Irv Gotti Explains Why Jay-Z Is Better Than Eminem
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let the hate begin.
anyone who puts em over jay is slippin anyway lol.
....they should asked him "where does Ja Rule rate in the hip hop game?"
Jay-Z is indeed a better artist than Eminem. That being said, Irv Gotti is a bonified idiot. His inability to articulate a point clearly is fucking pathetic, especially for a so-called "business man". He just comes of as unintelligent and ignorant. What does gunplay and intimidation have to do with anything? He put far too much emphasis on it. He did a piss poor job in presenting his case man.
c/s
no one is denying that. from a content stand point, em can get away with stuff that jay cannot.
Irv still salty because his label was ended by EM, 50 and others. He has not been the same after that. How is Ja Caddillac Tah, O, Black remember them?
i can agree to an extent but they have had different experiences so they are not gonna come out with the same kind of records. plus the "cliche" kind of thing to check for is the song "Renegades". dope fuckin classic beat with two great MCs and Eminem destroyed that fuckin track and Jay so again thats a slippery slope. also check "we all die someday" a straight mixtape beat an eminem crushed everyone on it. i think em is great enough to fit the situation. My name is... is his MO. just like corny club bangers for jay. Again Slippery slope. more like a matter of preference
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Your A fucking IDIOT
i agree i think em can get away with that shit cuz people know hes really fuckin nice on the mic. Same thing with REDMAN. he can be silly but you know what he can do.
Irv Gotti was just rambling and didn't even make one legitimate point in the whole 3 minutes. I swear the more and more this guy talks the more stupid he sounds. He has a great hustle which no one can take from him but he's a fucking idiot. I like how he clowned Eminem for the Hi, My name is track for it being basic but then cleverly forgets to bring up Jay's track like H to the Izzo V to the izz-A. Then he clowns Em cuz Em could rap a Jay song but Jay couldn't do vice versa. How the heck you gonna clown someone for being unique...what a fucking idiot. The fact that no other rapper can get away with an Em track except for Em shows that he's not another cookie cutter mothafucka that's ruin rap. I like Jay but he's not fucking with Eminem rap wise at all. Irv Gotti needs to go throw in that Renegade off Blueprint and listen closely.
"Eminem murdered you on your own shit"
em top 10more like somewhere in the top 50 and jay is probably top 20.
I am speaking on MY OWN LIST not yours.
He made some points but Irv is still bitter about the beef. I read a interview where he said Em wouldn't last in a battle with Jayz, DMX, or Ja-rule, are you really going to mention Ja in the same breath and I'm sure he would hold his against anyone. I'm tired of this argument, too many variables.
and I'm sure he would hold his against anyone. I'm tired of this argument, too many variables.
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[Jay-Z]
Motherf***ers -
say that I'm foolish I only talk about jewels
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
See I'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined
That same dude you gave nothin, I made somethin doin
what I do through and through and
I give you the news - with a twist it's just his ghetto point-of-view
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters, and they live with they moms
Got dropped roasters, from botched robberies niggaz crotched over
Mommy's knocked up cause she wasn't watched over
Knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
No he's not around - now how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that f***ed up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it?
I help them see they way through it - not you
Can't step in my pants, can't walk in my shoes
Bet everything you worth; you lose your tie and your shirt
[Eminem]
Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's the king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherf***in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You f***in do-good-less - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the
[Chorus: Eminem + Jay-Z]
[Em] RENEGADE! Never been afraid to say
what's on my mind at, any given time of day
Cause I'm a RENEGADE! Never been afraid to talk
about anything (ANYTHING) anything (ANYTHING), RENEGADE!
[Jay] Never been afraid to say
what's on my mind at, any given time of day
Cause I'm a {RENEGADE} Never been afraid to holler
about anything (anything) Anything (ANYTHING!)
[Jay-Z]
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin braver
Doo-rag wrappin my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
BIG I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight
[Eminem]
See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I'm wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a motherf***in spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - motherf***ers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I'm just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I'm a muh'f***in
[Jay-Z]
Motherf***ers -
say that I'm foolish I only talk about jewels
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
See I'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined
That same dude you gave nothin, I made somethin doin
what I do through and through and
I give you the news - with a twist it's just his ghetto point-of-view
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters, and they live with they moms
Got dropped roasters, from botched robberies niggaz crotched over
Mommy's knocked up cause she wasn't watched over
Knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
No he's not around - now how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that f***ed up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it?
I help them see they way through it - not you
Can't step in my pants, can't walk in my shoes
Bet everything you worth; you lose your tie and your shirt
[Eminem]
Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's the king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherf***in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You f***in do-good-less - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the
[Chorus: Eminem + Jay-Z]
[Em] RENEGADE! Never been afraid to say
what's on my mind at, any given time of day
Cause I'm a RENEGADE! Never been afraid to talk
about anything (ANYTHING) anything (ANYTHING), RENEGADE!
[Jay] Never been afraid to say
what's on my mind at, any given time of day
Cause I'm a {RENEGADE} Never been afraid to holler
about anything (anything) Anything (ANYTHING!)
[Jay-Z]
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin braver
Doo-rag wrappin my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
BIG I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight
[Eminem]
See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I'm wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a motherf***in spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - motherf***ers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I'm just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I'm a muh'f***in
well your list is wrong and off the wall I'm speaking what's real em ain't no top 10 rapper and jay is not top 5 no way no how.
Not hardly. EM understands his target market. He knows how to tap into that market that is not being served. Irv, Ja is that You. You can tell Irv has only seen the movie. He knows nothing Detroit hiphop. GTFOH Irv go find some new blood for your dead label.
Niggas Hate On Em But It Dont Matter Nobody Going To Fuck With Him. Jay Pussy Ass Got Ethered And Murdered (On His Own Shit) No Protejes Like Em (50). Jay Is A Biting Ass Dromedary Who Rode On Biggies Dick!!!!!! Niggas Mad A Whiteboy Came In And Took Over And They Cant Except It. I Love When These Niggas Talk About Street Shit Talking About DMX Wouldve Pulled Out A Gun............ That Is Some Bitch Ass Shit. Fuck Niggas!
Marshall Mathers LP was the only classic Eminem got..Jay got like 3 classics under his belt...no competition. Em aint really had no battles like Jay to really show how nice he is. His only comp was benzino..anybody could shit on benzino.
Church!
I liked Jay's part best. Never have been an em fan. He is corny and gimmicky!
He wouldn't have,he started out battling but even in Detroit he wasn't considered the best.
Irv is speaking from a pre-1998,internet,smack dvd's era where a rap battle where alot of todays rappers and battlers would get dismatled.
I would rather hear from someone who was actually there and knows and isn't bias than to hear someone's opinion about what they think would or wouldn't happen.
By your excessive use of the n word I take it you are white! 50 is not em's protege, D12 are!
lil wayne is on gimmicky GTHOH.
Give EM his due. No One will seem EM lyrically. I'm talking about a battle no autotune nonsense.
Kats mad EM stays winning. Detroit stand up. EM is not the only one Royce, Black Milk and others.
