Someone else who doesn't understand the difference between a scientific theory and layman's use of the term.
Creationist (Bible) Drones - GET YOUR ASSES IN HERE!!
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You still haven't said how Evolution has been proven. All you keep doing is repeating the same lines over and over again while adding more insults to make yourself feel superior. If you're not going to incorporate substance into your next post please do not respond.
You trot around here like you're the superior intellect but a true intellect would know better than to look at things as if they are Black and White. You think that if someone isn't sold on Evolution then they must be religious which isn't true. You say that there is something wrong with the way I think but I think that is very arrogant and a statement from someone who is book smart solely. You base your knowledge off of Western Theories and do not give credit to any other ideolgies because your arrogance will not allow you to. I'm not saying that I have all the answers I'm just disagreeing with Evolution.
Just because Evolution and I don't see eye to eye doesn't mean I'm wrong because Evolution is not the authority on anything.
lol, okay - actually you are being spoon fed your answers and you keep saying that we aren't answering you. you are fucked in the head. seriously. take that as an insult if you want but dude, you're a nutcase. you are contridicting yourself every other paragraph. seriously. lithium. it's for you
Again accusing me of doing something that you, yourself, do, and that is repeat the same things over and over.
I said I was done, but I want to ask you something. Have you ever read about the DNA evidence, and geneticism that shows that we evolved? That all of us came from Africa during a migration that dates back to about 80,000 years ago out of Africa (number based on paleoanthropology).
If you still don't accept that, what is your reason as to how a black person eventually became a white person? Just answer that one question for me and we'll go on from there.
Please answer that.
Creationists are arguing against the wrong theory. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, that's abiogenesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life
Evolution is a scientific theory that describes how an organism changes over time, giving rise to new species. Its not a new concept, Darwin's proposal is one of the latest iterations. The controversy is not so much about the concept itself, but the one radical thing that Darwin did, treat humans as any other animal. A lot of the theory is following some old Christian ideas considering lower and higher animals. But man was to be set apart.
And yes it has a shit load of evidence to support it and not only in the fossil record. If any one wants to challenge me on this, I'll get the evidence and show you that species formation has been observed and documented in butterflies in Hawaii.
Finally, Creationism is a worldview not a science. Sadly, many confuse science with Materialism, the world view opposed to Creationism. Neither can be proved or disproved.
Evolution is a scientific theory that describes how an organism changes over time, giving rise to new species. Its not a new concept, Darwin's proposal is one of the latest iterations. The controversy is not so much about the concept itself, but the one radical thing that Darwin did, treat humans as any other animal. A lot of the theory is following some old Christian ideas considering lower and higher animals. But man was to be set apart.
And yes it has a shit load of evidence to support it and not only in the fossil record. If any one wants to challenge me on this, I'll get the evidence and show you that species formation has been observed and documented in butterflies in Hawaii.
Finally, Creationism is a worldview not a science. Sadly, many confuse science with Materialism, the world view opposed to Creationism. Neither can be proved or disproved.
Evidence of Evolution
If anybody wants to read a good summary of it, here ya go: http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
Also, realize that this is just a summary. There is TONS of evidence, spanning over 4 different scientific disciplines, that prove evolution.
If anybody wants to read a good summary of it, here ya go: http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
Also, realize that this is just a summary. There is TONS of evidence, spanning over 4 different scientific disciplines, that prove evolution.
lol, okay - actually you are being spoon fed your answers and you keep saying that we aren't answering you. you are fucked in the head. seriously. take that as an insult if you want but dude, you're a nutcase. you are contridicting yourself every other paragraph. seriously. lithium. it's for you
Your routine is getting old you know that man? If you're not going to say anything of substance then don't say anything at all. Evolution is right and you're wrong isn't an acceptable and/or respectable answer to a discussion based on the Origin of Life.
I'ma quote myself:
"I don't believe that all organic life is an ascendant of a previous less complex version of itself"
I do however believe in Human Adaptation but I don't accept all of Evolution which I stated in the above quote. So in other words I believe that Species can adapt within their own species but not turn into a completely other Species. I'll admit...I was playing the Devil's Advocate earlier but I still don't agree completely with Evolution.
You are aware that evolution doesn't address the origin of life, right? You're confusing evolution with abiogenesis.
I just read up on it and I think that many Evolutionists have misrepresented it completely. Many speak as if Evolution incorporates Abiogenesis which is where I got that false notion from. Evolution just made a little bit more sense after reading it. Thanks for that!
I'ma quote myself:
"I don't believe that all organic life is an ascendant of a previous less complex version of itself"
I do however believe in Human Adaptation but I don't accept all of Evolution which I stated in the above quote. So in other words I believe that Species can adapt within their own species but not turn into a completely other Species. I'll admit...I was playing the Devil's Advocate earlier but I still don't agree completely with Evolution. [/QUOTE]
human adaptation? How about other species adapting, including plant species and the like? DO they adapt? Do they -- evolve? OR is this earth the same as it ever was?
Abiogenesis is a creation theory. Evolution is KIINDA what you described, but I would have to know more.
The only reason it butts heads with the religious creation myths, particularly Christianity, is because the bible doesn't account anywhere near properly for an accurate age of the earth, AND, it seems to state that man was created in the form that we are in RIGHT now. Evolution has disproven that long ago. Man, like many other species of plant and animal, has evolved to the point where we are now, and will continue to do so. It's as evident as gravity, which is also not a "theory" by the way. Try it out- jump off of a building.
"I don't believe that all organic life is an ascendant of a previous less complex version of itself"
I do however believe in Human Adaptation but I don't accept all of Evolution which I stated in the above quote. So in other words I believe that Species can adapt within their own species but not turn into a completely other Species. I'll admit...I was playing the Devil's Advocate earlier but I still don't agree completely with Evolution. [/QUOTE]
human adaptation? How about other species adapting, including plant species and the like? DO they adapt? Do they -- evolve? OR is this earth the same as it ever was?
Abiogenesis is a creation theory. Evolution is KIINDA what you described, but I would have to know more.
The only reason it butts heads with the religious creation myths, particularly Christianity, is because the bible doesn't account anywhere near properly for an accurate age of the earth, AND, it seems to state that man was created in the form that we are in RIGHT now. Evolution has disproven that long ago. Man, like many other species of plant and animal, has evolved to the point where we are now, and will continue to do so. It's as evident as gravity, which is also not a "theory" by the way. Try it out- jump off of a building.
The Theory of Evolution Made Easy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4
Theory: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4
Theory: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
Most people totally misunderstand evolution. It is pretty deep, and it aint as simple or weird as people make it.
I grew up thinking it was as simple as "we evolved from monkeys" -- not exactly, but we did evolve from a common ancestor. This is why they are around, and we are around, and also someone pointed out earlier, our genetic makeup is only a couple of percentages off from them. That ends up still being a huge difference in terms of mental capacity and other things. We ARE basically Apes, but whatever extra traits we have make all the difference in the world. It doesn't have to be a thing to be offended by.
At least you acknowledged that you have a new view of it, I've just begun to learn about it THIS YEAR.
I should have not said Human because ultimately I believe in the adaptation of all living beings. I don't think there is any other way to explain the wide variations witnessed in nature amongst beings of the same species. For instance, us Humans have so many different features that I think it would be somewhat ignorant to think that we haven't changed somewhat to suit our climate. But as I said before I do not believe that one species can change from one to another.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/videos/evol07_vid_fossilev.html
There is evidence of such things occurring.
As they say man...you learn something new every day. All I know is that no one better come up to me talking about Evolution is an Origin Science because I will school their asses. I'ma be like "First, learn the difference between Abiogenesis and Evolution then get back to me". Honestly, I think I can say that I believe in Evolution in a limited fashion as in Adaptation...but that's where I have to get off the bus.
well, I believe that's covered in Genetic drift. One thing to remember too is that the term "species" is a very loose term, just like the term "race"
There are rules to what can be termed a totally new "species". Something as simple as the question of can a cat mate with a dog- maybe,in a rare occurance but so much has to occure beyond the two of them just not being attracted to each other in that way as a species. Chromosone match ups, the female being able to actually carry the babies to term, etc. But in the rare occurance that they do, voila! new species.
Another thing is-- how can you say that, when Humans actually make new species all the time in agriculture, and in the animal world?
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If that was the case why is it not mentioned in the the any of the main religious texts. Surely that would be a vital piece of information to pass on ?
You would be incorrect in that assertion as you currently have the remains of a tail already. It's called the Coccyx
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before we can give you the answers we need to know what level of understanding you currently hold... so define "species"
You know what man you are really blowing my mind right now. I gotta sit and think on this for a minute because rambling off a quick response to this post would be a strike against my intellectual integrity. Thank you for your responses...it's really enlighting...you don't understand man!!!!
actually that's a bad example and would never really work in nature. the chances that a cat would successfully mate w/ a dog are as likely as a hole suddenly forming under your feet, sucking you down through the center of the earth and safely depositing you out on the other side of the planet
Creationist believe in the Bible's version that the earth was created in 7 days (24 hour day cycles) by some Abrahamic diety name Jehovah.
That's nonsense. But regardless of scientific proof, there's only one thing more powerful than scientific fact and that's human belief.
That's nonsense. But regardless of scientific proof, there's only one thing more powerful than scientific fact and that's human belief.
because all matter at its simplest form is atoms(protons and electrons) also known as energy.
therefor most animals will have similarities.
again if you think you are related to an ape good for you.
i think i'm far greater than an ape.and in no way am i a evolved monkey.
and that's ok- but remember you don't necessarily have to "get off the bus"
Facts in and of themselves, are not offensive. If you find something to be a fact, don't be offended, accept it.
Again, I have to use gravity as an example. I know that Jesus will not carry me across the sky, because gravity is a law, an important one. I don't get pissed at not having the ability to fly. I walk, or learn how to make things that can help me to defy that law when necessary. In my case, I maybe just get in an elevator. the world is no less wondrous and fly without me having wings. The laws of nature can be reworked when the principles ae understood. Thats where we have to be careful as humans not to overdo it. But we always do whether we claim to be religious, scientific, or both.
this is nonsense. There is proof that we evolved from a common ape ancestor. It had two children. One became the ancestor to chimps and other became the ancestor to homo sapiens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
no it isn't -
if i drop you head first into molten lava no amount of belief that you may survive the endeavor on your part is going to overcome the scientific fact that both gravity and the molten rock will ensure your death
I know-- that's what I said. And yet, stranger things have happened. Be careful using the word NEVER when it comes to nature. It's an extremely unlikely probability, and I have never heard of it happening.
Why even bother
because you EVOLVED from a similar ancestor. monkeys you see today are in their own right the latest adaptation in their own branch of the evolutionary tree - you dumb monkey
that has more to do with probabilty in physics but yes i agree it is not out of the realm of possiblity. just ASTRONOMICALLY improbable
because he means it in a derogatory way, which is why you are so much in denial about it. AND because anyone stupid enough to be racist, probably doesn't realize that they are just as much a monkey as I am.
Be clear, that small percentage difference between humans and monkeys is indeed special. No need to get all offended in this instance, no one is saying that a chimp can actually beat you in a game of scrabble or something.
No claim has been made about you evolving from a monkey.
That's not the claim evolution is making!!
Where do you think you came from?
because you EVOLVED from a similar ancestor. monkeys you see today are in their own right the latest adaptation in their own branch of the evolutionary tree - you dumb monkey
so then you are ok with a cracker callin you a monkey?
you must because you believe you come from one.
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