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Deuterion said:
I don't believe that all organic life is an ascendant of a previous less complex version of itself. Not only is there no concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, it's also next to impossible. The probability of evolving one molecule of iso 1 cytochrome c is one chance in 2.3 times ten billion vigintillion. Timewise, if a random mutation occured every second since the beginning of the Earth this molecule would only be only 40 or so percent close to completion. Keep in mind that this is one Molecule.
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:lol:

youre right...but thats the crux of the matter right there....

A. do you believe that just the right reactions happened at just the right moment...

or

B. you believe a Being somewhere created us out of thin-air

:confused:

i dont know what to believe

and i think we'll never really have an answer to this question
 
J Storm said:
Fossil Ida: extraordinary find is 'missing link' in human evolution

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Ida, one of the most complete primate fossils ever found, a 47-million-year-old human ancestor. Photograph: Atlantic Productions Ltd

Scientists have discovered an exquisitely preserved ancient primate fossil that they believe forms a crucial "missing link" between our own evolutionary
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/may/19/ida-fossil-missing-link
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KEY WORD
 
KunningLinguist said:
:lol:

youre right...but thats the crux of the matter right there....

A. do you believe that just the right reactions happened at just the right moment...

or

B. you believe a Being somewhere created us out of thin-air

:confused:

i dont know what to believe

and i think we'll never really have an answer to this question
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It's more like:

A. Do you believe nothing created us out of thin air.

-or-

B. Do you believe something created us out of thin air.
 
SamSneed said:
so do you believe that you are nothing more than an advanced ape?
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It's proven.

We share 98.4% DNA with chimpanzees; 30% DNA with pigs. We are all related to other species. We descended from an ape ancestor that had two children. One became the ancestor to chimps, and the other became the ancestor to homo sapiens.

What's your evidence that we aren't descended from apes?

And what is your problem with evolution?
 
If you believe you are nothing more than an animal then you will act like one.
:hmm:

You just looking for an excuse to act like cats and dogs.

Don't even blame it your behavior on animals, they have better sense than you.

You niggas is just weak. :hmm:
 
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Deuterion said:

Nope I'm not a Christian in the slightest use of the term. I don't believe in Christ, Jesus, The Trinity, and etc. I just feel that evolution makes as much sense as Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, and etc.
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Evolution means change over time. Humans started off black... now we have white humans. Change over time.

There is no excuse to deny evolution. Genetic mutation is real.
 
Deuterion said:

Nope I'm not a Christian in the slightest use of the term. I don't believe in Christ, Jesus, The Trinity, and etc. I just feel that evolution makes as much sense as Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, and etc.
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Be careful, because you are quoting christian sources. Also, simply because you can't wrap your head around a concept doesn't make it false. The concept may be flawed or your thinking may be flawed
 
Deuterion said:
Ether.



You sound like a Christian right now except instead of advocating for Jesus you're riding for Evolution.

There is no excuse to deny Jesus. God is real.

Does this look familiar?
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Not the same. The principles of evolution are tangible. God is intangible.
 
Deuterion said:
I don't believe that all organic life is an ascendant of a previous less complex version of itself. Not only is there no concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, it's also next to impossible. The probability of evolving one molecule of iso 1 cytochrome c is one chance in 2.3 times ten billion vigintillion. Timewise, if a random mutation occured every second since the beginning of the Earth this molecule would only be only 40 or so percent close to completion. Keep in mind that this is one Molecule.
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so you're basing this on the belief that evolution began w/ one molecule. that's the begining and the end of your theory? because that is completely unscientific since we know (at least in the way that oir current scientific module understands physics) that matter can neither be created nor destroyed but only changes form. do you realize how large science estimates the universe to be. how many galaxies are theorized to exist? your reasoning is the EXACT principle behind the saying that life is precious, but not necessarily unique although as we currently observe there are no other living life forms in our own solar system other than those observed terrestrially.
BAM! :yes:
 
Deuterion said:
Ether.



You sound like a Christian right now except instead of advocating for Jesus you're riding for Evolution.

There is no excuse to deny Jesus. God is real.

Does this look familiar?
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Bad argument.

Jesus is not a historical figure, only a theological one. You have to take that on faith, which is what religions are about.

Evolution is based on evidence. There are tangible things that we can see and know exist, or have existed, and we use that to understand our origin
 
Deuterion said:
The OP did not state his intentions in his original post so it's unclear as to what he is trying to say with this news piece. If you ask me, all I see is a fossil of an Animal that existed a long time ago and nothing more. I would understand the excitement if they found a fossil that was a Being right inbetween Man and Ape but this is nothing close. In addition, to consider this a missing link is to assume that Evolution is true which I feel isn't as do many others.
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I put BIBLE in the Heading. :hmm:
The Term Creationist has nothing to do with believing that "We" were Created. It has more to do with the Biblical Belief that the Story of Creation is the Bible is 100% Correct. Those who subscribe to that belief are known as "Creationist".

Creationist believe that the earth and the universe is 6,000 years old
Creationist believe that the earth is the center of the universe
Creationist believe that Humans were created from the dust of the earth on the "6th Day"
Creationist believe that Women were created from The Man's Rib.
Creationist do not believe in an esoteric Bible.
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All you see is a fossil of an Animal that existed a long time ago... How long ago? 6 Thousand years ago or over 40 Million Years ago?
 
so are we denying that evolution occurs? if that is the case my homie H1-N1 would like to have a word w/ you.
 
nyeleman said:
KEY WORD
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But the Application of that belief is not based on FAITH. It's based on OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION.

All FACTS being as THEORIES and all THEORIES begin as HYPOTHESIS. The Author could have said "Theorize" instead of "Believe". It's a link, no one said it was Absolute.

Only Religious People say their Un-Observable God is "Absolute" and that is Totally Illogical.
 
Deuterion said:
I don't believe that all organic life is an ascendant of a previous less complex version of itself. Not only is there no concrete evidence to substantiate this claim, it's also next to impossible. The probability of evolving one molecule of iso 1 cytochrome c is one chance in 2.3 times ten billion vigintillion. Timewise, if a random mutation occured every second since the beginning of the Earth this molecule would only be only 40 or so percent close to completion. Keep in mind that this is one Molecule.
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so what you are saying is that it's a very rare occurance that we have the existence that we are experiencing?


DUH


That's what makes it special. That whole diatribe of yours and how unlikely it is. Yet it happened-- or something along the lines of it, so we think, and we continue to see, is very likely, although not necessarily like that.


I'm interested to know what your theory is, if you have one, or do you just not really give a shit. The latter is perfectly fine with me, but I'm really interested to know where you actually stand on this, instead of where you don't stand. Makes the debate a little better.
 
pantha266 said:
Not the same. The principles of evolution are tangible. God is intangible.
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Evolution is nothing more than a theory and is just as intangible as a belief in a God. The only difference is that Evolution is more friendly to the Scientific Method which is why it's the more widely adopted and studied Origin Science among Scientists. The items that these Scientists use to substantiate the theory of Evolution are not exclusive to it and can also be used to as justification that God exists so there goes the tangibility.

Gods_Debris said:
so you're basing this on the belief that evolution began w/ one molecule. that's the begining and the end of your theory? because that is completely unscientific since we know (at least in the way that oir current scientific module understands physics) that matter can neither be created nor destroyed but only changes form. do you realize how large science estimates the universe to be. how many galaxies are theorized to exist? your reasoning is the EXACT principle behind the saying that life is precious, but not necessarily unique although as we currently observe there are no other living life forms in our own solar system other than those observed terrestrially.
BAM! :yes:
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Everything you said is just a theory/opinion just as the belief in God is. But like I said above...the theories/opinions you have stated are products of the scientific method therefore they are more easily studied and do not challenge the whole system. You see, when you bring God into the picture the Scientific Method goes out the window because it cannot account for the Spiritual. The Scientific Method is a product of man therefore things such as ego, control, politics, and money can stifle it's continued evolution.
 
Deuterion said:
Evolution is nothing more than a theory and is just as intangible as a belief in a God. The only difference is that Evolution is more friendly to the Scientific Method which is why it's the more widely adopted and studied Origin Science among Scientists. The items that these Scientists use to substantiate the theory of Evolution are not exclusive to it and can also be used to as justification that God exists so there goes the tangibility.



Everything you said is just a theory/opinion just as the belief in God is. But like I said above...the theories/opinions you have stated are products of the scientific method therefore they are more easily studied and do not challenge the whole system. You see, when you bring God into the picture the Scientific Method goes out the window because it cannot account for the Spiritual. The Scientific Method is a product of man therefore things such as ego, politics, and money can stifle it's continued evolution.
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PAUSE
you're going to need to take a stance because you are being too vague and avoiding a position so as to snipe @ scientific theory w/o having a real front to defend. what is your religious belief because it is CLEAR that you in fact DO have one since you bring up the "Spiritual" something which you alone have made mention. Science does not address the "Spiritual" because until evidence of it's existance is shown it is a non existant variable

you could just as easily substitute any religious diety into the same space because what you said contains just as much LOGIC (that is, none)

(it's becoming clearer that you don't really grasp the concepts presented by scientific theory though you are still arguing against them and that has nothing to do w/ whether or not you AGREE w/ those propositions - because you aren't presenting them correctly in your arguments against their validity)
 
Deuterion said:
Evolution is nothing more than a theory and is just as intangible as a belief in a God. The only difference is that Evolution is more friendly to the Scientific Method which is why it's the more widely adopted and studied Origin Science among Scientists. The items that these Scientists use to substantiate the theory of Evolution are not exclusive to it and can also be used to as justification that God exists so there goes the tangibility.



Everything you said is just a theory/opinion just as the belief in God is. But like I said above...the theories/opinions you have stated are products of the scientific method therefore they are more easily studied and do not challenge the whole system. You see, when you bring God into the picture the Scientific Method goes out the window because it cannot account for the Spiritual. The Scientific Method is a product of man therefore things such as ego, control, politics, and money can stifle it's continued evolution.
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How is it an opinion when it is proven and there's tangible evidence for it. You have to look up evolution again, it has been proven.

Just because you can't understand it the concept doesn't mean it's true. And it doesn't matter, either. The rest of us get it and that's good enough.
 
Deuterion said:
Evolution is nothing more than a theory and is just as intangible as a belief in a God. The only difference is that Evolution is more friendly to the Scientific Method which is why it's the more widely adopted and studied Origin Science among Scientists. The items that these Scientists use to substantiate the theory of Evolution are not exclusive to it and can also be used to as justification that God exists so there goes the tangibility.



Everything you said is just a theory/opinion just as the belief in God is. But like I said above...the theories/opinions you have stated are products of the scientific method therefore they are more easily studied and do not challenge the whole system. You see, when you bring God into the picture the Scientific Method goes out the window because it cannot account for the Spiritual. The Scientific Method is a product of man therefore things such as ego, control, politics, and money can stifle it's continued evolution.
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You are revealing the depth of your ignorance.

scientific theory To scientists, a theory provides a coherent explanation that holds true for a large number of facts and observations about the natural world. It has to be internally consistent, based upon evidence, tested against a wide range of phenomena and demonstrate problem solving.
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A theory is not the same as an opinion.
 
Deuterion, something has got to be wrong with you in order to the think the way you think. Or, you're playing a game with us. No one, except those who have a mental problem, can possibly think the way you think.
 
Gods_Debris said:
PAUSE
you're going to need to take a stance because you are being too vague and avoiding a position so as to snipe @ scientific theory w/o having a real front to defend.
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I did take a stance which is that Evolution (as it is currently) is not an acceptable solution to the question "Where did we come from?".

Gods_Debris said:
what is your religious belief because it is CLEAR that you in fact DO have one since you bring up the "Spiritual" something which you alone have made mention. Science does not address the "Spiritual" because until evidence of it's existance is shown it is a non existant variable
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I'm not religious and as a result have no religious belief but that is irrelevant to my overall point that Evolution is not the end all be all that people claim it is.

Gods_Debris said:
(it's becoming clearer that you don't really grasp the concepts presented by scientific theory though you are still arguing against them)
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Don't talk it, walk it.


Cristar Mymine said:
How is it an opinion when it is proven and there's tangible evidence for it. You have to look up evolution again, it has been proven.

Just because you can't understand it the concept doesn't mean it's true. And it doesn't matter, either. The rest of us get it and that's good enough.
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Evolution has not been proven not by a long shot. They haven't even found the "missing link" yet!
 
Well,

You have to realize the article is written for the public to read. Using words like "LINK" would make the avg person pick it up and read.

If you read the science article, the word "LINK" would probably be left out. You must realize that if evolution is true (and it is, BTW), all fossils are "Links". If everything has evolved (and it has), every single fossil is what the species was at that time.

What I'm sad to see is that so many people do not accept Evolution as established fact (which it is). It's been since the mid 1800's that the theory has come out, and no one has ever disproven it. At this stage, no one will ever disprove it, only improve the accuracy.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
 
Cristar Mymine said:
Deuterion, something has got to be wrong with you in order to the think the way you think. Or, you're playing a game with us. No one, except those who have a mental problem, can possibly think the way you think.
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What I find interesting is instead of actually explaining why I'm wrong you guys just choose to insult me, like Christians often do.
 
Deuterion said:
I did take a stance which is that Evolution (as it is currently) is not an acceptable solution to the question "Where did we come from?".



I'm not religious and as a result have no religious belief but that is irrelevant to my overall point that Evolution is not the end all be all that people claim it is.



Don't talk it, walk it.




Evolution has not been proven not by a long shot. They haven't even found the "missing link" yet!
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Now you're reduced to lying. I actually do think you're religious and don't want to admit it.

Well, evolution is proven, plus you don't know what the word theory means, and you still won't accept the facts. So what are your ideas? You have none. Science is the only we can objectively understand things that are true. There are no other truths than the scientific truths about our universe.
 
Deuterion said:
What I find interesting is instead of actually explaining why I'm wrong you guys just choose to insult me, like Christians often do.
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It's not an insult. Many people think the way you think because they were raised to think in such a way. Which means that something is wrong with the way you've been conditioned to think. You come off as someone who had a really strict religious upbringing and still exemplify those types of arguments, which is wierd, since you claim that you're not religious.
 
Deuterion said:
What I find interesting is instead of actually explaining why I'm wrong you guys just choose to insult me, like Christians often do.
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Cristar Mymine said:
It's not an insult. Many people think the way you think because they were raised to think in such a way. Which means that something is wrong with the way you've been conditioned to think. You come off as someone who had a really strict religious upbringing and still exemplify those types of arguments, which is wierd, since you claim that you're not religious.
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Deuterion, weren't you the one who started off calling people religious as an insult?

Hypocrite.

Anyways, I'm done. You don't need to be told why you're wrong, evolution disproves everything that you're thinking. The problem is that you won't accept it because something is preventing you from accepting the evidence that humans have uncovered.
 
Deuterion said:
I did take a stance which is that Evolution (as it is currently) is not an acceptable solution to the question "Where did we come from?".



I'm not religious and as a result have no religious belief but that is irrelevant to my overall point that Evolution is not the end all be all that people claim it is.



Don't talk it, walk it.




Evolution has not been proven not by a long shot. They haven't even found the "missing link" yet!
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You're not religious, yet you quote religious propaganda verbatim???

The crux of evolution is not based on a missing link. It seems at this point you are making an effort to deny proven theory. Either you're intellectually shallow or intellectually dishonest.
 
J Storm said:
But the Application of that belief is not based on FAITH. It's based on OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION.

All FACTS being as THEORIES and all THEORIES begin as HYPOTHESIS. The Author could have said "Theorize" instead of "Believe". It's a link, no one said it was Absolute.

Only Religious People say their Un-Observable God is "Absolute" and that is Totally Illogical.
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Experimentation thats yet to completed is just an assertion. Theorizing is like predicting a movie ending only ten minutes in which in my opinion is no different from faith. The unobservable God that leaves evidence is not illogical. If you walked into a house and found evidence that amounts to someone altering your house would you conceive that a person being there is illogical because you haven't seen them?

Cristar Mymine said:
Evolution means change over time. Humans started off black... now we have white humans. Change over time.

There is no excuse to deny evolution. Genetic mutation is real.
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When the bible talked about mutations that change skin colour to white like TZAARAT(commonly mistranlated as leporsy) do you know what scientists called that ? ..............an allegorical myth

When prophet isaiah called the earth round do you know what scientists called it not a few hundred years ago ...............flat
 
nyeleman said:
When prophet isaiah called the earth round do you know what scientists called it not a few hundred years ago ...............flat
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You do know the Christian church had people killed because they taught the earth was round??

And your definition of what a theory is, is completely wrong. There is a difference between a Hypothesis and a Theory.

Evolution has been proven, over and over and over again.

God has NOT been proven, over and over and over again.
 

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