Why Republican????

[Andeyhollawho]

I'm new to this side of the board so if I'm off base on this or it's been covered before please point me in the right direction...

I don't get republicans. Seriously. I try to stay informed on both sides of the field when it comes to politics so for every couple of Keith Olberman's or Colbert Report's I'll watch I'll try to sneak in a O'Reilly or something like that. Just to see the other side and see how they react. I ended up watching a Glen Beck show one time because Olberman dogs him all the time and I was like the whole show.

So maybe I don't get it. What IS the major problem with Democrats from the Republican side.

I thought the point was to serve the people. I see shit that I think would be universally frowned upon (like torture) and universally smilled upon (like healthcare) and the Repubs are like fuck that on both issues.

What am I missing?

 

[actinanass]

I'm new to this side of the board so if I'm off base on this or it's been covered before please point me in the right direction...

I don't get republicans. Seriously. I try to stay informed on both sides of the field when it comes to politics so for every couple of Keith Olberman's or Colbert Report's I'll watch I'll try to sneak in a O'Reilly or something like that. Just to see the other side and see how they react. I ended up watching a Glen Beck show one time because Olberman dogs him all the time and I was like the whole show.

So maybe I don't get it. What IS the major problem with Democrats from the Republican side.

I thought the point was to serve the people. I see shit that I think would be universally frowned upon (like torture) and universally smilled upon (like healthcare) and the Repubs are like fuck that on both issues.

What am I missing?

This what you do Andey.

Go to a hood, look around. Then, go to a well known wealthy neighborhood, and look around. Ask yourself "why both of these neighborhoods look differently?" Then, go back to the HOOD, and ask someone why they are living this way? After you get your answer, go to the wealthy neighborhood, and ask the same thing.

After you done all of this, go look at each policies with a clear head. Look at how jobs are created. Go back, and read how this country became an economic power. Mix in the fact both sides have distinct flaws, and you would see why Republicans do what they do.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

This what you do Andey.

Go to a hood, look around. Then, go to a well known wealthy neighborhood, and look around. Ask yourself "why both of these neighborhoods look differently?" Then, go back to the HOOD, and ask someone why they are living this way? After you get your answer, go to the wealthy neighborhood, and ask the same thing.

After you done all of this, go look at each policies with a clear head. Look at how jobs are created. Go back, and read how this country became an economic power. Mix in the fact both sides have distinct flaws, and you would see why Republicans do what they do.

So Republicans think people in the hood don't work and therefore they deserve to live fucked up?

I mean if you are at least middle class then you have a chance in life to be that or more. I don't know many middle class kids who would choose to be ghetto dwellers when they grow up.

But what choice does the kid in the ghetto have?

The Repubs in my opinion are like fuck 'em if they don't want to work hard to come up but this is being said by people who don't have to work as hard and have better shit to work with.

That's my Dem vs. Rep break down.

 

[actinanass]

So Republicans think people in the hood don't work and therefore they deserve to live fucked up?

I mean if you are at least middle class then you have a chance in life to be that or more. I don't know many middle class kids who would choose to be ghetto dwellers when they grow up.

But what choice does the kid in the ghetto have?

The Repubs in my opinion are like fuck 'em if they don't want to work hard to come up but this is being said by people who don't have to work as hard and have better shit to work with.

That's my Dem vs. Rep break down.

I get what you say, and sadly it's true on the most part. However, we, as black people, need to understand that both parties are about making this country better in their views. Republicans happen to believe in keeping a strong military, strong borders, lower taxes for the job creating class, and making more opportunities for more people. The problem comes from a party that would tell as many people what they wanna hear. Its easy for us to think republicans are greedy, inconsiderate, bastards. How dare they tell US that we need to work harder? Its easier to make excuses about why we are like this, than actually acting to change our current situation. This is why you feel this way. We all been programmed to believe that anyone right of JFK is against you.

 

[AristotlesOwn]

I get what you say, and sadly it's true on the most part. However, we, as black people, need to understand that both parties are about making this country better in their views. Republicans happen to believe in keeping a strong military, strong borders, lower taxes for the job creating class, and making more opportunities for more people. The problem comes from a party that would tell as many people what they wanna hear. Its easy for us to think republicans are greedy, inconsiderate, bastards. How dare they tell US that we need to work harder? Its easier to make excuses about why we are like this, than actually acting to change our current situation. This is why you feel this way. We all been programmed to believe that anyone right of JFK is against you.

At the very least, give him an objective view of both sides. You were doing well until you started talking about dems. I'm all for promoting the party that best represents me, but he said he was new to this side of the board. Cover the pros and cons of both sides.

 

[BigUnc]

Basically Republicans believe that the individual is responsible for his own life. I say his life because men are the focus in republicanism. They would call it traditional values but it's merely a male dominated society. In that society the Federal government would have a very limited role in the daily lives of the people. They believe the States are where most decisions should be made regarding the daily interaction of the public. An example would be abortion. True Republicans would have each State decide the issue for themselves with the possibility of having 50 different laws concerning abortion or any other social issue. Economically they believe in low taxation,minimum if any regulation and they slant heavily in favor of owners over workers. They believe the individual is best able to determine what to do with their money. This would extend to helping people less fortunate. Republicans believe Church's and the charity of individual should be the main force in helping the poor.


Hope I repped Republicans ideas well, though it's impossible to convey their entire philosophy on a message board. It'll take time to figure them out. You may even agree with certain aspects of it. Other ideas of theirs will probably make you wanna hit them over the head with something heavy. I would suggest trying to digest Republicanism in small bites.

 

[Gunner]

This what you do Andey.

Go to a hood, look around. Then, go to a well known wealthy neighborhood, and look around. Ask yourself "why both of these neighborhoods look differently?" Then, go back to the HOOD, and ask someone why they are living this way? After you get your answer, go to the wealthy neighborhood, and ask the same thing.

After you done all of this, go look at each policies with a clear head. Look at how jobs are created. Go back, and read how this country became an economic power. Mix in the fact both sides have distinct flaws, and you would see why Republicans do what they do.

Great answer. I use to be a democrat up until i was about 35. What assisted me was listening to both sides and then I made a logical decision. I became a conservative. Republicans and Democrats are basically the same. But, when you think about it both parties are fighting for power. I really got fed up with democrats not being accountable to the community and when their feet was held to the fired the blamed the republicans. Think about it, In most big cities everything is ran by democrats. Where is this Utopia????? When you hold their feet to the fire they blame the republicans who live in the suburbs with better schools and lower crime rates. Also, do a little research of your own. Numbers and facts matter to me not bullshit. Democrats thrive on the black community being ignorant and not involved in politics.

 

[Lamarr]

Be Independent! Unc, Gunner, actinanass give great analysis of the 'traditional' principles of Repubs but this current crop of people assembled in DC disappoint me to the threshhold of disguist.

Watching Dems & Repubs debate the issues is like watching the WWE. I'd say 70% of Congress is an agent for Wall Street. Throughout history, we see how bankers finance both sides of many Wars to make money off the interest they collect. Apply that same logic to a 2-party political system!

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws - Mayer Rothschild

Research the Federal Reserve and check out www.themoneymasters.com

 

[thoughtone]

This what you do Andey.

Go to a hood, look around. Then, go to a well known wealthy neighborhood, and look around. Ask yourself "why both of these neighborhoods look differently?" Then, go back to the HOOD, and ask someone why they are living this way? After you get your answer, go to the wealthy neighborhood, and ask the same thing.

After you done all of this, go look at each policies with a clear head. Look at how jobs are created. Go back, and read how this country became an economic power. Mix in the fact both sides have distinct flaws, and you would see why Republicans do what they do.

I have better idea. Go to Dayton, Ohio, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Racine, Wisconsin, Rochester, New York, just to name a few. Were these cities run down by laziness and crime? Maybe it was corporatist/republican policies that sent good jobs and greed away from them. The race card is the new talking point given to the negro cons, evidently.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

Thanks for the feedback everybody. I guess I got one big issue with the Republican way of thinking and that is that this shit don't seem to be working.

I mean it works as long as the rich are making money hand over fist. But once they start to lose money the republican way seems to get thrown out of the window. That whole trickle down thing stops. I mean if I'm Wal-mart and I can throw up a new store and make money hand over fist then the republican way is winning. But have you seen what happens to a community when Wal-mart pulls out? Rich people want to stay rich and if they start being "less rich" they are going to hold on to their money. I know I would. So really you are expecting the rich to take care of the poor in this situation buy why would they give away money? If it makes them nothing?

Not trying to bash the Republicans by the way but from the descriptions ya'll just gave this "cycle" of get rich or die holding is acceptable. I don't agree with paying for people who just don't want to work but this shit breeds people who don't know anything better to do than look for handouts. You are either rich or you are not in this case.

 

[thoughtone]

Thanks for the feedback everybody. I guess I got one big issue with the Republican way of thinking and that is that this shit don't seem to be working.

I mean it works as long as the rich are making money hand over fist. But once they start to lose money the republican way seems to get thrown out of the window. That whole trickle down thing stops. I mean if I'm Wal-mart and I can throw up a new store and make money hand over fist then the republican way is winning. But have you seen what happens to a community when Wal-mart pulls out? Rich people want to stay rich and if they start being "less rich" they are going to hold on to their money. I know I would. So really you are expecting the rich to take care of the poor in this situation buy why would they give away money? If it makes them nothing?

Not trying to bash the Republicans by the way but from the descriptions ya'll just gave this "cycle" of get rich or die holding is acceptable. I don't agree with paying for people who just don't want to work but this shit breeds people who don't know anything better to do than look for handouts. You are either rich or you are not in this case.

Bottom line is that republicans are big business friendly. They are not small, local business friendly. How many local business were wiped out by the Wal Marting and Home Depoting of America.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

Bottom line is that republicans are big business friendly. They are not small, local business friendly. How many local business were wiped out by the Wal Marting and Home Depoting of America.

I will say this though. I am sort of cool with the Wal-Mart thing. I know that they kill small business but they also bring the price point down on a lot of items people need. I know if I go to Wal-mart I am getting a competitive price. At a mom and pop store with no comp they are likely to sell you anything for any price. I think it keeps the comp honest but if I were a small business owner I'd hate their guts because I don't have their purchasing power. So it's a toss up for me on that one.

 

[thoughtone]

I will say this though. I am sort of cool with the Wal-Mart thing. I know that they kill small business but they also bring the price point down on a lot of items people need. I know if I go to Wal-mart I am getting a competitive price. At a mom and pop store with no comp they are likely to sell you anything for any price. I think it keeps the comp honest but if I were a small business owner I'd hate their guts because I don't have their purchasing power. So it's a toss up for me on that one.

So goes the dilemma. Lower costs at the expense of worker pay. When you pay your help less, they have less money to buy other things when they go to the stores. And on and on until, a bottom is hit. We are approaching the bottom.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

So goes the dilemma. Lower costs at the expense of worker pay. When you pay your help less, they have less money to buy other things when they go to the stores. And on and on until, a bottom is hit. We are approaching the bottom.

I agree. That's why I hate and don't understand Wal-mart. I understand it's an operations thing but I know Wal-mart can pull down millions in overhead every month at even the smallest of locations. Why not pay your damn people man. How much money do you really need?

I guess that's really unrepublican to say that though right!

 

[thoughtone]

I agree. That's why I hate and don't understand Wal-mart. I understand it's an operations thing but I know Wal-mart can pull down millions in overhead every month at even the smallest of locations. Why not pay your damn people man. How much money do you really need?

I guess that's really unrepublican to say that though right!

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[VegasGuy]

This what you do Andey.

Go to a hood, look around. Then, go to a well known wealthy neighborhood, and look around. Ask yourself "why both of these neighborhoods look differently?" Then, go back to the HOOD, and ask someone why they are living this way? After you get your answer, go to the wealthy neighborhood, and ask the same thing.

After you done all of this, go look at each policies with a clear head. Look at how jobs are created. Go back, and read how this country became an economic power. Mix in the fact both sides have distinct flaws, and you would see why Republicans do what they do.

Then run into Iraq and look at those neighborhoods and ask them the same questions. Then slide by France and ask them. Drop into Venezuela and make an inquiry or two. See it's much easier to set up a straw man when you determine where the information comes from. It's when you go in blind is where you get your truest results.

Even the language they use about people shows the level of disrespect and contempt they have for the families that live there. "HOOD vs. Neighborhood". You see where they are? When hood is just an abbreviation for the same but the connotation is, them n words vs good white people. Ask those in the hood why republican. But he didn't ask you to do that did he?

When you have no investment in the people, such is the case in places like the 9th ward of New Orleans, many places in Detroit, MI or any other older city, the people perish. Head into any town in any democrat or republican district where investment happens, home ownership and respect for community flourishes. Is it because of party? Fuck to the No. It's to do with a feeling of being connected to something other than things. With investment in people, people have a chance to be invested in each other, schools grow, churches stay full and crime drops.

During Clinton, investment was made in people and the people flourished and crime dropped. That capital gains tax cut went directly to THE PEOPLE. People were able to sell their homes, take the profits from that and spend it. That spending created thousands of jobs and raising the standard of living for everybody. No it wasn't great for everybody but it was good for a lot of people.

Enter George W. Bush.

Stole the office from Gore. I did not used to think so but I've since wised up.

Republicans came in, looked at the surplus and huddled up to find a way to milk the country for everything it had via the military industrial complex. Sent our deficits into fuckin' orbit, bought off a few judges, re-wrote laws financed a news organization called Fox which if you don't know ain't news at all, and proceeded to waterboard some dude 183 times in a month in order to enter the sovereign nation of Iraq for the sole purpose of looting their oil fields. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, woman and children without so much as batting a got damn eye. Lets ask those families Why Republican.

We lost two financial buildings and who knows how many financial entities in NY a few thousand deaths and thousands of families forever fucked up while republicans were busy planning the worse watergate in world history.

Eavesdropping on Americans claiming they wanted to watch for terrorists but in reality the hope is to see who would dare speak against their plans so they could either put a stop to is, or filter some new bullshit their their communications wing called Fox. It is the primary reason we are told not to speak to leaders of foreign countries fearing they might be found out too early. But what is their response? Mustard on a hamburger and a got damn tea bag. And these are supposed to be adult republicans making these kinds of noises.

So go be a member of this gang of thugs if you can find an excuse to be there. Michael Steel is too stupid to figure it out but of course coons tend to be myopic.

Fuck that party for what it did to the American family. I don't care what you say about me about what I said here because this ain't about me. It is about my family and my community. Republicans still have no clue of the impact of the mess their interest in party did to the nation. Mustard. Muther fuck the republican brand. Ghosts of the Whig party.

-VG

 

[Lamarr]

Bottom line is that republicans are big business friendly. They are not small, local business friendly. How many local business were wiped out by the Wal Marting and Home Depoting of America.

Get your boots cause the BS is getting thick

1) Hillary Clinton sat on the Board of Directors at Wal-Mart and remained silent in the face of anti-union talk. If she wasn't part of the solution, she's part of the problem!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4218509

In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

2) Anybody ever question the lawmakers who are profiting from this BS War on Terror?

http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=151

While Democrats are more likely to advocate for ending the Iraq war sooner than Republicans, as a group they have more of their own money invested in America's military efforts. In 2006 Democrats had at least $3.7 million invested in the defense sector alone, compared to Republicans' $577,500. More Republicans, however, held stock in defense companies in 2006—28 of them, compared to 19 Democrats.

 

[actinanass]

So goes the dilemma. Lower costs at the expense of worker pay. When you pay your help less, they have less money to buy other things when they go to the stores. And on and on until, a bottom is hit. We are approaching the bottom.

Thought, have it ever occur to you that your line of thinking are the views of FAILED governments around the world. It seems that you get off on being mad at the world, instead of living your life. Would you rather EVERYONE believe in YOUR views because you think you are right?

Do you believe that you are responsible for YOUR life? If so, do you believe in making your life the best it can be NO MATTER of the situation?

I'm asking this because it seems that you are making your living off of whining.

 

[actinanass]

Then run into Iraq and look at those neighborhoods and ask them the same questions. Then slide by France and ask them. Drop into Venezuela and make an inquiry or two. See it's much easier to set up a straw man when you determine where the information comes from. It's when you go in blind is where you get your truest results.

Even the language they use about people shows the level of disrespect and contempt they have for the families that live there. "HOOD vs. Neighborhood". You see where they are? When hood is just an abbreviation for the same but the connotation is, them n words vs good white people. Ask those in the hood why republican. But he didn't ask you to do that did he?

When you have no investment in the people, such is the case in places like the 9th ward of New Orleans, many places in Detroit, MI or any other older city, the people perish. Head into any town in any democrat or republican district where investment happens, home ownership and respect for community flourishes. Is it because of party? Fuck to the No. It's to do with a feeling of being connected to something other than things. With investment in people, people have a chance to be invested in each other, schools grow, churches stay full and crime drops.

During Clinton, investment was made in people and the people flourished and crime dropped. That capital gains tax cut went directly to THE PEOPLE. People were able to sell their homes, take the profits from that and spend it. That spending created thousands of jobs and raising the standard of living for everybody. No it wasn't great for everybody but it was good for a lot of people.

Enter George W. Bush.

Stole the office from Gore. I did not used to think so but I've since wised up.

Republicans came in, looked at the surplus and huddled up to find a way to milk the country for everything it had via the military industrial complex. Sent our deficits into fuckin' orbit, bought off a few judges, re-wrote laws financed a news organization called Fox which if you don't know ain't news at all, and proceeded to waterboard some dude 183 times in a month in order to enter the sovereign nation of Iraq for the sole purpose of looting their oil fields. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, woman and children without so much as batting a got damn eye. Lets ask those families Why Republican.

We lost two financial buildings and who knows how many financial entities in NY a few thousand deaths and thousands of families forever fucked up while republicans were busy planning the worse watergate in world history.

Eavesdropping on Americans claiming they wanted to watch for terrorists but in reality the hope is to see who would dare speak against their plans so they could either put a stop to is, or filter some new bullshit their their communications wing called Fox. It is the primary reason we are told not to speak to leaders of foreign countries fearing they might be found out too early. But what is their response? Mustard on a hamburger and a got damn tea bag. And these are supposed to be adult republicans making these kinds of noises.

So go be a member of this gang of thugs if you can find an excuse to be there. Michael Steel is too stupid to figure it out but of course coons tend to be myopic.

Fuck that party for what it did to the American family. I don't care what you say about me about what I said here because this ain't about me. It is about my family and my community. Republicans still have no clue of the impact of the mess their interest in party did to the nation. Mustard. Muther fuck the republican brand. Ghosts of the Whig party.

-VG

see this is what happens when I speak on some real shit. There's always someone trying to change the subject.

I'm not trying to change anyone views on anything. However, I find it funny that many people wanna basically try to shut down any other types of views that do not coincide with theirs. To me, its rather weak minded, but that's my opinion.

 

[thoughtone]

Then run into Iraq and look at those neighborhoods and ask them the same questions. Then slide by France and ask them. Drop into Venezuela and make an inquiry or two. See it's much easier to set up a straw man when you determine where the information comes from. It's when you go in blind is where you get your truest results.

Even the language they use about people shows the level of disrespect and contempt they have for the families that live there. "HOOD vs. Neighborhood". You see where they are? When hood is just an abbreviation for the same but the connotation is, them n words vs good white people. Ask those in the hood why republican. But he didn't ask you to do that did he?

When you have no investment in the people, such is the case in places like the 9th ward of New Orleans, many places in Detroit, MI or any other older city, the people perish. Head into any town in any democrat or republican district where investment happens, home ownership and respect for community flourishes. Is it because of party? Fuck to the No. It's to do with a feeling of being connected to something other than things. With investment in people, people have a chance to be invested in each other, schools grow, churches stay full and crime drops.

During Clinton, investment was made in people and the people flourished and crime dropped. That capital gains tax cut went directly to THE PEOPLE. People were able to sell their homes, take the profits from that and spend it. That spending created thousands of jobs and raising the standard of living for everybody. No it wasn't great for everybody but it was good for a lot of people.

Enter George W. Bush.

Stole the office from Gore. I did not used to think so but I've since wised up.

Republicans came in, looked at the surplus and huddled up to find a way to milk the country for everything it had via the military industrial complex. Sent our deficits into fuckin' orbit, bought off a few judges, re-wrote laws financed a news organization called Fox which if you don't know ain't news at all, and proceeded to waterboard some dude 183 times in a month in order to enter the sovereign nation of Iraq for the sole purpose of looting their oil fields. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, woman and children without so much as batting a got damn eye. Lets ask those families Why Republican.

We lost two financial buildings and who knows how many financial entities in NY a few thousand deaths and thousands of families forever fucked up while republicans were busy planning the worse watergate in world history.

Eavesdropping on Americans claiming they wanted to watch for terrorists but in reality the hope is to see who would dare speak against their plans so they could either put a stop to is, or filter some new bullshit their their communications wing called Fox. It is the primary reason we are told not to speak to leaders of foreign countries fearing they might be found out too early. But what is their response? Mustard on a hamburger and a got damn tea bag. And these are supposed to be adult republicans making these kinds of noises.

So go be a member of this gang of thugs if you can find an excuse to be there. Michael Steel is too stupid to figure it out but of course coons tend to be myopic.

Fuck that party for what it did to the American family. I don't care what you say about me about what I said here because this ain't about me. It is about my family and my community. Republicans still have no clue of the impact of the mess their interest in party did to the nation. Mustard. Muther fuck the republican brand. Ghosts of the Whig party.

-VG

Mr. VegasGuy, You and are beginning to see things in the same light.

 

[thoughtone]

Get your boots cause the BS is getting thick

1) Hillary Clinton sat on the Board of Directors at Wal-Mart and remained silent in the face of anti-union talk. If she wasn't part of the solution, she's part of the problem!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4218509

In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

2) Anybody ever question the lawmakers who are profiting from this BS War on Terror?

http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=151

While Democrats are more likely to advocate for ending the Iraq war sooner than Republicans, as a group they have more of their own money invested in America's military efforts. In 2006 Democrats had at least $3.7 million invested in the defense sector alone, compared to Republicans' $577,500. More Republicans, however, held stock in defense companies in 2006—28 of them, compared to 19 Democrats.

You get no argument from me on the so called conservative/moderate democrats. And I agree that the Clintons are among the ring leaders. Just check my most posts on the republicrats that derailed the recent mortgage restructuring bill just to name one. But there is no way I can have any part of today’s Republican Party. Their racism is blatant.

 

[thoughtone]

Thought, have it ever occur to you that your line of thinking are the views of FAILED governments around the world. It seems that you get off on being mad at the world, instead of living your life. Would you rather EVERYONE believe in YOUR views because you think you are right?

Do you believe that you are responsible for YOUR life? If so, do you believe in making your life the best it can be NO MATTER of the situation?

I'm asking this because it seems that you are making your living off of whining.

Shut the fuck up with that right wing patronizing rhetoric. I’m a grown man. I’ve been taking care of myself since I was 19 years old. I have worked for some of biggest corporations in the world. But first I am a BLACK man. I don’t care what message a political party is spewing. If the don’t respect me as a BLACK man and a person of African descent, I don’t care what they have done for you. Republicans don’t have a monopoly on morals. If they did, they wouldn’t put corporate profits over community. I’m from the north east. I don’t know how Black folk in Texas have been inculcated to deal with whites, but when I grew up, we use to laugh at the way white kids disrespected their elders. You had better get back in touch with (if you were ever in touch) with the experience of Blacks people. From reading your posts over the months, your grasp of history is laughable. Conservatives use to blame the incompetence of Black folk for their plight. Now the economy is blowing up all around them and whites are hurting too and you can’t blame that on lazy Black folk. But you’re too blind to see that. I guess in Texas, you think you can build a wall around yourself, but the world will still coming chasing after you!

 

[VegasGuy]

see this is what happens when I speak on some real shit. There's always someone trying to change the subject.

I'm not trying to change anyone views on anything. However, I find it funny that many people wanna basically try to shut down any other types of views that do not coincide with theirs. To me, its rather weak minded, but that's my opinion.

Weak minded? And I guess Mustard and teabaggin' is on some real shit. GTFOH with that rush limbaugh analogy bullshit. It's that same argument white folks use to justify belittling those families in those neighborhoods. "They want to be poor," "they love handouts," "they are too stupid to get out." The most recent from the leader of the republican party, Limbaugh, "what recession? just don't participate in it." Well son, the hood is where I began and I got the fuck out just like a lot of us did. No help from republicans either. They talk like they are all about the bootstrap but the moment you ask them for help it's "kiss my ass that's socialism."

-VG

 

[Andeyhollawho]

See this is what it always boils down to for me on this subject. Democrats come in with points and Republicans come in and defend themselves against those points. I mean WE as (I'm assuming) middle to lower class people will always come up with points that are relevant to everybody on our level but republicans in the same boat never really have any?

The question is why republican? What is to be gained from it. Seriously again I'm not bashing but I was born in 1980 and lived the first 12 years of my life under the Reagan/Bush Administration. I grew up in the "hood" with both parents working. Hell my great grandmother had two jobs until she had a stroke at 72. 72!!! And we never had shit. Not until Clinton was in office. Then things eased up. I didn't vote until Bush's second term because at 24 after 4 years of Bush I looked around and saw my life fucked up all over again.

But there are plenty of working class people who are republican. There must be some points that ya'll can give me as to why. I just gave the reason why I became a democrat and most of the points brought up in here coincide with my own. Please help to give another side.

 

[oh snap]

I'm new to this side of the board so if I'm off base on this or it's been covered before please point me in the right direction...

I don't get republicans. Seriously. I try to stay informed on both sides of the field when it comes to politics so for every couple of Keith Olberman's or Colbert Report's I'll watch I'll try to sneak in a O'Reilly or something like that. Just to see the other side and see how they react. I ended up watching a Glen Beck show one time because Olberman dogs him all the time and I was like the whole show.

So maybe I don't get it. What IS the major problem with Democrats from the Republican side.

I thought the point was to serve the people. I see shit that I think would be universally frowned upon (like torture) and universally smilled upon (like healthcare) and the Repubs are like fuck that on both issues.

What am I missing?

Colbert is satire.

 

[Lamarr]

The question is why republican? What is to be gained from it. Seriously again I'm not bashing but I was born in 1980 and lived the first 12 years of my life under the Reagan/Bush Administration. I grew up in the "hood" with both parents working. Hell my great grandmother had two jobs until she had a stroke at 72. 72!!! And we never had shit. Not until Clinton was in office. Then things eased up. I didn't vote until Bush's second term because at 24 after 4 years of Bush I looked around and saw my life fucked up all over again.

The Clinton years could be summed up like this: Military spending was low which was a plus. There was still a foundation to our manufacturing base. And Greenspan started tinkering with the interest rates (expanded the money supply) Greenspan later uttered the phrase "irrational exuberance" to explain the market. We now know it was the "NASDAQ bubble". After that Bush seamlessly led us into the "Housing bubble". In economics, we understand that after every inflationary boom, there is a deflationary bust. Bush tried to keep the "bubble" going a little longer, now Obama wants to re-inflate the "bubble" by getting people spending again

Getting back to Clinton, agreements like NAFTA and the repeal of the Glass / Steagall Act laid the foundation for what we see today. It just took a little time. Couple all this with 2 Wars where we cannot define the enemy, the US will be a banana republic in short order. I worked at one of the Big 3 (mgmt & labor), NAFTA has destroyed manufacturing! say thanks Mr. Clinton

Trust neither party, look to a third party that will examine monetary policy, take the proper actions to eliminate excessive spending, and protect our civil liberties under the Bill of Rights! Seriously, watch this clip & you will understand why this guy should never be trusted again, ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1tHV_fztR4

 

[thoughtone]

The Clinton years could be summed up like this: Military spending was low which was a plus. There was still a foundation to our manufacturing base. And Greenspan started tinkering with the interest rates (expanded the money supply) Greenspan later uttered the phrase "irrational exuberance" to explain the market. We now know it was the "NASDAQ bubble". After that Bush seamlessly led us into the "Housing bubble". In economics, we understand that after every inflationary boom, there is a deflationary bust. Bush tried to keep the "bubble" going a little longer, now Obama wants to re-inflate the "bubble" by getting people spending again

Getting back to Clinton, agreements like NAFTA and the repeal of the Glass / Steagall Act laid the foundation for what we see today. It just took a little time. Couple all this with 2 Wars where we cannot define the enemy, the US will be a banana republic in short order. I worked at one of the Big 3 (mgmt & labor), NAFTA has destroyed manufacturing! say thanks Mr. Clinton

Trust neither party, look to a third party that will examine monetary policy and take the proper actions to eliminate excessive spending! Seriously, watch this clip & you will understand why this guy should never be trusted again, ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1tHV_fztR4

You should never trust anyone much less a political party in the first place to do anything for you on faith. This idea of voting for someone and then expect them to do your bidding is absurd. Those with money and power use their money and power to work for them. The lack of Civics or when I was coming up Social Studies schooling in schools these days is appalling. Along with other things, we have at least 2 generations of a lazy, uninterested and uninvolved populous unable to understand how their government functions much less how to get involved. How many people go to their local republican or democratic campaign meetings? Do you know where they are held? Do you know who your state or federal representatives are? This last presidential election posted one of highest voter rates in recent memory but was still only about 60% of the eligible voters, lower than the peak of the early and mid 1960s. Do you think the political awareness of the 1960s generations had anything to do with this? Candidates are chosen at the local levels. Find your local party headquarters, attend them. Raise issues. Get your friends to canvas for them. I know, I know, you don’t have the time, you’re too busy, they’re all the same, la-de-da! Democracy is a participation sport. And the best athletes are the youth. Let’s debate this.

 

[BigUnc]

From what I've seen in people is their political philosophy mirrors their economic and social status. The higher up they get the more likely they will move in the direction of supporting republican ideals. Not to say they become republican but once people "make it out the hood" they want to keep more income for themselves and give less to the government. needless to say when in the hood they were hollering to tax those richer than me SOB's cause we/I need help. Just my own observations nothing scientific.

 

[thoughtone]

From what I've seen in people is their political philosophy mirrors their economic and social status. The higher up they get the more likely they will move in the direction of supporting republican ideals. Not to say they become republican but once people "make it out the hood" they want to keep more income for themselves and give less to the government. needless to say when in the hood they were hollering to tax those richer than me SOB's cause we/I need help. Just my own observations nothing scientific.

Using your logic, there must be a majority of people who are not moving up.


Top 2 Wealthies majority Black counties in the US are overwhelmingly Democratic.

Prince Georges MD
DeKalb GA

Your argument holds no water.

 

[BigUnc]

Using your logic, there must be a majority of people who are not moving up.


Top 2 Wealthies majority Black counties in the US are overwhelmingly Democratic.

Prince Georges MD
DeKalb GA

Your argument holds no water.

Didn't say there was any logic to it. This sentence should have been your clue.


Just my own observations,nothing scientific.


Pretty self explanatory wouldn't you say. Or are my own observations of people over the last 30 yrs. meaningless?

 

[BigUnc]

Using your logic, there must be a majority of people who are not moving up.


Top 2 Wealthies majority Black counties in the US are overwhelmingly Democratic.

Prince Georges MD
DeKalb GA

Your argument holds no water.

Don't know about Dekalb County,GA but in P.G. most came from D.C. and most are Federal Government civil service employees. If they had this egalitarian mentality you seem to be alluding to they would have kept their butts in D.C. and invested their money in "Da Hood" and made D.C. the wealthiest Black jurisdiction. So what's your theory as to why they hauled ass out of D.C. once they started making paper?

 

[BigUnc]

Using your logic, there must be a majority of people who are not moving up.


Top 2 Wealthies majority Black counties in the US are overwhelmingly Democratic.

Prince Georges MD
DeKalb GA

Your argument holds no water.

Don't know about Dekalb County,GA but in P.G. most came from D.C. and most are Federal Government civil service employees. If they had this egalitarian mentality Democrats say they believe in they would have kept their butts in D.C. and invested their money in "Da Hood" and made D.C. the wealthiest Black jurisdiction. So what's your theory as to why they hauled ass out of D.C. once they started making paper?

P.G. also has atrocious schools, corrupt police and government officials. You might what to hold off on lifting P.G. as a model of how Democrats govern.

 

[thoughtone]

Don't know about Dekalb County,GA but in P.G. most came from D.C. and most are Federal Government civil service employees. If they had this egalitarian mentality Democrats say they believe in they would have kept their butts in D.C. and invested their money in "Da Hood" and made D.C. the wealthiest Black jurisdiction. So what's your theory as to why they hauled ass out of D.C. once they started making paper?

P.G. also has atrocious schools, corrupt police and government officials. You might what to hold off on lifting P.G. as a model of how Democrats govern.

I know about Dekalb County, I'm here. We are surrounded by southern republicans. We laugh at their self righteousness. Even as they get wealthy from the Lockheed military aircraft plant in nearby republican saturated Cobb County. You know that evil government money they say is being wasted, but don't cut back or their financial trough. Now to Prince Georges. My sister's son's god mother is an employee of Homeland Security. Like her neighbors, they are all highly educated with advance degrees. Nobody gave them anything. BTW, she moved to DC from southern Ohio. Next!

 

[actinanass]

Shut the fuck up with that right wing patronizing rhetoric. I’m a grown man. I’ve been taking care of myself since I was 19 years old. I have worked for some of biggest corporations in the world. But first I am a BLACK man. I don’t care what message a political party is spewing. If the don’t respect me as a BLACK man and a person of African descent, I don’t care what they have done for you. Republicans don’t have a monopoly on morals. If they did, they wouldn’t put corporate profits over community. I’m from the north east. I don’t know how Black folk in Texas have been inculcated to deal with whites, but when I grew up, we use to laugh at the way white kids disrespected their elders. You had better get back in touch with (if you were ever in touch) with the experience of Blacks people. From reading your posts over the months, your grasp of history is laughable. Conservatives use to blame the incompetence of Black folk for their plight. Now the economy is blowing up all around them and whites are hurting too and you can’t blame that on lazy Black folk. But you’re too blind to see that. I guess in Texas, you think you can build a wall around yourself, but the world will still coming chasing after you!

So, you don't believe in relying on the government to take care of you?

Dude, you just proved the conservatives right.

YOU CAN DO SHIT ON YOUR OWN!!!!!!!

Thought you are more conservative than you think....

 

[thoughtone]

So, you don't believe in relying on the government to take care of you?

Dude, you just proved the conservatives right.

YOU CAN DO SHIT ON YOUR OWN!!!!!!!

Thought you are more conservative than you think....