The End of White Supremacy,The Beginning of Black Destruction

[drxmd]

Although hate groups maybe on the rise. Institutionalized racism is in decline. African Americans are increasingly in power in more places in our country. This however, has not affected the murder rates and the disintegration of our family structure amongst African Americans. Where are the protests? Where are the marches? Where is the activism? Everyday in America,African Americans kill each other at alarming rates. As of 2009 our worst enemy is ourselves. We go crazy , and rightfully so when African Americans are murdered by cops. We don't make a peep however when our brothers and sisters murder each other in the streets.

 

[Acur]

Someone With Some Sense. One Of Us Goes To Jail We Cry And Moan. Michael Gets His Degree And Comes Home, The Neighborhood Doesn't Give A Damn.

 

[VegasGuy]

In all due respect, those who fuck up are the same one who have always fucked up. Please don't associate or otherwise link them with those of us who don't. We outnumber those that fuck up 10 to 1.

-VG

 

[drxmd]

In all due respect, those who fuck up are the same one who have always fucked up. Please don't associate or otherwise link them with those of us who don't. We outnumber those that fuck up 10 to 1.

-VG

Our community is sick. Do you ignore cancer? 90% of your body maybe healthy, but what about the rest? "Just a few cancer cells won't hurt".

 

[brabra]

Yall don't be fooled into thinking that Institutionalized racism is in decline. That's what they want you to think. Thats why obama is in office, and all. You let your guard down, and you'll get sucker punched, f dat. My guard is up.

 

[Cross]

Someone With Some Sense. One Of Us Goes To Jail We Cry And Moan. Michael Gets His Degree And Comes Home, The Neighborhood Doesn't Give A Damn.

I got into a big argument with a friend over this same shit right here. He threw a welcome home party for his boy but didnt celebrate his little brother getting accpting into an ivy league with a full ride. That shit had me heated. Im happy dude is home but its nothing to be celebrated.

 

[Cross]

In all due respect, those who fuck up are the same one who have always fucked up. Please don't associate or otherwise link them with those of us who don't. We outnumber those that fuck up 10 to 1.

-VG

If you let the media tell it its the other way around.

 

[Imhotep]

 

[VegasGuy]

Our community is sick. Do you ignore cancer? 90% of your body maybe healthy, but what about the rest? "Just a few cancer cells won't hurt".

Save the pity party. My community is just fine and is not cancerous.

There are those who fuck up and do it constantly. They rather "keep it real" as they understand what real is than seek the solutions that are available have worked for the vast majority of us for generations.

Those are an isolated community unto itself and every culture has them.

They don't feel they are a cancerous growth. They accept life fuckin' with them as it will when they run against the grain and flow of our society. It is the way they process information and not the way the majority of us process it. That makes them a separate and distinct community of people.

So again, don't associate or otherwise link those who fuck up as a vocation with those of us who don't.

-VG

 

[drxmd]

Save the pity party. My community is just fine and is not cancerous.

There are those who fuck up and do it constantly. They rather "keep it real" as they understand what real is than seek the solutions that are available have worked for the vast majority of us for generations.

Those are an isolated community unto itself and every culture has them.

They don't feel they are a cancerous growth. They accept life fuckin' with them as it will when they run against the grain and flow of our society. It is the way they process information and not the way the majority of us process it. That makes them a separate and distinct community of people.

So again, don't associate or otherwise link those who fuck up as a vocation with those of us who don't.

-VG

So African American homicide rates,health stats, and lack of coherent families is not a problem? Just wondering, according to your world view, there are only a few problems in our community right? Our community is as strong as ever ? Do you identify any problems in our community that affect you? How are you unaffected by any of these problems?

 

[VegasGuy]

So African American homicide rates,health stats, and lack of coherent families is not a problem? Just wondering, according to your world view, there are only a few problems in our community right? Our community is as strong as ever ? Do you identify any problems in our community that affect you? How are you unaffected by any of these problems?

As compared to who? White stats? I'm not moved son.

The only problems that I allow to "affect me" are those who are seriously seeking solutions and NOT attempting to assimilate bullshit methodology in the process that has already proven to fail. There are a good number of them to deal with in our schools and communities, and where I will and do spend my time, talent and treasure.

If you, on the other hand feel the pull to spend your time with those NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR HELP as most I've mentioned are not based on those same statistics you drag around in your notebook then be my guest.

-VG

 

[Zero]

So African American homicide rates,health stats, and lack of coherent families is not a problem? Just wondering, according to your world view, there are only a few problems in our community right? Our community is as strong as ever ? Do you identify any problems in our community that affect you? How are you unaffected by any of these problems?

African American crime rates have been steadily declining in all categories since the 90's (just because the press ignores it doesn't make it not so). Inner city crime rates are NOT African American crime rates (everybody dumps their trash in the hood, those stats reflect entire metro areas).

Like VG said, 90+% of the African American community works hard, pays taxes and raises their kids, they have been ignored FOREVER and cats like you think there needs to be more focus on the negative. How about the fact there is ZERO focus on the positive in our community (excluding the same 5 dudes for 28-29 days every year), how does THAT shit affect the "kids"?

There ARE a few problems in our community (the SAME few problems in society overall). You fix society, our community will be fixed by default. The fact that we pay a higher toll for the same issues that affect every ethnic group in this country means that maybe that institutional racism you speak of isn't quite gone.

The traditional family is in decline throughout the Western world. Do you get that, it's not a black thing, THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN WORLD!!!

The health issues affecting black folks are now spreading throughout the country. Do you think the new flood of type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and heart disease adds are all geared towards us? White folks may have lasted a little longer eating shit and living lazy, but the shit has caught up with them too.

In 2009, our worst enemy is cats like YOU who could walk past 1000 hard working black folks without taking a second glance, see ONE troubled black person in that group, point to him and say "Look at US. WE need to do better"

You want to help that one bruh, shut the fuck up and help him and stop with this posturing BS.

You want to be "PROFOUND"? How about this, little Jimmy's mother tells him "You can be anything you want to be", little Tyrone's mother tells him "You better be careful or you gonna end up being nothing". Which kid you think is feeling more "motivated to do big things?

Black kids in HUGE numbers succeed every day DESPITE the albatross cats like you put around their necks.

 

[drxmd]

African American crime rates have been steadily declining in all categories since the 90's (just because the press ignores it doesn't make it not so). Inner city crime rates are NOT African American crime rates (everybody dumps their trash in the hood, those stats reflect entire metro areas).

Like VG said, 90+% of the African American community works hard, pays taxes and raises their kids, they have been ignored FOREVER and cats like you think there needs to be more focus on the negative. How about the fact there is ZERO focus on the positive in our community (excluding the same 5 dudes for 28-29 days every year), how does THAT shit affect the "kids"?

There ARE a few problems in our community (the SAME few problems in society overall). You fix society, our community will be fixed by default. The fact that we pay a higher toll for the same issues that affect every ethnic group in this country means that maybe that institutional racism you speak of isn't quite gone.

The traditional family is in decline throughout the Western world. Do you get that, it's not a black thing, THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN WORLD!!!

The health issues affecting black folks are now spreading throughout the country. Do you think the new flood of type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and heart disease adds are all geared towards us? White folks may have lasted a little longer eating shit and living lazy, but the shit has caught up with them too.

In 2009, our worst enemy is cats like YOU who could walk past 1000 hard working black folks without taking a second glance, see ONE troubled black person in that group, point to him and say "Look at US. WE need to do better"

You want to help that one bruh, shut the fuck up and help him and stop with this posturing BS.

You want to be "PROFOUND"? How about this, little Jimmy's mother tells him "You can be anything you want to be", little Tyrone's mother tells him "You better be careful or you gonna end up being nothing". Which kid you think is feeling more "motivated to do big things?

Black kids in HUGE numbers succeed every day DESPITE the albatross cats like you put around their necks.

Ignoring the problem, by acknowledging the many successes in Africa American communities does not address dealing with the problem. Friends, family and I, are all involved in African American entrepreneurship, education, cultural knowledge , and social service. Despite this I am still concerned with those who are not achieving, and contributing to the overall crime rate, and problems that plague our community. Not the news, reality.My primary concern is for our community, to focus in on itself. Identify the problems and make the necessary corrections. We often focus on external problems, when those issues have recently been in decline. Stronger families are the key to creating better communities. Not just for African Americans, but as you correctly stated for all of our society.

 

[VegasGuy]

Ignoring the problem, by acknowledging the many successes in Africa American communities does not address dealing with the problem. Friends, family and I, are all involved in African American entrepreneurship, education, cultural knowledge , and social service. Despite this I am still concerned with those who are not achieving, and contributing to the overall crime rate, and problems that plague our community. Not the news, reality.My primary concern is for our community, to focus in on itself. Identify the problems and make the necessary corrections. We often focus on external problems, when those issues have recently been in decline. Stronger families are the key to creating better communities. Not just for African Americans, but as you correctly stated for all of our society.

No one is ignoring the problem. This is why we pay taxes. To keep the system able to deal with those who rather do things differently than the rest of us.

But I'm gonna tell you again, those with eyes to see and ears to hear will find their way out of that bullshit as the rest of us did.

Speaking for me, I didn't begin life here. I started in the same shit hole you in here talking about. I wanted a way out so I watched and followed the footsteps of those who were working towards making their way out. It was work. Real personal work and a shit load of sacrifice and corrections.

And not just me. Plenty of my friends got the fuck out and pulled those who had trouble we could help.

In the process I learned there were those who simply wasn't interested in working hard. Not interested in learning to speak the language or doing what it took to get yourself better than you were.

What I'm telling you is, for many of them, that is their world. They say they hate it but won't abandon it. It's selling out for them and that's ok to me. I can't fix it and I don't think you can either.

You just have to do what you do and wait until you see a hand pop up. When it does you reach for it and pull as hard as you can. Until that time they can stay there and bitch. I can't hear that anymore.

-VG

 

[Zero]

Ignoring the problem, by acknowledging the many successes in Africa American communities does not address dealing with the problem. Friends, family and I, are all involved in African American entrepreneurship, education, cultural knowledge , and social service. Despite this I am still concerned with those who are not achieving, and contributing to the overall crime rate, and problems that plague our community. Not the news, reality.My primary concern is for our community, to focus in on itself. Identify the problems and make the necessary corrections. We often focus on external problems, when those issues have recently been in decline. Stronger families are the key to creating better communities. Not just for African Americans, but as you correctly stated for all of our society.

Ignoring the growing number of African American success stories to focus even MORE attention on a shrinking number of African American failure stories (and that is what is happensing, in case you didn't know) does NOTHING to motivate those striving to or who have a desire to succeed. If the black middle class is growing faster than any other race, if black college admission is growing at a steady rate, if the crime rate is falling, if drug use is dropping, if the incarceration rates are flattening (and in the face of those other stats I just cited, that says a LOT about your "End to institutional racism"), then the black race you have declared "destroyed" is obviously achieving success, you just overlook it seeking failure.

People wonder why the attitudes that we witness in our community are the way they are, but never ask...

What other community is constantly bombarded with images of their own kind failing, stats (literally a new one every other day) suggesting their own kind are destined to fail, people who claim to "care" (like yourself) saying shit like their own kind are headed towards destruction, their own kind citing fallacious stats to support their stance that doom is imminent, etc, etc, etc?

What other race feeds this negative shit to their children from birth. An Asian fucking CRACK BABY will be told from birth that he is smart, a Mexican crack baby will be told he is a hard worker, a white crack baby will be told he can be anything he wants, a black crack baby is just a CRACK BABY, nothing more. I caught my dumb fucking relatives calling my 16 year old, straight "A" student cousin "The crack baby" because he WAS a crack baby, but he IS an honor student NOW, so why not call him "The honor student"?

Who does that shit to a child, especially a child showing such great potential? I'll tell you who? NEGROES!

And damn near no other race or ethnic group does it as constantly or religiously.

 

[Zero]

No one is ignoring the problem. This is why we pay taxes. To keep the system able to deal with those who rather do things differently than the rest of us.

But I'm gonna tell you again, those with eyes to see and ears to hear will find their way out of that bullshit as the rest of us did.

Speaking for me, I didn't begin life here. I started in the same shit hole you in here talking about. I wanted a way out so I watched and followed the footsteps of those who were working towards making their way out. It was work. Real personal work and a shit load of sacrifice and corrections.

And not just me. Plenty of my friends got the fuck out and pulled those who had trouble we could help.

In the process I learned there were those who simply wasn't interested in working hard. Not interested in learning to speak the language or doing what it took to get yourself better than you were.

What I'm telling you is, for many of them, that is their world. They say they hate it but won't abandon it. It's selling out for them and that's ok to me. I can't fix it and I don't think you can either.

You just have to do what you do and wait until you see a hand pop up. When it does you reach for it and pull as hard as you can. Until that time they can stay there and bitch. I can't hear that anymore.

-VG

I know I seem hostile towards the OP and it is because I am. It has been my experience that cats that talk this "You are ignoring the problem" argument to attack folks that refuse to buy into their doom and gloom ideology do so because their intent is NOT noble just like cats that throw out bogus stats to supposedly get black folks to "wake up" are NOT noble. Their intent is to disseminate this information online unfiltered and without context of any sort, nothing more, nothing less.

Black folks have been allowing their kids to be fed this bullshit (thus making our jobs as parents 100x more difficult than any other group) for FAR too long. You even have dumb black parents feeding this shit to their OWN kids from birth because they have been told they are "ignoring the problem" if they don't. My parents NEVER told me the percentage of likelihood I would end up in jail, or on drugs, or dead from violent crime because they KNEW that if they just raised me RIGHT and focused on me being a better PERSON, that the other shit would be as foreign to me as it is to the average white kid (and my parents were and are the MAJORITY in the black community, not the minority). Why should the MAJORITY raise their kids based upon what the least of their community does?

If there are ten dudes in a room and one smokes cigarettes, would you say WE NEED TO QUIT SMOKING? Well when 90% of black folks are doing the right thing and 10% are doing wrong...

 

[VegasGuy]

I know I seem hostile towards the OP and it is because I am. It has been my experience that cats that talk this "You are ignoring the problem" argument to attack folks that refuse to buy into their doom and gloom ideology do so because their intent is NOT noble just like cats that throw out bogus stats to supposedly get black folks to "wake up" are NOT noble. Their intent is to disseminate this information online unfiltered and without context of any sort, nothing more, nothing less.

Black folks have been allowing their kids to be fed this bullshit (thus making our jobs as parents 100x more difficult than any other group) for FAR too long. You even have dumb black parents feeding this shit to their OWN kids from birth because they have been told they are "ignoring the problem" if they don't. My parents NEVER told me the percentage of likelihood I would end up in jail, or on drugs, or dead from violent crime because they KNEW that if they just raised me RIGHT and focused on me being a better PERSON, that the other shit would be as foreign to me as it is to the average white kid (and my parents were and are the MAJORITY in the black community, not the minority). Why should the MAJORITY raise their kids based upon what the least of their community does?

If there are ten dudes in a room and one smokes cigarettes, would you say WE NEED TO QUIT SMOKING? Well when 90% of black folks are doing the right thing and 10% are doing wrong...

And that's all I'm trying to say Zero.

I get a little put off when someone comes off as if no one understands problems like they do. Run off some stats and it becomes the book for all conversation on the matter. No. It's not. The running thread on right wing media and those left wing "we understand you better" types is that those who are in poverty will always be in poverty. For us it seems that even if you finally get out of poverty, you are still there because someone else is there.

There will ALWAYS be poverty. But living in poverty never meant you have no recourse in life.

You do.

You always do.

Look at the Judge Mathis story. The consummate fuck up. Pissing off his parents, doing drugs, time in jail, robberies, fuckin up in school the whole nine. Just like those OTHERS are doing.

Eventually, he did what the rest of us did. Follow the steps of those who got the hell up out of that condition. I think he said it took him several attempts to get his law license and even a professor told him he would NEVER get it. And you know the rest.

When you continue to make the same decisions others have made while you are there, you make it harder to get out but it's not impossible to get out.

Which is why I take exception to the OP original question. White Supremacy has ended, we have a black president and we still do crime. WTF?

These points don't even mesh. Then there is talk of protests and marching. What black people truly talk like that?
Whites are good but blacks are not (in the era of Obama?)

-VG

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

really quit the games. who dont know that, Malcolm said it, Martin said it, Farrakhan said it Al Sharpton said it, Bill Cosby sayin it etc..

so now you on a porn board tryin to change the world, actin like you christopher columbus and discovered america when natives staring at your pale ass...right now america is being ripped off by white men in suits...murder has happend since the begining of time and will not stop because you decided to save the world with your mighty thread


.... what is your purpose for this thread.....seriously????

 

[nittie]

Interesting topic if the why's are thought out. Why does behavior vary so much between the races. Since behavior is learned who taught it and why. etc.

 

[drxmd]

I don't care about white crime rates because thats not my community. I am not talking about media bias. We know that exists. I am talking about real tragedy that happens in our community, that is not adequately addressed on the community level. Some perspective, a couple of years ago in my community there were 12 police shootings for the year most of which involved African American males. Complete uproar Grand Juries, meetings and protest. That same year there were 99 murders most of those involving African American males, once again no protests. Also, nobody is raising there children based on what the criminals are doing. This is a discussion on a message board. We all have different missions and roles Some of us push the gifted, to excel further. Others attempt to identify problems and develop solutions to advance the ones in the group that maybe left behind. The problem is we must identify new challenges, and discard old ideologies. White racism is not our #1 problem. Identify the new challenge and develop a solution.

 

[drxmd]

really quit the games. who dont know that, Malcolm said it, Martin said it, Farrakhan said it Al Sharpton said it, Bill Cosby sayin it etc..

so now you on a porn board tryin to change the world, actin like you christopher columbus and discovered america when natives staring at your pale ass...right now america is being ripped off by white men in suits...murder has happend since the begining of time and will not stop because you decided to save the world with your mighty thread


.... what is your purpose for this thread.....seriously????

DEBATE

 

[VegasGuy]

I don't care about white crime rates because thats not my community. I am not talking about media bias. We know that exists. I am talking about real tragedy that happens in our community, that is not adequately addressed on the community level. Some perspective, a couple of years ago in my community there were 12 police shootings for the year most of which involved African American males. Complete uproar Grand Juries, meetings and protest. That same year there were 99 murders most of those involving African American males, once again no protests. Also, nobody is raising there children based on what the criminals are doing. This is a discussion on a message board. We all have different missions and roles Some of us push the gifted, to excel further. Others attempt to identify problems and develop solutions to advance the ones in the group that maybe left behind. The problem is we must identify new challenges, and discard old ideologies. White racism is not our #1 problem. Identify the new challenge and develop a solution.

You're all over the place man and like the local news, you restate the problem like a pro. But I'm telling you when those in that situation get enough of it, change happens. But not because you or I think it it should change.

Peace

-VG

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Anyone who thinks poverty and ignorance is a black problem needs to check out Whalley. I grew up listening to rap music thinking the 'hood' must be on some Mad Max shit. Last year I moved to West Oakland and realized I was living in the hood all along.

Aside from race the only real difference is that Whalley has more drug use (wearing flip flops can cost you your life), less people going to college, and recently, a higher murder rate

The other difference is that the people who get out of Whalley stay the fuck out and never go back. They realize that their brethren are called 'white trash' for a reason. They are disposable. Something to be buried and forgotten. People who dig through their past are treated with the same disdain as FBI agents who dig through someone's garbage.

Notice how nobody makes a big deal about the history of Hillary Swank, Justin Timberlake, or Britney Spears? Ditto for Axel Rose, Billy Bob Thorton, Mick Mars, Merle Haggard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Swaggart or the hundreds of other white folks who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Even when they show their Cracker side people are quick to give them a pass.

This is just my .02 Y'all can draw your own conclusions.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

The dumbest thing, we do is make a GHETTO issue a Black issue, which is what this thread has done. Every group that has lived in Amerikkkan ghettos have had the same issues we do. Around the world in ghettos people have the same issue, so why are you talking about it as if Black America is doing something out of the ordinary?

White supremacy created a permanent Black underclass. A class of people who disproportionately go to bad schools, are unemployed/underemployed, get harassed by law enforcement, get inferior health care, and live in neglected urban areas. That was done on purpose. Blacks have historically been "steered" to living in the ghettos that were built specifically for us. It was done legally and illegally. Look up redlining, redistricting, White flight, urban decay.

You guys keep acting as if you expect a large percentage of us to live in "the hood", but NOT be violent or unhealthy. There is NO SUCH THING.

Find me a ghetto, regardless of the race, and I'll show you drugs, gangs, violence, and crime. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GHETTO!!!!

The issue is, why are Black people disproportionately in the ghetto, not why are we acting just like all the other people forced into the ghetto.

Black people who live in the suburbs are fine.

Blacks who get good educations are fine.

Blacks who don't grow up in the ghetto are fine.

Whites who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

Latinos who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

Asians who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

See the pattern?

Stop buying into the idea that there's something wrong with US. There's nothing wrong with US. There's something wrong with the system that put US where we are, in disproportionate numbers. There's a difference.

 

[Acur]

The dumbest thing, we do is make a GHETTO issue a Black issue, which is what this thread has done. Every group that has lived in Amerikkkan ghettos have had the same issues we do. Around the world in ghettos people have the same issue, so why are you talking about it as if Black America is doing something out of the ordinary?

White supremacy created a permanent Black underclass. A class of people who disproportionately go to bad schools, are unemployed/underemployed, get harassed by law enforcement, get inferior health care, and live in neglected urban areas. That was done on purpose. Blacks have historically been "steered" to living in the ghettos that were built specifically for us. It was done legally and illegally. Look up redlining, redistricting, White flight, urban decay.

You guys keep acting as if you expect a large percentage of us to live in "the hood", but NOT be violent or unhealthy. There is NO SUCH THING.

Find me a ghetto, regardless of the race, and I'll show you drugs, gangs, violence, and crime. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GHETTO!!!!

The issue is, why are Black people disproportionately in the ghetto, not why are we acting just like all the other people forced into the ghetto.

Black people who live in the suburbs are fine.

Blacks who get good educations are fine.


Blacks who don't grow up in the ghetto are fine.


Whites who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

Latinos who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

Asians who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

See the pattern?

Stop buying into the idea that there's something wrong with US. There's nothing wrong with US. There's something wrong with the system that put US where we are, in disproportionate numbers. There's a difference.

DAMN RIGHT WE ARE DOING WELL AND CONTINUE TOO. THE LINES IN BOLD APPLY TO ME.

 

[nittie]

April 2nd, 2009
G20 ends Anglo-Saxon era
Paul Taylor is a Reuters columnist.
Thursday’s G20 summit may not mark the end or even the beginning of the end of the global recession. It did mark the end of the ascendancy of the unfettered, Anglo-Saxon model of capitalism.

What comes next is far from sure, but it will be different from the headlong dash for individual enrichment, short-term profit and financial acrobatics that began with the dominance of U.S. President Ronald Reagan and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. The widespread acceptance of increased regulation would have been anathema for U.S. President Barack Obama’s predecessors.

'White, blue-eyed bankers have brought world economy to its knees': What the Brazilian President told Gordon Brown

This was a crisis that was fostered and boosted by irrational behaviour of people that are white, blue-eyed, that before the crisis looked like they knew everything about economics,’ he declared.

‘Now they have demonstrated that they don’t know anything about economics.’
President Lula, head of Brazil’s main left-wing party, said that ‘no black man or woman, no indigenous person, no poor person’ had been in any way culpable for the global banking crisis.

There's a global referendum going on now about the future of anglos. It has nothing to do with Blacks in America because we haven't done anything to anybody, but we could get caught in the cross-fire.

 

[drxmd]

The dumbest thing, we do is make a GHETTO issue a Black issue, which is what this thread has done. Every group that has lived in Amerikkkan ghettos have had the same issues we do. Around the world in ghettos people have the same issue, so why are you talking about it as if Black America is doing something out of the ordinary?

White supremacy created a permanent Black underclass. A class of people who disproportionately go to bad schools, are unemployed/underemployed, get harassed by law enforcement, get inferior health care, and live in neglected urban areas. That was done on purpose. Blacks have historically been "steered" to living in the ghettos that were built specifically for us. It was done legally and illegally. Look up redlining, redistricting, White flight, urban decay.



You guys keep acting as if you expect a large percentage of us to live in "the hood", but NOT be violent or unhealthy. There is NO SUCH THING.

Find me a ghetto, regardless of the race, and I'll show you drugs, gangs, violence, and crime. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GHETTO!!!!

The issue is, why are Black people disproportionately in the ghetto, not why are we acting just like all the other people forced into the ghetto.

Black people who live in the suburbs are fine.

Blacks who get good educations are fine.

Blacks who don't grow up in the ghetto are fine.

Whites who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

Latinos who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

Asians who live in the ghetto are just as fucked up, or worst than we are.

See the pattern?

Stop buying into the idea that there's something wrong with US. There's nothing wrong with US. There's something wrong with the system that put US where we are, in disproportionate numbers. There's a difference.

you stated that the "system" has created these conditions. You failed to state that African Americans, even during slavery,despite the purposeful separation of families had stronger family structures than we do now. We know that the chips are stacked against us, however these problems only began to surface after desegregation.Therefore,its not completely a economic problem. Also some of the issues in our community go beyond social class such as out of wedlock birthrates are at 70%.Even though marriage may be in decline in the Western world our rates are higher than most. What are the solutions? Stronger family structure, even in poorer communities. More community activism. More education. African Americans have done more with less than more any other ethnic group here, however we still should demand better quality resources for which we pay for through taxes, . I'm not white, Asian,or Latin, therefore I understand your argument however those are their problems. I'm addressing African American issues not other ethnic groups.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

you stated that the "system" has created these conditions. You failed to state that African Americans, even during slavery,despite the purposeful separation of families had stronger family structures than we do now. We know that the chips are stacked against us, however these problems only began to surface after desegregation.Therefore,its not completely a economic problem. Also some of the issues in our community go beyond social class such as out of wedlock birthrates are at 70%.Even though marriage may be in decline in the Western world our rates are higher than most. What are the solutions? Stronger family structure, even in poorer communities. More community activism. More education. African Americans have done more with less than more any other ethnic group here, however we still should demand better quality resources for which we pay for through taxes, . I'm not white, Asian,or Latin, therefore I understand your argument however those are their problems. I'm addressing African American issues not other ethnic groups.

Marriage declined at a similar rate amongst all ethnic groups in America around that time for two reasons. First the civil rights act also gave women more equality in the workplace which meant they were no longer dependent on their husbands for a good livelihood (Divorce rates hit a similar peak during WWII when women were allowed to get factory jobs). The second reason was that in addition to the Civil Rights Act the Johnson administration also passed a sweeping welfare reform which favored single parent families.

The 70% figure you quoted is misleading. The majority of these births are not pregnant teens with absent fathers. Most of them are in stable families where the parents have, for one reason or another, decided not to get married. To me that says more about the institution of marriage than family dysfunction.

IMO this is not a Black problem it's an American problem.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

you stated that the "system" has created these conditions. You failed to state that African Americans, even during slavery,despite the purposeful separation of families had stronger family structures than we do now. We know that the chips are stacked against us, however these problems only began to surface after desegregation.Therefore,its not completely a economic problem. Also some of the issues in our community go beyond social class such as out of wedlock birthrates are at 70%.Even though marriage may be in decline in the Western world our rates are higher than most. What are the solutions? Stronger family structure, even in poorer communities. More community activism. More education. African Americans have done more with less than more any other ethnic group here, however we still should demand better quality resources for which we pay for through taxes, . I'm not white, Asian,or Latin, therefore I understand your argument however those are their problems. I'm addressing African American issues not other ethnic groups.

Those degenerations happened because we became a GHETTO people, when we moved in to cities. Before we were slaves in the rural south, and then share croppers and farmers IN THE RURAL SOUTH. The people who lived in the urban ghettoes before us, had the SAME PROBLEMS. The Irish and Italians were in the projects, using drugs, shooting each other, and having babies out of wedlock. That's why they ended prohibition, because it was having the SAME effect on them as the War on Drugs is having on us.

When we had tight families, they were killing each other over moonshine. That's why they moved us into the ghettos and them out, to allow them to get their act together, while at the same time, inflicting the same urban blight on us, that had been inflicted on the WHITE urban dwellers for hundreds of years.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Jeez to the Us not this shit again.

Ok I was in the black community all week and you know what I saw....

motherfuckers going to work, school, and getting off work and school.

thats whatI see every fucking day... to see that bullshit you talking about I have to turn on the idiot box...

and there are maybe a few thousand bad apples and blacks number well into the millons..

the truth of the matter is under capitalism everyone cannot succeed...


someone has to fail... why is this always left out of these discussion on the delusion of black on black crime as though there is no such thing as white on white crime... world war 1 and 2 holla.

the fact remains is that disenfranchised blacks are exposed, thier lives are out there for everyone to see and criticize.

if you take the same energy and apply it to white folks you would understand.

1- more white junkies
2- more white people in jail than anyother race, fuck percentage, straight up numbers they surpass everyone.

and if you say, well thats because there are more of them.. who cares, the fact is.. THERE ARE MORE WHITE CRIMINALS.

and more white in prison for violence than blacks.

the end of white supremecy...

Is the ending of black destruction.

white supemecy fuels black destruction.

white privilege benefits off of it.

 

[drxmd]

the end of white supremecy...

Is the ending of black destruction.

white supemecy fuels black destruction.

white privilege benefits off of it.

That was nice, I must say that I am persuaded by the different viewpoints. I do not agree with them all, however some of the arguments have provided me with a new and better perspective.

Thanks