Heartless MTA Cuts in New York

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We've got their numbers: Five state senators betray a half-million straphangers

If you're among the 109,000 southern Brooklyn subway riders, be warned: your state senator, Carl Kruger, is engineering drastic fare hikes and service cuts for you.

If you're among the 123,000 southern Bronx subway riders, be warned: your senator, Ruben Diaz, is pushing you toward the same awful fate.

The More.. same is true if you're among 111,400 subway riders in Sen. Pedro Espada's central Bronx district; 78,000 in Sen. Kevin Parker's central Brooklyn district, and 56,000 in Ruth Hassell-Thompson's northern Bronx district.

Kruger, Diaz, Espada, Parker and Hassell-Thompson have emerged as the leading opponents of rescuing the MTA from collapse by imposing a tax on payrolls and tolls on the East River and Harlem River bridges.

This is the only viable plan for averting a 23% fare hike, elimination of subway and bus lines and deep subway-maintenance cuts. Gov. Paterson and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver back it because there is no choice.

Kruger, Diaz, Espada, Parker and Hassell-Thompson balk at tolls, placing the interests of a minority of drivers over the quality of life and pocketbooks of far more constituents. And none has offered a sane alternative.

They are living in a fantasyland, especially Kruger. Yesterday, he proposed a scheme that would be laughable were he not Finance Committee chairman. He'd have the state borrow billions, give the MTA a slice and put the rest in the stock market in hopes of hitting a jackpot to repay the loan. Is that how he manages his affairs?

These people need to come back to Earth.

Kruger's district, including Brighton Beach, Sheepshead Bay and Mill Basin, has 20 subway stops. He is on track to hammer 109,737 commuters.

Diaz's (Soundview, Hunts Point, Morrisania) has 20 stations, 123,651 riders; Parker's (Flatbush, East Flatbush) 11 stations, 77,920 riders; Espada's (Tremont, Kingsbridge, Bedford Park) 15 stations, 111,403 riders; Hassell-Thompson's (Wakefield, Baychester, Crotona Park), 12 stations, 56,389 riders.

That doesn't count constituents who use nearby stations in other districts, or tens of thousands of bus riders.

Far fewer residents use untolled bridges. In Espada's district, more than 70% don't even own cars.

Unless they change course, Kruger, Diaz, Espada, Parker and Hassell-Thompson will inflict huge costs and inconveniences on almost a half-million subway riders in their districts. Plus hundreds of thousands of bus riders. Plus millions more citywide.

They need to see the light.
 
Boycott. That is the only answer that will be understood if calling, petitions, letters or the Ravitch plan does not fall through. Sad thing is first response people will say to boycotting the MTA would be like, "Hell no! I need to sit my ass down to get to work!" :smh: It wasn't too long ago when we had the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Although the stakes were higher then, it would still be for a just cause... don't take your customers for suckas! :angry:
 
Where in NYC........can you go from 241st in the Bronx.........to Far rockaway,Queens for......$2.00??? 24hrs/7 days & nights non stop service (not to mention a free transfer on the bus to drop you in front of your house or corner of block)



MUTHAFUCKER.........PAY UP!! $2.50 like it or leave N.Y.!!

I heard in D.C. you have to pay to get on and get off and it doesn't run 24/7?
 
Everyone cannot afford a 25% increase so easily. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of NYers who live hand to mouth and paycheck to paycheck. Eventually, they will come to a price that you are not so comfortable paying. Will you just tell us to "pay up" then??
 
Shit here in cleveland they got rid of transfers if you lose your bus pass or you gotta catch a connecting bus yo ass gotta pay up
 
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If a fare increase is not the answer; then what would be a more fair alternative ???

QueEx
 
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If a fare increase is not the answer; then what would be a more fair alternative ???

QueEx
a total audit and analysis of the past 20yrs of gross mismanagement of the MTA and its budgets - prosecutions/firings - insertion of new mgmt and increased ad prices and a new video advertisement system to sell commercials on



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Wages in NY have NOT kept track with inflation - although 50 cents a day might not be much to some, I remember working, going to college fulltime and getting public assistance in the 90s and I still had to hop the turnstyle twice a day. 4 or more train fares a day from Brooklyn to Manhattan.
 
Congestion taxes don't work. The same folks who produced that video used talk about Londons "progrssive" congestion tax, however Londons tgraffic is worse with the tax in place. Many of the people who drive in have to drop some coin in parking, and NY has an 18% tax on parking. Drivers are paying thier share. It is the straphangers who don't carry thier load. The fare covers a bit more than half of the cost. The rest is made up by cost-shifting through re-distributive means (i.e. the parking taxes, the tolls from the bridges that do have tolls, income taxes, the fed., etc). Not that I am bitching about the fact, but facts are facts, and nothing is free.
 
Congestion taxes don't work. The same folks who produced that video used talk about Londons "progrssive" congestion tax, however Londons tgraffic is worse with the tax in place. Many of the people who drive in have to drop some coin in parking, and NY has an 18% tax on parking. Drivers are paying thier share. It is the straphangers who don't carry thier load. The fare covers a bit more than half of the cost. The rest is made up by cost-shifting through re-distributive means (i.e. the parking taxes, the tolls from the bridges that do have tolls, income taxes, the fed., etc). Not that I am bitching about the fact, but facts are facts, and nothing is free.
Bruh framing it as drivers versus straphangers is bullshit. So you believe all parking taxes, port authority bridge and tunnel tolls go to the MTA?

What percentage of NYC commuters don't even live in the 5 burroughs and dont pay city taxes that many straphangers pay? Your view of the problem is kinda wack. If the MTA wasn't grossly mismanaged there would be no fare increases. If the city wasn't chock full of wasteful bureaucracy it wouldn't need congestion taxes.

Rather than pointing fingers at your fellow citizens why not point it at the leadership who have failed you all?
 
a total audit and analysis of the past 20yrs of gross mismanagement of the MTA and its budgets - prosecutions/firings - insertion of new mgmt and increased ad prices and a new video advertisement system to sell commercials on

I gotta agree with Makk on this: An audit should take place but history tells me they will just raise the fares
 
I gotta agree with Makk on this: An audit should take place but history tells me they will just raise the fares
i dont know if you remember the last time they raised fares a few years ago before the recession kicked in - shit was so dirty - they were saying the budget was fucked and they were low on cash but they gave themselves (mgmt) bonuses or pay raises or both if I recall it correctly
 
a total audit and analysis of the past 20yrs of gross mismanagement of the MTA and its budgets - prosecutions/firings - insertion of new mgmt and increased ad prices and a new video advertisement system to sell commercials on



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Wages in NY have NOT kept track with inflation - although 50 cents a day might not be much to some, I remember working, going to college fulltime and getting public assistance in the 90s and I still had to hop the turnstyle twice a day. 4 or more train fares a day from Brooklyn to Manhattan.

You may be on to something.;)
 
Bruh framing it as drivers versus straphangers is bullshit. So you believe all parking taxes, port authority bridge and tunnel tolls go to the MTA?

What percentage of NYC commuters don't even live in the 5 burroughs and dont pay city taxes that many straphangers pay? Your view of the problem is kinda wack. If the MTA wasn't grossly mismanaged there would be no fare increases. If the city wasn't chock full of wasteful bureaucracy it wouldn't need congestion taxes.

Rather than pointing fingers at your fellow citizens why not point it at the leadership who have failed you all?


I didn't frame it that way, the folks who created the video posted did. I was just pointing out the absurdity of it. Big ideas are nice, and often sound good, but quickly loose thier luster when examined in the real world, which is what I did. Most people who take the subway do live in the city, like you do, and I did for the first 22 years of my life.

Also, I was a member of the Straphangers campaign for a bit. I am VERY familiar with the mismanagement. 15 years ago, an audit of the Triboro Authority was done, and the were running a 400 Million deficit instead of a projected 200 million profit ( which was to be used to subsidize mass transit - hence by further justification for my earlier stated opinion). That was a 600 Million dollar swing. All because of mismanagement. Why then should drivers pay for that ? They should pay more simply because they are not acting the way you want them to ? How is that not tyranny ?
 
Another problem is the fact that Train Operators & Conductors receive paid-breaks. A lot of these guys have hours between train runs and they certainly are paid to sit idle. Same goes the Track Workers. You also have to consider the fact that they are paid more than NYC Police Officers.
 
I didn't frame it that way, the folks who created the video posted did. I was just pointing out the absurdity of it. Big ideas are nice, and often sound good, but quickly loose thier luster when examined in the real world, which is what I did. Most people who take the subway do live in the city, like you do, and I did for the first 22 years of my life.

Also, I was a member of the Straphangers campaign for a bit. I am VERY familiar with the mismanagement. 15 years ago, an audit of the Triboro Authority was done, and the were running a 400 Million deficit instead of a projected 200 million profit ( which was to be used to subsidize mass transit - hence by further justification for my earlier stated opinion). That was a 600 Million dollar swing. All because of mismanagement. Why then should drivers pay for that ? They should pay more simply because they are not acting the way you want them to ? How is that not tyranny ?

My bad Im in agreement with you.
Another problem is the fact that Train Operators & Conductors receive paid-breaks. A lot of these guys have hours between train runs and they certainly are paid to sit idle. Same goes the Track Workers. You also have to consider the fact that they are paid more than NYC Police Officers.

I think its wrong to look at the weakest voice in this problem especially when mgmt is fucking up this bad for so long.
 
Nassau County is to blame for a $3.50 MTA Long Island Bus fare

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The reason why the MTA wants to hike the fare up to $3.50 for LI Bus in Nassau County is because of Nassau's lack of funding the agency. While neighboring Suffolk spends 30 million dollars on it's bus system, Nassau only pays 8-10 million with the MTA paying the rest. Now, with the MTA in trouble, they cannot afford to fill in Nassau's share anymore.
At the losing end of this will be the rider More..s of LI Bus, most of whom wont be able to afford the $3.50 fare and denial of unlimited ride metrocards. People will be spending over twice as much to get around. Many will simply move away, others will drive and add cars to already congested Nassau roads, some of the worst in the nation (been on Old Country Rd lately?)
There will be shortages of help in stores, doctors offices, and hospitals, as many people will find work elsewhere. It's a lose-lose situation for everybody. Even those rich snobs up on the north shore, will have a harder time finding illegal day laborers to do their lawns, as they wont be paying a $3.50 fare either. Lets not forget the bus drivers, who will probably have to deal with increased fare evasion and violence.
Tom Suozzi and the Nassau County government are disconnected with the people. Suozzi is a con man who may have improved the county's financial rating, by cutting money to vital services, not only buses, but the police too.
It's time to send them a message!
Nassau County legislature 516-571-6200
County Executive Tom Suozzi 516-571-3131
 
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Bloomberg
By Chris Dolmetsch
May 11, 2009


May 11 (Bloomberg) -- New York’s state Metropolitan Transportation Authority today approved fare and toll increases of about 10 percent for its subways, buses, trains, tunnels and bridges.

The increase was less than the 30 percent approved by the agency before state lawmakers last week passed a package of measures to help fill a $1.8 billion budget deficit.

“It’s a solution that will at least in the short-term prevent the Armageddon that loomed large when we met last month,” Dale Hemmerdinger, chairman of the largest U.S. public transit agency, said before the vote. “It is undoubtedly a very bittersweet solution that comes with additional pain for our customers, our employees and everyone who lives and works in our region.”

The base fare for New York City buses and subways will rise 25 cents to $2.25, while the cost of a monthly pass will increase to about $89 from $81, effective June 28.

Tickets for the authority’s Long Island and Metro-North commuter railroads will go up an average of 10 percent, as will tolls for its seven bridges and two tunnels. The new rail fares take effect June 17, and the toll increases will come July 12.

The agency last raised fares and tolls, by 4 percent, in March 2008, while keeping the cost of a single bus and subway ride at $2, its price since May 2003.

Almost all service cuts proposed earlier this year will be eliminated, although there will still be some reductions, including elimination of subway station agents, Jeremy Soffin, a spokesman for the authority, said. No workers will be laid off, although some positions will be lost through attrition, he said. A vote on job and service levels is scheduled for later this month.

Reasons for Deficit

The MTA’s deficit swelled amid declining ridership, rising debt and lower revenue from real estate transfer fees this year. In March, the authority approved fare and toll increases of as much as 30 percent, along with service reductions and 1,100 job cuts.

The state legislature on May 6 approved a plan to eliminate the service cuts and layoffs and limit the fare and toll increase to 10 percent. The package approved by lawmakers imposed a new tax on payrolls in the 12-county region served by the authority, raised a levy on car rentals and boosted fees for drivers licenses and vehicle registrations.

An earlier plan recommended by a panel headed by former MTA chairman Richard Ravitch stalled in the Legislature because of opposition to provisions that included tolls on free East River and Harlem River bridges.

To contact the reporter on this story: Chris Dolmetsch in New York at cdolmetsch@bloomberg.net.


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