!! ***** Mvp Mvp Mvp Mvp Mvp ***** !!

[TimRock]

I already broke this entire series down game by game in a previous post.

All you have to do is watch the series and look at the numbers.

Game 1
Kobe..non factor
Shaq.. 43 points 19 rebounds
blowout...game..if Kobe doesn't play they win this game

Kobe had nothing to do with Reggie...reggie had good looks but came out cold.

Game 2
Kobe..non factor..2 points..
Shaq 40 points 24 rebounds

You've got two games now where Kobe wasn't need to win...he didn't even have to play

Kobe only averaged 15 points in the series..enter average to above average 2 guard there and the Lakers win anyway....Shaq was too got-damn dominant.

and game 4? Kobe gets no credit for his defense? So what you are saying is that you take kobe off and replace him with vince or t-mac, and they still win? Really, you think so? Yeah, those guys can score, but are they good defenders? I keep hearing people say shaq would have won it with any guard at that time. So why didnt he win with eddie jones? Hes average. What about penny, he was average too right? Let me guess, its the coach right? But in Orlando the coach was good enough to get them to the finals, but not good enough to win it all right?

a non-factor in game 1, 5 ast, 2 blocks, 14 pts, and you are not a factor? the opposing 2 guard, a sure shot hall of famer, goes 1 for 16, and no one gets credit for that? are you kidding me? Yall dudes wont give kobe credit for anything. If thats the case, you might as well let Shaq just play against Indian by himself. Thats the way you are making it sound, like no one else on the court mattered except Shaq.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Gotta go with KOBE! If it's 5 tics left and I need a bucket I call on no. 24! If I need the other teams best perimeter player shut down I put Kob on him! And I'm a Piston fan so I'm not biased!

LBJ has been on a shot-blocking spree..I give him my vote.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

MVP

Get up Ninja, I'm not done with u yet!

"Kneel before ZOD!!

 

[Spectrum]

and game 4? Kobe gets no credit for his defense? So what you are saying is that you take kobe off and replace him with vince or t-mac, and they still win? Really, you think so? .

damn man..you had to name the two guys that I really don't like.

However, on that particular teams and that year...yes...they still would have won and Kobe wasn't a great defender in 2000.... both Jalen Rose and Reggie put up big numbers.. You keep naming one bad Reggie game as if it illustrates that Kobe played great defense. Miller had great looks and just started the game fucking cold...that's it. The guards for Indiana didn't get shut down. Actually Rose and Reggie averaged 50 points a game... the story of the series was about a super dominant Shaq...dude averaged damn near 40 points and 20 rebounds

Yall Kobe fans get too defensive about Kobe. We aren't talking about title 2 or title 3. We're talking about title number 1... and Kobe was just a role player in that series that could have been replaced with the average 2 guard and they would have won. Dude was one of three player supporting players average a bit over double digits in scoring and were there to support Shaq...and I didnt say it was ONLY Shaq.. but he clearly dominated that series.... it was Shaq combined with Phil Jackson's system...

 

[TimRock]

damn man..you had to name the two guys that I really don't like.

However, on that particular teams and that year...yes...they still would have won

come one man, dont do that. we not talking about time frames. It doesnt matter which team. the question is, why didnt shaq win the title with those 2 guards. they were both average, maybe even a little above average (both were all stars) at one time. But yet, they werent the ones with the rings in the end. So please tell me, why didnt shaq win with eddie jones and penny. I dont want to hear the other teams were too good, or the coaching was bad, etc.

Also, you keep avoiding game 4. was kobe not a factor in that game? yes or no? And keep in mind, this is the finals where every game counts. So dont say, "oh, thats the only game". Because there have been numerous accounts where guys would step up and hit big shots, and then the next game, do nothing. But, without those big shots, would they have still won that game?

Again, 1 game in the finals matters. So if reggie doesnt have a 1 for 16 shooting night, and the pacers win, it matters right? 1 game makes difference.

 

[Jaysoulful]

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[TimRock]

Yall Kobe fans get too defensive about Kobe. We aren't talking about title 2 or title 3. We're talking about title number 1... and Kobe was just a role player in that series that could have been replaced with the average 2 guard and they would have won. Dude was one of three player supporting players average a bit over double digits in scoring and were there to support Shaq...and I didnt say it was ONLY Shaq.. but he clearly dominated that series.... it was Shaq combined with Phil Jackson's system...

not getting defensive at all. I just want to hear some honesty. I gave you an example of shaq playing with average 2 guards and not winning it all. what was the reason for that? After i get those answers, i probably wont even come back in here.

And i agree, shaq was dominant, and deserved everything he got. But i dont agree with kobe being a non factor in the 2000 finals. If you secure a victory for your team, you are a factor. I also dont agree with the theory that you can replace kobe with any 2 guard and they still win those titles. So for arguments sake, replace wade with Iverson, jason richardson, joe johnson or ray allen, does miami still win?

 

[cli-terminator]

Lebron is clearly the MVP, the caves are #1 in the East, without Lebron this team would probably have 12 wins all season, but with Lebron their 50-13, enough said

Wade is having a hell of a season, but his team might not make it out of the 1st rd of the playoffs

as for Kobe he's having a good season, but he has good players around him, if there was no such thing as LBJ he's the MVP but with Lebron and the cavs having the SAME EXACT RECORD as the lakers this late in the season, its beyond obvious Lebron is the better player

Exactly. Kobe clearly has the better squad but shares the same record as the Cavs. The Cavs have been destroying teams even especially at home. Remove Kobe & the Lakers can still get a W with Odom & Gasol but the remove LBJ & the Cavs are lucky if they don't get blown out against competitive teams.

 

[MoneyInTheBank]

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!! GREAT HUSTLE !!
But, the replay clearly showed that Lebron hit dude on the arm ... it was a foul.​

 

[Spectrum]

come one man, dont do that. we not talking about time frames.

It doesnt matter which team. the question is, why didnt shaq win the title with those 2 guards. they were both average,e? yes or no? A
Again, 1 game in the finals matters.

So if reggie doesnt have a 1 for 16 shooting night, and the pacers win, it matters right? 1 game makes difference.

Again. Did you actually watch game. Reggie Miller having a fucked up shooting night has nothing to do with Kobe unless Kobe directly was the reason he had a bad shooting night. Reggie had good clean looks the entire game and was just broke in game 1. It had nothing to do with Kobe. This is a flawed argument fundamentally. You're trying to give credit to Kobe for something that he didn't accomplish.

No one is avoiding Game 4. Shaq was still the dominant player in the game...and If you're gonna try to give Kobe credit for game 1...why aren't you going to give him the credit in game 4 for Reggie dropping 35 that game.

I swear Kobe fans are revisionists, have selective memory, and selectively choose choose when to attribute things to Kobe and when not to.

and we ARE talking about time frames. One that 2000 team, the only person unable to be replaced was Shaq. And the key was not the personal changes you keep mentioning..the key was the COACHING changes that got the most out of Shaq and his supporting cast..

 

[Spectrum]

not getting defensive at all. I just want to hear some honesty. I gave you an example of shaq playing with average 2 guards and not winning it all. what was the reason for that? After i get those answers, i probably wont even come back in here.

I gave the answer in another post here. As with Jordan... the problem wasn't a personnel problem..it was a coaching issue. Look at what happened when Phil Jackson was brought in...for both Jordan and with Shaq...

Let me clarity... if non-factor is too strong a word. Shaq was the overriding factor in the 2000 NBA finals..it was one of the most dominant Fina''s performances in NBA history...everyone else, include Kobe, were merely role players. Shaq averagesdmore than 23 points more than the next nearest player and over 10 rebounds more than the next nearest player.... end thread.

and why are you talking about Miami. We are specifically talking about the 99-2000 Lakers team..any other year is irrelevant

 

[MoneyInTheBank]

Wade gets 50, Heat rally twice to win in 3OT

38 minutes ago

MIAMI (AP)—Dwyane Wade had a day for the ages. So did the rest of the Miami Heat.

Wade finished with 50 points, 10 rebounds and nine assists, Jermaine O’Neal added 28 points and eight rebounds, and the Heat pulled off two huge last-ditch rallies before beating the Utah Jazz in a triple-overtime epic, 140-29 on Saturday afternoon.

The Heat erased a seven-point deficit in the final 55 seconds of regulation to force the extra period, then gave up the first eight points of the first overtime before roaring back again.

The second overtime had five ties, the last coming when Deron Williams hit a jumper with 3.4 seconds left.

But the Jazz wouldn’t take the lead again, and Wade sealed it with a pair of foul shots with 44.4 seconds left—tying his career-high in scoring on a day when he passed Alonzo Mourning to become the franchise’s leading scorer, and set new bests in field goals made (19) and attempted (39).

Mario Chalmers scored 23 points for Miami, which shot 35-for-39 from the foul line and moved a season-high seven games over .500 (36-29). The Heat also got back within 1 1/2 games of Atlanta for fourth place in the Eastern Conference, and improved to 5-0 in overtime this season.

Williams scored 30 points and had 13 assists for the Jazz, who also got a season-high 25 points from Kyle Korver, along with seven rebounds and six assists. Carlos Boozer finished with 20 points and 13 rebounds for the Jazz.

“We made them work for everything,” Wade said. “It was a total team effort.”

It was just the third triple-overtime game in Heat history, the first coming Nov. 20, 1992, at Philadelphia, where Miami will play on Sunday to start a stretch of nine road matchups in their next 12 games.

Utah seemed on the cusp of winning twice, first in regulation, then again in the first overtime.

Of course, by the time the game ended, those leads seemed like distant memories.

In regulation, the Jazz led 107-100 with 55 seconds left, before getting outscored 7-0 in the final moments. Chalmers made two free throws, Wade found Udonis Haslem for a dunk on the next Miami possession, and suddenly it was 107-104. O’Neal blocked a dunk by Paul Millsap at the other end, and James Jones made three free throws in the final 16.3 seconds.

Williams had a chance to win it at the buzzer of regulation, but missed a 20-footer over Wade.

They were just getting started.

The first overtime began with Korver and Mehmet Okur each making a 3-pointer from the left corner in the opening minutes, and the Jazz were up 115-107 with 1:45 left. Back came Miami—Wade found O’Neal for a basket inside, scored the next four points himself, and Haslem tied it with two free throws with 22.1 seconds remaining.

The early start—11 a.m. for those watching in Salt Lake City—did nothing to slow the Jazz.

Utah made 12 of its first 18 shots and ran out to a 29-19 lead after the first quarter, in which it outrebounded Miami 14-6 and held the Heat to 38 percent shooting.

Andrei Kirilenko scored the first basket of the second quarter for a 31-19 Utah lead, which was significant: The Jazz hadn’t lost any game this season in which they led by more than 10 points.

Slowly, the Heat clawed back.

Wade scored 10 points in the second quarter and Miami got within two points twice, before Ronnie Brewer’s score with 2.6 seconds left gave Utah a 55-51 lead at the half.

Wade scored 10 more in the third, the Heat scored 32 points for the second straight quarter, and took an 83-80 lead into the final period.

Little did anyone know at that point, the game was really just beginning.

 

[thereason]

Wade gets 50, Heat rally twice to win in 3OT

38 minutes ago

MIAMI (AP)—Dwyane Wade had a day for the ages. So did the rest of the Miami Heat.

Wade finished with 50 points, 10 rebounds and nine assists, Jermaine O’Neal added 28 points and eight rebounds, and the Heat pulled off two huge last-ditch rallies before beating the Utah Jazz in a triple-overtime epic, 140-29 on Saturday afternoon.

The Heat erased a seven-point deficit in the final 55 seconds of regulation to force the extra period, then gave up the first eight points of the first overtime before roaring back again.

The second overtime had five ties, the last coming when Deron Williams hit a jumper with 3.4 seconds left.

But the Jazz wouldn’t take the lead again, and Wade sealed it with a pair of foul shots with 44.4 seconds left—tying his career-high in scoring on a day when he passed Alonzo Mourning to become the franchise’s leading scorer, and set new bests in field goals made (19) and attempted (39).

Mario Chalmers scored 23 points for Miami, which shot 35-for-39 from the foul line and moved a season-high seven games over .500 (36-29). The Heat also got back within 1 1/2 games of Atlanta for fourth place in the Eastern Conference, and improved to 5-0 in overtime this season.

Williams scored 30 points and had 13 assists for the Jazz, who also got a season-high 25 points from Kyle Korver, along with seven rebounds and six assists. Carlos Boozer finished with 20 points and 13 rebounds for the Jazz.

“We made them work for everything,” Wade said. “It was a total team effort.”

It was just the third triple-overtime game in Heat history, the first coming Nov. 20, 1992, at Philadelphia, where Miami will play on Sunday to start a stretch of nine road matchups in their next 12 games.

Utah seemed on the cusp of winning twice, first in regulation, then again in the first overtime.

Of course, by the time the game ended, those leads seemed like distant memories.

In regulation, the Jazz led 107-100 with 55 seconds left, before getting outscored 7-0 in the final moments. Chalmers made two free throws, Wade found Udonis Haslem for a dunk on the next Miami possession, and suddenly it was 107-104. O’Neal blocked a dunk by Paul Millsap at the other end, and James Jones made three free throws in the final 16.3 seconds.

Williams had a chance to win it at the buzzer of regulation, but missed a 20-footer over Wade.

They were just getting started.

The first overtime began with Korver and Mehmet Okur each making a 3-pointer from the left corner in the opening minutes, and the Jazz were up 115-107 with 1:45 left. Back came Miami—Wade found O’Neal for a basket inside, scored the next four points himself, and Haslem tied it with two free throws with 22.1 seconds remaining.

The early start—11 a.m. for those watching in Salt Lake City—did nothing to slow the Jazz.

Utah made 12 of its first 18 shots and ran out to a 29-19 lead after the first quarter, in which it outrebounded Miami 14-6 and held the Heat to 38 percent shooting.

Andrei Kirilenko scored the first basket of the second quarter for a 31-19 Utah lead, which was significant: The Jazz hadn’t lost any game this season in which they led by more than 10 points.

Slowly, the Heat clawed back.

Wade scored 10 points in the second quarter and Miami got within two points twice, before Ronnie Brewer’s score with 2.6 seconds left gave Utah a 55-51 lead at the half.

Wade scored 10 more in the third, the Heat scored 32 points for the second straight quarter, and took an 83-80 lead into the final period.

Little did anyone know at that point, the game was really just beginning.

my boss was sleepin so i was tryin not to wake her cheering during this game, Fuckin Wade did it again

 

[Spectrum]

damn.. Lebron drop 51 and Wade comes right back with 50..

 

[MoneyInTheBank]

damn.. Lebron drop 51 and Wade comes right back with 50..

 

[Gazoo]

This one's going to go down to the wire. I went for Lebron.

 

[TimRock]

Again. Did you actually watch game. Reggie Miller having a fucked up shooting night has nothing to do with Kobe unless Kobe directly was the reason he had a bad shooting night. Reggie had good clean looks the entire game and was just broke in game 1. It had nothing to do with Kobe. This is a flawed argument fundamentally. You're trying to give credit to Kobe for something that he didn't accomplish.

No one is avoiding Game 4. Shaq was still the dominant player in the game...and If you're gonna try to give Kobe credit for game 1...why aren't you going to give him the credit in game 4 for Reggie dropping 35 that game.

I swear Kobe fans are revisionists, have selective memory, and selectively choose choose when to attribute things to Kobe and when not to.

and we ARE talking about time frames. One that 2000 team, the only person unable to be replaced was Shaq. And the key was not the personal changes you keep mentioning..the key was the COACHING changes that got the most out of Shaq and his supporting cast..

you still havent answered the question, was kobe a factor in game 4?

 

[TimRock]

and why are you talking about Miami. We are specifically talking about the 99-2000 Lakers team..any other year is irrelevant

I bring up miami, because you make it sound like shaq with a bunch of other players, no matter who it is, can win a title. So i ask again, why was he unable to win with eddie and penny as his 2 guards? And your answer is, the coaches, right? I got it. Thanks.

 

[ak_rep]

I bring up miami, because you make it sound like shaq with a bunch of other players, no matter who it is, can win a title. So i ask again, why was he unable to win with eddie and penny as his 2 guards? And your answer is, the coaches, right? I got it. Thanks.

Because Rick Smits used to light his ass up.

Along with a host of other centers: Hakeem Olajuwon especially.

The league used to feature "true centers" when Shaq was younger.

And Shaq would get his too but he (or his coaching staff) got out smarted on several occasions.

Shaq matured a lot and he learned how to pass out of double teams, stay out of foul trouble and expanded his shooting range a bit.

 

[cranrab]

game 4 - shaq fouls out, kobe comes thru in the clutch with 2 jump shots and a tip in, but that wasnt needed right, cause they would have won anyway.

hold up a fucking minute.

G4 shaquille o'neal drops 36 pts and 21 rebounds, fouling out halfway through OT with the fakers ahead 112-109 and you're saying tobe is the reason for the W? i've heard it all, now.

reggie miller didn't hang 35 on someone that night either, i suppose.

on top of that, wasn't BRIAN SHAW's rebound and putback (making it 118-115 fakers) of tobe's airball WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE HUGE?

 

[Spectrum]

hold up a fucking minute.

G4 shaquille o'neal drops 36 pts and 21 rebounds, fouling out halfway through OT with the fakers ahead 112-109 and you're saying tobe is the reason for the W? i've heard it all, now.

reggie miller didn't hang 35 on someone that night either, i suppose.

on top of that, wasn't BRIAN SHAW's rebound and putback (making it 118-115 fakers) of tobe's airball WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE HUGE?

Crab... it's revisionist history...every time....

 

[Spectrum]

you still havent answered the question, was kobe a factor in game 4?

I already did. But I'm not going to even repost again.. Cran just answered it for you again

hold up a fucking minute.

G4 shaquille o'neal drops 36 pts and 21 rebounds, fouling out halfway through OT with the fakers ahead 112-109 and you're saying tobe is the reason for the W? i've heard it all, now.

reggie miller didn't hang 35 on someone that night either, i suppose.

on top of that, wasn't BRIAN SHAW's rebound and putback (making it 118-115 fakers) of tobe's airball WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE HUGE?

 

[Spectrum]

I bring up miami, because you make it sound like shaq with a bunch of other players, no matter who it is, can win a title. So i ask again, why was he unable to win with eddie and penny as his 2 guards? And your answer is, the coaches, right? I got it. Thanks.

So it's just luck that Shaq has gone to the finals with 3 different team...and less than two years after leaving the Lakers he was holding an NBA Title trophy again?n

You're using a straw man argument. I never said that Shaq, with ANY players, could win a title. I said that on the 2000 Lakers team... especially considering Kobe only averaging 15 points a game.. you could have interchanged him with the average to above average two guard in the league and they would have still won a title..and don't come with teh bullshit about his killer "defense"... Rose and Miller averaged 25 a game so Kobe didnd't do shit on D.

 

[TimRock]

hold up a fucking minute.

G4 shaquille o'neal drops 36 pts and 21 rebounds, fouling out halfway through OT with the fakers ahead 112-109 and you're saying tobe is the reason for the W? i've heard it all, now.

I said that Kobe was the reason for the win, or did i say he was a factor? Please show me where I said kobe was the reason for this win. If you can't, its understandable. Let me know.

reggie miller didn't hang 35 on someone that night either, i suppose.

I never said anything about kobes defense in this particular game on Reggie? Did I? Again, show me this comment.

on top of that, wasn't BRIAN SHAW's rebound and putback (making it 118-115 fakers) of tobe's airball WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE HUGE?

so the 2 jump shots he hit, werent huge as well? I don't understand, how can Brians put back be huge, but kobes 2 shots, not be. Explain. Thanks.

But before you do that, let me say this. You usually post facts and can always back up everything you say, but can you please tell me why you are lying? I know your memory is very good when it comes to kobe and his mishaps, but this time, you are just lying. Answer this question for me, you see your quote above about Shaws put back off of kobes airball? I want you to think really hard. Was it kobes airball or Rices' airball? Please get back to me on this.

 

[TimRock]

I already did. But I'm not going to even repost again.. Cran just answered it for you again

i dont see an answer, i see some comments about shaws put back and a missed shot by kobe, but no mention of his two shots? All i want is a simple yes or no, why is that so hard?

 

[TimRock]

I never said that Shaq, with ANY players, could win a title. I said that on the 2000 Lakers team

Thank you.

 

[cranrab]

Mvp

and game 4? Kobe gets no credit for his defense? So what you are saying is that you take kobe off and replace him with vince or t-mac, and they still win? Really, you think so? Yeah, those guys can score, but are they good defenders?

I never said anything about kobes defense in this particular game on Reggie? Did I? Again, show me this comment.

If you secure a victory for your team, you are a factor.

I said that Kobe was the reason for the win, or did i say he was a factor? Please show me where I said kobe was the reason for this win.

in the above quote, you suggest that tobe secured the victory. did tobe secure it a victory moreso than robert horry, shaquille o'neal or brian shaw?

so the 2 jump shots he hit, werent huge as well? I don't understand, how can Brians put back be huge, but kobes 2 shots, not be. Explain.

now i can play your little game. show me where i wrote that any of tobe's shots were not huge. i'll wait.

but i'll take the high road and address your insinuation directly. brian shaw's putback was EQUALLY significant as tobe's putback moments later. not less, not more. and i'll even volunteer to go a little further. YES, brian shaw's putback (and tobe's, since you would probably complain if i didn't mention it) is MORE signficant than tobe's 1-on-1 jumpshots. why? because offensive rebounds are difficult to come by in the half court, and the ensuing field goal changed the entire strategy of the possession game.

I know your memory is very good when it comes to kobe and his mishaps, but this time, you are just lying. Was it kobes airball or Rices' airball?

you are CORRECT. i was MISTAKEN. brian shaw rebounded glen rice's airball. rik smits had roofed tobe on the play prior, which lead to the fresh inbounds and glen rice airball. i lumped those 2 together. my deepest apologies.

EDIT: i do find it amusing that people fixate on the OT without asking how the game arrived at OT in the first place. it's also interesting to note that people can shower tobe with superlatives for his OT performance even though shaquille o'neal handed over a 3 pt advantage before fouling out. as far as "clutch" performances go, i'd be hard pressed to say that tobe's G4 performance in OT was more "clutch" than rik smits'.

 

[TimRock]

Re: Mvp

in the above quote, you suggest that tobe secured the victory. did tobe secure it a victory moreso than robert horry, shaquille o'neal or brian shaw?

those were questions being asked individually, not in relation to game 4 totally. Go back and read Eewlll and i conversation. I asked about game 4, and the defense question was in relation to game 1. You usually pay close attention, im surprised.

you are CORRECT. i was MISTAKEN. brian shaw rebounded glen rice's airball. rik smits had roofed tobe on the play prior, which lead to the fresh inbounds and glen rice airball. i lumped those 2 together. my deepest apologies.

mistake, yeah i know. you didnt mistakenly say harper, sally or fox, you had to say kobe right? BS.

EDIT: i do find it amusing that people fixate on the OT without asking how the game arrived at OT in the first place. it's also interesting to note that people can shower tobe with superlatives for his OT performance even though shaquille o'neal handed over a 3 pt advantage before fouling out. as far as "clutch" performances go, i'd be hard pressed to say that tobe's G4 performance in OT was more "clutch" than rik smits'.

Yeah, you would come back with a statement like this just to get off the fact that you lied. And for what?

 

[Spectrum]

i dont see an answer, i see some comments about shaws put back and a missed shot by kobe, but no mention of his two shots? All i want is a simple yes or no, why is that so hard?

It's not. It's a loaded question. I never said Kobe was a complete non-factor in game 4 specifically. However, it's clear than Shaq was the major factor that contributed to the win. I said Kobe was a complete non-factor in games like game 1 and game 2 of the series where if he literally didn't play (andhe barely did in game 2) the lakers would have won anyway. So no, he was not a complete non-factor in game 4 specifically....however, that doesn't change the overall point I made about that series.

 

[cranrab]

Re: Mvp

mistake, yeah i know. you didnt mistakenly say harper, sally or fox, you had to say kobe right? BS.

Yeah, you would come back with a statement like this just to get off the fact that you lied. And for what?

let's see.

i stated that you were correct.

i admitted that i was mistaken.

i apologized for my error.

but you conclude i lied.

makes perfect sense.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Re: Mvp

KING JAMES FOR MVP!!!​

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Re: Mvp

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Mvp

Lebron went off again... 43-12-8 clutch in the 4th to get the win against the Magic

 

[P.V. Estates]

looking at d.wade's record of 36-30, he's not a valid contender as of now. Lebron N Kobe are really two good choices but, not only do i feel kobe is doing a better job i'm a biased Lakers fan who feels like kobe was robbed 05-06.

 

[gene cisco]

Fuck is wrong with BGOL?

Kobe has great help and a world class coach.

Wade? Bron been there done that.

You fucks are sickening, you disgust me.

Lebron is MVP. And no you can't put wade or kobe on the cavs and keep it moving.

Fuck is wrong with BGOL? I know sports aint shit without debate, but lets not debate obvious shit.

What team will win the finals? Cavs, celts or lakers. That is a debate.

Who is mvp? No debate. Lebron or GTFOH. Ol' skip bayless argue your name is skip bayless lookin as muthafuckas