Warning to all flyers! Do not fly on Boeing 777's

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Airliners to keep flying despite safety warning
High probability of more engine failures, says watchdog
British Airways Boeing 777 plane that landed short of the runway at Heathrow



Dozens of passenger jets using Heathrow have a potentially fatal engine flaw, creating a “high probability” of another failure like the one that caused last year’s British Airways crash, according to the American air safety watchdog.

Rolls-Royce, which makes the engines, is working on a safety modification but the Boeing 777s will remain in service with the flaw for another 18 months.

Until the change is made, more than 220 Boeing 777s with Rolls-Royce engines, including 15 operated by BA, will continue to be vulnerable to ice in the fuel supply causing a loss of power in the engines.


The US National Transportation Safety Board highlighted the danger in a report yesterday
. The British Air Accidents Investigation Branch also issued a report yesterday on the problem but avoided mentioning the continuing risk to passengers.

The 152 people on board a BA 777 had a narrow escape in January last year when the aircraft lost power in both engines during final approach and crashed on to grass just inside Heathrow’s perimeter fence. The aircraft’s landing gear was ripped off but only one passenger was seriously hurt thanks to the skills of co-pilot John Coward and Captain Peter Burkill.

Another 777 with Rolls-Royce engines, operated by Delta Airlines, lost engine power in almost exactly the same way last November after ice blocked the fuel supply. The pilots managed to take emergency action to correct the failure, known as engine rollback. This incident occurred despite Boeing introducing new safety procedures last September that it claimed had solved the problem.

The US safety board said yesterday: “With two of these rollback events occurring within a year, we believe that there is a high probability of something similar happening again.” It said that “the only acceptable solution to this safety vulnerability” was to redesign the flawed component in the engine.

Rolls-Royce admitted that the component, the fuel/oil heat exchanger, was flawed but said that the replacement part had to be tested and certified and would not be ready for installation for up to 12 more months.

Other airlines operating 777s with Rolls-Royce engines include Singapore Airlines and American Airlines.

The board recommended that airlines should be compelled to fit the new part within six months of it being available for installation, meaning that 777s could continue flying with the flaw until August next year.

Rolls-Royce is hoping to accelerate the modification programme to begin installation before next winter, when the risk of ice forming in the fuel system is much greater. It declined, however, to set any deadline for removing the flawed components. “We are working closely with the relevant airworthiness authorities to certify and deliver this modification as soon as possible,” it said in a statement.

British Airways said that it would not be withdrawing any 777s from service. “Absolutely not. That’s not something that’s been suggested in any of the reports,” a spokesman said, adding: “We wouldn’t operate any aircraft if it was unsafe to do so.”

The spokesman said that BA, in common with all operators of 777s with Rolls-Royce engines, had taken a number of actions to reduce the risk of ice building up in the fuel supply, including ordering pilots to accelerate at certain points on long flights through cold air to increase fuel supply.

The board said that the precautions, while reducing the risk of engine power loss, could be a dangerous distraction for pilots. “They add complexity to flight crew operations. Because the recovery procedure requires a descent, the aircraft may be exposed to other risks,” it said.

In a separate report on the BA crash, the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch said that more research was needed into why ice accumulated in the fuel supply.It said that mixing an anti-icing additive into aviation fuel was one possible solution but this “has many drawbacks”, including the need for more regular maintenance.

The problem of ice blockages has grown in recent years with the popularity of ultra-long-haul flights over the poles, meaning that many more aircraft are flying at a high altitude in extremely cold air for several hours.
 


it's amazing how they want to keep going for the next 18months but would not want to be liable.

Fuck dying over some shit.

If it costs extra i'll take the next airline and i'm not booking until i know what type of plane flies the route.

At teh end of the day our lives is not worth as much as that CEO bonus for reducing costs.......

I swear I will haunt all of them if I die on one of their planes.....


:hmm:
 
one time I flew on a 757 Delta flight to ATL...the wing had a hole in it the size I could stick my foot through:yes:..I sat just looking at it seriously thinking about getting off that flight but we made it !:lol::smh::hmm:
 
it's amazing how they want to keep going for the next 18months but would not want to be liable.

Fuck dying over some shit.

If it costs extra i'll take the next airline and i'm not booking until i know what type of plane flies the route.

At teh end of the day our lives is not worth as much as that CEO bonus for reducing costs.......

I swear I will haunt all of them if I die on one of their planes.....


:hmm:

word brother k

and i always see what kind of plane im flying on before I book a trip

do they not recall airplanes????

and they are flying these planes in the upcoming winter although the engines are freezing

unreal!
 
one time I flew on a 757 Delta flight to ATL...the wing had a hole in it the size I could stick my foot through:yes:..I sat just looking at it seriously thinking about getting off that flight but we made it !:lol::smh::hmm:

yo that shit wouldve freaked me the fuck out
 
word brother k

and i always see what kind of plane im flying on before I book a trip

do they not recall airplanes????

and they are flying these planes in the upcoming winter although the engines are freezing

unreal!


I'm hiding out in the south east for now but still.....

Even my mom called to talk to me about flying cause she knows I love to fly at least once a month


:smh:
 
My parents work for American and you'd be surprised the amount of defects that these planes have that are known.

Having a plane grounded is like pulling teeth.
 
why can't they just pre-heat the fuel lines ?

I know I'm way oversimplifying the problem but anything above 32 degrees (freezing) would be good right ?

Jet fuel won't flash until 100 or more so they could pre-heat the tanks and lines to 34 degrees and call it a day ? :dunno:
 
My parents work for American and you'd be surprised the amount of defects that these planes have that are known.

Having a plane grounded is like pulling teeth.

I was about to say that. I'm an ex airline employee too, boy if folks only knew.:smh:
 
one time I flew on a 757 Delta flight to ATL...the wing had a hole in it the size I could stick my foot through:yes:..I sat just looking at it seriously thinking about getting off that flight but we made it !:lol::smh::hmm:

Damn, I would have been more than upset..
 
i work for Delta and let me tell you the way the economy is people just aint flying like they use to.So grounding planes is not gonna happen.So if there is ground damage to the plane or the nose gear looks fucked up,if it can be patched up and deemed safe to fly its going to fly.The shit i see scares me but not to the point where i wont fly for free.
 
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