Why do African Americans believe Africans just "allowed" slaves to be taken???

[water]

The Trans-Atlantic slave trade would not have been possible on that scale were it not for the complicity of Africans. Detach yourself emotionally for a minute and think about it from an economics standpoint. Would it have been profitable for Europeans to have to capture slaves every time that went into Africa? They would have had to navigate an unfamiliar, hostile landscape and risk their lives doing so. On top of that they would not be guaranteed to capture any slaves. It would not have been economically feasible. Bottom line is that it was a business, a business that was profitable for both Europeans and Africans.

Using logic to figure out what happened is counter-productive especially when the facts are readily available.


Some posters come in her giving their opinion based on their logic.

TheDarkMind is out of his mind but at least he tries with links etc...


How many more times are we going to rationalize what happened based on our logic when the facts are clear?

What they taught you in school is for their benefit

 

[HustleHardah]

Change the title of this thread! I noticed you always single out one ethnicity, but in reality every black person outside of Africa knows Africans played a big fuckin part in slavery.

 

[DarkVoid]

The white apologists' theories for the Triangle Slave Trade are some of the most, vile, saddest, self-hatingest, hurtful things I have ever seen.

There is no way that people who were accustomed to rituals in warfare, and conventions regarding the taking and treatment of prisoners, could conceive of the brutality that would take place once they relinquished those prisoners to white "traders".

That is not to say that it may have changed their agreements with the traders, or negated them outright, but it is known that there was generally honor in warfare, and the brutalities that were perpetrated by the white slavetraders were not those Africans who took slaves, or may have traded in slaves.

It's a simple concept, and is shameful that there are people here who can't make a distinction.

There is wrongdoing and there is utter inhumanity ... there is a large difference.

Co-sign

 

[wutamess]

Peace... but I gotta say, that statement below is unbridled bullshit.

I made this analogy in a previous post, but it fits here too. Say, your daughter is brutally brutally brutally raped, almost to the point of death. It's so bad that it fucks her up emotionally and mentally for the rest of her life. Thing is, she gets pregnant from the rape, and for whatever reason, she has the baby.


Fast forwrad 25 years... the baby that was the product of the rape that ruined your daughters life is now a adult, and has developed into a genius... he or she is responsible for many advances in medicine that will better people's lives around the globe. He/she discovers a cure for cancer and a cure for AIDS, and for the heck of it, let's say that your daughter had one of those diseases and was cured by her child's discovery. There is no question that the world is a better place as a direct result of your grandchild's existence.

Remember, this grandchild is the direct result of a brutal attack that ruined your daughter's life. With his/her accomplishments in mind, would you say that the rape wasn't all bad? Would you tell your daughter "hey, that serum saved your life, and it wouldn't exist if you hadn't been raped, so that worked out pretty nicely for you" ?

GTFOH with your analogies!
I'm not diminishing the atrocities our ancestors went through 500+ years ago. What I am saying is... YOUR (and the other posters) pro black asses don't want to see no parts of living in Africa. Talk all the slick shit you want about how our people were done, etc but the truth of the matter is... YOU'RE HERE because of what THEY went through.

Of course we aren't a perfect country but you have millions of people willing to die to escape their country (Cuba has free healthcare) and experience what YOU & I take for granted.

If I had to pick some fuggin cotton for most of my life so my kids and our entire race would be in a better place down the line, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Even though the slaves had it much horrible than just picking cotton that's more reason to take responsibility and to not let their mishaps go in vain.

Did they suffer one of the worst plights faced by man? YES.
Did you benefit greatly from it? YES.

That's my point.

 

[water]

No Africans did not STAND BY when the European Shipping Magnates showed up looking to get involved in the SLAVE TRADE!

Nope that's not how it went down!

It went down like this, African Warlords and Despots would take their enemies & POWs from Tribal Wars and conflicts and then sell them off into slavery to the Europeans that wanted to capitalize on Slave Trade with the New World. The Countries that dominated the Shipping Industry during that time were Italy, Spain, and Portugal.

Pasty-ass, pale-ass, Crackas from Europe didn't round up Slaves in Sub-Saharan Africa where Temperatures hit 100 Deg.+ all the time.

Sellout-ass, Stupid-Ass Warlords would use the Slave Trade to weaken Tribes that they thought were a threat to their own Tribe, and to weaken their enemies and claim lands that were vacated and devastated due to the numbers of slaves being taken.

Ninjas in America complain about Bush, but don't say SHIT about the warlords and despots in Africa that SOLD US TO THE WHITE MAN knowing that we would end up in Slavery in the New World.

Am I wrong Kaya?

Grade me on a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being wack and CRAZY and 10 being 100% correct.

You can grade yourself at the end................



Continuing.................


Portugal was the world's most powerful military having the largest naval fleet.

They came in setting up trading posts for goods.

They established naval bases on the coastlines of Africa

Expeditions were sponsored to go into the INTERIOR of the continent.

In 1505, they destroyed the city-state of Kilwa.

By 1513, Portugal ran a virtual monopoly on the Slave trade via their superior firepower.

At this point there was NO cooperation by Africans.





1415 - Portuguese forces conquer Ceuta and gain a foothold in Africa

c. 1418 - Portuguese Prince Henry the Navigator establishes a naval exploration base at Sagres on Cape Saint Vincent and begins to sponsor explorations of Africa's coasts.

1505 - Portuguese forces led by Francisco de Almeida destroy the African city-state of Kilwa when its leader Ibrahim refuses to pay tribute.


1513 - The Spanish government approves special licenses permitting the trade in enslaved Africans in San Juan Bautista. By 1518, extensive traffic in enslaved Africans takes place on the island.


1528 - In Africa, Askia Mohammed I's rule of Songhai (Songhay) Empire ends.




What is the Songay Empire?



Let's take a look:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire

The Songhai Empire, also known as the Songhay Empire, was a pre-colonial African state of west Africa. From the early 15th to the late 16th century, Songhai was one of the largest African empires in history

Its base of power was on the bend of the Niger River in present day Niger and Burkina Faso.

The first great emperor of Songhai was Sonni Ali, reigning from about 1464 to 1493. Ali was a Muslim like the Mali kings before him

While a Muslim in faith, Ali did not impose Islamic policy on non-Islamic peoples and instead, allowed and acknowledged the observance of traditional African religion and practices as well.



So here we have the very first distinction from chattel Slavery.

NO ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO WIPE AWAY THE RELIGION OF PEOPLES HE CONQUERED IN EXPANDING HIS EMPIRE.


Continuing:


The Songhai economy was based on a traditional caste system. The clan a person belonged to ultimately decided their occupation. The most common castes were metalworkers, fishermen, and carpenters. Lower caste participants consisted of mostly non-farm working slaves, who at times were provided special privileges and held high positions in society. At the top were nobleman and direct descendants of the original Songhai people, followed by freemen and traders. At the bottom were war captives and slaves obligated to labor, especially in farming. James Olson describes the labor system as resembling modern day unions, with the empire possessing craft guilds that consisted of various mechanics and artisans



MYTH: Was it too hot for Europeans to go into the interior?

FACT: 1520s - The Kongo (Congo) kingdom in central West Africa becomes Portugal's primary source of enslaved Africans for trade.

FACT: King Leopold of Belgium later colonized the entire Congo for himself on behalf of Belgium


FACT: The sun has not gotten hotter in the last 300 years



How is your grade shaping up?

 

[Spectrum]

YOUR (and the other posters) pro black asses don't want to see no parts of living in Africa.

Have you ever been to any country on the continent of Africa? I have and even made threads with pics on this very board. I live overseas now and there are several places in Africa I would live...that are beautiful, clean, economically viable, with warm friendly people....etc.... You must believe the entire continent is a wasteland or something

 

[wutamess]

The white apologists' theories for the Triangle Slave Trade are some of the most, vile, saddest, self-hatingest, hurtful things I have ever seen.

There is no way that people who were accustomed to rituals in warfare, and conventions regarding the taking and treatment of prisoners, could conceive of the brutality that would take place once they relinquished those prisoners to white "traders".

That is not to say that it may have changed their agreements with the traders, or negated them outright, but it is known that there was generally honor in warfare, and the brutalities that were perpetrated by the white slavetraders were not those Africans who took slaves, or may have traded in slaves.

It's a simple concept, and is shameful that there are people here who can't make a distinction.

There is wrongdoing and there is utter inhumanity ... there is a large difference.

Are you fuggin serious? You got that much pride that you can't honestly see what could've happened?

Have you seen Hotel Rwanda? Or heard about what's happening in Somalia or Darfur?

You can slant it all you want but truth is. Greed by Africans made slavery entirely possible (today and yestercentury).

 

[wutamess]

Have you ever been to any country on the continent of Africa? I have and even made threads with pics on this very board. I live overseas now and there are several places in Africa I would live...that are beautiful, clean, economically viable, with warm friendly people....etc.... You must believe the entire continent is a wasteland or something

No (outside of bahamas/carribean I haven't been outside the states). However, I"m not ignorant enough to not know that it's beautiful in places other than here. My point is this ( I take it you're in the services), when you're done serving, you aren't going to change your citizenship to live in Africa.

Of course it's probably nice to visit but you're not going to give up your American way of living to stress the point.

 

[Spectrum]

My point is this ( I take it you're in the services), when you're done serving, you aren't going to change your citizenship to live in Africa.

Of course it's probably nice to visit but you're not going to give up your American way of living to stress the point.

You need to learn to stop making broad assumptions. Your previous post I commented on was a broad stroke. You then followed it up with another assumption. I'm not in military.

Also, pay attention to what I said in the first post. I live overseas now. I can say many positive things about the U.S. and I can give you a long list of areas where the U.S. suffers critically when it comes to lifestyle and standard of living (and I'm not just talking about economically).

Your view is skewed by limited experiences brah. I've been to more countries (and lived for years overseas)than a majority of people have been to U.S. States so I've long learned the U.S. is not the end-all/be-all in terms of standards of living... as a master of fact, Americans are some of the most depressed, unhealthy, miserable beings I've met in many cases...and not even the wealthiest when you consider the debt loads Americans take on to "show up" the next door neighbor. Again, the U.S. has it great points and I love the U.S. but Americans are too encapsulated by their U.S. centric thinking to understand the world is large and has lots to offer...much that rivals and surpasses the U.S.

I can name one city I've been to in Africa several times that I would move to now over practically any U.S. city...that would be: Capetown. That's just one example.

 

[Manny Styles]

Are you fuggin serious? You got that much pride that you can't honestly see what could've happened?

Have you seen Hotel Rwanda? Or heard about what's happening in Somalia or Darfur?

You can slant it all you want but truth is. Greed by Africans made slavery entirely possible (today and yestercentury).

We're not talking about what "could've" happened according to your idiotic logic, dumbass, but what actually did happen.

Kaya is posting proof all over this thread from "their" history and firsthand accounts, but none of that is relevant to what you think "could've happened".

What happened to research and the scientific process, or just reading and comprehension? Damn!

Do you know the history behind the Rwandan conflict, or any of the others, for that matter?

You all continue to prove that there are way to many dumbasses that need to shut up and learn something before voicing your opinions.

 

[wutamess]

We're not talking about what "could've" happened according to your idiotic logic, dumbass, but what actually did happen.

Kaya is posting proof all over this thread from "their" history and firsthand accounts, but none of that is relevant to what you think "could've happened".

What happened to research and the scientific process, or just reading and comprehension? Damn!

Do you know the history behind the Rwandan conflict, or any of the others, for that matter?

You all continue to prove that there are way to many dumbasses that need to shut up and learn something before voicing your opinions.

So now there has to be a history behind the explanation for today's genocide in African?

I'll stay ignorant if that's the case. You keep making excuses Mr. Knowitall.

 

[wutamess]

You need to learn to stop making broad assumptions. Your previous post I commented on was a broad stroke. You then followed it up with another assumption. I'm not in military.

Also, pay attention to what I said in the first post. I live overseas now. I can say many positive things about the U.S. and I can give you a long list of areas where the U.S. suffers critically when it comes to lifestyle and standard of living (and I'm not just talking about economically).

Your view is skewed by limited experiences brah. I've been to more countries (and lived for years overseas)than a majority of people have been to U.S. States so I've long learned the U.S. is not the end-all/be-all in terms of standards of living... as a master of fact, Americans are some of the most depressed, unhealthy, miserable beings I've met in many cases...and not even the wealthiest when you consider the debt loads Americans take on to "show up" the next door neighbor. Again, the U.S. has it great points and I love the U.S. but Americans are too encapsulated by their U.S. centric thinking to understand the world is large and has lots to offer...much that rivals and surpasses the U.S.

I can name one city I've been to in Africa several times that I would move to now over practically any U.S. city...that would be: Capetown. That's just one example.

Great post... I stand corrected.

 

[Manny Styles]

So now there has to be a history behind the explanation for today's genocide in African?

Like I said, try reading something.

Then again, you can take a shortcut and watch the extras on the DVD of Hotel Rwanda, or check some interviews with Don Cheadle about the movie.

I'll stay ignorant

Or you could do that.

 

[Ron Barcelo]

Using logic to figure out what happened is counter-productive especially when the facts are readily available.


Some posters come in her giving their opinion based on their logic.

TheDarkMind is out of his mind but at least he tries with links etc...


How many more times are we going to rationalize what happened based on our logic when the facts are clear?

What they taught you in school is for their benefit

So you seriously believe that every slave that ever came out of Africa was captured by a white man and that no Africans were ever involved in slave trading? That's absurd.

 

[AtlSportsFan]

You can grade yourself at the end................



Continuing.................

MYTH: Was it too hot for Europeans to go into the interior?

FACT: 1520s - The Kongo (Congo) kingdom in central West Africa becomes Portugal's primary source of enslaved Africans for trade.

FACT: King Leopold of Belgium later colonized the entire Congo for himself on behalf of Belgium


FACT: The sun has not gotten hotter in the last 300 years



How is your grade shaping up?

OK muuufucking "King of Cut-N-Paste"!

You played yourself with that Cut-N-Paste shit from above that you DID NOT TAKE TIME TO READ!

It clearly says that, "the Congo was the primary source of ENSLAVED AFRICANS FOR TRADE"................

That means that they were ALREADY ENSLAVED BY OTHER AFRICANS, Warlords & Despots like I theorized above, and they were sold & traded with the Portuguese BY AFRICANS!

You contradicted yourself with your own Cut-N-Paste bullshit!

Are you still having after-effects from when that Chick slipped you a "Mickey" last Month?

Just because there were Conflicts on the African Continent between "African" Tribes & Countries and European Countries DOES NOT PROVE that Africans should be let off the hook FOR THEIR PART IN THE SLAVE TRADE!

I see you are still caught up in that BULLSHIT MINDSET OF ROMANTICIZING THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA!

 

[KRAYZIE]

Dont ya'll know to never bring a spear to a gun fight

 

[Big Chee]

What it comes down to is that many in here have zero understanding of pre-colonial africa.

To say that African "slavery" was along the lines of "chattel" slavery is utter nonsense, and unfortunately bears the same yoke because the term "slavery" is used for both.

The concept of chattel slavery did not exist among West Africans, in fact, African "slavery" as it's coined was the polar opposite of what took place in the new world.

I'd advice heads to read up on it....

 

[Manny Styles]

What it comes down to is that many in here have zero understanding of pre-colonial africa.

To say that African "slavery" was along the lines of "chattel" slavery is utter nonsense, and unfortunately bears the same yoke because the term "slavery" is used for both.

The concept of chattel slavery did not exist among West Africans, in fact, African "slavery" as it's coined was the polar opposite of what took place in the new world.

I'd advice heads to read up on it....

Read?!

Nah, son, everybody is just going to make up their minds based on what makes sense to them, what could've happened, or what they would've done in the situation.

Did you say read?

That doesn't compute.

 

[water]

OK muuufucking "King of Cut-N-Paste"!

You played yourself with that Cut-N-Paste shit from above that you DID NOT TAKE TIME TO READ!

It clearly says that, "the Congo was the primary source of ENSLAVED AFRICANS FOR TRADE"................

That means that they were ALREADY ENSLAVED BY OTHER AFRICANS, Warlords & Despots like I theorized above, and they were sold & traded with the Portuguese BY AFRICANS!

You contradicted yourself with your own Cut-N-Paste bullshit!

Are you still having after-effects from when that Chick slipped you a "Mickey" last Month?

Just because there were Conflicts on the African Continent between "African" Tribes & Countries and European Countries DOES NOT PROVE that Africans should be let off the hook FOR THEIR PART IN THE SLAVE TRADE!

I see you are still caught up in that BULLSHIT MINDSET OF ROMANTICIZING THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA!

If you had took the time to read what was above what you quoted you would have seen the point I was making but you completely missed it.

Be honest, are you really reading the entire posts critically?


I'll re-post that part here:

You can grade yourself at the end................






What is the Songay Empire?



Let's take a look:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire

The Songhai Empire, also known as the Songhay Empire, was a pre-colonial African state of west Africa. From the early 15th to the late 16th century, Songhai was one of the largest African empires in history

Its base of power was on the bend of the Niger River in present day Niger and Burkina Faso.

The first great emperor of Songhai was Sonni Ali, reigning from about 1464 to 1493. Ali was a Muslim like the Mali kings before him

While a Muslim in faith, Ali did not impose Islamic policy on non-Islamic peoples and instead, allowed and acknowledged the observance of traditional African religion and practices as well.



So here we have the very first distinction from chattel Slavery.

NO ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO WIPE AWAY THE RELIGION OF PEOPLES HE CONQUERED IN EXPANDING HIS EMPIRE.


Continuing:


The Songhai economy was based on a traditional caste system. The clan a person belonged to ultimately decided their occupation. The most common castes were metalworkers, fishermen, and carpenters. Lower caste participants consisted of mostly non-farm working slaves, who at times were provided special privileges and held high positions in society. At the top were nobleman and direct descendants of the original Songhai people, followed by freemen and traders. At the bottom were war captives and slaves obligated to labor, especially in farming. James Olson describes the labor system as resembling modern day unions, with the empire possessing craft guilds that consisted of various mechanics and artisans



MYTH: Was it too hot for Europeans to go into the interior?

FACT: 1520s - The Kongo (Congo) kingdom in central West Africa becomes Portugal's primary source of enslaved Africans for trade.

FACT: King Leopold of Belgium later colonized the entire Congo for himself on behalf of Belgium


FACT: The sun has not gotten hotter in the last 300 years



How is your grade shaping up?

To expand I posted info about the existing Songay Empire that the Portuguese met.

The Portuguese were the first slave traders and so we need to examine the conditions they met with respect to wars, empire expansion etc among peoples.
I have a feeling the word "tribe" is tripping you up.

What the Portuguese met were advanced civilizations with cities & states etc and advanced militaries though lacking in gunpowder technology.
Let's get that part clear.

So:



The Songhai economy was based on a traditional caste system. The clan a person belonged to ultimately decided their occupation. The most common castes were metalworkers, fishermen, and carpenters. Lower caste participants consisted of mostly non-farm working slaves, who at times were provided special privileges and held high positions in society. At the top were nobleman and direct descendants of the original Songhai people, followed by freemen and traders. At the bottom were war captives and slaves obligated to labor, especially in farming. James Olson describes the labor system as resembling modern day unions, with the empire possessing craft guilds that consisted of various mechanics and artisans



........................................................................................................


So the "slavery" the Portuguese met allowed slaves to hold positions in high society and to marry within royalty also.

Nothing that compares to slavery as we know it.


Is that now clear to the doubters?

 

[water]

So you seriously believe that every slave that ever came out of Africa was captured by a white man and that no Africans were ever involved in slave trading? That's absurd.

I haven't posted a belief in this thread.

All I'm presenting are facts.

You come to a conclusion AFTER you get the facts NOT BEFORE based on belief.


It's funny that black people complain about white prejudice based on what they "believe" about us instead of judging us on what they know when we do it to our very selves

 

[Spectrum]

What it comes down to is that many in here have zero understanding of pre-colonial africa.

To say that African "slavery" was along the lines of "chattel" slavery is utter nonsense, and unfortunately bears the same yoke because the term "slavery" is used for both.

The concept of chattel slavery did not exist among West Africans, in fact, African "slavery" as it's coined was the polar opposite of what took place in the new world.

I'd advice heads to read up on it....

Exactly.

 

[water]

Exactly.

I even posted evidence wrt to the Songay Empire that the Portuguese met and ATL totally glossed over it..............

 

[Hollywoodheat]

good thread

 

[cskii]

Human Beings are evil, no matter where they're from. It's just not logical for me to believe that Africans were'nt complicant in the slave trade.Three, four hundred years later look at all the places in Africa where they treat people worst than animals.

 

[water]

Continuing..................




1538 - A Portuguese slave ship, the first in the Caribbean, reaches Puerto Rico.
1538 - The first known shipment of enslaved Africans arrives in Brazil. By the 1550s, people from the Dahomey, Yoruba, Hausa, and Bantu groups are working sugar plantations in Brazil.


1542 - The "New Laws" are established in Spain's American colonies. Bartolome de Las Casas, a priest and missionary, is mainly responsible for them. They require the humanitarian treatment of South American Indians in Spanish possessions, although Indians are still subject to forced labor. Conditions worsen for enslaved Africans as they become the primary labor force in Spanish America.


1567 - Spanish colonists begin to make their homes on the coast of Venezuela.
A fever expidemic hits South America, killing more than 1 million Indians.
c. 1568 - King Sebastian I of Portugal forbids the enslavement of Indians in Brazil.

1570 - 1617 - - The African empire of Kanem-Bornu (Lake Chad area) is at the peak of its power.
c. 1570 - Portuguese colonists establish communities in Africa around Luanda and in the Zambezi valley.


1575 - Portuguese merchants establish a permanent community at Luanda (northwest Angola), on the western coast of Africa, in a vain attempt to locate salt and silver mines. Instead they begin to build the trade in enslaved Africans. Angola supplies most of Brazil's enslaved Africans for the next 250 years.
1575 - 1591 - - During this time, more than 50,000 enslaved Africans are exported to Brazil from Angola.



Let's stop here for a moment and examine some events.

c. 1570 - Portuguese colonists establish communities in Africa around Luanda and in the Zambezi valley.


Where is Zambezi valley?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambezi

So Zambezi is central Africa.


The Zambezi (also spelled Zambesi) is the fourth-longest river in Africa, and the largest flowing into the Indian Ocean from Africa. The area of its basin is 1,390,000 km² (537,000 miles²),[1][2] slightly less than half that of the Nile.

The 2,574 km- (1,600 mile-) long river has its source in Zambia and flows through Angola, along the borders of Namibia, Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe, to Mozambique, where it empties into the Indian Ocean.

The Zambezi's most spectacular feature is the beautiful Victoria Falls, the world's largest waterfall. Other notable falls include the Chavuma Falls at the border between Zambia and Angola, and Ngonye Falls, near Sioma in Western Zambia.
There are two main sources of hydroelectric power on the river. These are the Kariba Dam, which provides power to Zambia and Zimbabwe and the Cahora Bassa Dam in Mozambique which provides power to South Africa. There is also a smaller power station at Victoria Falls.


............................................................................................................



So again we see that Europeans were in the interior of the continent.

MYTH: Europeans didn't go into the interior of Africa but depended on African "tribes" to capture slaves

FACT: Europeans were never afraid nor uncapable to go into the interior of the continent of Africa.

MYTH: Europeans met "tribes" in the primitive sense

FACT: Europeans starting with the Portuguese met thriving Empires. Some I already mentioned are the Songay Empires that consisted of cities and states.




Next I will show that the Portuguese went into Zimbabwe/Mozambique (inner continent) and destroyed the Kingdom of Mupata. Europeans had a widely held belief that it was the source of King Solomon gold mines. This fueled more "colonists" to enroll to fight against the inhabitants.

I will demonstrate again with another example...................

 

[Charon]

We're not talking about what "could've" happened according to your idiotic logic, dumbass, but what actually did happen.

Kaya is posting proof all over this thread from "their" history and firsthand accounts, but none of that is relevant to what you think "could've happened".

What happened to research and the scientific process, or just reading and comprehension? Damn!

Do you know the history behind the Rwandan conflict, or any of the others, for that matter?

You all continue to prove that there are way to many dumbasses that need to shut up and learn something before voicing your opinions.

Cosign. This discussion has shown yet again that there are people on this board who have been taught to hate their heritage for so long that they gladly accept anything thatwill make the ancestors look bad and refuse to see the truth when you try to show it to them. It's sad really. You can take the horse to the river but you can't force to drink. I feel pity for these fools but sometimes I get so pissed I feel like taking them out back and put them out of our collective misery so their idiocy won't foul up the gene pool.

 

[cmoe]

because some did not all of them but some did

 

[Ron Barcelo]

I haven't posted a belief in this thread.

All I'm presenting are facts.

You come to a conclusion AFTER you get the facts NOT BEFORE based on belief.


It's funny that black people complain about white prejudice based on what they "believe" about us instead of judging us on what they know when we do it to our very selves

Your facts cannot possibly account for every single slave ever taken from Africa. There is no way in hell Europeans could have captured millions upon millions of slaves without the help of African people. It would have been logistically impossible for whites to go into Africa alone, war with natives peoples, and capture slaves while at the same time fight amongst themselves for control of trade in the Atlantic and colonies in the Americas. You're giving those people way too much credit. Do you think all Africans were benevolent peoples? Hell no. They fought each other. They created empires. They conquered lands. They killed each other. And yes they sold their prisoners of war into slavery. They even began going on slave raids into other lands to sell to Europeans. Stop making excuses for them. You think white people invented slavery. Slavery has been around since the dawn of civilization and still exists. Africans to this day still sell each other into slavery.

 

[Manny Styles]

It's like talking to a brick wall ... maybe a slightly porous one, but it only lets certain things through, if any at all.

 

[tuckdog]

This thread further proves to me that we will never rise again as a people. Some of you brothers are so far gone it's ridiculous. I feel sorry for your wives and children.

 

[water]

Human Beings are evil, no matter where they're from. It's just not logical for me to believe that Africans were'nt complicant in the slave trade.Three, four hundred years later look at all the places in Africa where they treat people worst than animals.

As I said before and I will say again, you CANNOT rely on believe. There are facts surrounding the events.

Get the fact and THEN come to a conclusion.

Don't come to a conclusion based on belief.

 

[TENT]

yall niggas better be happy you here than over there...

thank God for them.....

shit niggas act like they wanna be fighting lions and shit...

 

[tuckdog]

yall niggas better be happy you here than over there...

thank God for them.....

shit niggas act like they wanna be fighting lions and shit...

......................................................

Tell that to your great great great great great grandmother who has been turning in her grave for centuries over what her CHILDREN have become! And you just pissed on her grave and legacy with that statement.

 

[TENT]

Nigga shut the fuck up. Go back to Africa then nigga. Pick any country you fucking like and see if dogs dont eat your fucking supper.

......................................................

Tell that to your great great great great great grandmother who has been turning in her grave for centuries over what her CHILDREN have become! And you just pissed on her grave and legacy with that statement.

 

[magnetic god]

What it comes down to is that many in here have zero understanding of pre-colonial africa.

To say that African "slavery" was along the lines of "chattel" slavery is utter nonsense, and unfortunately bears the same yoke because the term "slavery" is used for both.

The concept of chattel slavery did not exist among West Africans, in fact, African "slavery" as it's coined was the polar opposite of what took place in the new world.

I'd advice heads to read up on it....