Que I have a question....

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Why no post about whats in the "stimulus" package congress approved on yesterday? Why nobody talking about why the republicans in the house did not sign on it? Not to mention, 11 democrats didn't go along with the bill either. I'm just curious because I thought that Obama suppose to be the person to unite ALL of congress for the "good" of the American people....

I would surely appreciate your take on this situation....

*I would of pmed you, but people tend to say things differently on pm than on the BOARD. I'm not saying you do, but others do....*
 
(1) I don't know why no one posted a "stimulus" thread; I was traveling yesterday and otherwise too busy.

(2) As to, "Why nobody talking about why the republicans in the house did not sign on it? Not to mention, 11 democrats didn't go along with the bill either. I'm just curious because I thought that Obama suppose to be the person to unite ALL of congress for the "good" of the American people...." - - good question. What do you think ? ? ?

I've read that some republicans in leadership positions asked that no republicans support the measure, although there may have been several who wanted to. If true, what does that say:

  • That some republicans are intent on making Rush Limbaugh's wish ("I hope Obama fails") come true ???

  • That House republicans pay lip service only to bi-partisanship ???

  • That the Stimulus Pakage was so bad that it shouldn't have passed anyway ???

  • That House republicans would rather see the ship wreck, than allow a democrat succeed at getting it out of the storm ???

  • That House republicans would rather see the ship wreck, than allow a Black man succeed at getting it out of the storm ???

  • What ???

I know you have some interesting insight, what do you think ? ? ?

QueEx
 
(1) I don't know why no one posted a "stimulus" thread; I was traveling yesterday and otherwise too busy.

(2) As to, "Why nobody talking about why the republicans in the house did not sign on it? Not to mention, 11 democrats didn't go along with the bill either. I'm just curious because I thought that Obama suppose to be the person to unite ALL of congress for the "good" of the American people...." - - good question. What do you think ? ? ?

I've read that some republicans in leadership positions asked that no republicans support the measure, although there may have been several who wanted to. If true, what does that say:

  • That some republicans are intent on making Rush Limbaugh's wish ("I hope Obama fails") come true ???

  • That House republicans pay lip service only to bi-partisanship ???

  • That the Stimulus Pakage was so bad that it shouldn't have passed anyway ???

  • That House republicans would rather see the ship wreck, than allow a democrat succeed at getting it out of the storm ???

  • That House republicans would rather see the ship wreck, than allow a Black man succeed at getting it out of the storm ???

  • What ???

I know you have some interesting insight, what do you think ? ? ?

QueEx

The reason why the house republicans did not sign on to this is because of all the pork.

I actually heard what Limbaugh said, and it was taken out of context. Limbaugh basically said if Obama governs from the far left wing of the Democratic party *socialism* that he wish he does fail because it would hurt the COUNTRY. That part I actually agree with Limbaugh about. If you remember back in my "opinion" thread, I said that Obama would do good if he do govern from the Nancy Pelosi wing of the Democratic party. This is basically Clinton in 1993 again. Obama will have to come back to actually work with the Republicans in the future.

Its not about race either, the republicans have to establish some sort of Opposition for their own political gain. Take OBAMA's race out of it real quick, and look at the bill as straight politics. Do you think republicans would of sign off on this? Seriously?

Republicans are trying to build some sort of credibility with the conservatives *black and white conservatives* since they signed on with the FIRST bailout.

So, I guess the 11 democrats wanted to see the black man "fail" too?

You forget that Obama was trying to rally support from republicans. Now, why would Obama do that if he knows its going to pass anyway in the house? Was he doing that for COVER?

There's two definitions of bi-partisanship. The conservative definition, and the liberal definition. One is about working together *IE George Bush's attempt*, and one is about one giving up his/her's ideology all together...

Thanx for posting that, because I was getting kind of sick of hearing the "knee pads" coverage on CNN.
 
I just wanna know who thinks this will work? Be honest!

Anyone familiar with Peter Schiff?
 
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The reason why the house republicans did not sign on to this is because of all the pork.

Its not about race either, the republicans have to establish some sort of Opposition for their own political gain. Take OBAMA's race out of it real quick, and look at the bill as straight politics. Do you think republicans would of sign off on this? Seriously?
I hate to answer a question with a question, but here goes: Have Republicans suddenly come upon fiscal-religion; and are they willing to risk utterly fuking up the economy over these "New-Found-Fiscal-Principles" when they said absolutely nothing during the last 8 years of their party's drunken spending binge and neglect of our economy ? ? ?

QueEx

P.S.

If the Stimulus Package as it now stands is ill advised; let them (without regard to party affliation) drop the political rhetoric, party-manuevering, and political one-upsmanship, etc., and get the fuck at fixing it. (but please answer the above)
 
I hate to answer a question with a question, but here goes: Have Republicans suddenly come upon fiscal-religion; and are they willing to risk utterly fuking up the economy over these "New-Found-Fiscal-Principles" when they said absolutely nothing during the last 8 years of their party's drunken spending binge and neglect of our economy ? ? ?

QueEx

P.S.

If the Stimulus Package as it now stands is ill advised; let them (without regard to party affliation) drop the political rhetoric, party-manuevering, and political one-upsmanship, etc., and get the fuck at fixing it. (but please answer the above)

1. The republicans have heard it from every conservative think tank on how they screwed up their chances throughout the Bush Admin. Now, since they are the minority, they have to try to get their support back in order. This is why they are doing such things right now.

2. Dude, a lot of this could of been prevented back in 2005, however, who didn't want to fix Fannie Mae back then? So please, do not talking about "working" together when ONE side gave President Bush hell relentlessly. Remember, the war, Katrina, gas..... How democrats, and people on this board pushed out propaganda because ya'll didn't like Bush. So please, do not talking about "working" together...
 
1. The republicans have heard it from every conservative think tank on how they screwed up their chances throughout the Bush Admin. Now, since they are the minority, they have to try to get their support back in order. This is why they are doing such things right now.

2. Dude, a lot of this could of been prevented back in 2005, however, who didn't want to fix Fannie Mae back then? So please, do not talking about "working" together when ONE side gave President Bush hell relentlessly. Remember, the war, Katrina, gas..... How democrats, and people on this board pushed out propaganda because ya'll didn't like Bush. So please, do not talking about "working" together...

Tell you what I think; I think winning has become paramount. Each of the major parties want to win and they will try to fuck up the other side, to win. Each party, when they are the out party, works relentlessly to fuck up the "In-Party". AND, they do that under the guise of helping the people/the country.

You keep coming back with that democrats did this, republicans did that -- all of which, in my opinion, is a huge crock.

The republican fucks in congress didn't give two cents two months ago about the same things they have suddenly become so "principled" about. Why? Principles my ass; they're only interested in how to damage the democrats (the now, "In-party"). Isn't it ironic that they now sound like democrats, before the November election ??? If they cared so much about this country, why did they not have the same care, before the dems won ??? - go ahead, come up with another dems this, republicans that excuse.

QueEx
 
Tell you what I think; I think winning has become paramount. Each of the major parties want to win and they will try to fuck up the other side, to win. Each party, when they are the out party, works relentlessly to fuck up the "In-Party". AND, they do that under the guise of helping the people/the country.

You keep coming back with that democrats did this, republicans did that -- all of which, in my opinion, is a huge crock.

The republican fucks in congress didn't give two cents two months ago about the same things they have suddenly become so "principled" about. Why? Principles my ass; they're only interested in how to damage the democrats (the now, "In-party"). Isn't it ironic that they now sound like democrats, before the November election ??? If they cared so much about this country, why did they not have the same care, before the dems won ??? - go ahead, come up with another dems this, republicans that excuse.

QueEx

dude its an endless waltz.

I'm just talking about why they aren't supporting this bill, and for their own good, they had to be the opposition. 2006, and 2008 was their wake up call. They wasted an opportunity to make a lasting impression like Reagan did. This is why they are listening to the conservatives now.

I do agree with you that it has became a fucking pissing match. However, you must understand that the republicans are fighting for survival right now. So, do you actually blame the republicans for fighting?

In conclusion, doesn't partisanship make this country great? I mean, we could become like Mexico with a ONE party system..... I wonder how that's working out for them?
 
QueEx, I agree with you! Repubs should not be trusted for at least a generation.

AAA, I trust Dems less than I trust Repubs!

The Dems (who had control of the House & Senate Que) had an oppurtunity to stop the $800bn but they chose push it through despite 90% of the people being against the bill. Did the 'evil' George Bush outsmart the Dems? Or did the Dems not have a clue of what to do?

Here's the kicker, Barack is appalled the banksters gave $18bn in bonuses, c'mon man, what do you expect? Look, if the govt would've stayed out of the way and allowed the banks to go out of business, we wouldn't have to worry about the misallocation of resources! :smh:
 
QueEx, I agree with you! Repubs should not be trusted for at least a generation.

AAA, I trust Dems less than I trust Repubs!

The Dems (who had control of the House & Senate Que) had an oppurtunity to stop the $800bn but they chose push it through despite 90% of the people being against the bill. Did the 'evil' George Bush outsmart the Dems? Or did the Dems not have a clue of what to do?

Here's the kicker, Barack is appalled the banksters gave $18bn in bonuses, c'mon man, what do you expect? Look, if the govt would've stayed out of the way and allowed the banks to go out of business, we wouldn't have to worry about the misallocation of resources! :smh:


dude everyone have their hand in the cookie jar. this is why I wasn't so excited about Obama from the get...go. ITS POLITICS...
 
My 2 cents. I find the republicans without a leg to stand on with this one due to the fact that they supported the exact same policy with the previous administration, ergo, cutting taxes and raising spending. While I disagree with with the philosphy, I find it totally disingenuous that they would all of a sudden be concerned about pork, especially considering that there is nothing fatter than defence spending, as far as return on investment principles go.

It is still fiction to think that spending without income can breed financial success.
 
I'm just talking about why they aren't supporting this bill, and for their own good, they had to be the opposition. 2006, and 2008 was their wake up call. They wasted an opportunity to make a lasting impression like Reagan did. This is why they are listening to the conservatives now.

I do agree with you that it has became a fucking pissing match. However, you must understand that the republicans are fighting for survival right now. So, do you actually blame the republicans for fighting?

In conclusion, doesn't partisanship make this country great? I mean, we could become like Mexico with a ONE party system..... I wonder how that's working out for them?
<font size="3">What I see in what you've said is that at this particular time the republicans care more about republicans than they do the country they claim to care about. To me, thats a sad indictment of "self interest" seeking to triumph over the common good. It ought to be criminal.

What survival are they fighting for??? - Surely we are not talking about personal life and death. If anything (and I do not believe it is so) you could be talking about the life or death of a party -- but not human life/death. Now, how could that self interest be superior to the real life/death interest of the humans (people) that make up this country ? ? ?

When you can justify that to me, perhaps, I might understand why I should give a shit about the survival of a political party (whether its called demo-cratic, republi-can, or Self-o-crati-can).

QueEx</font size>
 
<font size="3">What I see in what you've said is that at this particular time the republicans care more about republicans than they do the country they claim to care about. To me, thats a sad indictment of "self interest" seeking to triumph over the common good. It ought to be criminal.

What survival are they fighting for??? - Surely we are not talking about personal life and death. If anything (and I do not believe it is so) you could be talking about the life or death of a party -- but not human life/death. Now, how could that self interest be superior to the real life/death interest of the humans (people) that make up this country ? ? ?

When you can justify that to me, perhaps, I might understand why I should give a shit about the survival of a political party (whether its called demo-cratic, republi-can, or Self-o-crati-can).

QueEx</font size>

1. lets not talk about "self-interest". The left is the last to talk about "self-interest". In fact, look at how everyone treated Bush when he essentially came to both parties like Obama is now. Both parties are guilty for putting party over country one way, or another. However, what idealogy works for the country better, the left, or the right? That's the real question....

2. I'm talking about survival as in political survival. The republicans messed up when they let go their conservative mantra to "fit in" with the media.... They have to act this way to be the voice of peaceful opposition. People on this board would not understand that....

3. Both parties serve us in the end. The political parties is what makes this country great. Every side will have their voice heard. Something that this SITE needs more of....
 
My 2 cents. I find the republicans without a leg to stand on with this one due to the fact that they supported the exact same policy with the previous administration, ergo, cutting taxes and raising spending. While I disagree with with the philosphy, I find it totally disingenuous that they would all of a sudden be concerned about pork, especially considering that there is nothing fatter than defence spending, as far as return on investment principles go.

It is still fiction to think that spending without income can breed financial success.

Yea, defense spending is bloated. However, if you cut taxes, 9 times out of 10, you will create MORE tax payers essentially through new jobs.
 
Que

Republicans have been rejecting or delaying the bills for a while now because even when its a good bill they come up with the Democrats have been loading it with pork. After they won the majority the only thing stopping them from passing pork infested bills was Bush. So now that they have both houses and the presidency. They can get away with as much pork as they want. The media spinning it as not one Republicans signing it rather than how Obama said he was going to cut wasteful spending, including when he asked for the bill. So what we are seeing is him not being pricipled from the capaign to the bills. If he continue letting his party pork up every bill it will come back to bite him. Cut wasteful spending was the talk.

I still say give him some time though. This is the first big one. We need 2010 with detention center closed and troups out of Iraq and more spending bills and more Democrat pork. We'll have to watch if he is just lip service. This is only the first bill. He could send it back to get it cleaned up just to set precedent.
 
The reason why the house republicans did not sign on to this is because of all the pork.

I actually heard what Limbaugh said, and it was taken out of context. Limbaugh basically said if Obama governs from the far left wing of the Democratic party *socialism* that he wish he does fail because it would hurt the COUNTRY. That part I actually agree with Limbaugh about. If you remember back in my "opinion" thread, I said that Obama would do good if he do govern from the Nancy Pelosi wing of the Democratic party. This is basically Clinton in 1993 again. Obama will have to come back to actually work with the Republicans in the future.

Do you still believe in that fantasy ? ? ?

QueEx
 
<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The reason why the house republicans did not sign on to this is because of all the pork.</SPAN>
I actually heard what Limbaugh said, and it was taken out of context. Limbaugh basically said if Obama governs from the far left wing of the Democratic party *socialism* that he wish he does fail because it would hurt the COUNTRY. That part I actually agree with Limbaugh about. If you remember back in my "opinion" thread, I said that Obama would do good if he do govern from the Nancy Pelosi wing of the Democratic party. This is basically Clinton in 1993 again. Obama will have to come back to actually work with the Republicans in the future.

Its not about race either, the republicans have to establish some sort of Opposition for their own political gain. Take OBAMA's race out of it real quick, and look at the bill as straight politics. Do you think republicans would of sign off on this? Seriously?

Republicans are trying to build some sort of credibility with the conservatives *black and white conservatives* since they signed on with the FIRST bailout.

So, I guess the 11 democrats wanted to see the black man "fail" too?

You forget that Obama was trying to rally support from republicans. Now, why would Obama do that if he knows its going to pass anyway in the house? Was he doing that for COVER?

There's two definitions of bi-partisanship. The conservative definition, and the liberal definition. One is about working together *IE George Bush's attempt*, and one is about one giving up his/her's ideology all together...

Thanx for posting that, because I was getting kind of sick of hearing the "knee pads" coverage on CNN.


:lol:Classic!:lol:

source: Media Matters

AP ignored Democrats' response to earmark criticism: 40% are from Republicans

Summary: The AP reported that "Republicans assailed" the omnibus bill recently passed by the House as "too costly" and quoted Republicans criticizing the bill as, in the reporter's words, "bristl[ing] with earmarks." At no point did the reporter give any indication that many of the earmarks were included at the request of Republicans.

In a February 26 Associated Press article on the omnibus legislation passed by the "Democratic-controlled House" on Tuesday, David Espo reported that "Republicans assailed the legislation as too costly" and quoted Republicans criticizing the bill as, in the reporter's words, "bristl[ing] with earmarks." While Espo included examples of Democratic earmarks, at no point did he give any indication that many of the earmarks were included in the bill at the request of Republicans. Moreover, Espo cited the Taxpayers for Common Sense as a critic of the earmarks in the bill, without noting that the group cited earmarks by both Democrats and Republicans.

While quoting Republicans attacking the bill for earmarks, Espo did not note a handout distributed on February 24 by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) titled "You can't spell 'earmark' without an 'R,' " asserting that "40% of the earmarks in the omnibus appropriations bill are Republican earmarks." The handout also stated that "[t]he earmarks in the omnibus appropriations bill total less than 1% of the budget," and that they "were reduced by 43% last year, and the omnibus appropriations bill reduces earmarks by another 5%."

Espo also wrote that "[a]fter persuading lawmakers to keep earmarks off the stimulus bill, Obama made no such attempt on the first non-emergency spending measure of his presidency. The result was that lawmakers claimed billions in federal funds for pet projects -- a total of 8,570 earmarks at a cost of $7.7 billion, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense [TCS]." He added: "Majority Democrats declined to provide a number of earmarks, but said the cost was far smaller, $3.8 billion, 5 percent less than a year ago." However, Espo did not note that TCS highlighted both Republican and Democratic earmarks.

Indeed, in its February 24 item on the earmarks in the omnibus bill, TCS reported that Rep. Dennis Rehberg (R-MT) sponsored an earmark designating $300,000 for a "Montana World Trade Center," Rep. John Peterson (R-PA) sponsored an earmark designating $200,000 for an "Oil Region Alliance," and Rep. Barbara Cubin (R-WY) sponsored an earmark designating $190,000 for the "Buffalo Bill Historical Center."

By contrast, in their reporting on the omnibus bill, several other media outlets have noted the Democrats' response to Republican allegations about earmarks. In a February 24 Congressional Quarterly article on the appropriations bill, staff writer Bennett Roth reported:

House Democrats are working to undercut accusations by Republicans that the omnibus spending bill represents a spending spree on earmarks -- and pointedly noting that the measure includes a healthy number of GOP-sponsored special projects.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md., distributed a handout Tuesday at his weekly news conference entitled, "You can't spell 'earmark' without an 'R,' " which stated that 40 percent of the earmark dollars included in the bill were sponsored by Republicans.

The appropriations omnibus (HR 1105) is scheduled for a House vote Wednesday.

"Republicans are continuing to try to sweep their history under the rug and convince the American people that they are committed to fiscal responsibility," stated the handout. "But their record on earmarks and the amount of earmarks contained in the omnibus appropriations bill make it clear that Republicans are just using this as another political ploy."

Also, in a February 24 McClatchy article headlined "GOP hates earmarks -- except the ones its members sponsor," David Lightman reported: "Republicans are expected to deliver a daylong rant Wednesday against Democratic spending legislation, yet the bill is loaded with thousands of pet projects that Republican lawmakers inserted." Lightman also reported: "House Democrats estimate that Republicans inserted 40 percent of the earmarks in the bill. An independent budget watchdog group, Taxpayers for Common Sense, said the 60-40 Democratic-Republican ratio followed historical patterns."

Furthermore, Lightman also reported on the earmarks of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), the senior Republican on the House Appropriations Committee, and Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS), the top Republican on Senate Appropriations:

Rep. Jerry Lewis of California, the top Republican on the House Appropriations Committee, would spend $3.8 million on a Needles, Calif., highway.

Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, the top Republican on Senate Appropriations, backs earmarks including a $950,000 nature education center in Moss Point, Miss. He defends earmarks.

"You have to take these on a case-by-case basis," he said. "A lot of these projects are justified."

One prominent Republican critic, however, wouldn't relent. When he was asked what Obama should do with a bill full of earmarks, Sen. John McCain of Arizona said flatly: "I would call on him to veto it."

In addition, an AP audio report on Espo's article asserted: "Republicans blasted the measure for including almost 9,000 earmarks at a cost of more than 7 billion dollars," but did not report that some of the earmarks are sponsored by Republicans.

From the February 26 AP article:

The Democratic-controlled House pushed through a $410 billion measure Wednesday that boosted domestic programs, bristled with earmarks and chipped away at policies left behind by the Bush administration.

[...]

After persuading lawmakers to keep earmarks off the stimulus bill, Obama made no such attempt on the first non-emergency spending measure of his presidency. The result was that lawmakers claimed billions in federal funds for pet projects -- a total of 8,570 earmarks at a cost of $7.7 billion, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. Majority Democrats declined to provide a number of earmarks, but said the cost was far smaller, $3.8 billion, 5 percent less than a year ago.

Among the earmarks was one sponsored by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., who secured $200,000 for a "tattoo removal violence outreach program" in Los Angeles. Aides said the money would pay for a tattoo removal machine that could help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past, and anyone benefiting would be required to perform community service.

Rep. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., said the bill included at least a dozen earmarks for clients of PMA Group, a lobbying company now at the center of a federal corruption investigation.

"It's simply not responsible to allow a soon-to-be-criminally indicted lobbying firm to win funding, all borrowed, in this bill," he said. No charges have been filed against the firm or its principals, although the company's offices were raided earlier this month, and it has announced plans to disband by the end of the month.

Federal prosecutors are investigating PMA Group's founder and president, Paul Magliochetti, who is a former top aide to Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee that funds defense programs.

In remarks on the House floor, Republican leader John Boehner urged Obama to veto the legislation, citing earmarks.

At the White House, press secretary Robert Gibbs responded only in general terms whether that was possible.

"There is great concern in this building and by the president about earmarks," Gibbs said. "Without having looked specifically at a piece of legislation, I'm hesitant to throw out that four-letter word, 'Veto.' "

From the AP web audio report:

Republicans blasted the measure for including almost 9,000 earmarks at a cost of more than 7 billion dollars. Democrats wouldn't say how many there are, but insist the cost is about half that amount. One of the earmarks was for a $200,000 program to help gang members erase their tattoos.

—A.J.W.
 
:lol:Classic!:lol:

source: Media Matters

AP ignored Democrats' response to earmark criticism: 40% are from Republicans

Summary: The AP reported that "Republicans assailed" the omnibus bill recently passed by the House as "too costly" and quoted Republicans criticizing the bill as, in the reporter's words, "bristl[ing] with earmarks." At no point did the reporter give any indication that many of the earmarks were included at the request of Republicans.

In a February 26 Associated Press article on the omnibus legislation passed by the "Democratic-controlled House" on Tuesday, David Espo reported that "Republicans assailed the legislation as too costly" and quoted Republicans criticizing the bill as, in the reporter's words, "bristl[ing] with earmarks." While Espo included examples of Democratic earmarks, at no point did he give any indication that many of the earmarks were included in the bill at the request of Republicans. Moreover, Espo cited the Taxpayers for Common Sense as a critic of the earmarks in the bill, without noting that the group cited earmarks by both Democrats and Republicans.

While quoting Republicans attacking the bill for earmarks, Espo did not note a handout distributed on February 24 by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) titled "You can't spell 'earmark' without an 'R,' " asserting that "40% of the earmarks in the omnibus appropriations bill are Republican earmarks." The handout also stated that "[t]he earmarks in the omnibus appropriations bill total less than 1% of the budget," and that they "were reduced by 43% last year, and the omnibus appropriations bill reduces earmarks by another 5%."

Espo also wrote that "[a]fter persuading lawmakers to keep earmarks off the stimulus bill, Obama made no such attempt on the first non-emergency spending measure of his presidency. The result was that lawmakers claimed billions in federal funds for pet projects -- a total of 8,570 earmarks at a cost of $7.7 billion, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense [TCS]." He added: "Majority Democrats declined to provide a number of earmarks, but said the cost was far smaller, $3.8 billion, 5 percent less than a year ago." However, Espo did not note that TCS highlighted both Republican and Democratic earmarks.

Indeed, in its February 24 item on the earmarks in the omnibus bill, TCS reported that Rep. Dennis Rehberg (R-MT) sponsored an earmark designating $300,000 for a "Montana World Trade Center," Rep. John Peterson (R-PA) sponsored an earmark designating $200,000 for an "Oil Region Alliance," and Rep. Barbara Cubin (R-WY) sponsored an earmark designating $190,000 for the "Buffalo Bill Historical Center."

By contrast, in their reporting on the omnibus bill, several other media outlets have noted the Democrats' response to Republican allegations about earmarks. In a February 24 Congressional Quarterly article on the appropriations bill, staff writer Bennett Roth reported:

House Democrats are working to undercut accusations by Republicans that the omnibus spending bill represents a spending spree on earmarks -- and pointedly noting that the measure includes a healthy number of GOP-sponsored special projects.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md., distributed a handout Tuesday at his weekly news conference entitled, "You can't spell 'earmark' without an 'R,' " which stated that 40 percent of the earmark dollars included in the bill were sponsored by Republicans.

The appropriations omnibus (HR 1105) is scheduled for a House vote Wednesday.

"Republicans are continuing to try to sweep their history under the rug and convince the American people that they are committed to fiscal responsibility," stated the handout. "But their record on earmarks and the amount of earmarks contained in the omnibus appropriations bill make it clear that Republicans are just using this as another political ploy."

Also, in a February 24 McClatchy article headlined "GOP hates earmarks -- except the ones its members sponsor," David Lightman reported: "Republicans are expected to deliver a daylong rant Wednesday against Democratic spending legislation, yet the bill is loaded with thousands of pet projects that Republican lawmakers inserted." Lightman also reported: "House Democrats estimate that Republicans inserted 40 percent of the earmarks in the bill. An independent budget watchdog group, Taxpayers for Common Sense, said the 60-40 Democratic-Republican ratio followed historical patterns."

Furthermore, Lightman also reported on the earmarks of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), the senior Republican on the House Appropriations Committee, and Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS), the top Republican on Senate Appropriations:

Rep. Jerry Lewis of California, the top Republican on the House Appropriations Committee, would spend $3.8 million on a Needles, Calif., highway.

Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, the top Republican on Senate Appropriations, backs earmarks including a $950,000 nature education center in Moss Point, Miss. He defends earmarks.

"You have to take these on a case-by-case basis," he said. "A lot of these projects are justified."

One prominent Republican critic, however, wouldn't relent. When he was asked what Obama should do with a bill full of earmarks, Sen. John McCain of Arizona said flatly: "I would call on him to veto it."

In addition, an AP audio report on Espo's article asserted: "Republicans blasted the measure for including almost 9,000 earmarks at a cost of more than 7 billion dollars," but did not report that some of the earmarks are sponsored by Republicans.

From the February 26 AP article:

The Democratic-controlled House pushed through a $410 billion measure Wednesday that boosted domestic programs, bristled with earmarks and chipped away at policies left behind by the Bush administration.

[...]

After persuading lawmakers to keep earmarks off the stimulus bill, Obama made no such attempt on the first non-emergency spending measure of his presidency. The result was that lawmakers claimed billions in federal funds for pet projects -- a total of 8,570 earmarks at a cost of $7.7 billion, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. Majority Democrats declined to provide a number of earmarks, but said the cost was far smaller, $3.8 billion, 5 percent less than a year ago.

Among the earmarks was one sponsored by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., who secured $200,000 for a "tattoo removal violence outreach program" in Los Angeles. Aides said the money would pay for a tattoo removal machine that could help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past, and anyone benefiting would be required to perform community service.

Rep. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., said the bill included at least a dozen earmarks for clients of PMA Group, a lobbying company now at the center of a federal corruption investigation.

"It's simply not responsible to allow a soon-to-be-criminally indicted lobbying firm to win funding, all borrowed, in this bill," he said. No charges have been filed against the firm or its principals, although the company's offices were raided earlier this month, and it has announced plans to disband by the end of the month.

Federal prosecutors are investigating PMA Group's founder and president, Paul Magliochetti, who is a former top aide to Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee that funds defense programs.

In remarks on the House floor, Republican leader John Boehner urged Obama to veto the legislation, citing earmarks.

At the White House, press secretary Robert Gibbs responded only in general terms whether that was possible.

"There is great concern in this building and by the president about earmarks," Gibbs said. "Without having looked specifically at a piece of legislation, I'm hesitant to throw out that four-letter word, 'Veto.' "

From the AP web audio report:

Republicans blasted the measure for including almost 9,000 earmarks at a cost of more than 7 billion dollars. Democrats wouldn't say how many there are, but insist the cost is about half that amount. One of the earmarks was for a $200,000 program to help gang members erase their tattoos.

—A.J.W.

its just like when Rangel suggested the draft, and everyone thought that Bush wanted the draft back in 2007. Same scenario. Thats why I don't call myself a republican, but a conservative.
 
its just like when Rangel suggested the draft, and everyone thought that Bush wanted the draft back in 2007. Same scenario. Thats why I don't call myself a republican, but a conservative.

No, only those that half pay attention. Rangel is not the only one that wants a draft. Its common knowledge that neo cons don't want a draft. If they did, chicken hawks like Bush and Cheney would have to hide their children from it the way they did and we would clearly see the hypocrisy as we did in the Viet Nam draft. Come on, do I have to dig up a post were you proudly proclaimed you conservatism?
 
No, only those that half pay attention. Rangel is not the only one that wants a draft. Its common knowledge that neo cons don't want a draft. If they did, chicken hawks like Bush and Cheney would have to hide their children from it the way they did and we would clearly see the hypocrisy as we did in the Viet Nam draft. Come on, do I have to dig up a post were you proudly proclaimed you conservatism?

dude I'm not the one thinking my side can not do any wrong.

You, on the other hand...:rolleyes:

Wow, you agreed with me for once, and you don't even know it lol!!!!

See we are more the same than you will admit... :lol:
 
dude I'm not the one thinking my side can not do any wrong.

You, on the other hand...:rolleyes:

Wow, you agreed with me for once, and you don't even know it lol!!!!

See we are more the same than you will admit... :lol:

Because I stated a fact, you think you have one on me?
 
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