Why do African Americans believe Africans just "allowed" slaves to be taken???

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I also read some shit in "the book" that blacks are inferior to whites.........

Does that make it true?

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Anyway read this thread about the tobacco part and catch up.......

Role of Alcohol & Tobacco in Slavery even in 2007
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=157102

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dude there's several accounts that prove this to be true. Why is it so hard for you to understand that black people can be as bad as white people? You act as if the slave trade was the first type of slavery. Slavery was the norm in any tribal life throughout the world. So it wouldn't surprise me if OUR OWN PEOPLE sold us out. Bottomline.....

Think about this, there's people selling drugs to OUR OWN PEOPLE for profit, and bragging about it. So you think 400 years ago, they weren't doing the same thing except they were selling their own people for some kind of material wealth?
 
See my post above. The type of "slavery" practiced in Africa amongst Africans, was not even remotely comparable to what was perpetrated by the Europeans on Africans....not even remotely. The term is being used too broadly.

african slavery was on a level similar to indentured servitude

have to say was since arab slavery in africa in Niger and other spots is about as bad as american slavery

then american slaves got to graduate to serfs/untouchables
serfs = share croppers
 
West Africa slavery still widespread


BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7693397.stm

Sold into slavery at the age of 12, Hadijatou Mani says she was forced to labour for her master and his family for 10 years.

She quickly became one of several sexual slaves, or "sadakas" and was made to bear her master's children. She was subjected to regular beatings.

She quickly became one of several sexual slaves, or "sadakas" and was made to bear her master's children. She was subjected to regular beatings.

Now the former slave from Niger has won a landmark case against her government, which a regional West African court found had failed to protect her.

The court has ordered the government to pay her 10m CFA francs (£12,430; $19,750) in compensation.

"I will be able to build a house, raise animals and farm land to support my family. I will also be able to send my children to school so they can have the education I was never allowed as a slave," Ms Mani said afterwards.

The ruling could have broad implications for countries nearby where slavery is still practised, including Mauritania, Burkina Faso and Mali, according to observers.

Human rights organisations say more than 40,000 people are still in slavery in Niger, though the government says this figure is exaggerated.

Most live in conditions little changed over centuries, forced to look after animals or domestic work such as cooking and cleaning without pay.

Born into an established slave caste, they inherit a status from their mothers that it is almost impossible to shake off.

Romana Cacchioli, Africa Programme Coordinator for Anti-Slavery International, says this form of slavery began centuries ago when North African Berbers and Arabs raided the settlements of black Africans to the south and enslaved them.

Bigamy

Hadijatou Mani's case was different - she was sold by her Berber, Tuareg family to a master from the Hausa community.

She says he bought her for the equivalent of about $500 (£315).

"My master has four wives. We, the slaves, were doing all the housework like cooking, fetching water and firewood and working on farms," she told the BBC.

"I was beaten so many times I would run to my family. Then, after a day or two, I would be brought back."

But one day she heard that Niger had banned slavery, a decision that was announced in 2003.

"One of the anti-slavery activists from the Timidria association went to see the local chief who summoned my master.

"He was told that slavery had now been abolished, that he had to free his seven slaves, but he denied having seven slaves - he said he had only three, including myself.

"They told him if he loved us and we agreed, he could marry us. Otherwise he should just let us go. When he came back home he didn't tell us what happened, he just took us to another location so that we could not hear the news.

"After a while we came back, and that was when I heard that slavery no longer exists. I decided not to go back to my master but he kept going to the court saying that I am his wife."

According to Anti-Slavery International, which helped Ms Mani bring the case, she was finally freed by her master and given her "liberation certificate" in 2005.

A court initially blocked his attempt to prevent her marrying another man, but this was later overruled and Ms Mani was convicted of bigamy and sent to prison for six months.

"I was wrongly jailed, not because of anything I did but because of slavery, and today there is no more slavery so I wanted the court to vindicate me, to give my rights which I was denied some four years ago, to compensate me," she said.
 
african slavery was on a level similar to indentured servitude

have to say was since arab slavery in africa in Niger and other spots is about as bad as american slavery

then american slaves got to graduate to serfs/untouchables
serfs = share croppers

bottomline, they never cared about how the slaves were treated by the Europeans. It was all about wealth.
 
this entire convo is bullshit

who would argue with the descendants of slaves on the race of the some of the perpetrators?

could no africans travel in africa for fear of being enslaved? not quite

comparing indentured servitude to american slavery is comparing assault and battery to murder
both are crimes but one is more heinous
 
tdm there is no doubt, i hope, that slavery still exist. this is march last year and this is round my neighborhood here in florida.

When we were going to school, we learned a little about the “Civil War” and the “Thirteenth Amendment” which ended the practice of slavery in this country. But someone forgot to tell Evelyn Theodore and her daughter, Maude Paulin, of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, who have been convicted of enslaving Haitian teenager Simone Celestin for SIX YEARS.

Celestin, now 22, testified Wednesday that she considered suicide after years of beatings and intimidation. She tearfully described sleeping on the floor, rummaging through cast-off clothes in the garage for something to wear, bathing from a bucket or a garden hose and scrubbing floors when she should have been in school.

She said Theodore and Maude Paulin often struck her with their hands, shoes or objects such as a curling iron or a mortar if she didn’t finish the work to their satisfaction.

Defense attorneys argued during trial the Celestin’s allegations of abuse were motivated by her desire to be a permanent legal resident of the U.S.
 
Niger slavery: Background


The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/27/humanrights1

What follows is a background document on slavery in Niger compiled by Anti-Slavery International. It assisted Hadijatou Mani in bringing her landmark court case against the government of the country.

Background

Slavery was abolished in Niger in 1960 (upon independence from France), prohibited in 1999 and criminalised in 2003.

How many slaves are there in Niger?

The minimum estimate is that 43,000 people are in slavery across Niger.

It is based on research by Timidria, a local human rights organisation, and Anti-Slavery International. The research involved more than 11,000 face-to-face interviews in six regions of the country, constituting the most comprehensive survey of slavery in Niger to date.

B]Who practices slavery?[/B]

Slavery remains deeply embedded in Niger society. It exists across the country, in rural and urban areas, and is practised predominantly by the Tuareg, Maure (Berber Arab) and Peule (also known as Pulaar, or Fulani) ethnic groups.

Some Hausa follow the "fifth wife" practice - a form of slavery (see below). The Hausa (both in Niger and Nigeria) are sold their "fifth wife" by Tuareg masters.

How do people become slaves in Niger?

Virtually all cases of slavery documented in Niger concern individuals whose ancestors were enslaved many generations ago. Slavery status is ascribed at birth and passed on through the generations.

The Tuareg follow a complicated caste system that incorporates slaves at the bottom of society.

Tuareg culture does not allow people to marry outside their caste. It is significant that, in Niger, slaves identify themselves as Tuareg even if their ancestry technically belongs to African people enslaved by Tuareg raiders.

Nobles and warriors are at the top of Tuareg culture, and Islamic clerics, or marabouts, come next. Below them are free men, followed by casted groups such as blacksmiths and other occupations.

Below all these are freed slaves; the lowest rung is reserved for slaves. All these free and casted groups can have slaves - even slaves themselves, if they have the financial means.

A slave can be freed in Tuareg culture by his or her master, if they wish to appease Allah to make amends for an indiscretion, or simply out of kindness.

Historically, slaves could be freed if they acted with distinction and valour in battle. Despite this, freed slaves remain near the bottom of the Tuareg caste system, above only slaves.

What does it mean to be a slave?

Slaves have no rights and no opportunities in life.

In Niger, people are born into slavery and forced to work without pay for their so-called masters throughout their lives, primarily herding cattle or working on farmland, or as domestic servants.

Slaves are denied fundamental rights, and their masters exercise powers of ownership over them. Slaves are inherited, and given as gifts. Children may be taken away from their mothers at an early age.

Girls are forced to start work as domestic servants at a very young age, and are at the continual beck and call of their masters. They may be sexually abused by men in the household or forced to marry at a young age.

Women have spoken of living in constant fear of abuse, and rape is common.

Masters also consider that they have the right to demand the marriage dowry of their former slaves (which may consist of a bed, a tent or kitchen utensils). When a former slave dies, the master can demand the inheritance, even if the former slave has children.

Even when former slaves have been free for many years, the master will assume the right to approve their marriage or inherit their property.

Many slaves are not on the electoral roll, and so are not entitled to vote. This political exclusion enables those in power to maintain the status quo.

Slavery and the misuse of Islam

Slaves are told that, under Islam, their paradise is bound to their master, and that if they do what the master tells them, they will go to heaven.

This is a powerful mechanism of control, teaching those who are enslaved to follow orders and accept their fate or they will be forsaken by God and live outside Islam.

Without access to education or alternative means of subsistence, many believe that it is Allah's wish for them to be slaves when in reality Islam dictates that a Muslim may not enslave a fellow Muslim.

'Fifth wives'

Islam allows a man to take a maximum of four wives. However, in Niger, the practice exists of taking a fifth wife. These women are known as wahiya among the Tuareg and sadaka among the Hausa.

Sometimes men take several fifth wives. The fifth wife does not receive any of the status benefits of being a wife, as there is no actual marriage. She is, in effect, a slave to her "husband".

In 2006, Timidria helped release 34 women known to have been sold as fifth wives in the Canton of Douguerawa. A further 12 were released in 2007.

Anti-Slavery International was able to interview 10 of the women, who complained they had been subjugated to forced and unpaid labour, rape and daily insults.
 
african slavery was on a level similar to indentured servitude

have to say was since arab slavery in africa in Niger and other spots is about as bad as american slavery

then american slaves got to graduate to serfs/untouchables
serfs = share croppers

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Continuing.......................


In 1312 the naval fleet was created with the goal of defending the country against the Muslim pirates.

At the end of the 14th century,Portugal became the first oceanic navy power.



Some timelines:


1415 - Portuguese forces conquer Ceuta and gain a foothold in Africa
c. 1418 - Portuguese Prince Henry the Navigator establishes a naval exploration base at Sagres on Cape Saint Vincent and begins to sponsor explorations of Africa's coasts.
1419 - Portuguese navigators reach the Madeira Islands.
1427 - 1431 - - A Portuguese fleet under Diego de Seville reaches and explores the Azores island group off the coast of Portugal.
1434 - Portuguese sailor and explorer Joao Diaz rounds Africa's Cape Bojador.
1441 - Portuguese forces capture Africans near Cape Blanc, south of Morocco, and sell them into slavery.
1442 - The Mali Empire has an established trading system along the Niger River. The Yoruba and Hausa peoples of Nigeria have city-states ruled by royal families with nobility, court systems, and militias.
1445 - Portuguese sailor Diniz Diaz sights Cape Verde, on Africa's west coast.
Portuguese forces build a fort at Argvin on the west coast of Africa.
1448 - 1975 - - This is the time span generally ascribed to the Portuguese Empire, which includes colonies in Africa.
1455 - Cadamosto, a Venetian sailor, explores the Senegal River.
1456 - Ottoman forces capture Athens and begin almost 400 years of rule over Greece and the Balkans.
1462 - Portuguese sailor Pedro de Cintra sights Sierra Leone (Lion Mountains) in western Africa.
1464 - Sonni Ali becomes ruler of the Songhai (Songhay) Empire. His army captures Timbuktu in 1468 and he rules until 1492.
1470 - Spain acknowledges Portugal's monopoly on the trade in enslaved Africans.
c. 1470 - Portuguese sailors reach the Gulf of Guinea, on Africa's west coast.
c. 1479 - Ferdinand II and Isabella of Castile jointly establish the Spanish state. They are authorized by Pope Sixtus IV to appoint inquisitors to prosecute heresy. This marks the beginning of the Spanish Inquisition under the control and direction of both state and church. They drive out the Islamic Moors.
1482 - Portuguese forces build Fort Elmina on the Gold Coast of Africa.
c. 1484 - Portuguese navigator Diego Cam explores the mouth of the Congo River in Africa.
1486 - In Africa, the kingdom of Benin begins trade with Portugal and Portuguese navigators explore Angola.
1486 - Portuguese explorer Bartholomeu Diaz sails around the Cape of Good Hope and arrives in Mussel (Mossel) Bay, South Africa. This journey opens an eastern sea route to India.




OK, let's stop here for now...............





So:

c. 1418 - Portuguese Prince Henry the Navigator establishes a naval exploration base at Sagres on Cape Saint Vincent and begins to sponsor explorations of Africa's coasts.


So Portugal having the world's first naval fleet came to Africa and establishes a naval exploration base.

How do you think that was achieved?

Without arms?


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People who look for any and every reason to express their apathy for Africa will always say "Africans sold us into slavery so why should I care"

And Pan-Africanists who choose to only to connect Africa to our glorious lineage of Kings and Queens will always say "Africans were forcefully taken from their homeland."



Someone earlier in this thread called the slave trade a "machine". That's exactly what it was. To simplify it with either mentality listed above is to completely miss the point. Some were sold, some were captured, some were indentured servants, some were hunted down, some were traded...and as someone else in this thread also said, not every slave trader in Africa was African. There's plenty of guilt to go around.
 
GTFOH with that black righteous shit! I'm sure there were some that tried to prevent slavery but I can't help but apply a common sense approach. If they're doing that shit now while the rest of the world is past that then why on earth wouldn't they have done it back then?

We shoulder SOME (not all or even most) of the blame also. It's not to easen the burden, it's for us to start taking responsibility also.

Besides, slavery gort your black ass over here so it wasn't all bad (for you).

Look at it like this, if you had a chance for your kids to come to the greatest country in the world would you? Cubans risk their lives on a 90 mile trip on a blow up raft just on a maybe..

Maybe thats what Im using as my defense to my beliefs rather then pure evidence....Everything is not 1 +1 is 2 I mean without actually being there one would have to use a bit of common sense to figure out how Europeans could load thousands on a boat without help from the natives.....
 
Continuing...............


1492 - The Spanish Inquisition reaches its peak. Spanish Jews are given three months to either convert to Christianity or be expelled. Along with the Moors, most Jews leave Spain.
1493 - Columbus' second expedition to the Americas includes miner, colonists, Hispanicized Africans in bondage and conquistadors. They leave cattle, sugarcane, wheat, and other European animals and plants they have brought with them.
1493 - Pope Alexander VI issues a bull that divides the non-Christian world between Spain and Portugal, granting Spain the larger portion.
1493 - The Songhai (Songhay) Empire reaches its height under Askia Muhammad I, who succeeded Sonni Ali (1464). Muhammad I rules until 1528.
1494 - Christopher Columbus and his crew land on Borinquen. The island's Taino populaion is estimated at between 20,000 and 85, 000. Columbus claims the island for Spain and calls is San Juan Bautista. On this same voyage, Columbus' ships bring cattle, sugarcane, wheat and other European animals and plants to Hispaniola.
1494 - The first Spanish woman arrives in the Americas, sailing with the fleet of Antonio de Floras, who brings supplies to the Spanish colony of Hispaniola.
1496 - Jews are expelled from Portugal.
1496 - Spanish colonists establish a community on the southwestern shore of Hispaniola. Called Santo Domingo, it is the earliest continuously inhabited European community in the Americas.
1497 - Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama sails around southern African's Cape of Good Hope.
1500 - In may of Spain's American colonies, Europeans compel Indians to live in villages to facilitate christianization, tribute payment, and labor drafts. Workhouse where Native Americans are forced to produce textiles, pottery, and furniture as tribute are established.
1502 - 1508 - - Nicolas de Ovando, the new governor of Hispaniola, entices colonists to migrate from Spain with promises of encomiendas (grants of Indian labor). War soon breaks out as the native people resist Spanish attempts to enslave them.
1503 - The House of Trade in Seville is founded to regulate and license commerce between Spain and its American colonies, thus initiating a mercantalist economic relationship with America.
1503 - Portuguese merchants establish a trading post at Zanzibar in eastern Africa.
1504 - Oba Esigie assumes leadership of the kingdom of Benin (now southwestern Nigeria).
1505 - Established Portuguese communities exist on both the east and west coasts of the southern peninsula of Africa.
1505 - Portuguese explorer Francisco de Almeida becomes the first European to reach Ceylon (now Sri Lanka).
1505 - Portuguese forces led by Francisco de Almeida destroy the African city-state of Kilwa when its leader Ibrahim refuses to pay tribute.
1505 - Affonso comes to power in Africa's Kongo (Congo) kingdom. He rules until 1545.
1512 - The Laws of Burgos, Spain, give Spanish colonists the right to enslave American Indians found living on granted lands. They also regulate the treatment of enslaved people.
1513 - The Spanish government approves special licenses permitting the trade in enslaved Africans in San Juan Bautista. By 1518, extensive traffic in enslaved Africans takes place on the island.


1518 - The first known smallpox outbreak in the Caribbean island begins. Within 100 years, European disease epidemics of smallpox, measles and influenza exterminate more than 90 percent of the indigenous population throughout the Americas.
1518 - Spain initiates the asiento system, the granting of official licenses to merchants for importation of African people as slaves into the colonies. Over the next 300 years, 5 million enslaved Africans are brought to the Caribbean, and an equal number die en route. Conditions for enslaved Africans worsen as slavery becomes a permanent rather than a temporary condition, and as the mobility they enjoyed in early colonial times disappears.


1520s - The Kongo (Congo) kingdom in central West Africa becomes Portugal's primary source of enslaved Africans for trade.


1522 - A slave revolt occurs on Hispaniola.

1527 - A revolt against enslavement takes place on Puerto Rico.
1528 - In Africa, Askia Mohammed I's rule of Songhai (Songhay) Empire ends.
1530s - Enslaved Africans brought from Spain and fluent in Spanish accompany the conquistadors on their South American expeditions. Many are rewarded for their service with grants of freedom, land, and Native American labor. In Peru and Mexico, such Hispanicized Africans work as drivers, farmers, miners, and artisans.

1530 - Puerto Rico experiences an economic crisis. With Puerto Rico's gold supply exhausted, many colonists move to other parts of the Spanish Empire. Others turn to agriculture with sugarcane and cattle as principal products.
1538 - A Portuguese slave ship, the first in the Caribbean, reaches Puerto Rico.
1538 - The first known shipment of enslaved Africans arrives in Brazil. By the 1550s, people from the Dahomey, Yoruba, Hausa, and Bantu groups are working sugar plantations in Brazil.

So..............




1505 - Portuguese forces led by Francisco de Almeida destroy the African city-state of Kilwa when its leader Ibrahim refuses to pay tribute.




Portugal had massive firepower to not only conquer but totally destroy the way of live of a people.


Now picture if Katrina was an attack by another country, how would the residents there react to their new conditions provided that New Orleans was a separate country?


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There is no dispute that Portugal had massive firepower as well as the other European countries.

These weapons were developed over many centuries of fighting amongst themselves.


Now they were being trained on the rest of the world.


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So the message here is that white people couldn't manipulate, exploit and give empty promises?
I think they used the reputation they aquired from trading and shit to the locals to go to these slave masters to say " well we need this amt of people(slaves) so we could produce products to trade". Also giving them guns and shit in exchange for the deal and it would have been easier to take over after gaining their trust. I just dont believe that all slavemasters traded slaves knowing whole deal...just plain trickery and coersion.

To that nigga that said coming to america may have been the best thing for us is a fucking idiot. Africa never had a chance to develope so we wouldn't know how we would have been living. You will never know how we could have advanced without these pale bitches fucking it up. COuld have been wonderful who knows... :hmm: oh well.

Ne ways my point is the slave masters were tricked and robbed same shit white people do everyday.
 
You notice that your opinions of events are based on what you believe without doing any research?

How can you come to a conclusion without the facts?


This is how we continue to be deceived.



Our information about history has been colonized to demoralize you.........


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Brother Kay, your damn near always on point. But I thought it was commin knowledge that Africa consists of coutless tribes, most of them bitter rivals. KNOWING this to be true today, I dont see how this would be drastically different 500 years ago. Im willing to bet that those that were sold off, werent their own tribe members. I refuse to belive a bunch of white people had the might and the nuts to go into Africa and "take" some muthafuckas. White cops dont ride down the hood dolo in some parts of BK, you tellin me white folks are gonna dock the boat, go ashore, and take that many muthafuckas??? Hell no, they had some kinda deal going on, otherwise they would have ended up like those fuckers at Jamestown. Im as problack as they come, but black folks been divided for eons, and slavery was a product of it. Sorry, cant go there with you on this brother.
 
So you're telling me that a group of people that hord all their resources for themselves, commit genocide against their own people and always at war in the 2000's wouldn't sell the people they dispise in the 1400's?

GTFOH with that black righteous shit! I'm sure there were some that tried to prevent slavery but I can't help but apply a common sense approach. If they're doing that shit now while the rest of the world is past that then why on earth wouldn't they have done it back then?

We shoulder SOME (not all or even most) of the blame also. It's not to easen the burden, it's for us to start taking responsibility also.

Besides, slavery gort your black ass over here so it wasn't all bad (for you).

Look at it like this, if you had a chance for your kids to come to the greatest country in the world would you? Cubans risk their lives on a 90 mile trip on a blow up raft just on a maybe..

I bet million bones that your ass wouldn't be saying that shit if you were picking cotton for massa.

Lets all put this into perspective, say that there was no Martin Luther King, no Malcolm X, no Harriet Tubman, Abraham Lincoln, no other freedom fighters to get us all to the point we're at today. Would you still say all of that shit you just typed ? :rolleyes:
 
I FEEL YOU...BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT AFRICANS DID TRADE US NOT KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE TREATED SO BADLY AS SLAVE.....YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAD SLAVE IN AFRICA TOO RIGHT?....BUT IT WASN'T THE SAME...IF YOU WAS A SLAVE IN AFRICA, YOU WOULD BE FREE AFTER 7 YEARS.....
Yep indentured servants
 
I recently watched this documentary which added some perspective to the myth that Africans just "allowed" slaves to be taken.

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Besides, slavery gort your black ass over here so it wasn't all bad (for you).

Look at it like this, if you had a chance for your kids to come to the greatest country in the world would you? Cubans risk their lives on a 90 mile trip on a blow up raft just on a maybe..

The US isn't the greatest country in the world. It's too violent, belligerent, and doesn't care about the health of its populace. It just has a better PR effort than most.

And trying to justify the slave trade by using that argument is absurd.
 
the notion that white men came to africa with great big fish nets, cages, and rifles and just "stole" us, is a work of pure fiction.

white men would still be over there now trying to catch africans if that is how they did it.

the truth of the matter is that many of us were already SLAVES when white people hit the shores of africa, and we were used as currency and traded out for jewelry, art, liquor etc etc...

what i've personally found suspicious is the fact that several slave traders wrote memoirs (books) about their experiences on slave ships, and history acts as though these books simply do not exist. in these books they talk precisely about how they went about rounding up slaves - yet nobody seems to care.

They may not be literally doing this now, but understand that Colonisation didn't end until the 60s/70s! And thats only because Europeans found new ways to rape Africa!
 
some africans sold slaves

so fuckin what?

is that supposed to make it okay? the only people who would bring shit like that up are either ignorant or racist

Exactly but there are black folks in America that base their entire understanding of Africa on that one point.
 
The Trans-Atlantic slave trade would not have been possible on that scale were it not for the complicity of Africans. Detach yourself emotionally for a minute and think about in from an economics standpoint. Would it have been profitable for Europeans to have to capture slaves every time that went into Africa? They would have had to navigate an unfamiliar, hostile landscape and risk their lives doing so. On top of that they would not be guaranteed to capture any slaves. It would not have been economically feasible. Bottom line is that it was a business, a business that was profitable for both Europeans and Africans.
 
Ever heard of The Ashanti Wars, or Dahomenian vs the Yorubas (both of these are cousins) invasion of Abeokuta, whee the Benins raided the Yorubas conquered certain areas sold them as slaves to the Portugese and Brits then the Brits defeated the Benins took them as slaves to Haiti. Yea some where traded but majority where conquered...
 
Peace... but I gotta say, that statement below is unbridled bullshit.

I made this analogy in a previous post, but it fits here too. Say, your daughter is brutally brutally brutally raped, almost to the point of death. It's so bad that it fucks her up emotionally and mentally for the rest of her life. Thing is, she gets pregnant from the rape, and for whatever reason, she has the baby.


Fast forwrad 25 years... the baby that was the product of the rape that ruined your daughters life is now a adult, and has developed into a genius... he or she is responsible for many advances in medicine that will better people's lives around the globe. He/she discovers a cure for cancer and a cure for AIDS, and for the heck of it, let's say that your daughter had one of those diseases and was cured by her child's discovery. There is no question that the world is a better place as a direct result of your grandchild's existence.

Remember, this grandchild is the direct result of a brutal attack that ruined your daughter's life. With his/her accomplishments in mind, would you say that the rape wasn't all bad? Would you tell your daughter "hey, that serum saved your life, and it wouldn't exist if you hadn't been raped, so that worked out pretty nicely for you" ?


Besides, slavery gort your black ass over here so it wasn't all bad (for you).

Look at it like this, if you had a chance for your kids to come to the greatest country in the world would you? Cubans risk their lives on a 90 mile trip on a blow up raft just on a maybe..
 
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So you think Africans just stood by when the Europeans came and offered up 20 million slaves to the "New World"?

Isn't that the beef some of you have?


I know that shit is NOT taught in your schools but at least try to find out the truth before you take the European version as truth........


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No Africans did not STAND BY when the European Shipping Magnates showed up looking to get involved in the SLAVE TRADE!

Nope that's not how it went down!

It went down like this, African Warlords and Despots would take their enemies & POWs from Tribal Wars and conflicts and then sell them off into slavery to the Europeans that wanted to capitalize on Slave Trade with the New World. The Countries that dominated the Shipping Industry during that time were Italy, Spain, and Portugal.

Pasty-ass, pale-ass, Crackas from Europe didn't round up Slaves in Sub-Saharan Africa where Temperatures hit 100 Deg.+ all the time.

Sellout-ass, Stupid-Ass Warlords would use the Slave Trade to weaken Tribes that they thought were a threat to their own Tribe, and to weaken their enemies and claim lands that were vacated and devastated due to the numbers of slaves being taken.

Ninjas in America complain about Bush, but don't say SHIT about the warlords and despots in Africa that SOLD US TO THE WHITE MAN knowing that we would end up in Slavery in the New World.

Am I wrong Kaya?

Grade me on a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being wack and CRAZY and 10 being 100% correct.
 
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So you think Africans just stood by when the Europeans came and offered up 20 million slaves to the "New World"?

Isn't that the beef some of you have?


I know that shit is NOT taught in your schools but at least try to find out the truth before you take the European version as truth........


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It was a mutually beneficial trade.
Europeans had a strategic plan for the slaves and the African traders were thinking in terms of wealth acquisition.
Many African tribes benefited from the trade, the Ashanti and Benin Empires to name a couple.
In fact some of these tribes protested the abolition of the slave trade.
Slaves were generally taken from tribes that were enemies but not exclusively.
The slave trade would never have been as successful as it was if both parties were not complicit.
There is no point either in any party trying to attach blame, because, had any of us been alive at the time and had been members of the trading tribe, the likelihood of our objecting to a trade we benefited from would have been unlikely, because we would have thought the same way they did at the time.
 
comparing indentured servitude to american slavery is comparing assault and battery to murder
both are crimes but one is more heinous

The white apologists' theories for the Triangle Slave Trade are some of the most vile, saddest, self-hatingest, hurtful things I have ever seen.

There is no way that people who were accustomed to rituals in warfare, and conventions regarding the taking and treatment of prisoners, could conceive of the brutality that would take place once they relinquished those prisoners to white "traders".

That is not to say that it may have changed their agreements with the traders, or negated them outright, but it is known that there was generally honor in warfare, and the brutalities that were perpetrated by the white slavetraders were not those Africans who took slaves, or may have traded in slaves.

It's a simple concept, and is shameful that there are people here who can't make a distinction.

There is wrongdoing and there is utter inhumanity ... there is a large difference.
 
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Slavery has existed Since time began for humanity.. shit still exists today... No one is right or wrong.. it just is.. So you either fight for your freedom or shut the fuck up.
 
The white apologists' theories for the Triangle Slave Trade are some of the most, vile, saddest, self-hatingest, hurtful things I have ever seen.

There is no way that people who were accustomed to rituals in warfare, and conventions regarding the taking and treatment of prisoners, could conceive of the brutality that would take place once they relinquished those prisoners to white "traders".

That is not to say that it may have changed their agreements with the traders, or negated them outright, but it is known that there was generally honor in warfare, and the brutalities that were perpetrated by the white slavetraders were not the of those Africans who took slaves, or may have traded in slaves.

It's a simple concept, and is shameful that there are people here who can't make a distinction.

There is wrongdoing and there is utter inhumanity ... there is a large difference.

c/s
 
The white apologists' theories for the Triangle Slave Trade are some of the most, vile, saddest, self-hatingest, hurtful things I have ever seen.

There is no way that people who were accustomed to rituals in warfare, and conventions regarding the taking and treatment of prisoners, could conceive of the brutality that would take place once they relinquished those prisoners to white "traders".

That is not to say that it may have changed their agreements with the traders, or negated them outright, but it is known that there was generally honor in warfare, and the brutalities that were perpetrated by the white slavetraders were not the of those Africans who took slaves, or may have traded in slaves.

It's a simple concept, and is shameful that there are people here who can't make a distinction.

There is wrongdoing and there is utter inhumanity ... there is a large difference.
even if they knew sfw? blacks being cruel gives crackas a pass for terror and murder? :smh: some folks are nuts bruh
 
The African slave trade was and still is horrific but it pales in comparison to what Europeans did to other Europeans. The Dark Ages lasted at least 800yrs, Slave is a european word. What people who care should attempt is suspending belief and take a clear, unbiased, honest look at what people have done to each other for the last 2000yrs and why they did it, the govts, institutions and dogmas paint a much different picture.
 
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