As This Gaza Invasion Escalates, I'm Finding It Harder To Like Obama

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"I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT OUR SUPPORT OF ISRAEL IS SACROSANCT."
--BARACK OBAMA






McClatchy Washington Bureau
Posted on Tue, Dec. 30, 2008
Israeli troops dance as they await the order for a Gaza war
Dion Nissenbaum | McClatchy Newspapers

ALONG THE ISRAEL-GAZA STRIP BORDER — In a muddy field overlooking the smoke-blackened Gaza Strip skyline on Tuesday, young soldiers from an Israeli tank unit linked arms with euphoric civilians and joined them in the hora, a circular dance, in anticipation of a possible ground invasion of the Palestinian territory.

Far overhead, a pair of Israeli Apache helicopters fired on a target inside Gaza, unleashed diversionary flares and disappeared to the north. Elsewhere in the autonomous Palestinian region, Israeli jets, helicopters and ships pummeled the area with new strikes against dozens of targets.

Hour after hour, Israeli jets, helicopters and ships pummeled the region with new strikes against dozens of targets as diplomats took the first tentative steps to head off a ground offensive.

Four days into the Israeli military campaign, the death toll among Palestinians topped 370, including at least 90 civilians, according to U.N. personnel and Palestinian human rights workers.

Palestinian rocket attacks have killed four people on the Israeli side since the offensive began Saturday, and Israel says its military operation won't end until the rockets stop crashing into Israeli cities.

Gaza militants warned of dire consequences should Israeli leaders launch a new, more dangerous phase of the offensive to destabilize the militant Islamist group Hamas, which controls Gaza, and end the sporadic rocket attacks on Israel from Gaza.

"If you enter Gaza, the children will collect your flesh and the remains of your tanks, which will be spread out through the streets," said a leading Hamas spokesman, who goes by the nom-de-guerre Abu Obeida, in a videotaped statement delivered to reporters in the Gaza Strip.

The militants fired rockets ever-deeper into Israel Tuesday, with one of about 40 harmlessly hitting the outskirts of Beersheba, a city with 185,000 residents about 28 miles from the Gaza Strip border.

On the Israeli side of the frontier, however, the prospect of an expanded war unleashed a surge of emotions. Huge speakers blasted religious songs from the tops of two beat-up cars that brought dozens of civilians to cheer on some of the thousands of troops who would take part in any possible ground invasion.

"His breath kindleth coals," read a quote from Job in Hebrew on a sign alongside the Israeli tank unit at the staging area on the border. "And a flame goeth forth from his mouth."

"It's a war," said a 25-year-old Israeli military police captain. "We have to go in. What else can we do?" The officer declined to give his name because he said he could be disciplined for talking a reporter.

International pressure for a cease-fire was building Tuesday, but the Bush administration, which has blamed Hamas for the crisis and declined to criticize Israel's actions, hasn't demanded an immediate cease-fire.

European ministers, meeting in Paris, called Tuesday evening for an "immediate and permanent cease-fire," as well as the opening of all border crossings into the Gaza Strip. That call was echoed at the United Nations following a conference call that included Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and representatives from the European Union and Russia.

President George W. Bush and Rice intensified their telephone diplomacy, with Rice urging Arab leaders to pressure Hamas to accept a cease-fire and halt rocket attacks on Israel, according to diplomats and others briefed on the talks.

Israeli officials said privately that Defense Minister Ehud Barak was contemplating a French proposal for a 48-hour cease-fire to alleviate the crisis.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, however, quickly dismissed the idea.

"Israel thinks that taking the pressure off Hamas, giving them a respite to regroup and rearm and prepare for a second round is a mistake," said Olmert spokesman Mark Regev.

Regev emphasized that Israel was "open to every creative humanitarian idea" to allow more aid into Gaza.

However, Israel Tuesday targeted more of the elaborate network of smugglers' tunnels between Egypt and Gaza that's provided the main supply line for 1.5 million Palestinians living in the densely populated Mediterranean region.

With more tunnels shut down, supplies are running dangerously low in Gaza. Israel and Egypt have allowed in limited amounts of aid, but Palestinians said that demand was far outstripping supply.

Grocery stores were reported to be running out of food. Large swaths of the Gaza Strip were thrown into longer blackouts, and hospital blood supplies have run low.

Israel allowed five ambulances provided by Turkey to enter Gaza as Palestinian hospitals struggled to deal with more than 1,800 people injured in the ongoing assault.

Earlier Tuesday, the Israeli navy rammed a 60-foot yacht run owned by pro-Palestinian activists that tried to bring three tons of medical aid from Cyprus to Gaza. The boat, which previously had made four trips from Larnaca to Gaza, was forcibly turned away by the Israeli navy and limped back north to Lebanon.

Not all the Israeli civilians called up in the crisis were eager for the ground offensive.

"I really hope it will end in a short time with some kind of settlement," said Tal, a 33-year-old Israeli reservist with a tank unit stationed near the Gaza border. "I think we made a big achievement and now I really hope the other side will stop shooting."

Tal, a veterinarian from the Tel Aviv area who fought in Israel's 2006 war against Hezbollah in Lebanon, said the military was far better prepared this time.

"We made a lot of stupid mistakes," he said of the 2006 war that led to the resignation of Israel's defense minister and other top leaders who were blamed for leading the military into a costly ground offensive.

"I think this time we are doing much better," Tal said while taking a coffee break near the Gaza border. "We are talking less and doing more."

The Israeli military has told soldiers to expect booby-trapped tunnels, roadside bombs and other hazards if they punch into Gaza, and Israeli troops know that fighting in the densely populated Gaza Strip will be difficult, dangerous and deadly.

"I really think it will be bad for the two sides because, if we go inside, there will be lots of civilian casualties and a lot of soldiers might be killed," Tal said before heading back to his unit to continue preparing for battle.

(McClatchy special correspondent Ahmed Abu Hamda in Gaza City and Warren P. Strobel in Washington contributed to this article.)

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'Eight civilians killed' in surgical strike on truck
• Israelis display bombing of 'missiles' on YouTube
• Rights group calls for inquiry into alleged error

An Israeli human rights group said yesterday it was investigating claims that an apparent surgical strike on a Hamas missile truck in Gaza, which is being publicised by Israel's armed forces on its website, is a case of mistaken targeting that has left eight civilians dead.

Monochrome images of the attack have been repeatedly shown by media around the world after being released by the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to demonstrate both the accuracy of their attacks and that Hamas was trying to move and hide rockets. The footage was also posted on the Israeli military's YouTube site.

However, the Israeli-Palestinian B'Tselem group in Gaza has testimony from the owner of the truck, as well as photographs taken at the scene, which appear to suggest that the vehicle was being used to transport gas welding canisters from a metalworking shop.

The air attack took place at 6pm on Monday in Salah al-Din street in Jabaliya. The grainy thermal imaging footage taken by the Israeli Predator drone that launched the rocket against the truck showed ghostly figures clustered around a vehicle loaded with what the Israeli airforce described as missiles being moved to a safe hiding place by Hamas fighters.

According to testimony supplied by truck owner Abu Imad-Sanur, members of his family had been trying to salvage material from a metal workshop he owns next door to a bombed house. The canisters, he claimed, were being moved to prevent looting.

He named the dead as Muhammad Bassel Madi, 17, Wisam Akram Eid, 14, Imad Ahmad Sanur, 32, Rami Sa'adi Ghabayan, 24, Mahmoud Nabil Ghabayan, 14, Ashraf al-Dabagh, 26, Muhammad Majed Ka'abar, 20, and Ahmad Ibrahim Khila, 15. Imad-Sanur denies any connections with militant organisations in the Gaza Strip that have been blamed for targeting Israeli towns with rockets.

The pictures released by B'Tselem yesterday - which it says were taken at the site - show the burnt-out wreckage of a truck that appears to have been loaded with scrap metal and gas welding tanks, with the gas valves still attached. An undamaged tank, apparently thrown out of the vehicle by the explosion, is identical in shape to the burned ones.

"I own a metalworks near the Palestinian Red Cross,' said Imad-Sanur in his testimony. "On Monday I was told a metalworking shop had been blown up, so I collected my sons to go there. When we arrived we saw that the house next door [understood to belong to a Hamas official] had been completely destroyed. There was a 10-metre-deep crater. Some of the walls had caved in into my shop.

"I was afraid people would steal my stuff and decided to move it."

It was while his son Imad was directing the loading of the second truckload that it was hit while Imad-Sanur - who suffers from asthma - was standing across the road to avoid the dust. "Friends and neighbours had come to help. Imad was standing on the truck. Suddenly I saw a huge flash and heard a booming sound. I started running and saw bodies everywhere. One of them was Imad. That was when I fainted."

Imad-Sanur told the Guardian yesterday: "I'm not satisfied with what's going on. Please, we want peace. Who wants his children to die? Who hates peace? The Israeli account is absolutely wrong. The pickup is still there and the oxygen cylinder is still next to it. Anyone can come and look at it."

Sarit Michaeli, a spokeswoman for B'Tselem, said that while her organisation had not been able to verify Imad-Sanur's claims that he was not involved with militants in Gaza, his story that he was moving welding equipment seemed believable. "What this emphasises is that this incident needs to be investigated by the IDF, lessons learned and if necessary people retrained. It is impossible to avoid civilian casualties, but in this case it is clear that an investigation is required."
 
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Blasphemer. Thou shalt burn in hell for what ye sayeth.


















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This is the change we wanted. I guess he is still playing chess. Don't worry. He has to do what the zionist want. Its only his first term coming up, he needs to play chess to get a second term THEN change will come. :hmm:...........................:lol:

Hey, at least we have a black face lying and blowing smoke up our ass bout world affairs now, thats what we wanted.
 
Quit shooting missles at the jews and their dumb asses wouldn't get blasted...Arafat was offered a sweet deal and turned it down. Israel offered to rebuild palestinians infrastructure and housing and arafat told them to turn it down. Live in poverty. Both sides are wrong but the arabs decisions are just stupid at this point.
 
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Blasphemer. Thou shalt burn in hell for what ye sayeth.

:hmm:

:lol:

This is the change we wanted. I guess he is still playing chess. Don't worry. He has to do what the zionist want. Its only his first term coming up, he needs to play chess to get a second term THEN change will come. :hmm:...........................:lol:

Hey, at least we have a black face lying and blowing smoke up our ass bout world affairs now, thats what we wanted.


...Sarcastic, and succinct...
 
Quit shooting missles at the jews and their dumb asses wouldn't get blasted...Arafat was offered a sweet deal and turned it down. Israel offered to rebuild palestinians infrastructure and housing and arafat told them to turn it down. Live in poverty. Both sides are wrong but the arabs decisions are just stupid at this point.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. ISRAEL BLOCKADED AND STARVED OUT THE PALESTINIANS, PROVOKING THEM TO TAKE ACTION, AND BESIDES I DON'T THINK THAT ITS EVEN BEEN PROVEN THE HAMAS GOVERNMENT WAS BEHIND THE ROCKET ATTACKS. COULD HAVE BEEN ANYONE INCLUDING ISRAEL.
 

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. ISRAEL BLOCKADED AND STARVED OUT THE PALESTINIANS, PROVOKING THEM TO TAKE ACTION, AND BESIDES I DON'T THINK THAT ITS EVEN BEEN PROVEN THE HAMAS GOVERNMENT WAS BEHIND THE ROCKET ATTACKS.

:yes::yes::yes: some of these idiots don't understand this.
 

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. ISRAEL BLOCKADED AND STARVED OUT THE PALESTINIANS, PROVOKING THEM TO TAKE ACTION, AND BESIDES I DON'T THINK THAT ITS EVEN BEEN PROVEN THE HAMAS GOVERNMENT WAS BEHIND THE ROCKET ATTACKS. COULD HAVE BEEN ANYONE INCLUDING ISRAEL.

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snark are you from gaza?? in all seriousness we need to take care of home first. also last time I checked Obama hasn't been sworn in yet.

A good start to taking care of home would be telling Israel in a polite way to go fuck itself, maybe got keep some of that 30 billion a year we give them here. Plus they just passed more legislation giving Israel more of our 'take care of home money."

Not to mention all the arab countries america has to pay off cause of Israel. Taking care of home would start by not being the only country in the solar system that constantly votes in favor of that shithole.

Fuck them Arabs and Fuck an Israel, I agree, lets take care of home.....................and not contantly worry about the euro zionist fake ass homeland.
 
A good start to taking care of home would be telling Israel in a polite way to go fuck itself, maybe got keep some of that 30 billion a year we give them here. Plus they just passed more legislation giving Israel more of our 'take care of home money."

Not to mention all the arab countries america has to pay off cause of Israel. Taking care of home would start by not being the only country in the solar system that constantly votes in favor of that shithole.

Fuck them Arabs and Fuck an Israel, I agree, lets take care of home.....................and not contantly worry about the euro zionist fake ass homeland.


C/S.............
 
Quit shooting missles at the jews and their dumb asses wouldn't get blasted...Arafat was offered a sweet deal and turned it down. Israel offered to rebuild palestinians infrastructure and housing and arafat told them to turn it down. Live in poverty. Both sides are wrong but the arabs decisions are just stupid at this point.

:dance:Kill yourself kike lover:dance::dance::dance:
 
A good start to taking care of home would be telling Israel in a polite way to go fuck itself, maybe got keep some of that 30 billion a year we give them here. Plus they just passed more legislation giving Israel more of our 'take care of home money."

Not to mention all the arab countries america has to pay off cause of Israel. Taking care of home would start by not being the only country in the solar system that constantly votes in favor of that shithole.

Fuck them Arabs and Fuck an Israel, I agree, lets take care of home.....................and not contantly worry about the euro zionist fake ass homeland.

:yes:C/S Let them fake ass Jew crackkkas fend for themselves for a change. we got enough problems over here.
 
If it wasn't for Darfur maybe the Arabs could get some sympathy. But considering the circumstances maybe Israel and America should just destroy Islam while they can.
 
A good start to taking care of home would be telling Israel in a polite way to go fuck itself, maybe got keep some of that 30 billion a year we give them here. Plus they just passed more legislation giving Israel more of our 'take care of home money."

Not to mention all the arab countries america has to pay off cause of Israel. Taking care of home would start by not being the only country in the solar system that constantly votes in favor of that shithole.

Fuck them Arabs and Fuck an Israel, I agree, lets take care of home.....................and not contantly worry about the euro zionist fake ass homeland.


Yo Gene, please school a brotha here. What benefit do we derive from giving Israel that much money when we have can't even take care of our own in times of disasters (too many to name). Please don't say intelligence because we have too many intelligence agencies in this country :rolleyes: to dole out that kind of money for information. :smh:
 
Yo Gene, please school a brotha here. What benefit do we derive from giving Israel that much money when we have can't even take care of our own in times of disasters (too many to name). Please don't say intelligence because we have too many intelligence agencies in this country :rolleyes: to dole out that kind of money for information. :smh:

Israel is a destabilizing influence in the MidEast.

The MidEast has oil.

Anywhere the US wants resources, it destabilizes the region (Central America, Africa, South America, Southeast Asia, etc.).

As long as the MidEast has oil, the US will use Israel to destablize it.

A peaceful and prosperous Arab world is a threat to honkey interests or white supremacy.

Considering how both Israel and the MidEast treat us, who cares if they want to kill themselves.
 
Nope. No confusion here. President-elect Obama is not the sitting president. And he has resigned for the Senate. What part of that is confusing? :hmm:

HE IS THE PRESIDENT ELECT, AND HE TOLD YOU WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO [SUPPORT ISRAEL *SEE ABOVE QUOTE*] THEN HE APPOINTED A ZIONIST AS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF. IT TAKES REAL TALENT TO MISS THESE FACTS. HE ALSO APPOINTED A SELF-DESCRIBED ZIONIST AS HIS RUNNING-MATE SEE VIDEO:



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I am really impatient to see how Obama deals with Isreal vis a vis the timing of her actions and the aggresiveness.
 
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LOL @ snark9. Like he liked Obama to begin with. Obama is not yet the president. END OF STORY! :smh:
 
HE IS THE PRESIDENT ELECT, AND HE TOLD YOU WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO [SUPPORT ISRAEL *SEE ABOVE QUOTE*] THEN HE APPOINTED A ZIONIST AS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF. IT TAKES REAL TALENT TO MISS THESE FACTS. HE ALSO APPOINTED A SELF-DESCRIBED ZIONIST AS HIS RUNNING-MATE SEE VIDEO:
As it has been so duly noted in this thread thus far, politicians say a lot of things to get elected. If he was bullshittin' Blacks, why could he not also be bullshittin' Jews? As for Emmanuel: Madoff Was a loyal 'Zionist', too... before his nearly 60 billion dollar Ponzi scheme broke the backs of many Jews and Jewish organizations the world over. Joe Biden is NO different than 99% of the politicians ion America. The chances of Obama being able to find a sitting US politician who would openly shit on Israel is nil. All of that being stated... It's still irrelevant to my central point. Barack Obama is NOT the president and NOT even a senator. Any criticism of his future presidency is speculative and 17 days premature.

And dude, the 'ether' bit is lame. :cool:
 
As it has been so duly noted in this thread thus far, politicians say a lot of things to get elected. If he was bullshittin' Blacks, why could he not also be bullshittin' Jews? As for Emmanuel: Madoff Was a loyal 'Zionist', too... before his nearly 60 billion dollar Ponzi scheme broke the backs of many Jews and Jewish organizations the world over. Joe Biden is NO different than 99% of the politicians ion America. The chances of Obama being able to find a sitting US politician who would openly shit on Israel is nil. All of that being stated... It's still irrelevant to my central point. Barack Obama is NOT the president and NOT even a senator. Any criticism of his future presidency is speculative and 17 days premature.

And dude, the 'ether' bit is lame. :cool:

NO FACTS.

BESIDES THE ANSWER TO MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS THE JEWISH LOBBY, AND EXEPT BEING A JEW, MADOFF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.


OH WAIT, I GET IT NOW. OBAMA APPOINTS ZIONISTS BECAUSE HE IS ANTI-ISRAEL. YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!
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IVE GIVEN YOU THE REASONS WHY HE WILL SUPPORT ISRAEL [INCLUDING THE FACT THAT HE SAYS IT REPEATEDLY] CAN YOU GIVE ANY FACTS TO THE CONTRARY? IF NOT, SHUT THE HELL UP CAUSE NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU PREFER TO THINK.
 
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The thing is Obama spoke like a typical American zionist muppet.

That is all anybody is saying. Nothing different then shit bush, clinton, or reagan would say. We can wait 17 days or 117 or 1117 and I bet it would be the same fucking shit.

He could speak on America being the lone country to vote with Israel, I mean what? He can't? What they gonna do take his presidency away? But he sure as hell can defend them at every turn, just like that fucking muppet condi.

Plus Obama is still on that Afghan shit(a totally unneeded military campaign)..............................its gonna be a long 4 fucking years. :smh:


Its like the Zionist just preparing the stage on january 20, like jim henson prepared a muppet show. They don't care if Kermit is the star as long as they off stage pulling strings.
 
The part I don't understand is:

Did any of you guys think he would shit on Isreal at this point? Has anyone of any substantial position besides dudes throwing rocks from behind anonymous names on porn boards? That's just ridiculous.

Understand this: The Jews are POWERFUL. You guys talk that shit from where you sit, but who's to say you would still talk it if you were in his shoes?

I disagree with Obama on this issue as well, but really, I am pretty sure I know what I would be saying if I were in his position.

So the question is, IS OBAMA REALLY JUST PLAYING ALONG ON SOME SPOOK WHO SAT BY THE DOOR SHIT OR IS HE REALLY SUPPORTING THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY? There's no way to know besides what he says and who really cares? That part of his presidency renders him powerless, because no one can fuck with the Jews from where they sit right now. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

And oh yeah, he aint president yet.
 
Why did anyone expect Obama to have a different policy towards Israel?

Secondly, why is there so much talk by Black Americans about what goes on in Israel? What's going on in Gaza doesn't concern us. Them Palestinians aren't concerned about our struggles here.
 
Why did anyone expect Obama to have a different policy towards Israel?

Secondly, why is there so much talk by Black Americans about what goes on in Israel? What's going on in Gaza doesn't concern us. Them Palestinians aren't concerned about our struggles here.

Cause money and resources constantly given to Israel should be used for us. Most brothers on here take the position of fuck Israel and Palestinians.

They pass bills to send that bitch Israel more funds yet don't give young black kids in the city proper schools and resources.

They are more concerned with that fake euro colony then our people here, so I say fuck them.

I didn't expect Obama to be different on most anything, that is why he was electable. No threat to the status quo.
 
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