Feminism, Financial Advancement, and Still You Ladies Lost! My 2 cents

[keysersoze]

I've been thinking that with all the advancements women have made - they still lost, perhaps lost more than before.

You know why, because now they got everything in terms of equality and yet are still unhappy. The reason why because they are not given the one thing all women want: marriage of some sort in the long term (some want a steady partner, which is the same shit).

Look at the stats - marriage is on the decline, more random fucking is on the increase, and cheating in marriage is on the increase.

Women want marriage (or that serious long term-relationship) and want to be treated like "ladies" as per the old days, yet they want to be sexually liberated. What does that result in??

Letting men fuck them and not even get anywhere with those men because the men are not gonna marry some woman who they can fuck for free - why risk the fucking with marriage where you may divorce and lose half.

Sure women will say that, hey maybe I don't want marriage either: I want to fuck for free too without strings attached. Sure, thats cool and all when your in your 20s but by the time you hit your mid 30s ... you now want "stability." Now what???

The cats your age that your interested in sharing that stability are out fucking those 20 year olds who are "exploring their sexuality." Thus the older women get, the more they lose. It's not hard for a dude who is making a steady income and got his own place to land a nice 20 something year old shorty. But for women, who got their own careers, apartments/houses, and handling their shit - it gets harder and harder for them to land men on their age and younger - they have to look at the older men perhaps in the 40s and 50s range - some who are divorcees and got kids of their own. You men are getting the short end of the deal with all this.

On top of that, with all the "advancements" women are seeing women as more and more sex objects in society; with more strip clubs, growing popularity of porn, glamour model where the emphasis is the ass/tits over anything else, and clothing that reveal more every decade. Its gotten worse and worse to see women as sex toys than "women."

You women lost.

I'd like to hear some ladies respond to this.

btw, I think the only women that won are bisexual women or gay women since they are not subjected to many of the constrains I mentioned.

 

[PrincessC]

But for women, who got their own careers, apartments/houses, and handling their shit - it gets harder and harder for them to land men on their age and younger - they have to look at the older men perhaps in the 40s and 50s range - some who are divorcees and got kids of their own. You men are getting the short end of the deal with all this.

Did you mean women or men?

I hate when men go on rants like this. If women aren't "open", you call them prudes, stuck up, cold, blah blah blah. But if they are comfortable in their sexuality, they suddenly "lose" Sounds like women can't win any way they try.

 

[jucurious]

ummmm THIS POST is lost and YOU are lost if you think that women have equality.

Yes there have been advancements but equality hasn't been reached and it wont for a VERY VERY long time. it probably wont be reached until America alters how it thinks about gender roles and parental responsibility which would actually be beneficial to both women and MEN but people aren't really thinking about that.

as one of my professors says, "the stronger women get, the more men love football" hahaha

^it's the title of a book

 

[Cleopatra_J]

In what world does this represent all women? You're a pessimist aren't you? Looking for the downside of things?

Not all 20-somethings are out searching for sexual liberation and trying to "Fuck like men" with no strings attached, that is an over generalization fueled by too much TV. Only a handful of women equate feminism with promiscuity.

Sure women will say that, hey maybe I don't want marriage either: I want to fuck for free too without strings attached. Sure, thats cool and all when your in your 20s but by the time you hit your mid 30s ... you now want "stability." Now what???

btw, I think the only women that won are bisexual women or gay women since they are not subjected to many of the constrains I mentioned.

wtf kinda sense does this make? Many people in same sex couples will say that they face the same problems that heterosexual couples face.. But let me make sure I'm understanding you... it's ok to be sexually promiscuous if your gay or bisexual because you don't seek the affection of a man?? Seriously... wtf

 

[SEXY_SCORPIO]

Wow, do you really believe everything you just wrote.

 

[followup]

But let me make sure I'm understanding you... it's ok to be sexually promiscuous if your gay or bisexual because you don't seek the affection of a man?? Seriously... wtf

Nooooooo... It's only O.K. to be sexually promiscuous if you are a man.

 

[DeSiRe]

 

[Cleopatra_J]

 

[LeroyDibiase]

This was a whole bunch of stupidness...however, women and men are not equal. They aren't made equal and nor should they be equal (in some ways). Sure, there are things that should be equal (pay for the same job, hiring rates for qualified applicants, things of that nature), but women shouldn't want to be equal to men. They would lose A LOT of their advantages. It's counter-productive to society for men and women to become truly equal. [hide]Waits for ignorant response from those who didn't understand what I meant[/hide]

 

[Blunt]

It's counter-productive to society for men and women to become truly equal.

Same with blacks and whites, right?

 

[keysersoze]

Did you mean women or men?

I hate when men go on rants like this. If women aren't "open", you call them prudes, stuck up, cold, blah blah blah. But if they are comfortable in their sexuality, they suddenly "lose" Sounds like women can't win any way they try.

I meant women up there.

No, if they are prudes - I don't think they lost. What did they lose? They are just being prudent in their choices.

 

[keysersoze]

Yes there have been advancements but equality hasn't been reached and it wont for a VERY VERY long time. it probably wont be reached until America alters how it thinks about gender roles and parental responsibility which would actually be beneficial to both women and MEN but people aren't really thinking about that.

Granted that you may argue that equality has not been reached but you must concede that things are "improving," right?

Thus, ask yourself - with all the improvements, what have women really gained? There is still more and more sexual objectification of women then there was 20 years ago. I don't see American attitudes about gender roles changing anytime soon.

 

[OnSlaught]

Please, do NOT quote IT...I do not want to see any responses IT has to make...thank you...

Now for the real topic at hand, I'm not sure why gender roles would want to be thrown out of balance...BALANCE. I think it's fine for a woman to make as much as a man, share responsibility around the house and in financial responsibilities, and care of children if there are any...but what else do women want?

If it is respect, then that's individual of every man that you will meet...some are assholes and others are gentlemen.

And if it has anything to do with the "Double Standard" then good luck with that, 'cause you might see Racism eradicated before you see Patriarchal society not be seen through a male dominated point of view...

 

[keysersoze]

Nooooooo... It's only O.K. to be sexually promiscuous if you are a man.

In what world does this represent all women? You're a pessimist aren't you? Looking for the downside of things?

Not all 20-somethings are out searching for sexual liberation and trying to "Fuck like men" with no strings attached, that is an over generalization fueled by too much TV. Only a handful of women equate feminism with promiscuity.

Sexual promiscuity is what it is: be it a man that does it or a women.

I'm fine if women want to judge men on how many tits they've sucked - I'm sure its not the same reaction a man will have when finding his girl has sucked that much dick - this your choice to make ladies. Ladies are accommodating, not men (go into any Reggie Bush & Kim K thread and see how Reggie gets clowned for wanting to wife up Ray J's "leftovers").

While not all 20 something year olds are out there getting what they can, many (emphasis on many) are. I posted an article that showed the statistical increase in young 20 something year olds in random hooking up and the decline of dating.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=334929

Therefore I'm basing this theory upon large scale occurrences within society.

wtf kinda sense does this make? Many people in same sex couples will say that they face the same problems that heterosexual couples face.. But let me make sure I'm understanding you... it's ok to be sexually promiscuous if your gay or bisexual because you don't seek the affection of a man?? Seriously... wtf

I mentioned that because my analysis is specific to women seeking men. I'm admitting my own limitations in my theory/analysis.

btw, I think the only women that won are bisexual women or gay women since they are not subjected to many of the constrains I mentioned.

They have won more in relative to heterosexual women because as I mentioned before, men are much more quick to fuck and judge as opposed to women. Women fuck and try to form relationships - men see a relationship and fuck to confirm it.

If your a woman who has doubt that you are in a relationship, and let him fuck - don't be shocked if later he pulls the, "I don't see no ring" (Eddie) lines on you.

Gay/bi women may have similar problems but they are not as comparatively worse overall by the feminist agenda as heterosexual women.

 

[keysersoze]

Wow, do you really believe everything you just wrote.

I'd like to think not but at that moment and currently do.

I may think otherwise if shown so.

 

[keysersoze]

This was a whole bunch of stupidness...however, women and men are not equal. They aren't made equal and nor should they be equal (in some ways). Sure, there are things that should be equal (pay for the same job, hiring rates for qualified applicants, things of that nature), but women shouldn't want to be equal to men. They would lose A LOT of their advantages. It's counter-productive to society for men and women to become truly equal. [hide]Waits for ignorant response from those who didn't understand what I meant[/hide]

You just agreed with my "stupidness" - my main point was about the gender/sexual relations part. Financial advancements are related but for me they only come in as issues when related to sex/gender roles.

I'm down for women getting equal pay for equal work and women's hiring.

 

[keysersoze]

The biggest problem is that women don't want to be seen as "sex objects". Men, in general because of our genetic make up want sex and want it a lot, but women try to make us feel bad for it. What they should want is to be seen as a sex object by the right guy, their husband or boyfriend. He should respect your mind and tear yo ass up at night. He should want to fuck you senseless. Women try to make men feel bad for that, though. Then, they go out and fuck dudes that they know see them only as sex objects, while at the same time making decent guys feel bad about wanting ass.

brilliant!!

rest here
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=336614

 

[watchin]

however, women and men are not equal. They aren't made equal and nor should they be equal (in some ways). Sure, there are things that should be equal (pay for the same job, hiring rates for qualified applicants, things of that nature), but women shouldn't want to be equal to men.

Agreed to a point. Biology does inform much of what we do. I think the ideal truly is allowing a woman to choose which way suits her and her nature best.

Same with blacks and whites, right?

I don't think that is a fair comparison.

Now for the real topic at hand, I'm not sure why gender roles would want to be thrown out of balance...BALANCE. I think it's fine for a woman to make as much as a man, share responsibility around the house and in financial responsibilities, and care of children if there are any.

AMEN to Balance! I'm not sure how well things would work out in a household where both parties shared things precisely 100% equally. It works best when there is a fluidity to it, where each person takes on the areas best suited to their strengths. For me personally this looks a lot like traditional roles.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Same with blacks and whites, right?

I was waiting for the first fool.

You just agreed with my "stupidness" - my main point was about the gender/sexual relations part. Financial advancements are related but for me they only come in as issues when related to sex/gender roles.

I'm down for women getting equal pay for equal work and women's hiring.

Presentation and succinctness always trumps.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Agreed to a point. Biology does inform much of what we do. I think the ideal truly is allowing a woman to choose which way suits her and her nature best.



I don't think that is a fair comparison.



AMEN to Balance! I'm not sure how well things would work out in a household where both parties shared things precisely 100% equally. It works best when there is a fluidity to it, where each person takes on the areas best suited to their strengths. For me personally this looks a lot like traditional roles.

Yes, one should be able to choose...within reason. The rest, despite your nature, I cosign.

 

[jucurious]

Granted that you may argue that equality has not been reached but you must concede that things are "improving," right?

Thus, ask yourself - with all the improvements, what have women really gained? There is still more and more sexual objectification of women then there was 20 years ago. I don't see American attitudes about gender roles changing anytime soon.

yes things are improving for some women. of course there is going to be more sexual objectification b/c it is used to undercut the advancements IMO. (that's a long discussion i don't have time for right now) its not like male advancement paused to allow women to catch up, its still going so yeah unless she is advancing at leaps and bounds or there is an "advancement cap" she will continue to be behind no matter how much things improve. i can see a slight comparison to this and racism like blunt alluded to.

and i agree, attitudes towards gender roles wont change anytime soon...and BOTH women and men will continue to get the short end of the stick in some way shape or form from that.

While not all 20 something year olds are out there getting what they can, many (emphasis on many) are. I posted an article that showed the statistical increase in young 20 something year olds in random hooking up and the decline of dating.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=334929

Therefore I'm basing this theory upon large scale occurrences within society.

you used studies based on high school students and college students to make commentary about something...a good portion of college graduates are 21 or 22 so there is still a good 8-9 years not being represented in this study. Also, college culture has been a place of hooking up for years, its not a sudden trend.

 

[Cleopatra_J]

While not all 20 something year olds are out there getting what they can, many (emphasis on many) are. I posted an article that showed the statistical increase in young 20 something year olds in random hooking up and the decline of dating.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=334929

Therefore I'm basing this theory upon large scale occurrences within society. [/B]

[/B]

Yes.. I saw that article, and if I'm not mistaken I commented on how that study isn't really valid because it represents a SMALL margin of people, not in America... like i said there, high school seniors and college students aren't out there DATING.. thats not something they have been socialized to do.. so to use THAT study to base your generalizations on is futile...

It is counterproductive to society to expect someone not to have a past... Not everyone's past is squeaky clean, so unless a girl explicitly states that she is a virgin (and even then she could have sucked however many dicks) she is SOMEBODIES leftovers... so that shit is sooooooo stupid...

Next... to say men want a relationship then to fuck is wrong wrong wrong.. I know NO man who is going to "wife" up a chick they haven't fucked.. Yes.. the longer she waits before giving it up might make her more "wifable (prob not really a word)" but they are not getting into a relationship with a girl they haven't had sex with...

 

[keysersoze]

yes things are improving for some women. of course there is going to be more sexual objectification b/c it is used to undercut the advancements IMO. (that's a long discussion i don't have time for right now) its not like male advancement paused to allow women to catch up, its still going so yeah unless she is advancing at leaps and bounds or there is an "advancement cap" she will continue to be behind no matter how much things improve. i can see a slight comparison to this and racism like blunt alluded to.

and i agree, attitudes towards gender roles wont change anytime soon...and BOTH women and men will continue to get the short end of the stick in some way shape or form from that.

So if relative gains keep occuring - what do you really gain?
I guess you take what you then right.

Especially when attitudes are not gonna change.

 

[keysersoze]

Next... to say men want a relationship then to fuck is wrong wrong wrong.. I know NO man who is going to "wife" up a chick they haven't fucked.. Yes.. the longer she waits before giving it up might make her more "wifable (prob not really a word)" but they are not getting into a relationship with a girl they haven't had sex with...

This below post is the best response to your points...

Here I come, Homey Homez!

You/we have weak game for worthless bitches, than tight game for women you assume are above board or have some class. If your weak shit works on the above board broad, that bitch is declassified promptly! LOL!!! Think of any weak line you would never use, if it works, don't care what the bitch says, she loses! Game over!

Secondly, I for one don't date bitches i meet at clubs or anywhere i go to get pussy or a buzz. If the bitch was worth something, she wouldn't be posted up where i go for pussy and snacks. Can't claim to be a high dollar bitch when you got low budget plans like me. In short, clubs are where you go to meet hoes not wives. At that point, she's already failed the wifey test.

Lastly, if i can fuck without a dance, buying her a drink (which i never do) or before i know your last name, address or where you even work, yo ass will never get a date.
Weekend pussy at best! Fuck her, than spray her with a can of Bitch-
be-Gone!

Point being that if your letting cats hit it without much effort - don't expect shit in return.

 

[Cleopatra_J]

This below post is the best response to your points...



Point being that if your letting cats hit it without much effort - don't expect shit in return.

Not being in a relationship doesn't equate to not much effort... but if that's how you correlate them...

There is a difference to a girl meeting a guy in the club/bar or wherever and fucking him without getting to know him vs. a girl meeting a guy, going out a few times, hanging out, getting to know him and THEN having sex.. they aren't in a relationship yet, but it doesn't mean they won't work towards getting into one..

 

[sean69]

I like this kinda equality.

 

[shanebp1978]

The cats your age that your interested in sharing that stability are out fucking those 20 year olds who are "exploring their sexuality." Thus the older women get, the more they lose. It's not hard for a dude who is making a steady income and got his own place to land a nice 20 something year old shorty.

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I see the pain in your font, old RKelly aaron hall I miss you looking ass ninja!

I predict a promising future as a . . .

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You need all that to land a, " Nice 20 year old shorty ".



Well you still call women shorty so . . . YAH NIGGA YAH! So, as you get older, what more will you need to keep landing that, " Nice 20 year old shorty ".

BGOL never ceases to amaze me. Dude wrote all this shit, and dressed it up with bullshit about feminism just to justify his economic pedophilia.

You fuck 20 yr olds because 20 yr olds do not know any better or may not be seeking some type of, " Stability ", because they are 20 years old. So what does that make you?

Allow who you fuck to be a measure reflecting character and suddenly . . . .

































When you hit those bitter 40s don't holla at my daughter nigga.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Shane you read...but didn't understand what the dude said. It had very little, if anything, to do with a desire to fuck younger women.

Unless you were trying to be funny. Then...

 

[keysersoze]

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I see the pain in your font, old RKelly aaron hall I miss you looking ass ninja!

I predict a promising future as a . . .

http://www.easleys.com/ProductImages/adult_costumes/food/SugarDaddy4012.jpg

You need all that to land a, " Nice 20 year old shorty ".



Well you still call women shorty so . . . YAH NIGGA YAH! So, as you get older, what more will you need to keep landing that, " Nice 20 year old shorty ".

BGOL never ceases to amaze me. Dude wrote all this shit, and dressed it up with bullshit about feminism just to justify his economic pedophilia.

You fuck 20 yr olds because 20 yr olds do not know any better or may not be seeking some type of, " Stability ", because they are 20 years old. So what does that make you?

Allow who you fuck to be a measure reflecting character and suddenly . . . .

This shit ain't about me so calm down and take the cape off - you ain't winning any points amongst the ladies here.

When you hit those bitter 40s don't holla at my daughter nigga.

yea, like you'll be stalking your own daughters ever moves right.

@ 20, its time to let things go.

 

[Blunt]

I don't think that is a fair comparison.

Why not??

Everything that's been said about women (and the pluses and minuses of attaining "equal" status) in this thread has been said about blacks by (usually racist) whites for years.

It's truly mind-boggling that in the 21st century (!!) black man (in particular) can still be as sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted as they are. Of all people!!! I guess every put-upon group needs someone to feel superior to (even if it's only an illusion).

 

[followup]

@ OP: You seem to have a problem with the fact that women do not have to bend and twist to your whims. We do the choosing nowadays and just because you claim that there have been no gains, you have to deal with that fact. The mere fact that you are taking issue with "feminism" and women staying single into their 30s and 40s means that you, yourself, are not satisfied with your own love life. Men who are where they want to be do not need to worry about it. We have made lots of progress in this country, but there is a long way to go. Obviously if women AND men could meet the person of their dreams at 18 and get married, they would do it. But marriage is not for everyone, and everyone is not ready to get married in their 20s. What does that have to do with "feminism" and the gains women have or have not made?

Anyway, we can only move up as more men become enlightened. Good luck to you, though, because you need it with the mentality you have.

 

[keysersoze]

Obviously if women AND men could meet the person of their dreams at 18 and get married, they would do it. But marriage is not for everyone, and everyone is not ready to get married in their 20s. What does that have to do with "feminism" and the gains women have or have not made?

Anyway, we can only move up as more men become enlightened. Good luck to you, though, because you need it with the mentality you have.

I never said marriage is the solution... I just said that marriage is something that many women later on see as a solution.

@ OP: You seem to have a problem with the fact that women do not have to bend and twist to your whims. We do the choosing nowadays and just because you claim that there have been no gains, you have to deal with that fact. The mere fact that you are taking issue with "feminism" and women staying single into their 30s and 40s means that you, yourself, are not satisfied with your own love life. Men who are where they want to be do not need to worry about it. We have made lots of progress in this country, but there is a long way to go.

My aim was not at feminism or financial advancements per se - I just pointed out that IMO women were not being served by those supposed advancements in their love life.

btw, I don't think anyone is truly happy with their love life - are you %100 happy?

 

[watchin]

Why not??

Everything that's been said about women (and the pluses and minuses of attaining "equal" status) in this thread has been said about blacks by (usually racist) whites for years.

It's truly mind-boggling that in the 21st century (!!) black man (in particular) can still be as sexist, homophobic and generally bigoted as they are. Of all people!!! I guess every put-upon group needs someone to feel superior to (even if it's only an illusion).

It's not fair because despite whats "been said about women" being the same said by racists whites..etc, etc, etc.

LD made no such statement. He made it quite clear he supported equality. He wasn't suggesting or advocating unequal pay, denying opportunity, civil or human rights etc. While racists and this nation did in fact wholeheartedly seek that.

He was referring to other ways that men and women are not equal. And from a biological standpoint he is correct. Frankly the way that we are socialized from infancy, from a societal standpoint he is correct as well. (To a point )

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Don't waste your time with Blunt for the most part.

 

[watchin]

Don't waste your time with Blunt for the most part.

Ahhh! An agent provocateur? nuff said.