R.I.P. Bailout Bill

United Auto Workers chief happy White House, Treasury may step in
December, 12, 2008 - 04:41 pm Johnson, Tom Krisher And Kimberly S. - (THE ASSOCIATED PRESS)
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DETROIT - A slightly relieved United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger said he's happy that the White House appears poised to step in and rescue the beleaguered auto industry, although he accused GOP senators who blocked emergency loans of trying to "pierce the heart" of organized labour.

"It was simply subterfuge," he said at a news conference Friday in Detroit. "There were Republicans that wanted to tear down any agreement we came up with."

General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC are seeking US$14 billion in federal loans to make it through March. Both companies say they are running critically low on cash. Bankruptcy is possible without federal help.

A deal to provide the loans collapsed in the Senate Thursday night after negotiations between lawmakers and the UAW over wage cuts fell apart.

The White House said Friday it will consider using the $700-billion Wall Street bailout fund to prevent the U.S. auto industry from collapsing, and the Treasury Department said it "will stand ready to prevent an imminent failure until Congress reconvenes."

"I'm not even sure what this means, how much they're talking about, any terms or conditions that are associated with it," Gettelfinger said.

He said he doesn't think the union will be forced to negotiate wage cuts or other terms with the White House for the industry to get federal aid.

Gettelfinger said it's important for the White House to release money as quickly as possible to avoid a "run on the banks" at the automakers as parts suppliers and creditors start demanding cash on delivery. The Bush administration agreed to a loan bill that was passed by the House, which includes the appointment of a "car czar" who would have the power to push for concessions from the union, creditors, dealers and other parties.

"It's just easy to take the union and blame us for everything," he said. "Other stakeholders were not being held to the same standards. We were on third base and the other stakeholders were not in the ballpark."

Gettelfinger accused Republican senators from the South who blocked passage of the auto loan bill of doing the bidding of foreign automakers who have located factories in their states.


"They thought perhaps they could have a twofer here maybe: Pierce the heart of organized labour while representing the foreign brands," Gettelfinger said.

The Senate negotiations that fell apart late Thursday centerd on possible wage and benefit concessions from the UAW as well as large-scale debt restructuring by GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. The talks collapsed when the UAW refused to agree to bring workers' pay into line with Japanese carmakers before the union's current contract with the automakers expires in 2011.

Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who served as the point man in the Senate talks, said the legislation he was crafting would have allowed "these companies to go ahead with strength that they have not had in my lifetime."

Gettelfinger said the UAW wondered if it was being "set up" Thursday when Corker asked to meet with union leaders to work out a plan that would pass muster with Senate Republicans.

"It was risky," he said. "Corker put down what he wanted to see happen. We knew that negotiating with an individual senator was a difficult challenge for us."

Senator Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) said on the Senate floor late Thursday that the South had a "growing automobile industry" and there was no reason for the Detroit companies to be uncompetitive.


"Bailouts generally don't work, and this is a huge proposed bailout, and I fear it's just the down payment on more to come next year," Shelby said.

"These companies are either already failed or failing and that's a shame. These aren't the General Motors, Ford and Chrysler I knew," he said.

Gettelfinger said some Senate Republicans may have "resented" the leadership the UAW showed during congressional hearings and meetings where it offered concessions such as the delay of company payments to an outside health care plan, and the shutdown of the controversial "jobs bank" program where some laid off workers get paid a majority of their salary after unemployment benefits run dry.

Gettelfinger joined a chorus of union officials in expressing anger and frustration against senators who thwarted the bill, with several joining him in allegations of collusion with Japanese automakers to break the UAW.

"What this is the southern conservative senators trying to destroy the United Auto Workers, trying to destroy unions," said Mike O'Rourke, president of a UAW local at a GM factory in Spring Hill, Tenn., the home state of Corker, one of the most vocal opponents. "It's a sad day in America when the senators turn their back on Main Street."

Jim Graham, leader of a UAW local at another GM plant in Lordstown, Ohio, near Cleveland, accused the senators of acting on behalf of the Japanese auto industry in an effort to break the UAW so it can drive down wages. Foreign-owned automakers have located numerous factories in southern states, where unions have less clout.

Most southern U.S. auto plants run by Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co., BMW AG, Daimler AG and other manufacturers are non-union.

Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW labourer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour. But the unionized factories have far higher benefit costs.

Detroit's carmakers employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 others produce materials and parts for cars. If one of the automakers declared bankruptcy, some estimate as many as three million U.S. jobs could be lost next year.

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Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas in Washington contributed to this report.

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Im starting to think this is a pension grab attempt.
 
YOU GTFOH!

What are the UAW's members gonna live off of if those shitty-ass cars that Detroit puts out don't SELL AT ALL?

What are the UAW's Members gonna live off of IF THE PLANTS HAVE TO CLOSE?


The UAW fighting for "LIVABLE WAGES" won't work worth a damn if the COMPANY GOES THE FUCK OUTTA BUSINESS, this is the wrong fuckin' time to pull that Union Card bullshit about keeping WAGES HIGH!


Any other INDUSTRY would have been already closed by now, down here in Ga. a lot of TEXTILE JOBS have gone overseas damn near 10 years ago, ya'll bitches in Detroit need to realize ya'll ain't SPECIAL and learn how to SURVIVE in this fucked up economy and then when shit rebounds, THEN YOU CAN WORRY ABOUT WAGES!

You can't worry about dirty bathrooms when the fucking ship is SINKING, you gotta keep that muthafucka AFLOAT FIRST and then worry about OTHER SHIT, the UAW needs to understand this.

Dont know a whole lot about unions and what theyre really fighting for, but this aint nothin but the truth. How you gonna play hardball, when you have no legs to stand on??? You either take a paycut, or you get no money to help you keep your job. whats to think about??? Why you wanna act like this is a fuckin negotiation??? Id rather have some money, than no money. Fuck being proud, times are gettin tough.
 
Dont know a whole lot about unions and what theyre really fighting for, but this aint nothin but the truth. How you gonna play hardball, when you have no legs to stand on??? You either take a paycut, or you get no money to help you keep your job. whats to think about??? Why you wanna act like this is a fuckin negotiation??? Id rather have some money, than no money. Fuck being proud, times are gettin tough.
read what really happened - no matter what happened the repubs were going to shut it down
 
Merry Christmas

GM to temporarily close 20 plants to slash output

GM to temporarily close 20 factories to cut 250,000 vehicles from 1st-quarter production

DAN STRUMPF
AP News

Dec 12, 2008 14:06 EST

General Motors Corp. said Friday it will temporarily close 20 factories across North America and make sweeping cuts to its vehicle production as it tries to adjust to dramatically weaker automobile demand.

GM said it will cut 250,000 vehicles from its production schedule for the first quarter of 2009, which includes a cut of 60,000 vehicles announced last week. Normal production would be around 750,000 cars and trucks for the quarter, spokesman Tony Sapienza said.

Many plants will be shut down for the whole month of January, he said, and all told, the factories will be closed for 30 percent of the quarter.

"We're adjusting pretty dramatically," spokesman Chris Lee said.

The move affects most of GM's plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. During the shutdowns, employees will be temporarily laid off and can apply to receive a portion of their normal pay from the company. They can also apply for state unemployment benefits, Lee said.

GM and nearly all automakers who sell in the U.S. are mired in the worst sales slump in 26 years. GM reported its sales in the U.S. plunged 41 percent in November and are down 22 percent for the first 11 months of the year compared with the same period last year.

Cash-strapped GM is seeking government loans to stay in operation beyond the end of the year. The White House said Friday it may tap into its $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund to help GM and Chrysler stay in business after the Senate blocked a measure to provide $14 billion in immediate loans.

The measure failed in dramatic fashion late Thursday after Senate Republicans balked at passing the bill without more wage and benefit concessions from autoworkers.

Lee said Friday's production cuts are unrelated to the rescue's failure and had already been planned.

The entire auto industry has been making massive production cuts recently as it adjusts to the reality of lower automobile demand. Earlier Friday, Honda Motor Co. said it was cutting production in North America by 119,000 vehicles for its fiscal year ending March 31.

That brings Honda's expected production for its fiscal year to 1.3 million units, a spokesman said.

Auto demand in the U.S., and increasingly around the world, has been hobbled due to the declining economy and the credit squeeze, which has made it more difficult and more costly for some buyers to obtain financing. Industrywide vehicle sales crumbled 37 percent in November, with every major automaker posting giant sales declines.

Lee said GM's production cuts will be achieved by adding "down weeks" to the schedules at the affected plants. During down weeks, which can be staggered during a given period of time or can come several at once, the plant will not produce anything and employees will be temporary laid off.

"We look at it on a plant-by-plant basis and make decisions regarding their production schedule in terms of market demand, so it's not a blanket ... we look at it plant by plant and make those decisions," Lee said.

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AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.
 
They're saying that Bush might do an end run and pull the money out of the $700 billion bailout money.
 
January 20th will see alot of changes to DC status quo. The Rethugs are going to have to face up to their failures next year.

Are you Crazy?


Obama is a mere front man for the Feds. The Treasury secretary has all the power without being voted for.
 
Are you Crazy?


Obama is a mere front man for the Feds. The Treasury secretary has all the power without being voted for.

The Big 3 doesn't have shit to do with the Fed or the banks, they literally HATE the idea of the U.S. having any sort of viable industry that actually produces shit. They want that service economy bad as hell in this country, the Big 3 are outsiders in this game and they know that shit, that is why they got humble MAD fast. The bankers flew in on private jets smoking Cuban stogies, collected their checks and bounced (nobody even asked them how they intended to spend the money), the Big 3 strolled in thinking they were part of the same old boy's club and got bitch smacked back down to Earth with the quickness.

This shit is about keeping WORKERS in check, the "powers that be" feel that the Big 3 have done a piss poor job of accomplishing that task. How the fuck is the blue collar middle class supposed to ever get comfortable with flipping burgers and punching a clock at WalMart if the Big 3 keep paying them enough to eat?
 
The Big 3 doesn't have shit to do with the Fed or the banks, they(the fed & banks) literally HATE the idea of the U.S. having any sort of viable industry that actually produces shit. They want that service economy bad as hell in this country, the Big 3 are outsiders in this game and they know that shit, that is why they got humble MAD fast. The bankers flew in on private jets smoking Cuban stogies, collected their checks and bounced (nobody even asked them how they intended to spend the money), the Big 3 strolled in thinking they were part of the same old boy's club and got bitch smacked back down to Earth with the quickness.
^^^^^^^^^ truth
 
They're saying that Bush might do an end run and pull the money out of the $700 billion bailout money.

And it is likely to happen because dude seems to actually give a fuck about his legacy all of a sudden. This is his last chance to not go down in history as the worst POTUS ever.
 
Originally posted by Zero
And it is likely to happen because dude seems to actually give a fuck about his legacy all of a sudden. This is his last chance to not go down in history as the worst POTUS ever.
This would be the ONLY redeeming thing he has done, especially in his second term!
 
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i hope u are right...
 
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FUCK U. DUMB ASS DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE OF COLOR WORK FOR THE BIG THREE??


WE CAN TELL YOUR TEST TUBE ASS BITCH MADE ASS DON'T CARE TEST.

You know there is no reason to even reply to halo's post every thread it(halo) has some bullshit to say about American automobiles but will never answer the important questions. What are you going to do? He's a troll.

Wow..how ironic..you're telling this trolling, lying-ass nigga Detroit's Finest about TROLLING? I'm starting to suspect he's an undercover racist..no black person I know uses nigga and monkey to describe black people as much as he does. I swear he's just a blight on humanity as a whole.

Check the thread: http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=283839
 
Funny folks are blaming the unions for their wages when no one questions the CEO's wages plus stock options.
 
http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/12/12/1713569.aspx

GOP: 'Action Alert - Auto Bailout'
Posted: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:00 PM by Countdown

Countdown has obtained a memo entitled "Action Alert - Auto Bailout," and sent Wednesday at 9:12am, to Senate Republicans. The names of the sender(s) and recipient(s) have been redacted in the copy Countdown obtained. The Los Angeles Times reported that it was circulated among Senate Republicans. The brief memo outlines internal political strategy on the bailout, including the view that defeating the bailout represents a "first shot against organized labor." Senate Republicans blocked passage of the bailout late Thursday night, over its insistence on an immediate union pay cut. See the entire memo after the jump.

From:

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:12 AM

To:

Subject: Action Alert -- Auto Bailout



Today at noon, Senators Ensign, Shelby, Coburn and DeMint will hold a press conference in the Senate Radio/TV Gallery. They would appreciate our support through messaging and attending the press conference, if possible. The message they want us to deliver is:



1. This is the democrats first opportunity to payoff organized labor after the election. This is a precursor to card check and other items. Republicans should stand firm and take their first shot against organized labor, instead of taking their first blow from it.



2. This rush to judgment is the same thing that happened with the TARP. Members did not have an opportunity to read or digest the legislation and therefore could not understand the consequences of it. We should not rush to pass this because Detroit says the sky is falling.





The sooner you can have press releases and documents like this in the hands of members and the press, the better. Please contact me if you need additional information. Again, the hardest thing for the democrats to do is get 60 votes. If we can hold the Republicans, we can beat this.
 
lol I need a Benz.

But damn no American muscle no more.

*moves to Europe*
dont we all




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Morgan Johnson, UAW President in Shreveport on junior Senator David Vitter (R-LA), who's become a point man on killing the automaker bailout (from the Times-Picayune) ...

"I don't know what Sen. Vitter has against GM or the United Auto Workers or the entire domestic auto industry; whatever it is, whatever he thinks we've done, it's time for him to forgive us, just like Sen. Vitter has asked the citizens of Louisiana to forgive him, " said Johnson, president of Local 2166. Otherwise, Johnson said of Vitter, it would appear, "He'd rather pay a prostitute than pay auto workers."

--Josh Marshall
 
The Big 3 doesn't have shit to do with the Fed or the banks, they literally HATE the idea of the U.S. having any sort of viable industry that actually produces shit.O.K. Absolute, lets ee if I can pull you out of 3rd. Congress only gave 350 Billion to Paulsin. When Paulsin first received the first $350 Bil check, he does and double reverse fake and never bailed the failded mortgages like the money was intended, He had the power to do what he wanted and chose to give some to AIG, but its still unclear what he actually did with the funds. Right about the same time GM stocks dropped from $15 dollars a share to $8 and slid down to $3. Now you have to understand Bernanke is the Fed Chairman and has been pulling the strings for the IMF all along. GM's pain came when the money was sat on the table and they want a peice of pie. The republican's know this as well as the Democrats. Bernanke is debasing the money and the need for the other $350 billion before Obama takes office has to be approved. They NOW have the need in place and further debasement of US dollars is now in place. Gettlefinger threaten a run on the banks this morning and is basically part of the whole scheme, using the Average workin man as a pawn. Bernanke wins because this will make our currancy worth less. Paulsin wins because he gets to control $350 Billion more TARP funds . GM wins because they now have extorted $15-_$40 Billion from the Treasury. Obama looses Becasue he will have no money to pass budgets. American Citizens loose because this will crash the dollar. They want that service economy bad as hell in this country, the Big 3 are outsiders in this game and they know that shit, that is why they got humble MAD fast. The bankers flew in on private jets smoking Cuban stogies, collected their checks and bounced (nobody even asked them how they intended to spend the money)Since its fractional Lending, that money thats given to the banks were the papaer source in case companies and citizens made a run on them and they had proper funding. This money can be put back into the Trasury. But If you start giving that money to companies, it becomes real assets that leave the treasury. A lot of that money is goining into the stock market daily to build investors confidence and when they have confidence they snatch it right back out. Not only has wall street took 401k money most stocks are down atleast 59% where they were 8 months ago., the Big 3 strolled in thinking they were part of the same old boy's club and got bitch smacked back down to Earth with the quickness.

These matters are worked out threw lobbist and at country club meetings. They just playing the role to get the other half of TARP released.

This shit is about keeping WORKERS in check, the "powers that be" feel that the Big 3 have done a piss poor job of accomplishing that task. How the fuck is the blue collar middle class supposed to ever get comfortable with flipping burgers and punching a clock at WalMart if the Big 3 keep paying them enough to eat?


The Unions will be attacked. Those wages are coming down no matter what.

GMAC which is a leg of GM lost billions to that fella who scammed millions.
 
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Fuck you Ninja!

This ain't got shit to do with HATING!

Detroit AIN'T SELLING NO FUCKING CARS!


No matter how much money they get from the Govt. IF YOU DON'T SELL SHIT YOU WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS VERY SOON!

Detroit/Big-3 needs to create a BETTER BUSINESS MODEL, and a PART of that Model does include cutting wages whether you like it or not or whether the UAW likes it or not!

In the BUSINESS WORLD if you don't sell shit you STARVE!

When are you sorry-ass, BEGGING-ASS MOTOWN MOFOS gonna learn this simple Rule of Business?

 
Funny folks are blaming the unions for their wages when no one questions the CEO's wages plus stock options.

If you actually analyzed a Company's Operating Report Hundreds of Thousands of UAW Workers do more to drive COSTS than do the Top 25 to 50 Execs at any Company and especially at the Big-3 where UNION WAGES are out of line in COMPARISON to the SHITTY CARS THEY MAKE THAT CANNOT COMPETE/SELL IN THE MARKETPLACE.

The Execs do need to get hit with SEVERE PAY CUTS, but the Top 25-50 Execs compensation packages don't compare to the COSTS GENERATED by 000's of UAW WORKERS AT UNION WAGES.
 
No offense to anyone who works in manufacturing (big 3 et al.), but why should a company be forced to pay you more to do something that someone else in another country could do equally as well for less money? Doesn't basic economics state that countries should specialize in what they can do in the most efficient manner and engage in trade to obtain the other goods that they need (comparative advantage)?
 
No offense to anyone who works in manufacturing (big 3 et al.), but why should a company be forced to pay you more to do something that someone else in another country could do equally as well for less money? Doesn't basic economics state that countries should specialize in what they can do in the most efficient manner and engage in trade to obtain the other goods that they need (comparative advantage)?

Niggas are not hearing you...they using emotions instead of business sense.
Nobody on the board wants to piss on the workers.... who are just trying to earn a living.

I'm not in tears that the DETROIT 3 did not get this $14Billion this go around. Hell even giving them the $34 Billion would only delay the inevitible....
So it is throwing good money after bad...
With the shitty business plan that the CEOS came in with during the 2nd meeting... they forecasted sells of 14 - 16 million units in the next few years up from a little over 10 million this year. Everybody in the room damn near choked.

The Detroit Automakers can not return to dominance operating that they do now. PERIOD. Like someone else said...if you can't sell cars... then you can't survive nobody how much FED money you get.

Chapter 11 is the answer. Let these fools restructure and re-org and come out the other side better equipped to compete in this global marketplace. Jobs will be lost either way... but lets think long term and not short term.

For all you emotional cats that just want to keep pouring in money... Why don't you just go out to the GM dealer this weekend and trade in your current whip and BUY A NEW GM?
 
- hey man what's your fucking problem!?!? this is the SECOND time you've posted this picture saying it's me...

my name is SIRWOODZ...do you see that big ass Z at the end of my name?!?!

and why are you googling up muthafuckas names on here!?!? man I can HONESTLY say that i've NEVER googled up a mofoe on heres screen name in hopes of finding their picture. and wtf is wrong w/this picture!? a DUDE with headphones on!! WOW!! so shocking!! so GAY!! is that what you want people to say!? "OH HOW GAY!!"

some of yall cats need some psychotherapy QUICK!!!

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And this is why Im taking a greater interest in economics. Its obvious to see who really understands how economics works on a domestic and global scale and who doesnt. Honestly, I still would be shocked if Congress or the federal govt didnt bail out in the auto companies in some shape form or fashion. But I agree that Im not for bailouts because of the bigger picture going on here. Ive told numerous people that there are only two possible scenarios that will happen with this economic upheaval. Either the market is going to crash or in an attempt to save the market, the Fed will hyperinflate the dollar to the absolute point of worthlessness. And I will say it all day everydamn day, Im not being coldhearted towards those already losing their jobs or about to, but I would much rather have the market crash and be able to rebound in the future than the dollar becoming valueless. Your looking at a potential of maybe 2-4 million jobs being lost vs. your whole country put into poverty. Look at every example in modern history of a nations economy crashing due to hyperinflation of the currency. Never ever was a pretty sight.

If your going to throw in regulations to the market, you have to get the bad shit out of its system first and then institute new policies. Those fuckers legislating this unchecked bailout bullshit are only setting themselves up for future economic downturns but more frequent and virile. Like the man said, use some business sense. Its not fair whats happening to those factory workers and the big 3 but what can you really do?:confused:
 
No offense to anyone who works in manufacturing (big 3 et al.), but why should a company be forced to pay you more to do something that someone else in another country could do equally as well for less money? Doesn't basic economics state that countries should specialize in what they can do in the most efficient manner and engage in trade to obtain the other goods that they need (comparative advantage)?

No one is forced to pay anything. The big 3 signed contracts with unions to pay workers certain wages and benefits. Since they also decided to say fuck the environment, fuel economy, production quality, and many other modern business practices that could have made them more successful as companies, they are now in danger of failing. At every point when the auto manufacturers have been struggling unions have renegotiated their contracts to lower their wages and benefits.

LABOR COSTS ARE NOT THE REASON THE US AUTO INDUSTRY IS IN TURMOIL.
 
And this is why Im taking a greater interest in economics. Its obvious to see who really understands how economics works on a domestic and global scale and who doesnt. Honestly, I still would be shocked if Congress or the federal govt didnt bail out in the auto companies in some shape form or fashion. But I agree that Im not for bailouts because of the bigger picture going on here. Ive told numerous people that there are only two possible scenarios that will happen with this economic upheaval. Either the market is going to crash or in an attempt to save the market, the Fed will hyperinflate the dollar to the absolute point of worthlessness. And I will say it all day everydamn day, Im not being coldhearted towards those already losing their jobs or about to, but I would much rather have the market crash and be able to rebound in the future than the dollar becoming valueless. Your looking at a potential of maybe 2-4 million jobs being lost vs. your whole country put into poverty. Look at every example in modern history of a nations economy crashing due to hyperinflation of the currency. Never ever was a pretty sight.

If your going to throw in regulations to the market, you have to get the bad shit out of its system first and then institute new policies. Those fuckers legislating this unchecked bailout bullshit are only setting themselves up for future economic downturns but more frequent and virile. Like the man said, use some business sense. Its not fair whats happening to those factory workers and the big 3 but what can you really do?:confused:

Theyre not doing shit to stop inflation and its around the corner. China and japan arent gonna be able to buy all those treasury bills anymore. they keep cutting interest rates too. We're fucked period. I think people are just trying to slow the assfucking process down. We're gonna see souplines its just a question of whetherr we see them tomorrow or next month.
 
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