The Story In Genesis Does Not Match The Story In Our Genetics

[Nok17]

ITT people get trolled by detroit's finest

 

[Bull]

No they didn't
They say that man and monkeys have common genetic ancestor based in part on the fact that we apparently share about 95% of our dna.
While this in it's self is not irrefutable proof, it does appear to
carry more weight in an argument than, some dude getting 2 of every species and putting them in a boat for 40 days and nights while the world was flooded.

Look at you being all rational and shit.

 

[OnSlaught]

DON'T GET YOUR BRA IN A BUNCH STAND DOWN MY SON.

Yup, just want I expected...lame, faggot ass response from a lame, faggot ass bitch made uncle tom's cabin mind-state havin' house nigga

 

[Adam Knows]

Shit made no sense and is pure speculation.

yeah, a burning bush in the middle of nowhere spittin lyrics makes all more sense right???

 

[MindHunter II]

yeah, a burning bush in the middle of nowhere spittin lyrics makes all more sense right???

 

[Fiya Ant]

us black folks dont like to read, especially on a porn board when we are holdin our dick tryna get a nut ...

speak for yourself bitch.

 

[Adam Knows]

i bet u money the bush was on some ole das efx type shit.

 

[PEOPLES]

us black folks dont like to read, especially on a porn board when we are holdin our dick tryna get a nut ...

 

[Clever]

Good information, thanks.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

 

[Negmarron]

by Edward T. Babinski
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/genesis_genes.html

EDIT: SINCE A FEW PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT THE WORDS ARE TOO BIG...THE ARTICLE BASICALLY STATES THROUGH GENETICS THAT THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS WRONG. THE BIBLE STATES THAT NOAH'S ARK LANDED IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THATS WHERE THE CRADLE OF HUMANITY IS. IN THE AREA OF SHINAR TO BE PRECISE. BUT NOT ONLY DOES SCIENCE MOVE MANS ORIGIN TOWARD AFRICA, THAT THE FIRST MALE AND FEMALE WERE BOTH BLACK. BUT THE FIRST GENETIC VARIATION DIDNT OCCUR UNTIL 59,000 YEARS AFTER THE 1ST CIVILATION. TOTALLY DESTROYING THE MYTH THAT THERE WERE OTHER RACES AT THE SAME TIME AS BLACK PEOPLE. GENESIS 6:10 SAYS THAT SHEM (ARAB NATIONS) WAS OLDER THAN HAM (BLACK NATIONS)AND THAT ALL THREE SONS...SHEM, HAM AND JAPETH LIVED AT THE SAME TIME. SCIENCE PROVES THIS TO BE WRONG AS HELL.DAMN BLACK PEOPLE STAND THE FUCK UP!

"A study published by 22 authors (including myself) in the scientific journal Nature Genetics in November 2000 stated the results clearly and succinctly. A worldwide sample of men, from dozens of populations on every continent, were studied using the newly discovered treasure trove of Y-chromosome polymorphisms [only the male of the human species carries the Y-chromosome]. Applying the same methods used in the earlier mitochondrial DNA studies [women alone pass along the mitochondrial DNA], a tree diagram was constructed from the pattern of sequence variation. What this diagram showed was that the oldest splits in the ancestry of the Y chromosome occurred in Africa. In other words, the root of the male family tree was placed in Africa -- exactly the same answer that mitochrondrial DNA had given us for women. The shocker came when a date was estimated for the age of the oldest common ancestor. This man, from whom all men alive today ultimately derive their Y-chromosomes lived 59,000 years ago. More than 80,000 years after that estimated for 'Eve!' Did 'Adam' and 'Eve' never meet? No they didn't, but the reason is fairly complicated, and it reveals one of the most important things to remember about the study of human history with genetic methods... Such dates do not represent the date of origin of our species -- otherwise 'Eve' would have been waiting a long time for 'Adam' to show up. They simply represent the time, peering back into the past, when we stop seeing genetic diversity in our mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome lineages... As we'll see... the age difference between 'Adam' and 'Eve' is larger than we would expect by chance, and is probably the result of thousands of years of sexual politics [or two reproductive bottle-necks in the human geneologcial tree separated by tens of thousands of years? -- E.T.B.]. It is not, though, indicative of any deep uncertainties about human evolution. [Though it might be indicative of uncertainties about taking Genesis literally. -- E.T.B.]" [Spencer Wells, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey (Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 2002), p. 53-55. (Well's book has also been made into a television series broadcast on PBS.)]

What is most interesting, above, is the way that the geneticists, have been able to minutely compare differences in the DNA from human beings round the world and determine the most likely ways those differences had accrued over time, just like examining a pile of similar but not identical "chain letters," noting which ones had certain sentences added, or changed round, or had certain punctuation added or removed, tracing the trail of changes made in such chain letters backward in time toward what earlier versions most probably looked like. If you have enough similar chain letters to compare, it's easy to see how this tracing-backward process can be done, and why it works. In fact there was an article about comparing chain-letters and how that relates to tracing back DNA patterns in SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, "Chain Letters and Evolutionary Histories;" June 2003; by Charles H. Bennett, Ming Li and Bin Ma:

IN OUR HANDS ARE 33 VERSIONS OF A CHAIN LETTER, collected between 1980 and 1995, when photocopiers, but not e-mail, were in widespread use by the general public. These letters have passed from host to host, mutating and evolving. Like a gene, their average length is about 2,000 characters. Like a potent virus, the letter threatens to kill you and induces you to pass it on to your "friends and associates"-some variation of this letter has probably reached millions of people. Like an inheritable trait, it promises benefits for you and the people you pass it on to. Like genomes, chain letters undergo natural selection and sometimes parts even get transferred between coexisting "species." Unlike DNA, however, these letters are easy to read. Indeed, their readability makes them especially suitable for classroom teaching of phylogeny (evolutionary history) free from the arcana of molecular biology. The letters are anintriguing social phenomenon, but we are also interested in them because they provide a test bed for the algorithms used in molecular biology to infer phylogenetic trees from the genomes of existing organisms. We believe that if these algorithms are to be trusted, they should produce good results when applied to chain letters. Using a new algorithm that is general enough to have wide applicability to such problems, we have reconstructed the evolutionary history of our 33 letters [see illustration on page 79]. The standard methods do not work as well on these letters. Originally developed for genomes, our algorithm has also been applied to languages and used to detect plagiarism in student assignments: anything involving a sequence of symbols is grist for its mill. [END OF QUOTATION FROM SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ARTICLE]

Geneticists continue making the most detailed maps of the DNA of each species, and will soon be able to trace more and more of their lineages backward in time by comparing the minute differences that have accrued in their DNA as they split off from each other. That's how they were able to determine that contemporary human beings came out of AFRICA -- as discussed in the first paragraph of this article. Meanwhile, Genesis says that Noah landed in the mountains of Ararat in modern day Armenia, NOT AFRICA, and Genesis goes on to claim that people settled in the "valley of Shinar" not very far from where Noah landed, and there they built the first major "city and tower," and then (after the "confusion of tongues"), they spread to the rest of the world. So the story in Genesis does not match the story in our genes.

Another case of such research was recently reported in NEW SCIENTIST (July 24-30, 2004, "Oz Origins for Perching Birds") that said scientists had studied the DNA of 144 species of passerines (perching birds) and discovered evidence that "suggests that the passerines began diversifying about 82 million years ago, when New Zealand split from Austalia. A major split within the lineage, between songbirds and a second group, came around 65 milion years ago. The songbirds later spread from Australia through Asia, while the others, a group containing flycatchers and ant birds, spread across South America." Again, as in the case of man, no evidence that the songbirds split from the other groups anywhere near the mountains of Armenia where Noah's ark allegedly landed. So it would seem that the story of Noah's ark remains doubtful in light of an increasing array of modern day genetic comparisons.

I'm confused. How do you post good shit like this one day and then post about boogie men and the Moon landing on other days?

 

[supreme_math]

figgy-figgy fuck you nigga

god damn do yall niggas read anything...this shit is barely 4 paragraphs and niggas slinging colins like they slingin hot cakes. thats why i typed up a 3 sentence summary...and i'll be damned yall niggas wont even read that?

but if it would have been a story about a white bitch...

youd have read it quick fast twice

 

[UltimateLurker]

Genesis = Gene Of Isis

Assume = Ass (out of) u (and) me

 

[supreme_math]

I'm confused. How do you post good shit like this one day and then post about boogie men and the Moon landing on other days?

boogie men? wtf were you reading? i aint never had a thread talkin bout fucking boogie men

 

[Upgrade Dave]

us black folks dont like to read, especially on a porn board when we are holdin our dick tryna get a nut ...

There's a lot of truth there. But not just Black folks.


On to the OP
One argument I avoid is the Bible argument. I'm a strong believer that parts of the Old Testament, especially Genesis, aren't meant to be viewed as actual historical events but allegories to be read and passed down. The story of Noah is ridiculous as a fact-based story but is very powerful when looked at as a story about a man's faith and belief.
I believe science is a gift from God and it's a sin to waste such a gift.

 

[supreme_math]

the sumerian deluge...2000 years before israel had ever been created.the bible is nothing more than a collection of other peoples religions.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba15.htm

THE story of the Deluge which was related to Gilgamesh by Pir-napishtim runs as follows:

"Hear me, O Gilgamesh, and I will make revelation regarding the hidden doings of the high gods. As thou knowest, the city of Shurippak is situated upon the bank of the Euphrates. The gods were within it: there they assembled together in council. Anu, the father, was there, and Bel the counsellor and warrior, Ninip the messenger, and Ennugi the governor. Ea, the wise lord, sat also with them. In their hearts the gods agreed together to send a great deluge.
"Thereafter Ea made known the purpose of the divine rulers in the hut of reeds, saying: 1 'O hut of
p. 191
reeds, hear; O wall, understand . . . O man of Shurippak, son of Umbara Tutu, tear down thy house and build a ship; leave all thou dost possess and save thy life, and preserve in the ship the living seed of every kind. The ship that thou wilt build must be of goodly proportions in length and height. It must be floated on the great deep.'
"I heard the command of Ea and understood, and I made answer, saying, 'O wise lord, as thou hast said so will I do, for thy counsel is most excellent. But how shall I give reason for my doings to the young men and the elders?'
"Ea opened his mouth and said unto me, his servant: 'What thou shalt say unto them is this . . It hath been revealed unto me that Bel doth hate me, therefore I cannot remain any longer in his domain, this city of Shurippak, so I must depart unto the domain of Ea and dwell with him . . . Unto you will Bel send abundance of rain, so that you may obtain birds and fishes in plenty and have a rich harvest. But Shamash hath appointed a time for Ramman to pour down destruction from the heavens.'" 1
Ea then gave instructions to Pir-napishtim how to build the ship in which he should find refuge. So far as can be gathered from the fragmentary text, it appears that this vessel was to have a deck house six stories high, with nine apartments in each story. According to another account, Ea drew a plan of the great ship upon the sand.
Pir-napishtim set to work and made a flat-bottomed vessel, which was 120 cubits wide and 120 cubits in height. He smeared it with bitumen inside and pitch outside; and on the seventh day it was ready. Then
p. 192
he carried out Ea's further instructions. Continuing his narrative to Gilgamesh, he said:
"I gathered together all that I possessed, my silver and gold and seeds of every kind, and my goods also. These I placed in the ship. Then I caused to go aboard all my family and house servants, the animals of the field and the beasts of the field and the workers--every one of them I sent up.
"The god Shamash appointed the time, saying: 'I will cause the Night Lord to send much rain and bring destruction. Then enter thou the ship and shut thy door.'
"At the appointed time the Night Lord sent at eventime much rain. I saw the beginning of the deluge and I was afraid to look up. I entered the ship and shut the door. I appointed Buzur-Kurgala, the sailor, to be captain, and put under his command the great vessel and all that it contained.
"At the dawn of day I saw rising athwart the heavens a dark cloud, and in the midst of it Ramman thundered. Nebo and Merodach went in front, speeding like emissaries over hills and plains. The cables of the ship were let loose.

 

[supreme_math]

There's a lot of truth there. But not just Black folks.


On to the OP
One argument I avoid is the Bible argument. I'm a strong believer that parts of the Old Testament, especially Genesis, aren't meant to be viewed as actual historical events but allegories to be read and passed down. The story of Noah is ridiculous as a fact-based story but is very powerful when looked at as a story about a man's faith and belief.
I believe science is a gift from God and it's a sin to waste such a gift.

 

[supreme_math]

According to the Matsya Purana and Shatapatha Brahmana (I-8, 1-6), the mantri to the king of pre-ancient Dravida, Satyavata who later becomes known as Manu was washing his hands in a river when a little fish swam into his hands and begged him to save its life. He put it in a jar, which it soon outgrew; he successively moved it to a tank, a river and then the ocean. The fish then warned him that a deluge would occur in a week that would destroy all life. Manu therefore built a boat which the fish towed to a mountaintop when the flood came, and thus he survived along with some "seeds of life" to re-establish life on earth. Hindu religious tradition holds the Bhagavata Purana to be one of the works of Vyasa written at the beginning of Kali Yuga (about c.3100 BCE) which pre-dates the Sumerian creation myth

 

[215_street_disciple]

by Edward T. Babinski
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/genesis_genes.html

EDIT: SINCE A FEW PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT THE WORDS ARE TOO BIG...THE ARTICLE BASICALLY STATES THROUGH GENETICS THAT THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS WRONG. THE BIBLE STATES THAT NOAH'S ARK LANDED IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THATS WHERE THE CRADLE OF HUMANITY IS. IN THE AREA OF SHINAR TO BE PRECISE. BUT NOT ONLY DOES SCIENCE MOVE MANS ORIGIN TOWARD AFRICA, THAT THE FIRST MALE AND FEMALE WERE BOTH BLACK. BUT THE FIRST GENETIC VARIATION DIDNT OCCUR UNTIL 59,000 YEARS AFTER THE 1ST CIVILATION. TOTALLY DESTROYING THE MYTH THAT THERE WERE OTHER RACES AT THE SAME TIME AS BLACK PEOPLE. GENESIS 6:10 SAYS THAT SHEM (ARAB NATIONS) WAS OLDER THAN HAM (BLACK NATIONS)AND THAT ALL THREE SONS...SHEM, HAM AND JAPETH LIVED AT THE SAME TIME. SCIENCE PROVES THIS TO BE WRONG AS HELL.DAMN BLACK PEOPLE STAND THE FUCK UP!

"A study published by 22 authors (including myself) in the scientific journal Nature Genetics in November 2000 stated the results clearly and succinctly. A worldwide sample of men, from dozens of populations on every continent, were studied using the newly discovered treasure trove of Y-chromosome polymorphisms [only the male of the human species carries the Y-chromosome]. Applying the same methods used in the earlier mitochondrial DNA studies [women alone pass along the mitochondrial DNA], a tree diagram was constructed from the pattern of sequence variation. What this diagram showed was that the oldest splits in the ancestry of the Y chromosome occurred in Africa. In other words, the root of the male family tree was placed in Africa -- exactly the same answer that mitochrondrial DNA had given us for women. The shocker came when a date was estimated for the age of the oldest common ancestor. This man, from whom all men alive today ultimately derive their Y-chromosomes lived 59,000 years ago. More than 80,000 years after that estimated for 'Eve!' Did 'Adam' and 'Eve' never meet? No they didn't, but the reason is fairly complicated, and it reveals one of the most important things to remember about the study of human history with genetic methods... Such dates do not represent the date of origin of our species -- otherwise 'Eve' would have been waiting a long time for 'Adam' to show up. They simply represent the time, peering back into the past, when we stop seeing genetic diversity in our mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome lineages... As we'll see... the age difference between 'Adam' and 'Eve' is larger than we would expect by chance, and is probably the result of thousands of years of sexual politics [or two reproductive bottle-necks in the human geneologcial tree separated by tens of thousands of years? -- E.T.B.]. It is not, though, indicative of any deep uncertainties about human evolution. [Though it might be indicative of uncertainties about taking Genesis literally. -- E.T.B.]" [Spencer Wells, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey (Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 2002), p. 53-55. (Well's book has also been made into a television series broadcast on PBS.)]

What is most interesting, above, is the way that the geneticists, have been able to minutely compare differences in the DNA from human beings round the world and determine the most likely ways those differences had accrued over time, just like examining a pile of similar but not identical "chain letters," noting which ones had certain sentences added, or changed round, or had certain punctuation added or removed, tracing the trail of changes made in such chain letters backward in time toward what earlier versions most probably looked like. If you have enough similar chain letters to compare, it's easy to see how this tracing-backward process can be done, and why it works. In fact there was an article about comparing chain-letters and how that relates to tracing back DNA patterns in SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, "Chain Letters and Evolutionary Histories;" June 2003; by Charles H. Bennett, Ming Li and Bin Ma:

IN OUR HANDS ARE 33 VERSIONS OF A CHAIN LETTER, collected between 1980 and 1995, when photocopiers, but not e-mail, were in widespread use by the general public. These letters have passed from host to host, mutating and evolving. Like a gene, their average length is about 2,000 characters. Like a potent virus, the letter threatens to kill you and induces you to pass it on to your "friends and associates"-some variation of this letter has probably reached millions of people. Like an inheritable trait, it promises benefits for you and the people you pass it on to. Like genomes, chain letters undergo natural selection and sometimes parts even get transferred between coexisting "species." Unlike DNA, however, these letters are easy to read. Indeed, their readability makes them especially suitable for classroom teaching of phylogeny (evolutionary history) free from the arcana of molecular biology. The letters are anintriguing social phenomenon, but we are also interested in them because they provide a test bed for the algorithms used in molecular biology to infer phylogenetic trees from the genomes of existing organisms. We believe that if these algorithms are to be trusted, they should produce good results when applied to chain letters. Using a new algorithm that is general enough to have wide applicability to such problems, we have reconstructed the evolutionary history of our 33 letters [see illustration on page 79]. The standard methods do not work as well on these letters. Originally developed for genomes, our algorithm has also been applied to languages and used to detect plagiarism in student assignments: anything involving a sequence of symbols is grist for its mill. [END OF QUOTATION FROM SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ARTICLE]

Geneticists continue making the most detailed maps of the DNA of each species, and will soon be able to trace more and more of their lineages backward in time by comparing the minute differences that have accrued in their DNA as they split off from each other. That's how they were able to determine that contemporary human beings came out of AFRICA -- as discussed in the first paragraph of this article. Meanwhile, Genesis says that Noah landed in the mountains of Ararat in modern day Armenia, NOT AFRICA, and Genesis goes on to claim that people settled in the "valley of Shinar" not very far from where Noah landed, and there they built the first major "city and tower," and then (after the "confusion of tongues"), they spread to the rest of the world. So the story in Genesis does not match the story in our genes.

Another case of such research was recently reported in NEW SCIENTIST (July 24-30, 2004, "Oz Origins for Perching Birds") that said scientists had studied the DNA of 144 species of passerines (perching birds) and discovered evidence that "suggests that the passerines began diversifying about 82 million years ago, when New Zealand split from Austalia. A major split within the lineage, between songbirds and a second group, came around 65 milion years ago. The songbirds later spread from Australia through Asia, while the others, a group containing flycatchers and ant birds, spread across South America." Again, as in the case of man, no evidence that the songbirds split from the other groups anywhere near the mountains of Armenia where Noah's ark allegedly landed. So it would seem that the story of Noah's ark remains doubtful in light of an increasing array of modern day genetic comparisons.

Supreme Math..Are u a 5 percenter??

 

[Gods_Debris]

There's a lot of truth there. But not just Black folks.


On to the OP
One argument I avoid is the Bible argument. I'm a strong believer that parts of the Old Testament, especially Genesis, aren't meant to be viewed as actual historical events but allegories to be read and passed down. The story of Noah is ridiculous as a fact-based story but is very powerful when looked at as a story about a man's faith and belief.
I believe science is a gift from God and it's a sin to waste such a gift.[

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

figgy-figgy fuck you nigga

god damn do yall niggas read anything...this shit is barely 4 paragraphs and niggas slinging colins like they slingin hot cakes. thats why i typed up a 3 sentence summary...and i'll be damned yall niggas wont even read that?

but if it would have been a story about a white bitch...

I'm just fuckin' wit' ya, man. I couldn't resist! LOL... But that Allie McBeale lookin' white bitch do got some big ass titties.

 

[African Herbsman]

Most of us already know the bible is bullshit.