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MADRID (AFP) - Former England captain David Beckham claimed on Sunday that his ex-Real Madrid team-mate Zinedine Zidane is the best player of all time.The 33-year-old Englishman told sports daily Marca that it had been a dream come true to play alongside Zidane for three years at Real."To train with Zidane for three years (2003-06) was a dream," confessed Beckham, who has been capped over 100 times by his country."For me he is the greatest player of all time."Beckham, who is now playing for Los Angeles Galaxy, also believed that the best Spanish player at the moment is Barcelona's playmaker Xavi, who inspired Spain to the Euro 2008 title last month and was judged player of the tournament.However, Beckham also thinks that goalkeeper Iker Casillas, who he knows from his time at Real, should be awarded world player of the year after several outstanding performances at the Euro.Beckham also denied he wished to become an actor even though he is living in Hollywood but that he would like to return to Madrid - where he still has a house - one day and work with the youth side at Real.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080713/sp_soccer_afp/fblengfraespbeckhamzidane_080713121434

Is Zidane even in the top 5?
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Beckham is having a laugh isn't he.

Zidane was a great footballer but to say the greatest of all time? Oh please. Here's a little reminder for those who may agree with Mr Beckham.


Pele

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Maradona

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Franz Beckbenbauer

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Johan Cryuff

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Michel Platini

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Need I say anymore on this
 
I don't think Zidane will be the best Frenchman for long, Henry will catch up. Buffon is the best goalkeeper hands down. Gotta give props to Xavi for his Euro performance. Viva la Barca!!!!
 
I never saw Pele play and I don't think many of us did, I've just seen clips of his skills.But of all the players I've seen play it's Maradonna and then Zidanne.
Maradonna first because he single handedly won the world cup for Argentina with a team that was average at best.

As a side note Magicdplaya, I don't think Henry even comes close to Zidanne.
 
u forgot Gerd Müller and romario or even ronaldo and george weah. those list are all subjective...it depends on wat u like to see in a player....i almost forgot jurgen klinsman and eric cantona. I for one will say ZIDANE is the player i enjoyed most to watch.
 
^^ohh man romario he was fun to watch, ronaldo was a walking god, even when he got chubby up until you know...
whatever happened to weah that guy was amazing. the thing about zidane is that he will be known for his head butt in the wc2006, but yeah he was poetry in motion.

all the guys you mention were show stoppers, but the guys on mcp's lists are the ones you typically hear over and over again
 
All things being equal, Zizou is top 5 easy. Pele is undoubtedly great, but if you think the quality of defenders was the same then as now...:smh: Defenders weren't even as good in Maradona's time as they are now.
 
^yes, yes you bring up a valid point, but it seems to me the defender is usually at a disadvantage especially with a world class player coming at them. also it seems many of the defenders rated highly today are more attack minded
 
I almost forgot some other players who I felt were better than Zidane.

Marco Van Basten, Franco Baresi, Romario (How could I forget this guy) and Gerd Muller....


And speaking of Van Basten's goals, check this one out.

 
charlie dark said:
I never saw Pele play and I don't think many of us did, I've just seen clips of his skills.But of all the players I've seen play it's Maradonna and then Zidanne.
Maradonna first because he single handedly won the world cup for Argentina with a team that was average at best.

As a side note Magicdplaya, I don't think Henry even comes close to Zidanne.
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Some of you guys must just start watch football Zidane is not in the top 5​
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hey if he supports the hotspurs, he obviously really, really , really likes his futbol

that said go arsenal..
 
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Yes he is !This man is simply a God in France, not a player ...
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Michel Platini never won the world cup...
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10 years after the 98 world cup , he's still the best .
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Zidane is forever in our hearts
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Someone even made a movie of him before he left the soccer.
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[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/4Oso4gRB8DM[/flash]It was the Champions League Final !:)
 
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Its all very well naming Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff etc; but were you watching them at their peak?

Also its kinda impossible to compare players that play in different positions.

I think Beckhams opinion is fair considering he's actually played with him, and trained with him on a day to day basis.

I think Zidane, R9 and Maldini are the best players of my generation (I'm early 20's).
 
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France Football's Football Player of the Century

The French weekly magazine France-Football consulted their former "Ballon D'Or" winners to elect the Football Player of the Century. Among the 34 former "Ballon D'Or" winners (from 1956 to 1999) only 30 of the voted: Matthews, Sivori and Best refused to vote, and Yashin is dead.

Each of the 30 voters choose 5 players: 5 points for the 1st place, 4 points for 2nd, 3 points for 3rd, 2 points for 4th and 1 point for 5th. But Di Stefano only choose a 1st place, Platini a 1st and 2nd place, and Weah 2 players for 5th place (giving ½ point to each one).

1. Edson Arantes do Nascimento "PELÉ" (Brazil) 122 pts
2. Diego MARADONA (Argentina) 65
3. Johan CRUYFF (Netherlands) 62
4. Alfredo DI STEFANO (Argentina/Spain) 44
5. Michel PLATINI (France) 40
6. Franz BECKENBAUER (Germany) 35
7. Ferenc PUSKAS (Hungary) 12
8. Marco VAN BASTEN (Netherlands) 11
9. Artur Antunes Coimbra "ZICO" (Brazil) 7
10. Gerd MÜLLER (Germany) 5
http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/best-x-players-of-y.html
 
Guerin' Sportivo's I 50 Grandi del Secolo by Adalberto Bortolotti

The Guerin' Sportivo (Italy) have given their eminence grise space to publish his personal top-50 of the 20th century. One player is highlighted every week, and by the end of the year 1999 the top-50 will be complete. So far the following players have featured. Names are listed as printed in the magazine; so are the titles of the stories.

1.Pelé
2.Diego Armando Maradona
3.Alfredo Di Stefano
4.Johan Cruijff
5.Giuseppe Meazza
6.Ferenc Puskas
7.Valentino Mazzola
8.Juan Alberto Schiaffino
9.Michel Platini
10.Franz Beckenbauer

granted these lists are old,so zidane would probably make top 5, but to me 1 and 2 are locked in
 
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Ogsta said:
Its all very well naming Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff etc; but were you watching them at their peak?
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Are you insinuating that we should only give credit to a player's greatness only if we watch them at their peak?

This remind me of the young 14 yr olds on BGOL that say Kobe is the greatest of all-time.

btw I watched Maradona in his prime.

Also its kinda impossible to compare players that play in different positions.

I think Beckhams opinion is fair considering he's actually played with him, and trained with him on a day to day basis.

I think Zidane, R9 and Maldini are the best players of my generation (I'm early 20's).
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How can Beckham's opinion be fair? It seems more bias than fair since he never saw Pele and other great players in their prime.

The best player ever? :smh:
 
Rudey said:
Are you insinuating that we should only give credit to a player's greatness only if we watch them at their peak?

This remind me of the young 14 yr olds on BGOL that say Kobe is the greatest of all-time.

btw I watched Maradona in his prime.



How can Beckham's opinion be fair? It seems more bias than fair since he never saw Pele and other great players in their prime.

The best player ever? :smh:
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Yes thats exactly what I'm saying. Your basing your opinions on someone elses. How can you tell how good someone was if you didn't actually watch them at the time. Watching hours of highlights does not compare to watching someone influence a full 90 minute game!

How is it bias? That doesn't make sense to me. If he picked Michael Owen, because he was English, then that would be biased. He's forming an opinion based on what he has seen. Remember he was also playing alongside Figo, Ronaldo, Carlos, Keane et al.

Also take note that football back in the day was no way near the levels of the modern game, in terms of fitness and knowledge. Players from the 70's and 80's wouldn't be able to embarrass modern day defenders the way they used to
 
soccer like baseball is rooted in tradition, thats why u have very little rule changes. pele gets the nod because he was one of the firsts to show such technique and creativity with the ball. hes the originator, in short the father of all beautiful football
 
drunkard said:
^yes, yes you bring up a valid point, but it seems to me the defender is usually at a disadvantage especially with a world class player coming at them. also it seems many of the defenders rated highly today are more attack minded
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World-class defenders were more rare back then than they are now, I think. As the game evolved defenders would cancel out strikers, so attacking midfielders got involved, to be cancelled out by defensive meidfielders, so defensive midfielders with attacking capabilities got developed(think Essien and others) as an added variable, and then defenders themselves with attacking mindsets like Roberto Carlos or Jon Arne Riise or any number of attacking wingbacks.

The game is different now than it was then. I wouldn't say Zidane is the best player, there are too many variables for that. I doubt his defensive credentials, for example. Best I'd say he's the most complete player I've seen, especially as far as his vision on the field and his composure is concerned.



Props for mentioning Zico, a lot of people leave him out because he didn't win a World Cup. That '82 thing still irks me. :smh:
 
Ogsta said:
Yes thats exactly what I'm saying. Your basing your opinions on someone elses. How can you tell how good someone was if you didn't actually watch them at the time. Watching hours of highlights does not compare to watching someone influence a full 90 minute game!
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Come on kid this is a silly question.I can tell by the feat they accomplished,impact they made on the game,records,stats.

That's like saying ppl under 30 cannot tell how good Bill Russell and Chamberlain was because they didn't watched them.

How is it bias? That doesn't make sense to me. If he picked Michael Owen, because he was English, then that would be biased. He's forming an opinion based on what he has seen. Remember he was also playing alongside Figo, Ronaldo, Carlos, Keane et al.

Also take note that football back in the day was no way near the levels of the modern game, in terms of fitness and knowledge. Players from the 70's and 80's wouldn't be able to embarrass modern day defenders the way they used to
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Contradicting argument!

If I cannot give credit to a player's greatness because I never watched him in his prime,how can a person(YOU) in his early 20's talk about the level of football in the 70's and 80's?

Wouldn't that mean you are basing "your opinions on someone elses"?

When I say bias I was alluding to the fact that Zidane was a teammate.You do know that nationality is not the only thing ppl are bias with right?
 
Probably the best plyaer of the last 15 years hands down.
Won everything there is for a player to won and did it in style.
Barring injury, Ronaldo would've been there.

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strenkt said:
Probably the best plyaer of the last 15 years hands down.
Won everything there is for a player to won and did it in style.
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in the last 15 years i can agree, but for me and many outside of french speaking countries his legacy is tarnished. regardless of what that ass said to him a player of his level does not get himself kicked out of a world cup final.
 
No mention of George Best?

Ok im only 29 so much of the 'great players' i.e. those who are afforded legendary status applied their trade before my time.

I have of course seen footage of all the so called greats.

Zidane is easily one of the the best players of this era, as for top 5 of all time it is hard to judge its like asking who was the greatest boxer of all time....you can form opinions but too many varibles change to really conclusively come to a decision.

In football so much has changed, the ball has become so much lighter to the extent it is like kicking a balloon compared with the old brown level balls of a by gone era.

As such players can kick the ball harder and faster and do things that look more spectactular

Who is to say that the great players of the past would not have done the same or more spectualar things then the likes of Zidane if they too had the improved varibles such as increased fitness due to the introduction of sports science for things like proper diet and training methods.

Or the lighter balls which fly around and swerve in all directions, or the improved playing surfaces (now like a carpet, check the condition of the old pitches, even improved equipment such as lighter/better boots to play with.

some great players I would add to the list who could atleast be considered on a par with Zidane...(people not already mentioned in thread)

George Best
Bobby Charlton
Puskas
Eusebio
Stoichkov
Baggio
Gullit
Gascoigne
Di Stefano
Rossi

As for the the statement defenders being better now then in days gone by? what is that based on? that is one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard.

Firstly the game has gone soft, nearly all contact has been outlawed by FIFA. In the old days truely great attacking players would have to overcome crunching physical challanges by players/defenders who were both skilled and physically immense.

Most defenders now days are soft and the laws are all in the attacking players favour (no tackles from behind, looser offside laws, outlawed shoulder challanges) as such it is far easier for a great attacking player to look good now days then in a time where the ball was a rock, the pitch was a mud field and the defenders would kick ten lumps of shit out of them everytime they got on the ball.

Also someone please show me a better modern day defender then Englands great Bobby Moore? or Beckenbauer or Baresi?

To say that defenders are much better today is just stupid. Yes there are some excellent defenders but it is not the case that the standard of defending has generally risen. Add to this the factors I have mentioned previously then I would suggest that it is by far and away easier for an attacking player to look good in the modern game then it was in previous eras.
 
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As for the the statement defenders being better now then in days gone by? what is that based on? that is one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard.

Firstly the game has gone soft, nearly all contact has been outlawed by FIFA. In the old days truely great attacking players would have to overcome crunching physical challanges by players/defenders who were both skilled and physically immense.

Most defenders now days are soft and the laws are all in the attacking players favour (no tackles from behind, looser offside laws, outlawed shoulder challanges) as such it is far easier for a great attacking player to look good now days then in a time where the ball was a rock, the pitch was a mud field and the defenders would kick ten lumps of shit out of them everytime they got on the ball.

Also someone please show me a better modern day defender then Englands great Bobby Moore? or Beckenbauer or Baresi?

To say that defenders are much better today is just stupid. Yes there are some excellent defenders but it is not the case that the standard of defending has generally risen. Add to this the factors I have mentioned previously then I would suggest that it is by far and away easier for an attacking player to look good in the modern game then it was in previous eras.
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Even with the rule changes, modern defenders are better. It could even be argued that they're better because of the restrictions placed on them...unless, of course, you want to espouse the view that tackles from behind should be allowed? Studs-up/first slide tackles? Does THIS benefit the game in any way?

Defenders now are better. If they were not, if attackers were so coddled as you pretend they are, goalscoring would have skyrocketed. It hasn't, it's stayed about the same. The defensive players, coaching and technical strategies have simply adjusted to compensate for the rule changes.


I agree with you on the impact of technological improvements and sport science contributions though, those are all valid points.
 
i think Ronaldo is also one of the best players of all time. look at the 2 vids, no other player did shit like that and made it look that easy..

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Majestic Lion said:
Even with the rule changes, modern defenders are better. It could even be argued that they're better because of the restrictions placed on them...unless, of course, you want to espouse the view that tackles from behind should be allowed? Studs-up/first slide tackles? Does THIS benefit the game in any way?

Defenders now are better. If they were not, if attackers were so coddled as you pretend they are, goalscoring would have skyrocketed. It hasn't, it's stayed about the same. The defensive players, coaching and technical strategies have simply adjusted to compensate for the rule changes.


I agree with you on the impact of technological improvements and sport science contributions though, those are all valid points.
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What evidence do you have to suggest defenders are better now?

I only raised the point regarding the offside laws and stronger challanges because it has an impact on the attacking players ability to look good (as I assumed the initial comment was there to suggest attackers have to be better now to overcome the greater defenders)

But I really dont know where the conception has come for that the standard of defending today is better then a by gone era? Certainly those defenders considered to be the greatest of all time mostly come from previous generations of football.

Maldini being the only notable exception I can think of, he is a modern greatbut aside from him which defenders today would be considered to be all time greats?

Im not saying your wrong, and im certainly not saying defending was better in days gone by per say, but why should it be taken for granted that the defenders of today are of a greater standard then those from the 80's and before?

I personally feel the standard of defending would be similar and dont see any reason why todays defening standard would have increased over the improved fitness (which could be offset by attacking players improved fitness levels to and thus being an even progression)

And as for the rate of goal, they stay the same according to your own stats (one I have not bothered to check) but this surely suggests a stagent standard (otherwise wouldnt goals be much lower if defending had improved so greatly?)

my whole point was that it was harder for players in the past to score the types of spectacular goals they do today because of the types of balls they used (this doesnt mean more goals would be scored just that they are done so in differing ways)
 
Majestic Lion said:
World-class defenders were more rare back then than they are now, I think. As the game evolved defenders would cancel out strikers, so attacking midfielders got involved, to be cancelled out by defensive meidfielders, so defensive midfielders with attacking capabilities got developed(think Essien and others) as an added variable, and then defenders themselves with attacking mindsets like Roberto Carlos or Jon Arne Riise or any number of attacking wingbacks.

The game is different now than it was then. I wouldn't say Zidane is the best player, there are too many variables for that. I doubt his defensive credentials, for example. Best I'd say he's the most complete player I've seen, especially as far as his vision on the field and his composure is concerned.


Props for mentioning Zico, a lot of people leave him out because he didn't win a World Cup. That '82 thing still irks me. :smh:
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c'mon stop with this.
 
SicknesS said:
i think Ronaldo is also one of the best players of all time. look at the 2 vids, no other player did shit like that and made it look that easy..

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I know "IF's" are irrelevant but if Ronaldo never fucks his knee up he would have challenged :yes::yes::yes:
 
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