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WTF happened to our music???

Rudey said:
If you want to blabber about your so called intelligence in every post,why don't you go visit some other site?

Don't allow BGOL to decimate your high IQ.
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I have no idea what my IQ is, and since IQ has no statistical validity I really don't care. If my posts so piss you off why don't YOU go visit some other site? Sorry you find intelligent dialogue so difficult to follow...
 
sean69 said:
Hey, what ever happened to that thread about Islam and women ??:confused:
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No contradiction in positions. The women on this board are- I hope- fully emancipated adult American women (or a reasonable facsimle thereof). They are not in bondage, and therefore cannot be forced to submit pussy shots or dicsuss their killa head techniques against their will.

Actually, raunchy talk supports my point about Islam. Women are free to either engage it or not as is their pleasure. My overall point is that we are better off in the West with women being agents of their own free will (most of the time, anyway...).

Es claro?
 
owl said:
Can we for a second be honest about not only our critique, but the reality of capitalism as it has been?

During the late eighties and very early nineties hip-hop was saturated with "socially aware" music...then came eazy, and cube, and they altered the definition of social consciousness of hip-hop, they created the trend of "gangster rap" which ultimately BECAME rap because it sold to a group of individuals who collectively had been emasculated and were dying to express the pain without needing a dictionary(I mean, come on...cats knew all the words to love is gonna get'cu and still missed the fucking point), Tupac attempted to blend the two styles that had thus far defined hip-hop, but the reality is in order to teach you have to teach because the war like human doesn't have time to comprehend and this is where hip hop ultimately failed us as a people. Music has lost its way because we want to gangsterize everything, and I am the poster child for the effects of hip hop's venture into first person depictions of black urban existence...this is the pattern of human behavior, so couple that with industry, intellectual property, and capital...every form of music has been affected, even Boyce Watkins thinks he talking to teenagers on a corner, the machismo bred from being men without power has drowned one of the most precious gifts we have given to the world thus far...

the white children who are actually funding the artist don't understand. They see this world on television that they wish they could explore, and they are awed by the children at their school who seem to naturally possess these abilities that they only see on television, and they want to be apart of that. The brother who grew up listening to black moon no longer wants to emulate Mos Def because Mos Def ain't in Ke-Ke nem trunk...lil wayne is...so he begins to emulate wayne....

So, the money is the reason we got attracted, and the money exposed our inner weakness....and opened up pandora's box....
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As usual, your fact pattern seems rock solid. So the money did it- or as Solomon said, the love of money. Okay, humans like acquiring shit. So where do we go from here? Acesticism has always been a tough sell. Perhaps you propose an elevation of the human spirit/intellect via education? Agree wholeheartedly, but you see the villification I often receive by trying to elevate some of these discussions to a higher level.

Don't take this wrong, but as black folks we have become experts at defining and re-defining "the problem". Where we need a little help is in possible solutions. I will grant that your take takes something of a panoramic view (Damn I loved NWA when they hit, they were such, I thought, badasses), but my questions remains: what do you propose?
 
Robeson said:
As usual, your fact pattern seems rock solid. So the money did it- or as Solomon said, the love of money. Okay, humans like acquiring shit. So where do we go from here? Acesticism has always been a tough sell. Perhaps you propose an elevation of the human spirit/intellect via education? Agree wholeheartedly, but you see the villification I often receive by trying to elevate some of these discussions to a higher level.

Don't take this wrong, but as black folks we have become experts at defining and re-defining "the problem". Where we need a little help is in possible solutions. I will grant that your take takes something of a panoramic view (Damn I loved NWA when they hit, they were such, I thought, badasses), but my questions remains: what do you propose?
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This right here is the crux to all our problems...keep discussin' things over and over without the tincture of ever comig up with a possible solution. This is also why I don't lend my opinion as much in threads...it either gets unwarranted scrutiny or the run through with faulty semantics.

I gave my initial post as a hope for a laugh but with much truism...if you see the players involved, you can see the problem...
 
OnSlaught said:
This right here is the crux to all our problems...keep discussin' things over and over without the tincture of ever comig up with a possible solution. This is also why I don't lend my opinion as much in threads...it either gets unwarranted scrutiny or the run through with faulty semantics.

I gave my initial post as a hope for a laugh but with much truism...if you see the players involved, you can see the problem...
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For me it's not really a problem. I'm an older cat, so some of the young shit doesn't move me, but some of it does. Kanye's talent is unmistakable, but some folks consider him a sellout. It's always the same. You think Lil Richard was welcomed into the homes of middle class black America? (I'm not THAT old...)

Some folks blame the money. Okay, but so what? Ere-body wanna get paid, right? So there are some shysters who could care less about the art. So what? Talent will always come through, and one of today's cats- maybe TI, maybe Lil Wayne,
maybe, let's hope not, Fiddy- will have folks paying hard currency to see them 30 years from now (can you say Frankie Beverly?). You and I can't make that call, nor can anyone on the board today, because what makes someone great 40 years from now is unknowable today.

You think Chopin was tryin' to be immortal? Hell no. he was just like us- trying to get some pussy and make some money. He got a lot of both, and immortality to boot.

Hope I didn't use too many big words.....
 
Robeson said:
No contradiction in positions. The women on this board are- I hope- fully emancipated adult American women (or a reasonable facsimle thereof). They are not in bondage, and therefore cannot be forced to submit pussy shots or dicsuss their killa head techniques against their will.

Actually, raunchy talk supports my point about Islam. Women are free to either engage it or not as is their pleasure. My overall point is that we are better off in the West with women being agents of their own free will (most of the time, anyway...).

Es claro?
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:confused: Dude, I was just simply asking where the thread we were having that debate on went, because I couldn't find it on the boards anymore. I'm not taking shots at you nucca, damn. :lol:

Talk about getting caught in the cross-fire like a muhfucka! :lol:



LeroyDibiase said:
For some reason, Da Don's threads on SOL have been deleted.
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WTF?! :angry::angry:
There was some fiyah in that thread! :angry::angry: I actually wanted to share some of the views with memebers of my blog.
Who's responsible for this shit?:(:smh:
 
Robeson said:
As usual, your fact pattern seems rock solid. So the money did it- or as Solomon said, the love of money. Okay, humans like acquiring shit. So where do we go from here? Acesticism has always been a tough sell. Perhaps you propose an elevation of the human spirit/intellect via education? Agree wholeheartedly, but you see the villification I often receive by trying to elevate some of these discussions to a higher level.

Don't take this wrong, but as black folks we have become experts at defining and re-defining "the problem". Where we need a little help is in possible solutions. I will grant that your take takes something of a panoramic view (Damn I loved NWA when they hit, they were such, I thought, badasses), but my questions remains: what do you propose?
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Outside of my own personal efforts to kill the stereotypic behaviors I personally display, my battles with substance abuse, not supporting music I deem garbage, and laughing at those who do, I also assist in running manhood training classes in the black community.

Since we can pin point the genre that is influencing EVERYTHING(oh shit, overwhelming generalization...LOL), many things...lol....and we can avoid debate over which gender is in control of that form, then we have to work on that gender's accepted display of its definition. We don't have a clear cut right of passage, and the forms of culture that originated from us grew out of slavery, the civil rights movement, the black nationalist movements, and our particular existence surviving american poverty.

If we can get the younger generation to realize that you can express yourself and get respect without having to be misogynistic, violent, uninformed, miseducated or involved in the black urban war and the politics that come with it, then we can watch them create a form of music that will be an expression of that new self value.


I'm hoping it works anyway....
 
owl said:
Outside of my own personal efforts to kill the stereotypic behaviors I personally display, my battles with substance abuse, not supporting music I deem garbage, and laughing at those who do, I also assist in running manhood training classes in the black community.

Since we can pin point the genre that is influencing EVERYTHING(oh shit, overwhelming generalization...LOL), many things...lol....and we can avoid debate over which gender is in control of that form, then we have to work on that gender's accepted display of its definition. We don't have a clear cut right of passage, and the forms of culture that originated from us grew out of slavery, the civil rights movement, the black nationalist movements, and our particular existence surviving american poverty.

If we can get the younger generation to realize that you can express yourself and get respect without having to be misogynistic, violent, uninformed, miseducated or involved in the black urban war and the politics that come with it, then we can watch them create a form of music that will be an expression of that new self value.


I'm hoping it works anyway....
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And cats dont' like this shit? Damn...

Well done on your life's changes. Been there, done that (variations on a theme at least - different substance).

We have to find a medium to continue this; I fear for my life if we have too lucid a discussion on the board LOL. I am very interested to hear more of your take on the negative influence of hip hop. I was there a while back, but considered myself to have "evolved" through a lot of contact with a 20 something crowd. Maybe I need to re-consider. Anyway, anything positive with the young brothers is to be commended. They have just been left holding the damnned bag, and the result we see all around us (this board???).

As an aside (fuck you, LD) I just picked up an audiobook of Jared Diamond- Guns Germs and Steel: the Fates of Human Societies. While my first take was here we have yet another Euro-centric historian, he is actually a biologist that spent 30 years in New Zealand studying the locals. Some of his takes are pretty interesting, but if you have heard of this work I would be interested in your take on it. If not, I'll see how I can get the audio files to you.
 
sean69 said:
:confused: Dude, I was just simply asking where the thread we were having that debate on went, because I couldn't find it on the boards anymore. I'm not taking shots at you nucca, damn. :lol:

Talk about getting caught in the cross-fire like a muhfucka! :lol:
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My bad... the gun just goes off on its own sometimes. I gotta keep that fucker holstered till it's needed.
:lol:
 
Robeson said:
And cats dont' like this shit? Damn...

Well done on your life's changes. Been there, done that (variations on a theme at least - different substance).

We have to find a medium to continue this; I fear for my life if we have too lucid a discussion on the board LOL. I am very interested to hear more of your take on the negative influence of hip hop. I was there a while back, but considered myself to have "evolved" through a lot of contact with a 20 something crowd. Maybe I need to re-consider. Anyway, anything positive with the young brothers is to be commended. They have just been left holding the damnned bag, and the result we see all around us (this board???).

As an aside (fuck you, LD) I just picked up an audiobook of Jared Diamond- Guns Germs and Steel: the Fates of Human Societies. While my first take was here we have yet another Euro-centric historian, he is actually a biologist that spent 30 years in New Zealand studying the locals. Some of his takes are pretty interesting, but if you have heard of this work I would be interested in your take on it. If not, I'll see how I can get the audio files to you.
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Shoot that link...

Communication is ultimately the vehicle of the gods and we must accept that some desire mortality, while others, whether desiring it, or just understanding it some kind of way, have secured a place amongst those who have paved the way. In training, I always tell those of exceptional understanding that it is what is....and in this will WE rise...

Sometimes, I wonder how a George, Ben, and Thomas, could have possible enjoyed one another's company considering their varied class, experiences, and talents...I am now finally beginning to understand how this works....

Stay up, Black man....this is the reason they kept us from reading...
 
sean69 said:


Trigger happy muhfucka! :smh:
:lol:
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Now a sense of humor? THAT is the ultimate intelligence, because all of this is bullshit anyway:yes:

I'm going to two funerals this week of cats that died before they were 60. Live while you are alive, folks...
 
actually nobody has touched on this but when they started to take music programs out of public schools it really messed music up. the first place people usually pick up activities is in school. Imagine if they took sports out of public school , the number of great football players would go way down along with athletes in general. no difference in music . think about it
 

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