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WTF happened to our music???

sean69

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This is more of a rhetorical question, but fuck it.
WTF happened to R&B/Soul music?

When artists sang from the heart and spit smooth creative soulful lyrics?

Like ...
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And ...
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WTF happened to raw unplugged three/four part harmony?

 Check out @ 4:06, how son murders that note. :smh: Utterly despicable.
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... or musicians?

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When you'd take a classic and do justice to it ...

 This right here. This. Right. Here. Is. My. Shit. :yes:
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Man, What The Fuck?

:angry: :angry: :angry:
 
THIS NIGGA:

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THIS NIGGA:

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AND THIS NIGGA:

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PLAYED A BIG, BIG PART IN KILLIN' IT...:smh::smh::smh:
 
Nothing happened.

You just grew up and grew OUT OF TOUCH, just like every generation before you. Living in the past is THE problem. Music heroes come and go and musical tastes always change.
 
gospel is turning into the new r&b. my girl turned me on to the new wave of gospel music and it's pretty good.
 
To me it seems that certain factors come first before talent when decided to launch a new artist onto the scene, e.g looks, character etc. Then if he/she can sing,
 
Money has always drven the music industry. It's a business. Duke Ellington made a fortune- was he a sellout? Charlie Parker didn't make shit because he wasn't a businessman- but he could blow the hell out of a horn. You think Miles Davis wasn't a mercenary? Bull-Shit.

Can't tell me Alicia Keyes and Musiq Soulchild are not great musicians. I'm an old cat and I dig both of them. Musiq is a fucking genius, and actually gives a concert which apart from being phenomenal you could take your 10 year old daughter to. Anthony Hamilton- young cat with plent of R & B in him.

Not saying the music business isn't totally fucked. It is. But that's Pop culture for you. It's Pop culture because it's about the quick here and now. Only time tells you what is really good. Why do you thing people keep listening to Chopin? Cause 100 years from now that shit will still sound nice.

Diddy and them cats came in, assessed the market- kids who want to booty shake to a simple, hard beat- and made their loot. It's not the end of civilization as we know it. Our folks will never stop producing Stevie Wonders and Marvin Gayes, cuz that's just what we do. If ya'll will listen to bullshit (I cannot STAND contemporary black radio!) then don't blame Diddy for taking your damned money.
 
Hold up . . . . .

Blunt said:
Nothing happened.

You just grew up and grew OUT OF TOUCH, just like every generation before you. Living in the past is THE problem. Music heroes come and go and musical tastes always change.
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But SEAN had your ORIGINAL POST . . .

Blunt said:
Nothing happened.

I'm just OUT OF TOUCH, just like every cac like me. Living in the past is my problem. Music homos come and go and my tastes for them never change.
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:lol:

You are white huh.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Robeson said:
Money has always drven the music industry. It's a business. Duke Ellington made a fortune- was he a sellout? Charlie Parker didn't make shit because he wasn't a businessman- but he could blow the hell out of a horn. You think Miles Davis wasn't a mercenary? Bull-Shit.

Can't tell me Alicia Keyes and Musiq Soulchild are not great musicians. I'm an old cat and I dig both of them. Musiq is a fucking genius, and actually gives a concert which apart from being phenomenal you could take your 10 year old daughter to. Anthony Hamilton- young cat with plent of R & B in him.

Not saying the music business isn't totally fucked. It is. But that's Pop culture for you. It's Pop culture because it's about the quick here and now. Only time tells you what is really good. Why do you thing people keep listening to Chopin? Cause 100 years from now that shit will still sound nice.

Diddy and them cats came in, assessed the market- kids who want to booty shake to a simple, hard beat- and made their loot. It's not the end of civilization as we know it. Our folks will never stop producing Stevie Wonders and Marvin Gayes, cuz that's just what we do. If ya'll will listen to bullshit (I cannot STAND contemporary black radio!) then don't blame Diddy for taking your damned money.
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I think you are missing the point. And I understand your support for the capitalist machine that has provided you a means to an obviously enviable end, yet, what we are speaking on is the quality of the music. No, all musicians aren't sellouts. However, when a form or genre of music that was breed in the belly of poverty begins to generate capital to the level of Master P's House, Fifty Cent's Empire, Jay-Z's wife(lol), then you will eventually have people saying and producing anything just to get paid. This opportunistic mentality has saturated the market with songs that no longer provide substance because substance is no longer necessary to sell a record. And like you said, it is a business...so those with substance may never get heard because they lack the business acumen to propose to money men a means to get their work distributed.
 
owl said:
I think you are missing the point. And I understand your support for the capitalist machine that has provided you a means to an obviously enviable end, yet, what we are speaking on is the quality of the music. No, all musicians aren't sellouts. However, when a form or genre of music that was breed in the belly of poverty begins to generate capital to the level of Master P's House, Fifty Cent's Empire, Jay-Z's wife(lol), then you will eventually have people saying and producing anything just to get paid. This opportunistic mentality has saturated the market with songs that no longer provide substance because substance is no longer necessary to sell a record. And like you said, it is a business...so those with substance may never get heard because they lack the business acumen to propose to money men a means to get their work distributed.
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So are you seeing a disagreement in your position and mine? I don't. I am all for a critique of capitalism- so was Marx. But after the critique is over (and, again, I am saying the critique should occur) the hustlers are still going to hustle. And this "capitalist machine" that has provided an end so enviable to me has also provide an infinite amount of possibilities for artists to get heard (I will start and stop with YouTube, but you are smart and get my point). LilWayne, who I have absolutely no artistic attraction to, has made an entire industry out of hustling mix tapes without any corporate involvement at all (I dont' mean now, I mean when he began).

It's like open source software- best app wins. Yeah, the music industry can push this and that, but they have absolutely no control over what lasts over time.

During the Middle Ages, churches provided virtually all of the artistic sponsorship. Were a lot of great artists missed because of this? I am sure there were. But take one trip to Italy and you will see some art that will last for 10,000 years.
 
Robeson said:
So are you seeing a disagreement in your position and mine? I don't. I am all for a critique of capitalism- so was Marx. But after the critique is over (and, again, I am saying the critique should occur) the hustlers are still going to hustle. And this "capitalist machine" that has provided an end so enviable to me has also provide an infinite amount of possibilities for artists to get heard (I will start and stop with YouTube, but you are smart and get my point). LilWayne, who I have absolutely no artistic attraction to, has made an entire industry out of hustling mix tapes without any corporate involvement at all (I dont' mean now, I mean when he began).

It's like open source software- best app wins. Yeah, the music industry can push this and that, but they have absolutely no control over what lasts over time.

During the Middle Ages, churches provided virtually all of the artistic sponsorship. Were a lot of great artists missed because of this? I am sure there were. But take one trip to Italy and you will see some art that will last for 10,000 years.
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Can we for a second be honest about not only our critique, but the reality of capitalism as it has been?

During the late eighties and very early nineties hip-hop was saturated with "socially aware" music...then came eazy, and cube, and they altered the definition of social consciousness of hip-hop, they created the trend of "gangster rap" which ultimately BECAME rap because it sold to a group of individuals who collectively had been emasculated and were dying to express the pain without needing a dictionary(I mean, come on...cats knew all the words to love is gonna get'cu and still missed the fucking point), Tupac attempted to blend the two styles that had thus far defined hip-hop, but the reality is in order to teach you have to teach because the war like human doesn't have time to comprehend and this is where hip hop ultimately failed us as a people. Music has lost its way because we want to gangsterize everything, and I am the poster child for the effects of hip hop's venture into first person depictions of black urban existence...this is the pattern of human behavior, so couple that with industry, intellectual property, and capital...every form of music has been affected, even Boyce Watkins thinks he talking to teenagers on a corner, the machismo bred from being men without power has drowned one of the most precious gifts we have given to the world thus far...

the white children who are actually funding the artist don't understand. They see this world on television that they wish they could explore, and they are awed by the children at their school who seem to naturally possess these abilities that they only see on television, and they want to be apart of that. The brother who grew up listening to black moon no longer wants to emulate Mos Def because Mos Def ain't in Ke-Ke nem trunk...lil wayne is...so he begins to emulate wayne....

So, the money is the reason we got attracted, and the money exposed our inner weakness....and opened up pandora's box....
 
Ain't shit really happened to it except it's not popular right now. Pop music has always been the most popular. That's why it's pop! :lol: The biggest selling album ever was Thriller. And I hate to say it, but Michael Jackson was the WAY more talented T-Pain!!! :eek: Yeah I said it goddamn it! :angry:

There are good R&B artists out there, but you just don't hear about them. Donell Jones, Dave Hollister, Jill Scott (well she's more soul), etc...
 
Umm No Offense But People Seem To Like The Music That Is Out Now And Nobody Is Forcing On Them ..... I Still Love Kc And Jo Jo And Every Now And Then I Break Out The Old Boyz To Men Or Prophet Jones Jessse Powell And Such But I Also Like And Respect The New Shit
 
I remember earlier this week on WPGC, Tig was asking what current joint that's hot now will still bang at summertime cookouts 20 years from now. All of the responses were laughable, because NOBODY makes timeless mainstream music anymore. Jeff knew what he was doing with that Summer Madness rip, Frankie and Maze had a sense of what it took to get a crowd moving with "Before I let go," and nobody, not artist, not songwriter, not producer, has a CLUE how to create a sound that stands the test of time and spans generations. Popular Music is what's killing the art right about now.
 
Money and greed happened. No one really knows how to be a musician anymore. Being gangsta is in now. If You say to your girl, I love You your called a bitch a fag or gay. If U say to them lames that's why for daddy left your bitch ass. They wanna fight they are hurting inside at 32 still. Kats trying to be something their not. Jay-z said in Fade 2 Black "Guys are scared to be themselves. That is why everyone sounds the same.

Kats is trying to hard these days. I'll still play Donny Hathaway, Maxwell,Playa, Anthony Hamilton among others and cool out and cook.


I don't let current radio annoy me. I'm not a fan of T pain, Akon or other kats. I don't buy their cd's its' that simple. I'm 23 I can't stand a lot of this current musik.

Its' not even in musik its the dress as well. I've seen younger guys get picked out they are well dress say some sandals, cargo shorts and a polo. Other guys will tell kats their acting white gay etc etc.

You have to search out good musik these days.
 
The decline started with the no pussy gettin' brothers calling sisters bitches and the sisters accepting it. Used to be you called a sister a bitch it was on. Brothers used to sing LOVE songs to the honeys, now most of these fake hard ass thug wannabes think its dope to degrade them. :smh:
 
shanebp1978 said:
Black people don't go to Church. :hmm: Think about it.

Money.
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Shane that response carries more truth than you can imagine. Back in the golden days of R&B music (the 60s ) artist who spent their earlier years singing gospel music started moving R&B. Now factor in the deminished roll of the church within black communties.

One example is the gospel group the "Soul Stirrers." From that group alone came Sam Cooke, Johnnie Taylor and Lou Rawls while were at it add in Wilson Pickett. He was from a different group but many of these groups toured together. Let's also add in Aretha Franklin. That's a lot of top 10 and number #1 hits on all the music charts. These singers influenced both Doo Wop and much of the early years or R&B.

Now factor in the money aspect and you have a music industry that sucks. The lack of quality writers, marginal producers, producers that lack originality and there you have a product that misses the real market from A-Z.

ronmch20 said:
The decline started with the no pussy gettin' brothers calling sisters bitches and the sisters accepting it. Used to be you called a sister a bitch it was on. Brothers used to sing LOVE songs to the honeys, now most of these fake hard ass thug wannabes think its dope to degrade them. :smh:
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These factors have done more to decrease even eliminate what once held our families and communities together. We really need to get back to brothers singing love songs. At least then there was hope.
 
i wonder if you guys realize that this is the same conversation our parents had about the pop music and their parents had about the pop music of the time..... Music changes and evolves. You don't have to like it but complaining about it accomplishes nothing. Support the artists you like, fuck the artists you don't. Just stop whining. You guys sound like my parent's parents parents grandparents. :smh:
 
Harlem's Angel said:
i wonder if you guys realize that this is the same conversation our parents had about the pop music and their parents had about the pop music of the time..... Music changes and evolves. You don't have to like it but complaining about it accomplishes nothing. Support the artists you like, fuck the artists you don't. Just stop whining. You guys sound like my parent's parents parents grandparents. :smh:
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As you will sound like them one day, too, young missy LOL. Re-read some of the replies, and you may conclude that the argument is not really about the music, but the music industry (with homage to Owl I will say a critque of capitalism).

A lot of folks don't know or forget that the term "jazz" really means illicit sexual activity. Not just fucking, fucking in the wrong. "Decent" society, black and white, wanted nothing to do with it. Wynton Marsallis, the jazz virtuoso, humorously degraded hip hop a few years ago (he was serious, it was just terribly ironic that he said that hip hop wasn't even music). An interesting changing of the guard, wouldn't you say?

Well, if ya'll don't start posting more pussy shots or talking more about your head techniques, this board may take a turn in a decidedly intellectual direction. We wouldn't want that now, would we.
 
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Robeson said:
As you will sound like them one day, too, young missy LOL. Re-read some of the replies, and you may conclude that the argument is not really about the music, but the music industry (with homage to Owl I will say a critque of capitalism).

A lot of folks don't know or forget that the term "jazz" really means illicit sexual activity. Not just fucking, fucking in the wrong. "Decent" society, black and white, wanted nothing to do with it. Wynton Marsallis, the jazz virtuoso, humorously degraded hip hop a few years ago (he was serious, it was just terribly ironic that he said that hip hop wasn't even music). And interesting changing of the guard, wouldn't you say?

Well, if ya'll don't start posting more pussy shots or talking more about your head techniques, this board may take a turn in a decidedly intellectual direction. We wouldn't want that now, would we.
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:hmm::smh:
 
Harlem's Angel said:
i wonder if you guys realize that this is the same conversation our parents had about the pop music and their parents had about the pop music of the time..... Music changes and evolves. You don't have to like it but complaining about it accomplishes nothing. Support the artists you like, fuck the artists you don't. Just stop whining. You guys sound like my parent's parents parents grandparents. :smh:
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Yes it is but I think the drop off is much more signifigant in recent years than ever before. Going back artist and groups used to ALL have their own style and their own sound. Now music seems more cloned than anything.

Bring back the days when artist were encouraged to be original. The days when song lyrics meant something.

BTW HA, were not talking that long ago.
 
I know it's a rhetorical, but here's a rhetorical answer: It was a multi-step process.

1) It became THE MAINSTREAM form of music in most of the western world. I remember there was a time when people were saying it was going to come and go. But that was when Rock was king. I remember it was a time when you couldn't really hear our music in certain parts of the country.

2) It became a profitable thing. That happens to everything that people do out of love changes to what people do to make money.

3) A point came where you can't tell the difference in what you're listening to. It's hard to tell the difference between a R&B album and a Rap album because what's selling is a fucked up blend.

4) It's not that creative anymore. It's just not creative as it used to be.

I don't knock it, but it's become a mainstream art form.
 
Harlem's Angel said:
i wonder if you guys realize that this is the same conversation our parents had about the pop music and their parents had about the pop music of the time..... Music changes and evolves. You don't have to like it but complaining about it accomplishes nothing. Support the artists you like, fuck the artists you don't. Just stop whining. You guys sound like my parent's parents parents grandparents. :smh:
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And how would you know what conversations our parents had about POP music back then? :confused: Or you're just speculating? :confused: based on ... what exactly?

Weak Excuse FAIL.:hmm:


Besides, I was referring to was Rhythm & Blues, not Popp(ular) music ... in which case the argument would be redundant, hmmm? :rolleyes: :D :hmm: :hmm:
 
Robeson said:
Well, if ya'll don't start posting more pussy shots or talking more about your head techniques, this board may take a turn in a decidedly intellectual direction. We wouldn't want that now, would we.
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If you want to blabber about your so called intelligence in every post,why don't you go visit some other site?

Don't allow BGOL to decimate your high IQ.
 

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