You can't reason with idiots.
D.C. - Gun Ban Lifted By Supreme Court Today! (NYC Heads Take Notice)
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You can't reason with idiots.
Unfortunately we don't completely enforce the laws the way they should be in this country and that's where we end up with the imbalance...where the people who we try to prevent from having guns (criminals) end up getting their hands on them regardless...
Naw I got a hookup for almost half the retail price but I think he's going out of business last I heard of him.
Face what facts...conjecture...? Post stats like old boy did...there is some proof that if proper safety precautions are NOT taken and you have a child in the home then that increases the likelihood of an accident occurring but that is not the same as saying...oh because I have a gun I'm more likely to kill someone by accident...get your blleding heart the fukk outta here...having a gun doesn't automatically ensure my safety...chances are good that I will never need...but in the event that I do...I increase my chances of successfully defending myself...you know how it goes...better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it...that totally applies here...
Born and raised in S.E. never owned a gun.
I hope you are not serious about felons challenging their right to buy guns. If you are, rest assured that felons will not be allowed to buy guns.
Murders aren't going to decrease because citizens in dc will be allowed to own handguns, but they won't increase either. This is about dc residents having the same rights as the rest of the country. The fact is that citizens of dc have been denied constitutional rights because dc isn't a state. The dissenting judge argued that the second amendment doesn't apply to dc because its not a state. Luckily she was out voted and hopefully the supreme court won't agree with her.
We all knew that this law would be changed when all these white folks started moving into the city. Whether its racial or just no niggas ever challenged it in court is another story.
You can't reasonably compare countries with strict gun laws to a city. Especially when that city surrounded by other cities that do not have restrictive gun laws. You are ignoring the fact that these type of laws do not affect criminals! There has never been a time in dc where it was difficult to buy an illegal hand gun on the street. In countries where guns aren't imported, that is not likely to be the case.
Your store clerk wish doesn't make sense.
Where do you live?
so your solution is to increase the number of guns on the street good luck with that one
Stop putting fukkin words in my mouth...there is no overall solution to solving gun crimes...but this provides me with the option for a personal solution...a fair option that I deserve to have...just as you have the option to be a pussy and choose not to buy a gun...that is all those who legally own guns want...to maintain their right to have that option...
...what a fool...even crackheads are capable of "thinking one step ahead"...doesn't mean their thoughts have any basis...this is just foolish speculation man... I knew the law would change when enough white people got here.
Just like the schools.
Just like the schools.
Huh??glad to see your forming a well armed militia for the day prince charles becomes king and decides to send troops to your home
Try again, this time in English.
see, you were doing good until you started with this "the sky is falling logic". you sounding like those people who always attempt to connect porn with sexual assault, saying that people who watch smut are more inclined to act out what they are watching. thats bullshyt. admittedly, im not in love with the prospect of easier access to weapons in nyc but as people already said this directly impacts lawful gunowners primarily. shaleek from 211th st is gonna get his burner regardless
In the idealistic confines of his warped mind.
White folks moving back in to some ruff neighborhoods. Now the law changes for them to protect their homes that they are copping. It was a white dude that took it to court in the first place. The city was fucked up for a long time & now you can protect yourself. Lot of decent folks are gone. White folks move back and the law change. By the way, you can't buy a single beer on H street no more.
Looking at Obama's record, and the fact that he used to be an activist in Chicago *another gun ban city*, I would think he would be against this decision. Lets face it, Obama is a part of the radical left that opposes such rights.
and you sound confused as fuck. because its a domino effect first this then someone will challenge whether or not convicted felons are allowed to own guns.
A domino effect where convicted felons can own guns huhWake the fuck up. Plenty of convicted felons in DC already own guns. It's the law abiding citizens that couldn't.
the same cats are always the first to bitch about a government conspiracy trying to kill the black man then when something that makes people less safe occurs your dumbass jumps for joy. You think murders are going to decrease by increasing the number of guns. people who own guns legally are more likely to shoot a family member than an attacker
If you're interested in the facts - that study assumed that whenever anyone in a gun-owning home was killed by a gun, it was that gun that caused the harm. It also includes suicide.
theres a reason countries with strict gun laws have such a low murder rate no one can carry guns 1 + 1 = 2 you dont see a corelation between that
The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.
It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.
Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.
And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.
link: UK Handgun crime 'up' despite ban
UK handgun crimes have increased dramatically in the last 10+ years since the ban.
i cant wait for one of you dumbass who support this to walk into a store and then get shot by a clerk and the clerk claim self defense
My responses are in red. Honestly, if I woulda read the rest of your confused posts in this thread 1st, I wouldn't have wasted part of my lunch w/ a reply. I guess you're just trolling for an internet debate because nothing you stated made much sense at all.
cosign 100% but you know some of these dumb fucks cant understand that logic.
Good news. An armed populace is the only defense against tyranny. Get ya gun game up.
The term "armed millitia" wasnt what i had trouble discerning. It was the entire incoherant rant which included an excerpt about Prince Charles becoming king and bringing troops to my door. I also was befuddled as to what that tripe had to do with my post which merely said lifting a gun ban wont increase gun murders in the district.
You're a loon.
Show me where i said or insinutated that more guns equate to a safer community. Lets start there.
I'll be waiting.................forever.
Its been fun.
Criminals won't be allowed to legally purchase guns because the police powers of the state give the government the right to make laws that will protect the public. Convicted felons are seen as dangerous by the courts and will NEVER be allowed the right to buy guns. Do you know of any states in the US that allow felons to buy guns?
You misunderstand the court's ruling. It wasn't the supreme court either. They did not say that gun control laws were unconstitutional. They said that the citizens of DC are allowed the same constitutional rights that US citizens have. There will be regulations about the purchase of guns in dc just like everywhere else.
Nobody said that this ruling would reduce crime or violence. We are saying that it won't increase crime or violence. I don't like living unarmed. I was born and raised in dc and didn't like having to go around the law to protect my home and family. I always thought that it was bullshit that niggas that live half a mile from me could go to the store and get a gun, but I couldn't. You don't see the unfairness in that? I moved right across the line into MD and immediately copped a H&K 40 cal. I feel safer.
Don't be so quick to agree with me. You sound like one of those liberal gun control supporters.
You can show statistics that make you believe that I am more likely to kill a family member if you want, but i am confident that my folks are safe. I hope not to shoot anyone, but you betta believe that if someone violates my property, they will be greeted by some hot ones. I also enjoy shooting as a hobby. Its not just about protection. Its as much a sport as golf, pool and poker.
Remember that statistics can be manipulated and other factors can be at play that skew the stats. Like the one good point that you brought up about the rise in crime being at the same time that crack was hitting the streets.
I understand your argument that less guns would make us safer, but that would mean a gun ban nationwide. Limiting access to a small number of citizens in one or two cities does not reduce the number of guns on the street. It only makes law abiding citizens not be able to buy guns legally.
Someone can challenge the right of felons to carry guns all they want, but it will not work. The law is clear that people lose certain rights when they get convicted of felonies and violent crimes. A court will never rule that the govt cannot restrict gun ownership.
Regardless, it was established as a consitutional right that still exists. The threat of Emperial invasion no longer exists. The second amendment still stands. Again i ask, what the fuck does any of this have to do with my post which states that a gun ban lift will not increase gun murders in the district?
Just retreat pal.
that says something about the system.
Maybee, but it might just mean that the law hasn't been challenged. I know that shit is carried a lot differently now that they live in the city. You wouldn't believe the transformation in some neighborhoods and how the police presence has changed. That could also be that white folks are more likely to call the police when they see the same dude serving niggas on the block every day. Don't know.
Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The main goal of the constitution was to prevent an american monarchy or dictatorship or a government where the people are subject to anything the ruling party deems okay.
It had little to do with england itself, but had a lot to do with the prevention of the U.S having a social/political climate similar to englands.
Found a link to Obama's thought's on the ruling. Posted section below
Edited to add McCain's view
Sen. John McCain lauded the decision in a written statement, calling it a "landmark victory for Second Amendment freedom in the United States."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25390404/
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Posted June 26, 2008 12:17 PM
by Mike Dorning
Barack Obama moments ago made his first public comment on the 5-4 Supreme Court ruling striking down the District of Columbia's handgun ban. The candidate issued a highly guarded written statement that compliments the Court for "much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country" but provides little sense of the Democratic presidential candidate's own view of the ruling.
Gun control presents a delicate issue for Democratic presidential candidates as they head into a general election. The party's base of liberals and urban dwellers strongly supports gun control as a way to combat street crime. But rural swing voters, many of whom come from hunting traditions and may face long waits for a police response in an emergency situation, are often suspicious of erosion of Second Amendment gun rights.
Al Gore's close identification with gun control is generally considered to have played a significant role in his loss of several rural swing states in 2000.
Here is Obama's statement in full:
"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country.
"As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/obama_guarded_on_supreme_court.html
Edited to add McCain's view
Sen. John McCain lauded the decision in a written statement, calling it a "landmark victory for Second Amendment freedom in the United States."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25390404/
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Posted June 26, 2008 12:17 PM
by Mike Dorning
Barack Obama moments ago made his first public comment on the 5-4 Supreme Court ruling striking down the District of Columbia's handgun ban. The candidate issued a highly guarded written statement that compliments the Court for "much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country" but provides little sense of the Democratic presidential candidate's own view of the ruling.
Gun control presents a delicate issue for Democratic presidential candidates as they head into a general election. The party's base of liberals and urban dwellers strongly supports gun control as a way to combat street crime. But rural swing voters, many of whom come from hunting traditions and may face long waits for a police response in an emergency situation, are often suspicious of erosion of Second Amendment gun rights.
Al Gore's close identification with gun control is generally considered to have played a significant role in his loss of several rural swing states in 2000.
Here is Obama's statement in full:
"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country.
"As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/obama_guarded_on_supreme_court.html
LOL! You talk about reactionary thinking yet your entire presence here and definately every response to me is nothing BUT reactoinary knee-jerk bullshit that doesnt even address the post which you quote (MINE). Again, you blind fucktard, not once did i insinaute or state that lifting the ban would make the streets safer-you keep ignoring that fact. You seriously need to read what you quote before posting your canned responses you bleeding heart douche.
btw- No need to use other countries for comparitive purposes, espcially when there are countless variables which explain those statistics. If you really want an accurate assessment of the success a gun ban has had on decreasing violence in DC, simply look at the city in question and compare gun violence rates prior, during and post gun ban.
I support Obama but he's definitely anti guns. At least, he was in Chitown.
Then why doesn't Obama step up and say he's against the ruling. At least McCain states he is FOR the Supreme Court decision.
What's with that BS from Obama I just posted up above??