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tobe ginobili. i've been saying it for years.

take a look at the euro shot selection. spurs down by 2, tobe ginobili shoots a 3, tony parker front rims a 20 footer, and they hot potatoed bruce bowen. 3 consecutive possessions, TD didn't even get a look in the post.

then of course, the botched handoff between fabricio oberto (useless) and tobe ginobili.
 
Re: Spurs vs fakers

i dont care about that last call cause we all saw timmy fucking walk down the lane for that dunk like he was twinkle toes. refs needa step they officiating game up
 
much as the spurs cry about fouls, and all the fouls they DID get:hmm:..they gonna get crucified in LA on thursday.
 
Derrick Fisher is a Flop Artist who always is looking at the refs for a foul.


Kobe is a bitch nigga who dreams he makes out with Michael Jordan.


The Refs cheat for the lakers like the refs cheat for the Patriots. FUCK THE LAKERS. The biggest cry baby team in the NBA always looking for foul calls.
 
Word Up Son, Tell Em Niggaz Why U Madd Son, Word Up Tell Em Niggaz Why U Mad Son, Tell Em Why U Mad Son!
 
spinning the foul

or "WHY REGGIE MILLER and KENNY SMITH SUCK ASS as announcers".

this post is solely for the people who have seen the last play AND watched the following commentary by TNT analysts reggie miller and kenny smith. charles barkley's take will be discussed afterwards.

so let's establish some facts first.

robert horry inbounded the ball to brent barry.

brent barry raised the ball up (not really a ball fake) and derek fisher leapt at the ball.

brent barry attempts a SKATE DRIBBLE while derek fisher is IN THE AIR, and derek fisher lands ON TOP OF brent barry.

no call, game over, fakers lead series 3-1. fine.

post game, dunces reggie miller and kenny smith both agree that the contact WAS a foul, but blame the no-call on their belief that brent barry did not further "sell" the call.

objection #1: floppers sell calls. (see steve nash flailing arms after receiving hip check from robert horry; see sasha vujacic covering FACE with both hands after being struck in the shoulder and neck). reggie miller and kenny smith were both WRONG to suggest that the O player must/should "sell" a foul to an official. we should expect that officials are competent at their professions and call OBVIOUS fouls.

continuing, dunces reggie miller and kenny smith (in their eagerness to hear themselves talk), even with the benefit of replay both proved how nonsensical their "analysis" is.

objection #2: the pair of morons kept insisting that brent barry should have done something extra to entice/draw a 3 shot SHOOTING foul. apparently they've BOTH forgotten that there is such a thing as a non-SHOOTING foul. remember, derek fisher landed ON TOP OF brent barry while he was executing a SKATE DRIBBLE. whoTF is asking for a SHOOTING foul? people with functional eyes clearly saw a defensive non-SHOOTING foul.

charles barkley had his own take. he was bold and independent enough (though he partially agreed with the dunces) to relate that as a player, he preferred that the outcome of the game not rest in the hands of the officials. i completely respect that perspective, because he didn't attempt to excuse the no-call on an absence of flopping, like reggie miller or kenny smith did.

i haven't been to BGOL today, but i'm SURE there are at least a DOZEN idiots who have fully absorbed (and regurgitated) the last 12 hours of spin on the no-call. time will tell.
 
Re: spinning the foul

cranrab said:
or "WHY REGGIE MILLER and KENNY SMITH SUCK ASS as announcers".

this post is solely for the people who have seen the last play AND watched the following commentary by TNT analysts reggie miller and kenny smith. charles barkley's take will be discussed afterwards.

so let's establish some facts first.

robert horry inbounded the ball to brent barry.

brent barry raised the ball up (not really a ball fake) and derek fisher leapt at the ball.

brent barry attempts a SKATE DRIBBLE while derek fisher is IN THE AIR, and derek fisher lands ON TOP OF brent barry.

no call, game over, fakers lead series 3-1. fine.

post game, dunces reggie miller and kenny smith both agree that the contact WAS a foul, but blame the no-call on their belief that brent barry did not further "sell" the call.

objection #1: floppers sell calls. (see steve nash flailing arms after receiving hip check from robert horry; see sasha vujacic covering FACE with both hands after being struck in the shoulder and neck). reggie miller and kenny smith were both WRONG to suggest that the O player must/should "sell" a foul to an official. we should expect that officials are competent at their professions and call OBVIOUS fouls.

continuing, dunces reggie miller and kenny smith (in their eagerness to hear themselves talk), even with the benefit of replay both proved how nonsensical their "analysis" is.

objection #2: the pair of morons kept insisting that brent barry should have done something extra to entice/draw a 3 shot SHOOTING foul. apparently they've BOTH forgotten that there is such a thing as a non-SHOOTING foul. remember, derek fisher landed ON TOP OF brent barry while he was executing a SKATE DRIBBLE. whoTF is asking for a SHOOTING foul? people with functional eyes clearly saw a defensive non-SHOOTING foul.

charles barkley had his own take. he was bold and independent enough (though he partially agreed with the dunces) to relate that as a player, he preferred that the outcome of the game not rest in the hands of the officials. i completely respect that perspective, because he didn't attempt to excuse the no-call on an absence of flopping, like reggie miller or kenny smith did.

i haven't been to BGOL today, but i'm SURE there are at least a DOZEN idiots who have fully absorbed (and regurgitated) the last 12 hours of spin on the no-call. time will tell.
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That was a clear foul, it might not have been a shooting foul but it was still a foul. they can't spin it.Trust me they would have called it if Kobe or lebron was in the same situation. The fact is that he had the ball and Derek Fisher clearly hit him on the head/neck.. :lol::lol:. these announcers are just bumping their gums.
 
Re: spinning the foul

cranrab said:
or "WHY REGGIE MILLER and KENNY SMITH SUCK ASS as announcers".

this post is solely for the people who have seen the last play AND watched the following commentary by TNT analysts reggie miller and kenny smith. charles barkley's take will be discussed afterwards.

so let's establish some facts first.

robert horry inbounded the ball to brent barry.

brent barry raised the ball up (not really a ball fake) and derek fisher leapt at the ball.

brent barry attempts a SKATE DRIBBLE while derek fisher is IN THE AIR, and derek fisher lands ON TOP OF brent barry.

no call, game over, fakers lead series 3-1. fine.

post game, dunces reggie miller and kenny smith both agree that the contact WAS a foul, but blame the no-call on their belief that brent barry did not further "sell" the call.

objection #1: floppers sell calls. (see steve nash flailing arms after receiving hip check from robert horry; see sasha vujacic covering FACE with both hands after being struck in the shoulder and neck). reggie miller and kenny smith were both WRONG to suggest that the O player must/should "sell" a foul to an official. we should expect that officials are competent at their professions and call OBVIOUS fouls.

continuing, dunces reggie miller and kenny smith (in their eagerness to hear themselves talk), even with the benefit of replay both proved how nonsensical their "analysis" is.

objection #2: the pair of morons kept insisting that brent barry should have done something extra to entice/draw a 3 shot SHOOTING foul. apparently they've BOTH forgotten that there is such a thing as a non-SHOOTING foul. remember, derek fisher landed ON TOP OF brent barry while he was executing a SKATE DRIBBLE. whoTF is asking for a SHOOTING foul? people with functional eyes clearly saw a defensive non-SHOOTING foul.

charles barkley had his own take. he was bold and independent enough (though he partially agreed with the dunces) to relate that as a player, he preferred that the outcome of the game not rest in the hands of the officials. i completely respect that perspective, because he didn't attempt to excuse the no-call on an absence of flopping, like reggie miller or kenny smith did.

i haven't been to BGOL today, but i'm SURE there are at least a DOZEN idiots who have fully absorbed (and regurgitated) the last 12 hours of spin on the no-call. time will tell.
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Great analysis and I was saying the same thing watching the end. I know Reggie Miller is horrid but it was disappointing to see Kenny Smith encourage that Barry should have flopped to "sell" the blatant foul call at the end.

Another thing that was pissin' me off was that Barkley kept insisting that it would have been 3 FTA when the foul was CLEARLY on the floor, which would have resulted in 2 FTA. Barry was not in a shooting motion when Fisher jumped into him.

Barkley said he was happy that there was NO CALL there because he didn't want FT to decide the game, yet the most that could have happened was a TIE at the end of regulation.

The current state of commentary is as low as I can remember with the LYING and deceit that is going on. It's hard to believe that guys aren't being told what to say in their ear, because some of the stuff that they miss, even a blind man can see. :smh:
 
You guys are completely missing the point on what they are saying. By "selling" the foul, they mean "force" the ref to make that call, by jumping into the defender. Refs tend to swallow their whistles on the last plays of a game. (See Jordan's offensive foul on Russell or Pippen fouling KJ, last shot of that game)

If Kobe, Lebron or even if Billups had the ball, I guarantee those guys would have jumped right into the defender, forcing the refs to call a foul.
 
360KNOWLEDGE said:
You guys are completely missing the point on what they are saying. By "selling" the foul, they mean "force" the ref to make that call, by jumping into the defender. Refs tend to swallow their whistles on the last plays of a game. (See Jordan's offensive foul on Russell or Pippen fouling KJ, last shot of that game)

If Kobe, Lebron or even if Billups had the ball, I guarantee those guys would have jumped right into the defender, forcing the refs to call a foul.
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if he wanted to get the 3 point play, thats when he should have SOLD THE CALL.. this was clear foul and there was no need of selling it.. look how he hit him on the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6i34sVvzpQ
 
360KNOWLEDGE said:
Even Barry and Coach Pop, said they would not have called a foul in that situation.
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tim duncan, brent barry and coach popovich offered NO EXCUSES because they are gracious in winning AND in losing.

they know that they shouldn't have even been in that position (trailing) to begin with. from their perspective, they can not (correctly) lay the blame for the L on the officiating.
 
360KNOWLEDGE said:
You guys are completely missing the point on what they are saying. By "selling" the foul, they mean "force" the ref to make that call, by jumping into the defender.
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360K,

that is EXACTLY where reggie miller and kenny smith MISSED THE BOAT.

they both watched the play like the rest of us. brent barry WASN'T ATTEMPTING AN FGA, so why were those 2 IDIOTS suggesting that he should have made contact with the defender?

brent barry was executing a SKATE DRIBBLE to get an open look and was fouled on the dribble. for those 2 dimwits to foolishly believe their own bullshit, THE ENTIRE LAST PLAY WOULD HAVE TO BE REWRITTEN.

360KNOWLEDGE said:
Refs tend to swallow their whistles on the last plays of a game.
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no argument here. and in most cases, (as charles barkley indicated HIS preference) they SHOULD swallow their whistles. but some fouls are only too obvious and egregious.

last night's no call is like an NFL defensive back purposely tackling an intended receiver before he has any chance to catch a pass. maybe the receiver would have caught it, maybe he wouldn't have caught it. but we'll never know because the defender performed a prohibited act to disrupt the play.

similarly, given the chance, brent barry may have made a game winning 3, or he may have thrown up a brick. but everyone was denied those possibilities because derek fisher performed a prohibited act to disrupt the play.

BOO on convicted criminal joey crawford, SHAME on dunces reggie miller and kenny smith for their ignorant comments.

KUDOS to brent barry for owning craig sager in the locker room, calling him on his stupid ass "career defining game" remark.
 
cranrab said:
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no argument here. and in most cases, (as charles barkley indicated HIS preference) they SHOULD swallow their whistles. but some fouls are only too obvious and egregious.
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This is my problem with the non-call by the ref. Fisher literally jumped on top Barry causing so much contact that he couldn't even get a clean shot off. It was an obvious foul and should have been an obvious call. I can't even fathom why someone would claim that would have been a ref bailing out a player at the end of the game
 
too much going on over end of last game. both teams got calls their way... spurs had plenty of chances to go up. they can't finish games. refs have a hard job. i aint makin excuses for em but damn to put the whole series on one game when u know damn well lakers BEEN out playing spurs is a cop out....
 
Wednesday, May 28, 2008
League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled

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By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The league office on Wednesday reviewed the final play of the San Antonio Spurs' 93-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals and acknowledged that a two-shot foul should have been called on Derek Fisher for impeding Brent Barry.

After falling behind by seven points in the final minute, San Antonio sliced the deficit to two and regained possession with 2.1 seconds to play.

Barry then wound up with the ball in the center of the floor on a play called for Manu Ginobili and faked Fisher in the air but struggled to get off a 3-point heave at the buzzer after Fisher came down and bumped Barry.

"With the benefit of instant replay, it appears a foul call should have been made," league spokesman Tim Frank said Wednesday.

The miss sealed an L.A. victory that moved the Lakers into a commanding 3-1 series lead entering Thursday's Game 5 at Staples Center.

But the Spurs did not protest the non-call afterward, even though a foul called before the shot would have sent Barry to the line for two free throws and a chance to force overtime.

The non-call nonetheless generated more than the usual scrutiny because the closest referee to the play was Joey Crawford, with whom San Antonio has a contentious recent history.

"That play," Barry said, "was not where the game was lost."

The Spurs, in truth, wouldn't have had a chance to tie or win the game in the final two seconds if not for a fortuitous non-call on the previous possession.

Television replays indicated that Fisher's shot with 6.9 seconds to go grazed the rim before bouncing out of bounds off of Robert Horry's leg, meaning that the Lakers should have had a new shot clock instead of asking Kobe Bryant to hurry a fadeaway jumper after the ensuing timeout.

The new shot clock likely would have forced San Antonio to foul Bryant as opposed to getting the ball back off Bryant's miss to draw up a potential game-winning play.

"It wasn't a foul. ... I think it was a proper no-call from what I saw," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Fisher bumping Barry.

Added Spurs forward Tim Duncan: "You're not going to get that call. They're not going to make that call."

The Lakers were likewise adamant that no foul should have been called on Fisher, pointing at least in part to the fact that they didn't get a new shot clock on the Fisher miss -- and that Bryant didn't earn a single trip to the free-throw line despite attempting 29 shots from the field.

"Yeah, he bumped him," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said of Fisher landing on Barry. "You know, games go like that."
 
League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com


Updated: May 28, 2008, 9:52 PM ET

The league office on Wednesday reviewed the final play of the San Antonio Spurs' 93-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals and acknowledged that a two-shot foul should have been called on Derek Fisher for impeding Brent Barry.

After falling behind by seven points in the final minute, San Antonio sliced the deficit to two and regained possession with 2.1 seconds to play.

Barry then wound up with the ball in the center of the floor on a play called for Manu Ginobili and faked Fisher in the air but struggled to get off a 3-point heave at the buzzer after Fisher came down and bumped Barry.

"With the benefit of instant replay, it appears a foul call should have been made," league spokesman Tim Frank said Wednesday.

The miss sealed an L.A. victory that moved the Lakers into a commanding 3-1 series lead entering Thursday's Game 5 at Staples Center.

But the Spurs did not protest the non-call afterward, even though a foul called before the shot would have sent Barry to the line for two free throws and a chance to force overtime.

The non-call nonetheless generated more than the usual scrutiny because the closest referee to the play was Joey Crawford, with whom San Antonio has a contentious recent history.

"That play," Barry said, "was not where the game was lost."

The Spurs, in truth, wouldn't have had a chance to tie or win the game in the final two seconds if not for a fortuitous non-call on the previous possession.

Television replays indicated that Fisher's shot with 6.9 seconds to go grazed the rim before bouncing out of bounds off of Robert Horry's leg, meaning that the Lakers should have had a new shot clock instead of asking Kobe Bryant to hurry a fadeaway jumper after the ensuing timeout.

The new shot clock likely would have forced San Antonio to foul Bryant as opposed to getting the ball back off Bryant's miss to draw up a potential game-winning play.

"It wasn't a foul. ... I think it was a proper no-call from what I saw," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Fisher bumping Barry.

Added Spurs forward Tim Duncan: "You're not going to get that call. They're not going to make that call."

The Lakers were likewise adamant that no foul should have been called on Fisher, pointing at least in part to the fact that they didn't get a new shot clock on the Fisher miss -- and that Bryant didn't earn a single trip to the free-throw line despite attempting 29 shots from the field.

"Yeah, he bumped him," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said of Fisher landing on Barry. "You know, games go like that."

..this was bound to happen eventually.
 
more of same from the argentinians.

fabricio oberto was stinking up the joint, so kurt thomas came in and got busy.

tobe ginobili is still a walking turnover. poor ball handling and bad passing.
 
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Wow...that is like the 3rd game in this series where the Spurs couldn't finish a game off In two of them they had double digit leads...

The part that is interesting is that other than all the flopping Euros, the Spurs are similar to the Celtics.
 
eewwll said:
20 point lead in game 1.. 17 point lead in game 5... madness:smh::smh:
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..and they got back into game 4. Euros are getting exposed left and right this year, and with the new rule changes I can't see too many being dominant like that again. (Lakers squad being the exception.)
 
Rollie_Fingaz said:
..and they got back into game 4. Euros are getting exposed left and right this year, and with the new rule changes I can't see too many being dominant like that again. (Lakers squad being the exception.)
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they'll be exposed in the Finals. Match up wise, Celtics or Detroit will give them Headaches. Congratulations lakers for making the Finals.. I think this time the championship is going back to the Eastern conference.
 
blooo said:
they'll be exposed in the Finals. Match up wise, Celtics or Detroit will give them Headaches.
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don't be so sure.

my predictions are blown now (i had spurs v. celtics), but i think the fakers can win the NBA championship if they play the celtics.

IMO, 1st coach rivers is weak and inexperienced this far into the playoffs. 2nd, the celtics front court doesn't have the depth, length or experience of the fakers'.

i think tayshaun prince, rasheed wallace, jason maxiell, theo ratliff and antonio mcdyess could cope with the front court better.

but like i said, my playoffs predictions are already blown, so WTF do i know anyway?

:lol:
 

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