Opinions of Actinanass, Part 2: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

[actinanass]

Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

Last time I posted my opinions, I was describing how Obama could have a great four years. I explain that if the senate stayed republican, and the house stayed democratic, more than likely the republicans will work with Obama on issues like Gas, national security, and immigration. I also explain that Pelosi will be out to manipulate Obama *by default* to get what she want. I caught flak in here, but oh the fuck well....

Vol. 2

My concern now about Obama is that he has turned a little bit too sensitive. By all honesty, the "republican" attack machine hasn't even been turn on, yet he feels the heat. Plus, what is up with this "republican attack machine" bullshit? I find it funny when one candidate points out a flaw in someone's policy, points it out with out using any negative slur, yet he/she is attacking them. How about defending your statement with facts on how YOUR policy works? How about NOT bringing race into shit when someone challenges your stance on a certain issue? Is it that hard to go back at whoever without looking like a petty race baiter? That shit is beyond me..

Another thing, why do age got so much to do with this now? I swore that wisdom beats out intelligence 9 times out of 10. All the books in the world will not prepare you for life. Only someone with the right amount of wisdom can guide you through the ends and outs of life. So why is that Mccain's biggest flaw? The problem with Obama I have is that he is worried about how the world perceives us. I don't give a fuck about the other parts of the world. The ones who will stand true is the ones that has stand true since 1945. If we are successful as a country, we will have more allies, and more enemies. Look at this country, like you look at life. Do you honest to God think that you can actually be liked by EVERYONE? If so, how do you think its possible? So why not have someone thats old enough to not care about how our enemies look at us. I rather be respected, than liked anyday...

Finally, GAS!!!!

This shit is beyond me really how gas can keep on raising, and yet NO ONE is lobbying to drill more oil in places where we know we got more oil. Not to mention, you have people vowing to tax Oil companies....like thats going to work. BTW, OIL COMPANIES DO NOT PAY TAXES!!!! No corporation actually pay taxes in the general sense. Big business will always pass the buck on the consumer, and why not? Everyone wants to try to tax them anyway. To be honest, this gas problem should be solely on the backs of our dearest congress. However, how naive people are, they will blame Bush for EVERYTHING. Including the people on this board...

So what are ya'll going to do when the democrats finally turn on Obama? Its not a question of if because it will happen, trust me.

Mark this thread...for future notice...

 

[actinanass]

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no debating on this?

 

[Spectrum]

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Another thing, why do age got so much to do with this now? I swore that wisdom beats out intelligence 9 times out of 10. All the books in the world will not prepare you for life. Only someone with the right amount of wisdom can guide you through the ends and outs of life. So why is that Mccain's biggest flaw?

This post is so mangled with flawed logic I don't even know where to begin.

You make a lot of mistakes here.

One. How did you arrive at the supposition that age=wisdom. By what measure is McCain wise? How has he displayed wisdom? Please, with a substantive answer, extrapolative through either consistent policy or consistent rhetoric how McCain has exhibited the foresight of using collected knowledge and experience to executive above-rate decision making ability that produces consistent positive results..

Getting older does not presuppose one also becomes wiser.

How did you come to the conclusion that age is his "biggest" problem? It's one of them but not because of the number? Yes, he would be the oldest elected president, but that is not the issue. The problem is that he is not "healthy". McCain continues to battle a life-threatening illness....compound that with his age and also the rigorous schedule of a president (especially with the problems we have now), his durability is a serious question mark.

 

[Spectrum]

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The problem with Obama I have is that he is worried about how the world perceives us. I don't give a fuck about the other parts of the world.

Go read a book called "The World is Flat". Then revisit this reckless statement. I would also question if you've ever traveled extensively. I've lived in several different counties and live overseas now. In a world that is flat, foreign relationships become even more important. Our foreign policy (especially middle eastern policy) is the root of many of our problems.. not just economically. This is a big problem with arrogant, close-minded, an myopically-skewed American thinking... as if the rest of the world doesn't matter. Shameful really. But it fits right in with the rest of your post so I'm not surprised.

 

[Spectrum]

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. Not to mention, you have people vowing to tax Oil companies....like thats going to work. BTW, OIL COMPANIES DO NOT PAY TAXES!!!! No corporation actually pay taxes in the general sense.

Please be careful when puking your opinion as fast. Oil companies by taxes. The last sentence is just idiotic. Please get a basic understanding about taxation before you blurt out nonsense.

The Oil price issue is much more complex than you would even begin to imagine. Oil is finite commodity and there hasn't been a substantial find in decades that compares to the large wells in Saudi Arabia. The reality of the matter is that the reign of "cheap oil has ended"..further exploration is not going to solve the oil crisis...however, the relentless pursuit of alternative sources not dependent on fossil fuels is the future..i'm not going to even spend the time to give you an education on this... Do a search on some of my posts over the years if you want to get informed.

 

[Spectrum]

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How about NOT bringing race into shit when someone challenges your stance on a certain issue? Is it that hard to go back at whoever without looking like a petty race baiter? That shit is beyond me..

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You ability to logically deduce is seriously lacking. Common sense would tell someone Obama had nothing to gain by injecting race into this issue. He very deliberately avoided it. It only became an issue with the Clintons continuously "gaffed" in the media in oder to bring race into the forefront in order to marginalize Obama as the black candidate. Unfortunately for them, it did not work. And they weren't gaffes..not innocent ones.. Bill is too polished with the media to continuously make the types of statements he made leading up to S.C... and beyond. Get your "logic check" up.

 

[actinanass]

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This post is so mangled with flawed logic I don't even know where to begin.

You make a lot of mistakes here.

One. How did you arrive at the supposition that age=wisdom. By what measure is McCain wise? How has he displayed wisdom? Please, with a substantive answer, extrapolative through either consistent policy or consistent rhetoric how McCain has exhibited the foresight of using collected knowledge and experience to executive above-rate decision making ability that produces consistent positive results..

Getting older does not presuppose one also becomes wiser.

How did you come to the conclusion that age is his "biggest" problem? It's one of them but not because of the number? Yes, he would be the oldest elected president, but that is not the issue. The problem is that he is not "healthy". McCain continues to battle a life-threatening illness....compound that with his age and also the rigorous schedule of a president (especially with the problems we have now), his durability is a serious question mark.

Well, can you honestly say that Obama is wiser than McCain?

Go read a book called "The World is Flat". Then revisit this reckless statement. I would also question if you've ever traveled extensively. I've lived in several different counties and live overseas now. In a world that is flat, foreign relationships become even more important. Our foreign policy (especially middle eastern policy) is the root of many of our problems.. not just economically. This is a big problem with arrogant, close-minded, an myopically-skewed American thinking... as if the rest of the world doesn't matter. Shameful really. But it fits right in with the rest of your post so I'm not surprised.

Now, I'm not saying "don't talk to the world", but it does not serve us well if we do not take care ourselves first. Just like everyone says "its not our job to fight a war in Iraq", its not right to try to take care of EVERYONE. You can't have it both ways.

Please be careful when puking your opinion as fast. Oil companies by taxes. The last sentence is just idiotic. Please get a basic understanding about taxation before you blurt out nonsense.

The Oil price issue is much more complex than you would even begin to imagine. Oil is finite commodity and there hasn't been a substantial find in decades that compares to the large wells in Saudi Arabia. The reality of the matter is that the reign of "cheap oil has ended"..further exploration is not going to solve the oil crisis...however, the relentless pursuit of alternative sources not dependent on fossil fuels is the future..i'm not going to even spend the time to give you an education on this... Do a search on some of my posts over the years if you want to get informed.

First off, I understand the tax issue with oil, and it is true that corporations do not directly pay higher taxes in the normal sense. They pay taxes by making the prices higher for their product. Don't believe me, find me a broke CEO that hasn't been a part of any scandals.

Secondly, oil becomes cheaper when there's more of it, and its not controlled by one entity. Would a dope man charge higher prices, if he knows another dope man has the same product for cheaper?

Third, you really do not have to educate me about oil. I do understand that the government has a big hand in the oil business. I do understand that this global warming craze is dictating what politicians are lobbying for.

You ability to logically deduce is seriously lacking. Common sense would tell someone Obama had nothing to gain by injecting race into this issue. He very deliberately avoided it. It only became an issue with the Clintons continuously "gaffed" in the media in oder to bring race into the forefront in order to marginalize Obama as the black candidate. Unfortunately for them, it did not work. And they weren't gaffes..not innocent ones.. Bill is too polished with the media to continuously make the types of statements he made leading up to S.C... and beyond. Get your "logic check" up.

We all know that the Clintons put race in the debate. My beef is the fact that Obama is now using that against the republicans whenever they call him on an issue. To me, thats unacceptable. I wish he would stick to the issues, and understand the beast he is going against.

Right now, Obama is falling for the same trap Kerry got stuck with. When you fuck with the republicans on foreign policy, you will more than likely look weak and petty. If he would just stick to domestic issues that would actually work, he could take over this race hands down.

 

[Spectrum]

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Well, can you honestly say that Obama is wiser than McCain?

I don't play those types of game. Your supposition was that McCain is wise. I would like you to now support that claim.

Now, I'm not saying "don't talk to the world", but it does not serve us well if we do not take care ourselves first. Just like everyone says "its not our job to fight a war in Iraq", its not right to try to take care of EVERYONE. You can't have it both ways.

That's not your original supposition. You said " I don't give a fuck about what any other county thinks". Next time, express your point more clearly. It now seems as though you are backing off your original statement, and attempting to change the position

First off, I understand the tax issue with oil, and it is true that corporations do not directly pay higher taxes in the normal sense. They pay taxes by making the prices higher for their product. Don't believe me, find me a broke CEO that hasn't been a part of any scandals

Again, this is almost pointless. Read your original post. You said "oil companies don't pay taxes". What does "don't" mean to you? Do we need to have an argument about semantics? What the fuck are you talking about. "prices" don't affect taxes. Overall operating profits are taxes and they are wildly different entities. You don't know what you are talking about. You need to stop digging.

Secondly, oil becomes cheaper when there's more of it, and its not controlled by one entity. Would a dope man charge higher prices, if he knows another dope man has the same product for cheaper?

Like I told you before, the pricing of this particular commodity is so complex that only the uninformed would attempt to address is in such a simplistic manner. I've already told you that oil is finite. We've had no major oil discovers in over two decades. Demand (because of population growth and new industrialized countries like China and India) will continue to outstrip supply dramatically. There is speculation that we have already "peaked" in production in terms of world production.. much like the U.S. peaked in the 70... temporary supplies are someone controlled by a cartel (OPEC), but even the breakup of open would only create short term alleviation of supply chain demands.. would do nothing to effect the long term price of oil. The reality of the matter is that the cheap oil age is heading into it's last decades.. again..do some research.. my take you months just to begin to understand the complexities of the oil market

Third, you really do not have to educate me about oil. I do understand that the government has a big hand in the oil business. I do understand that this global warming craze is dictating what politicians are lobbying for.

Please read up about "peak oil".

We all know that the Clintons put race in the debate. My beef is the fact that Obama is now using that against the republicans whenever they call him on an issue. To me, thats unacceptable. I wish he would stick to the issues, and understand the beast he is going against.

Please provide a cite source where Obama has raised the issue of race with the GOP? I'll be waiting for it.

Right now, Obama is falling for the same trap Kerry got stuck with. When you fuck with the republicans on foreign policy, you will more than likely look weak and petty. If he would just stick to domestic issues that would actually work, he could take over this race hands down.

Obama is doing exactly the opposite by design. Kerry never responded to issues directly and swiftly. Thus he allowed the GOP to dictate the convo, set the tone, and then swiftboat him. Obama is addressing any issues immediately as to not allow the GOP to tell a lie repeatedly enough so that it begins to ring true. I find it ironic that you are coming to the "opposite and wrong conclusion every time". Obama said months ago that he would deal with the GOP in a different manner because of how they delegitimized Kerry.

 

[actinanass]

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I don't play those types of game. Your supposition was that McCain is wise. I would like you to now support that claim.




That's not your original supposition. You said " I don't give a fuck about what any other county thinks". Next time, express your point more clearly. It now seems as though you are backing off your original statement, and attempting to change the position




Again, this is almost pointless. Read your original post. You said "oil companies don't pay taxes". What does "don't" mean to you? Do we need to have an argument about semantics? What the fuck are you talking about. "prices" don't affect taxes. Overall operating profits are taxes and they are wildly different entities. You don't know what you are talking about. You need to stop digging.

Secondly, oil becomes cheaper when there's more of it, and its not controlled by one entity. Would a dope man charge higher prices, if he knows another dope man has the same product for cheaper?

Like I told you before, the pricing of this particular commodity is so complex that only the uninformed would attempt to address is in such a simplistic manner. I've already told you that oil is finite. We've had no major oil discovers in over two decades. Demand (because of population growth and new industrialized countries like China and India) will continue to outstrip supply dramatically. There is speculation that we have already "peaked" in production in terms of world production.. much like the U.S. peaked in the 70... temporary supplies are someone controlled by a cartel (OPEC), but even the breakup of open would only create short term alleviation of supply chain demands.. would do nothing to effect the long term price of oil. The reality of the matter is that the cheap oil age is heading into it's last decades.. again..do some research.. my take you months just to begin to understand the complexities of the oil market




Please read up about "peak oil".





Please provide a cite source where Obama has raised the issue of race with the GOP? I'll be waiting for it.



Obama is doing exactly the opposite by design. Kerry never responded to issues directly and swiftly. Thus he allowed the GOP to dictate the convo, set the tone, and then swiftboat him. Obama is addressing any issues immediately as to not allow the GOP to tell a lie repeatedly enough so that it begins to ring true. I find it ironic that you are coming to the "opposite and wrong conclusion every time". Obama said months ago that he would deal with the GOP in a different manner because of how they delegitimized Kerry.

1. With Obama's actions back during the fall of 2007 *referring to him admitting that he would allow operations in Pakistan to catch Bin Laden*. That wasn't a wise move on his part. The Reverend Wright situation *Mccain was a member of a radical church, yet he distance himself away from the radical views*. McCains understanding about foreign policy *meaning you can not directly talk to governments that vow to destroy your allies*. Mccain's overall experience in the senate. Name ONE bill Obama has worked with EVERYONE on *meaning both parties*. Should I go on?

2. I originally meant when it comes to our defense, and economy, I care about this country way more than I care about anywhere else in the world. If we aren't liked because we are taking care of ourselves first, then fuck the rest of the world. Some countries just don't like us because we won't cater to them. I do not believe in making friends on other nation's terms.

3. Name one corporation that has went under due to high taxes *without being bought out*. Find me one, and my argument would be dismissed.

4. Aren't they making commercials about finding oil in South Dakota? Matter of a fact, I bet you didn't know that in parts of Texas, they are leasing people land for OIL exploration. Not to mention, we have not built a refinery in 30 years.

5. My apologies, parts of the media are playing the race card for Obama. I was kinda pissed that Obama isn't distancing himself away from that bullshit. However, he is still being sensitive over stuff Bush says. I know its politics, but it does make him seem weak.

6. Obama needs to stay on the economy, and gas. Kerry stayed on Iraq too long, thus, he was defeated. You can not beat a republican on foreign policy. Thats the one thing they are good at...

7. Again, find me one bill that Obama has worked with the GOP EVER.

 

[Spectrum]

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1. With Obama's actions back during the fall of 2007 *referring to him admitting that he would allow operations in Pakistan to catch Bin Laden*. That wasn't a wise move on his part. The Reverend Wright situation *Mccain was a member of a radical church, yet he distance himself away from the radical views*. McCains understanding about foreign policy *meaning you can not directly talk to governments that vow to destroy your allies*. Mccain's overall experience in the senate. Name ONE bill Obama has worked with EVERYONE on *meaning both parties*. Should I go on?

I love the backpeddling. As opposed to addressing your initial false premises, you've tried to create new ones.

McCain accepted the endorsement of his pastor and continues to do so. He knows the sentiment will not be as negative because white america fears a "black militant" message more than anything. The reality of the matter is that Obama is going to be held to a higher standard because of his race. There is no way around it. Black Liberation Theology, though completely misunderstood by the mass population, scares people because of the way it's attacked and misconstrued.

What exactly is McCain's foreign policy experience? Do a search on my threads started here. I have one titled "the myth of McCain's foreign policy experience". He has no foreign policy experience. It's a myth.

If your too got-damn lazy to look up Obama's legislation experience, I'm not going to post it for you. Just because you haven't done the research, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've probably bought the rhetoric of no policy- just hope...and you've probably never taken the time to read up on Obama's policies.

3. Name one corporation that has went under due to high taxes *without being bought out*. Find me one, and my argument would be dismissed.

You're shockingly ignorant.

1. What does this have to do with your initial premise
2. Even if it did, what would your point be.
3. You should look up the world "logical fallacies". Your posts are littered with them.

You have a serious problem with logic. You don't logically construct arguments. It's like a wreck in motion.

4. Aren't they making commercials about finding oil in South Dakota? Matter of a fact, I bet you didn't know that in parts of Texas, they are leasing people land for OIL exploration. Not to mention, we have not built a refinery in 30 years.

The U.S. peaked in oil production 30 years ago. We've long tapped our oil ability to produce cheap oil. The deposits don't exist the ability to extra shale deposits is still prohibitively expensive. That is why you're read the stories about the billions of untapped shales in Canada. The issue is the ability to extract oil "cheaply".

You don't know what you are talking about man. Just shut the hell up. Do some research about this market... you sound like a damn idiot talking about internal U.S. oil production as some type of savior. You can't pump oil that isn't there.

 

[Spectrum]

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Before you make another post about OIL. Do some searches on google for U.S. Oil production, Oil peak oil, etc. read some reports. You are speaking from a position of massive ignorance on this subject. I feel like I'm arguing with someone about software programming and they won't even know what object oriented programming is. You need to learn the basics man. I'm not trying to insult you either. I'm going to refrain from using the emoticons. But you really have no idea of what you are talking about.

 

[QueEx]

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When are we going to get Volume ? ? ?

QueEx

 

[actinanass]

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When are we going to get Volume ? ? ?

QueEx

I'm reading up on certain shit. Plus, I'm giving Obama the benefit of a doubt right now. Now if shit really hits the fan around May/June, it will no longer be Bush's economy/foreign policy.

Honestly, if Obama's smart, he would do a lot what Bush did concerning the economy, and foreign policy. Think about it, the stock market was at record levels under Bush, and when the last time we heard a bad report out of Iraq? The problem with Bush is that he couldn't communicate his ideas well. One thing about Americans, we are, by nature, shallow. If a person cannot communicate well, we will presume that the person is unintelligent. Obama is a master communicator. So, to be honest, if I was Obama, I would do as much like Bush as I can. I mean, who really going to complain if things are going well? Thanks to Bush, Obama very well could be the most powerful president in history.

In return, history will look at these two administrations with either admiration, or disappointment.

BTW, I would think it would be fair to, at least, acknowledge some of Bush accomplishments. Like the fact that there hasn't been anymore attacks on our land, and the fact that the stock market/economy reached records during his time in office. I understand that we all have different opinions when it comes to how he got in office in 2000, and the war in Iraq. However, he did offer us the greatness of Colin Powell, and Condi Rice. Moves that later open the door for Obama. Some could even complain about how Katrina was, however, can anyone tell me he didn't hook up the victims of that tragedy? Some may even say that Bush was the reason that oil prices rose to record prices, but can anyone explain how it went down so fast? I believe that Bush's biggest mistake as president was that he tried to be friends with hungry wolves that would do anything to discredit his every move. When you try to be everyone friend, you become everyone's enemy.

One thing that is true, Bush did keep his word when he said that there wouldn't be ANYMORE attacks in the United States. No matter what's your belief in how 9-11 actually happened, you cannot debate this fact....

 

[Lamarr]

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Wish I caught this thread from the beginning. Well, I think Mr. Obama will do as Bush has been doing.

1. Reward banks for irresponsible practices
2. Escalate this phony war on Terror, possibly into Pakistan
3. Continue taking our rights (Bush took the 4th, Obama will take the 2nd, or try to!)
4. Unconditionally support Israel
5. Refuse to audit the Federal Reserve
6. Give out tax cuts in a time of War (economic lunacy)
7. Continue to spend more money than we have. This just results in more printing of money, thereby devaluing the money that is already in circulation (the true definition of inflation).

Our politicians continue to mistake the disease for the cure. We got into this mess because the Federal Reserve kept interest rates too low. Easy money and easy credit were attainable but now that we can't pay the bills that are due, they want to extend more money & more credit. Its the equivalent of throwing gasoline on a fire!

 

[actinanass]

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Wish I caught this thread from the beginning. Well, I think Mr. Obama will do as Bush has been doing.

1. Reward banks for irresponsible practices
2. Escalate this phony war on Terror, possibly into Pakistan
3. Continue taking our rights (Bush took the 4th, Obama will take the 2nd, or try to!)
4. Unconditionally support Israel
5. Refuse to audit the Federal Reserve
6. Give out tax cuts in a time of War (economic lunacy)
7. Continue to spend more money than we have. This just results in more printing of money, thereby devaluing the money that is already in circulation (the true definition of inflation).

Our politicians continue to mistake the disease for the cure. We got into this mess because the Federal Reserve kept interest rates too low. Easy money and easy credit were attainable but now that we can't pay the bills that are due, they want to extend more money & more credit. Its the equivalent of throwing gasoline on a fire!

So would you say that the solution is to do nothing at all in regards to the economy?

 

[Lamarr]

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So would you say that the solution is to do nothing at all in regards to the economy?

Hasn't the govt done enough already?

I'd say this, the country became great because of what the people did - NOT what the govt did! We became the wealthiest nation on the planet through manufacturing and saving. Now, we are the most indebted because of borrowing and consumption. Our politicians need to put its trust in the people AND enforce fraud laws, thats all this housing bubble was (one fraud after another). The People should run the economy, not a politician.

Look, the govt cannot create wealth: they can only confiscate it through taxes, interest on the debt, and inflation!

 

[actinanass]

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Hasn't the govt done enough already?

I'd say this, the country became great because of what the people did - NOT what the govt did! We became the wealthiest nation on the planet through manufacturing and saving. Now, we are the most indebted because of borrowing and consumption. Our politicians need to put its trust in the people AND enforce fraud laws, thats all this housing bubble was (one fraud after another). The People should run the economy, not a politician.

Look, the govt cannot create wealth: they can only confiscate it through taxes, interest on the debt, and inflation!

So you're a fiscal conservative then...right?

Nothing wrong with that.....

 

[Lamarr]

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So you're a fiscal conservative then...right?

Nothing wrong with that.....

well, I prefer not to identify myself with titles but just for the record: I want peace, I can't justify oppressing the brown people just so the Zionists get rich. I can't justify imposing democracy at the barrel of a gun. I can't justify the War on Drugs because the young black male does most of the suffering, We need to change the way we fight it! Na, I don't smoke nor drink. I just love women, thats why I'm here! So I don't know if these are 'conservative' principles or not but we ARE spending too much money trying to control society.

And NO, I couldn't justify supporting McCain

 

[thoughtone]

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no debating on this?

He's like the 4 year old that actinanass to get attention. You have no credibility. Stop posting.

This post is so mangled with flawed logic I don't even know where to begin.

I see I'm not the only one that notices.

 

[actinanass]

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well, I prefer not to identify myself with titles but just for the record: I want peace, I can't justify oppressing the brown people just so the Zionists get rich. I can't justify imposing democracy at the barrel of a gun. I can't justify the War on Drugs because the young black male does most of the suffering, We need to change the way we fight it! Na, I don't smoke nor drink. I just love women, thats why I'm here! So I don't know if these are 'conservative' principles or not but we ARE spending too much money trying to control society.

And NO, I couldn't justify supporting McCain

it seems like your in a catch 22.

For one, there will always be some kinda of oppression. There will always be a group protesting another group. The only true peace one could have is when he meets his maker. Conflict is natural instinct in ALL of god's creatures. Remember this, without friction/conflict there will be NO growth in other areas *like the want for peace*.

Secondly, it sounds like you're scared to admit that you do agree with some of the people you oppose. *Thus why the "I don't want to be labeled" comment came up* Maybe you need to reevaluate how you look at things like I did 7 years ago.

Third, in reality, the ones you call Zionist want the same things YOU want. Have you ever thought that we might need to look at how we are responding to our "oppressors"? You can't want peace when you support someone who rather kill the "zionists"....

 

[actinanass]

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He's like the 4 year old that actinanass to get attention. You have no credibility. Stop posting.



I see I'm not the only one that notices.

oh wait, the only way I have credibility in your book is if I post something YOU agree with?

no I won't quit posting because you say I need too... BTW, my congresswoman is Kay Granger *from the other post that I forgot to answer you on*

BTW, since you say I'm only doing this for "attention", why is it that I rarely post anything on here? I mean dude, wouldn't I *if this was the case* post more "right wing" articles if I was trying to be an "attention whore".

Back to the credibility thing, I guess I do not have credibility because I admit that I'm conservative in many areas. The fact that I'm not going with the status quo bothers you. Honestly, who is really the house ****** in this situation THOUGHT? You follow, I escape. House nigga's don't leave, they wait until someone give them a little bit of power so they can talk down on the other niggas.

So, yes my credibility of being a house nigga is gone. Thanx for pointing that out....

 

[Lamarr]

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I don't like labels because over the last 7 years Karl Rove has done a great job at RE-DEFINING the term 'conservative'. There is NOTHING conservative about 'W'.

Tell me what is conservative about spending unlimited amounts of money lookin for a couple guys in a cave? Tell me what is conservative about bailing out banks that made jacked up decisions? What is conservative about giving Israel $30 billion a year in aid? Bush is a National Socialist (Nazi). Limbaugh, Rove, Hannity got people twisted or Neo-conned!

Here's your proof, in 2000, Bush campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no policing of the world, and no nation-building. THAT IS CONSERVATIVE. not the crap thats goin on now.

So thats why I stay away from labels because of a distorted reality during the last 7 years. I know the definition of 'conservative'

 

[actinanass]

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I don't like labels because over the last 7 years Karl Rove has done a great job at RE-DEFINING the term 'conservative'. There is NOTHING conservative about 'W'.

Tell me what is conservative about spending unlimited amounts of money lookin for a couple guys in a cave? Tell me what is conservative about bailing out banks that made jacked up decisions? What is conservative about giving Israel $30 billion a year in aid? Bush is a National Socialist (Nazi). Limbaugh, Rove, Hannity got people twisted or Neo-conned!

Here's your proof, in 2000, Bush campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no policing of the world, and no nation-building. THAT IS CONSERVATIVE. not the crap thats goin on now.

So thats why I stay away from labels because of a distorted reality during the last 7 years. I know the definition of 'conservative'

I agree with you on some of the issues you do state. However, being a fiscal conservative do not mean that you have to agree with EVERYTHING that some conservatives say. For one, I do not have a problem with what they did in Iraq, or Afghanistan because I see no other way of actually achieving our goal in catching Bin Laden/destroying Al Queda. However, I do have a problem with the current bailouts. I do understand why Bush felt that he had to sign on to this, however, I do not agree with it.

The only reason I truly supported going into Iraq was truly on the big picture. What if Iraq modernize their political system, and become another key ally in the middle east? While the reason we went in might be sketchy at best, you have to ask yourself the following questions. From Obama's end, he cannot make any move with Iraq without really thinking about the future. This is why I feel confident that Iraq will not change unless something extraordinary happens in the long run.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

oh wait, the only way I have credibility in your book is if I post something YOU agree with?

no I won't quit posting because you say I need too...

BTW, my congresswoman is Kay Granger *from the other post that I forgot to answer you on*

How long did it take you to look that up. Are old enough to vote, do you even vote on a regular basis, are you even Black?

BTW, since you say I'm only doing this for "attention", why is it that I rarely post anything on here? I mean dude, wouldn't I *if this was the case* post more "right wing" articles if I was trying to be an "attention whore".

Back to the credibility thing, I guess I do not have credibility because I admit that I'm conservative in many areas.

The fact that I'm not going with the status quo bothers you. Honestly, who is really the house ****** in this situation THOUGHT? You follow, I escape. House nigga's don't leave, they wait until someone give them a little bit of power so they can talk down on the other niggas.

So, yes my credibility of being a house nigga is gone. Thanx for pointing that out....

As usually, when a so called conservative is backed in to a corner argumentatively, they just play the race card. Typical wing nut.

Your credibility sucks because just as with all ideologists, right or left, facts mean nothing to you. You bend reality in order to fit your perception of what someone told you it should be.

 

[actinanass]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

How long did it take you to look that up. Are old enough to vote, do you even vote on a regular basis, are you even Black?



As usually, when a so called conservative is backed in to a corner argumentatively, they just play the race card. Typical wing nut.

Your credibility sucks because just as with all ideologists, right or left, facts mean nothing to you. You bend reality in order to fit your perception of what someone told you it should be.

1. I just realized that I didn't answer your question a while back. I knew the answer, but something else caught my attention at the time.


2. For one, I'm not an ideologue by any means. An ideologists will follow someone through thick, and thin. There's some issues I do not agree with on both sides, however, I have more beef with so-called democrats because majority of my race is falling for the bullshit just like you are. In my belief, Black America is dealing with an identity crisis. We *black america* wants to go to church, become successful, live respectable lives. Yet, we run to the alter of liberalism, while mainstream liberalism basically scoffs at the values majority of Black America holds dear. Only because one party tells us *black America* what we want to hear. I'm sorry that you are too shallow to understand where I'm coming from. I'm tired of MY people being on the bottom only because we rather receive a handout instead of establishing something much more greater. While you are happy with Obama, I would rather see TWO black candidates on both sides of the aisle. I would love to see the day that everyone can joke about race without getting their feelings hurt. The day that we can just be Americans, not African Americans. Yet, I'm an ideologist because I want such things. Well I guess I am an ideologue then.

BTW, I take it that the house nigga comment got ya.... To be honest dude, I'm very independent with my thinking. I just choose to be the devil's advocate because its too much of the same on this board.

Another thing, last time I checked, this was an OPINION thread. I could post articles/charts/historical records if you like. I just thought I could post something that I can just speak my mind.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

1. I just realized that I didn't answer your question a while back. I knew the answer, but something else caught my attention at the time.


2. For one, I'm not an ideologue by any means. An ideologists will follow someone through thick, and thin. There's some issues I do not agree with on both sides, however, I have more beef with so-called democrats because majority of my race is falling for the bullshit just like you are. In my belief, Black America is dealing with an identity crisis. We *black america* wants to go to church, become successful, live respectable lives. Yet, we run to the alter of liberalism, while mainstream liberalism basically scoffs at the values majority of Black America holds dear. Only because one party tells us *black America* what we want to hear. I'm sorry that you are too shallow to understand where I'm coming from. I'm tired of MY people being on the bottom only because we rather receive a handout instead of establishing something much more greater. While you are happy with Obama, I would rather see TWO black candidates on both sides of the aisle. I would love to see the day that everyone can joke about race without getting their feelings hurt. The day that we can just be Americans, not African Americans. Yet, I'm an ideologist because I want such things. Well I guess I am an ideologue then.

BTW, I take it that the house nigga comment got ya.... To be honest dude, I'm very independent with my thinking. I just choose to be the devil's advocate because its too much of the same on this board.

Another thing, last time I checked, this was an OPINION thread. I could post articles/charts/historical records if you like. I just thought I could post something that I can just speak my mind.

For one, I'm not an ideologue by any means. An ideologists will follow someone through thick, and thin.

That is not what an ideologist is. I would suggest that you look up the definition of an ideologist, then I can continue having a substantive back and forth with you.

...and yet you still choose to fall back on the race card without arguing against the bankruptcy of the so called conservative point of view. I understand, today's times prove it's failings.

I would love to see the day that everyone can joke about race without getting their feelings hurt.

I actually feel sorry for you. Falling in to the European supremacist mentality of "joking" about race. If you don't recognize this as self hate (if you are "Black") then there is little hope for you.

 

[bigbrooks]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

People it is time to get off partisan politics. Barack Obama is going to have eight great years because he knows how to get everybody together.

 

[actinanass]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

People it is time to get off partisan politics. Barack Obama is going to have eight great years because he knows how to get everybody together.

im good with Obama.

I just like messing with the ultra radical wing of BGOL...

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

People it is time to get off partisan politics. Barack Obama is going to have eight great years because he knows how to get everybody together.

You can blame the so called conservatives for the politics of labels. Who is more closely linked with calling people "liberal" and making that term negative. Who has coined the the phrase "commie liberal? The republican party even labeled their own "radial republicans" during the early days of the civil war when Thaddeus Stevens, Charles Sumner and John C. Frémont were labeled radial due to their opposition to slavery. My how far has the GOP strayed from that ethos.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

im good with Obama.

I just like messing with the ultra radical wing of BGOL...

It would appear that you are part of the so called "ultra radical wing of BGOL," since clearly the majority of members of BGOL are very much apposed to the conservative/Republican point of view that was so soundly rejected in the 2009 general election. You are not in the mainstream of thinking of BGOL.

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

It would appear that you are part of the so called "ultra radical wing of BGOL," since clearly the majority of members of BGOL are very much apposed to the conservative/Republican point of view that was so soundly rejected in the 2009 general election. You are not in the mainstream of thinking of BGOL.

Bush is not a 'conservative'! Bush is a National Socialist (Nazi), determined to advance the American Empire similar to what Hitler did for Germany. AND Obama will continue this policy, he's just a different face. I say this because global governance is the goal of those who have hijacked our political landscape, on both sides!

A 'conservative' doesn't reward irresponsible behavior, ie. bailing out banks that made terrible decisions. You let them die and a new, more effective business-model will replace it. Bush is NOT a 'conservative'. Ya'll kill me with that shit!

 

[QueEx]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

Bush is not a 'conservative'! Bush is a National Socialist (Nazi), determined to advance the American Empire similar to what Hitler did for Germany. AND Obama will continue this policy, he's just a different face. I say this because global governance is the goal of those who have hijacked our political landscape, on both sides!

A 'conservative' doesn't reward irresponsible behavior, ie. bailing out banks that made terrible decisions. You let them die and a new, more effective business-model will replace it. Bush is NOT a 'conservative'. Ya'll kill me with that shit!

Okay, so you have advanced the theories in this thread in several of your posts and you have done so without offering the evidence to support your position. Perhaps, its time that you start a new thread dedicated solely to your premise and, this time, lay out the underpinnings. Its a fitting topic for debate/discussion -- but set it out in detail, in your own words.

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

Bush is not a 'conservative'! Bush is a National Socialist (Nazi), determined to advance the American Empire similar to what Hitler did for Germany. AND Obama will continue this policy, he's just a different face. I say this because global governance is the goal of those who have hijacked our political landscape, on both sides!

A 'conservative' doesn't reward irresponsible behavior, ie. bailing out banks that made terrible decisions. You let them die and a new, more effective business-model will replace it. Bush is NOT a 'conservative'. Ya'll kill me with that shit!

GW ran as a "compassionate conservative" (an oxymoron in itself), governed as a conservative, re-ran as a conservative and to this day calls himself a conservative. Now that those conservative policies have been shown to be a colossal failure, the revisionism is in full force. Again those on the the right have been use to throwing labels around, towing the party lines and not think fore yourselves are now victims of your own tactics.

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

GW ran as a "compassionate conservative" (an oxymoron in itself), governed as a conservative, re-ran as a conservative and to this day calls himself a conservative. Now that those conservative policies have been shown to be a colossal failure, the revisionism is in full force. Again those on the the right have been use to throwing labels around, towing the party lines and not think fore yourselves are now victims of your own tactics.

You're missing the point, too much CNN or FoxNews or somethin'. Free your mind and you will see that 'W' tripled the size of govt, spent too much money on a war searchin for somebody hidin' in a cave, promoted the welfare state, and imposed interventionist tactics in Iraq. True, he ran on: Don't police the world, no nation building and a humble foreign policy. What we got is the exact opposite!

Conservatism in the US has meant the support of small govt, balanced budgets, fiscal prudence and great skepticism about overseas adventures! That is what we need. We need more trust in the hands of the people to run the economy. Ultimately, we need govt to stop spending money they don't have!

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

You're missing the point, too much CNN or FoxNews or somethin'. Free your mind and you will see that 'W' tripled the size of govt, spent too much money on a war searchin for somebody hidin' in a cave, promoted the welfare state, and imposed interventionist tactics in Iraq. True, he ran on: Don't police the world, no nation building and a humble foreign policy. What we got is the exact opposite!

Conservatism in the US has meant the support of small govt, balanced budgets, fiscal prudence and great skepticism about overseas adventures! That is what we need. We need more trust in the hands of the people to run the economy. Ultimately, we need govt to stop spending money they don't have!

It took about 225 years for the US to create a 1 trillion dollar debt. It took Reagan and GHW Bush 12 years to have 3 trillion dollar debt. Were they conservatives? Conservatism never meant fiscal thriftiness. Conservation means jingoistic military bullying, racism and preservation of the wealthy class. Name a conservative politician that has ever had the interest of the ENTIRE nation at heart?