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Do you believe "Evil People" rule the world?
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Bankers and Financiers. Certain secret societies.
I would say they are evil as we know it. I would call them the dogmatist. People who have a different value system from everyone else. A thread on the main about the ancient kemetians touches on this. The Egyptians invented dogma and ideology, as other societies adopted the pratice they had their ruling classes. Every american president can trace his family back to ruling class in europe. I am willing to bet every race has a class of people who can trace their family back to the original rulers.
i'm talking in The Big Picture. (Every aspect)
Yes.
the drizzy mentioned financiers and bankers. i didn't...
every man is capable of evil, and good alike.
Remember the Yin and the Yang.
You can find anyone this board will absolutely believe is evil, but to some they meant for good. The problem with people today, they do not understand that there are necessary evils one must commit for the overall good. These should be the last ditch efforts though.
BTW, how could some of our colleagues call America evil when we are not force to do anything except take care of ourselves? Have every race succeeded in some sort of way in OUR country? Do we force religion, politics, law, unto our citizens? Even when the CIA did bring dope here, we had the choice to sell it to our own or not. The true question is this, who are the truly evil ones, the one that offers the opportunity of evil, or the one who commits it?
Remember the Yin and the Yang.
You can find anyone this board will absolutely believe is evil, but to some they meant for good. The problem with people today, they do not understand that there are necessary evils one must commit for the overall good. These should be the last ditch efforts though.
BTW, how could some of our colleagues call America evil when we are not force to do anything except take care of ourselves? Have every race succeeded in some sort of way in OUR country? Do we force religion, politics, law, unto our citizens? Even when the CIA did bring dope here, we had the choice to sell it to our own or not. The true question is this, who are the truly evil ones, the one that offers the opportunity of evil, or the one who commits it?
I like to believe theres a balance. No one side total controls the other. But I been wrong before.............
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In a sense yeah. Good and Evil are real forces but the way they are interpeted is debateable. For instance Stalin killed 20 million of his own people but many believed it was necessary to save the country. So good and evil is a matter of opinion in many cases. But like I said they do exist and most people in the ruling class could be considered evil.
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Necessary evils...ha ha ha
Propose to sublime any effort, you take subscription into and push until a positive response results, good will prevail, lay not blame on the mechanism of survival but rather the means to conviction...
Yeah i was talking more about "Everyday People" not DICTATORS!
Stalin & Hitler both are evil with reasons.
Rather "The Reason" justifies killing 20 million people.
who knows.
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They hide the secrets in our face via corporations and their Masonic symbolism.. making us all unwilling participants...!
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Hegemony-The processes by which a dominant culture maintains its dominant position: for example, the use of institutions to formalize power; the employment of a bureaucracy to make power seem abstract (and, therefore, not attached to any one individual); the inculcation of the populace in the ideals of the hegomonic group through education, advertising, publication, etc.; the mobilization of a police force as well as military personnel to subdue opposition.
The Devil's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.
The Devil's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.
I think I really hate it when people cite videos to make their point. Not that its necessarily a bad practice, but it just leaves me to figure out which part of the video is offered to support the particular point and the fact that I have to wait through the video, or in the case several videos, to get to the point -- if there is even a point.
Maybe I just prefer that people state their point or, if they are going to use videos or other forms of the words and actions of other, at least cite those specific words/actions.
QueEx
The Reason why I cite vidz.. is because the answer is one of a multitude of complexity's..! There is no "one" man or persons they are all intertwined..! The Gov't, corporations, the wealthy elite, etc..! They are the one puling the strings, calling the shots, making and remaking the Laws, Hiding the Truth, Brainwashing Humanity... all while pursuing their hidden agenda..!! The Vids show pieces of the world wide puzzel..!
I ask you, do you think that there is no "evil" in this world..? Do you see/ think there is nothing suspicious about associations of certain world leaders..? Bail outs for certain corporations..? The Links and Lineage between our "elected" officials..? The Masonic symbols that are shown to us everyday..? The Truth is so obvious.. It is hard to except, and often overwhelming, but non the less there..!!
Have you read A.Ralph Epperson's - The New World Order or John Perkins - Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.. this is not just things I've made up..!
The Truth is out there.. We are just willingly blind to the hard facts of life..!
As a child we are told certain things, that we later grow up and realize are false, how is this any different..?
i wouldn't say "evil" people always win. but those who think more with their brain instead of their hearts can get more accomplished.
LoneStar29
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Good post
For once I actually agree with this guy ... I've learned you do get alot more accomplished when you use your mind instead of your heart ... but IMO evil people usually don't use their hearts so that's why you gotta use your brain to keep up with them
IMO evil people do rule the worldGood question OP
I don't have a problem with videos; I have a problem with which part of a video would one be relying upon. Would you be agreeing with every statement in a video or less than every one? Do you see my point?
Every element of government; every corporation; every person among the wealthy elite? Is every one brainwashing or just some; which ones? If I don't know which one you're talking about, it makes it hard for me or anyone else to respond. In my opinion, when you just lump everone into a certain class or group, it makes your conclusions suspicious.
Hell I don't think, I know there is evil in the world. What I won't do, however, is just "assume" without evidence that any given individual is evil. Nothing is "obvious" unless you can show clearly what you're talking about. Murky conclusions about murky groups and/or individuals doesn't make anything clearer, just murkier.
Did you know that many, if not most, things are subject to question ???
QueEx
YES
They say the good die young/
I guess these grimy niggas live a long time/
sit in fancy whips sip champagne and shine
-50 (of all people)
They say the good die young/
I guess these grimy niggas live a long time/
sit in fancy whips sip champagne and shine
-50 (of all people)
Evil People???
Well...
I will try to make this as brief as I can...
First of all, concepts like "good" and "evil" are subjective to the effects that the actions in question, whatever they are, have upon the ones making the determination. Usually the given determination is self serving, that is, "what hurts ME is evil and what benefits ME is good". Ergo to those of the criminal lifestyle, cops and honest "snitching" citizens are evil, as well as DA's, sentencing judges, the jury, and so on.
So...
What I say, is that there are givers, and there are takers, selfish, and selfless. There are those who consider the forward progress or benefit for the group and those who only consider the forward progress and benefit of themselves. I would consider takers, and self serving individuals to be evil. I would consider givers, and generous or considerate individuals to be good.
Rule the World???
Again...
No one "rules" the world. But there are those who seem to have a dominant influence over what goes on and what resources are controlled and utilized to what ends. Usually, as long as these determinations seem to benefit the masses somehow, most people don't seem to give a shit. Not until starvation and loss of property and things like that kick in. THEN the masses are concerned, and often time those who "Rule" find themselves having to either appease said masses or "show their true face" and mow the angry mobs down with their hired guns.
Anyway...
I think, personally, that selfish, self serving, taking energy is more aggressive, or some would say assertive than giving and generous or considerate energy. No one breaks their necks to give or to help those in need or whatever because they comprehend the urgency of the needs of others. But people will literally break their necks (and someone else's too) in consideration of their own sense of personal urgency. By default the more aggressive/ assertive person "wins" and gets to the top of the heap. I don't even think that is a question.
As far as the heart and mind argument my man Don mentioned? Well, that is also a different matter and one for careful and discerning consideration...
Holla...
Well...
I will try to make this as brief as I can...
First of all, concepts like "good" and "evil" are subjective to the effects that the actions in question, whatever they are, have upon the ones making the determination. Usually the given determination is self serving, that is, "what hurts ME is evil and what benefits ME is good". Ergo to those of the criminal lifestyle, cops and honest "snitching" citizens are evil, as well as DA's, sentencing judges, the jury, and so on.
So...
What I say, is that there are givers, and there are takers, selfish, and selfless. There are those who consider the forward progress or benefit for the group and those who only consider the forward progress and benefit of themselves. I would consider takers, and self serving individuals to be evil. I would consider givers, and generous or considerate individuals to be good.
Rule the World???
Again...
No one "rules" the world. But there are those who seem to have a dominant influence over what goes on and what resources are controlled and utilized to what ends. Usually, as long as these determinations seem to benefit the masses somehow, most people don't seem to give a shit. Not until starvation and loss of property and things like that kick in. THEN the masses are concerned, and often time those who "Rule" find themselves having to either appease said masses or "show their true face" and mow the angry mobs down with their hired guns.
Anyway...
I think, personally, that selfish, self serving, taking energy is more aggressive, or some would say assertive than giving and generous or considerate energy. No one breaks their necks to give or to help those in need or whatever because they comprehend the urgency of the needs of others. But people will literally break their necks (and someone else's too) in consideration of their own sense of personal urgency. By default the more aggressive/ assertive person "wins" and gets to the top of the heap. I don't even think that is a question.
As far as the heart and mind argument my man Don mentioned? Well, that is also a different matter and one for careful and discerning consideration...
Holla...
If we use a simple definition of evil as a negative force in peoples lives one the most negative forces is oppresson. The question is " Do evil people rule the world" yes they do because they are the only ones with the power to oppress. Like I pointed out every ruler seems to be able to trace his family back to the original ruling class it's almost unbelievable that Obama, a bi-racial man from Africa is the most blue-blooded presidential candidate in recent history. No matter what his policies are if he's elected they will have a negative effect on someone's life they will see him as a oppressor.
Hmmm, well...
Personally? I think your logic and sense of reason here is a tad bit flawed although the intentions behind your considerations are surely quite noble.
I mean that sincerely, too...
But hey, the question itself is rhetorical so there are no objectively right or wrong answers, only a comparison/ contrast of various individual opinions. Oppression is also subjective, believe it or not. I mean to the Romanov Family of Russia? Who was "Evil" in that equation and why?
So are you saying that ANYONE in charge of or ruling, or controlling, administering, overseeing, chairing or whatever over any situation that involves the lives of others is evil on account of such a position being oppressive??? I mean I myself believe in various aspects of Libertarian-Socialist ideals. But even I wouldn't go that far, LOL... Someone simply possesses the skills, knowledge, wisdom and understanding that many if not most others DO NO and therefore is rightful to be placed in charge of certain things. I wouldn't consult the baker to do my taxes nor my accountant for an EKG. When you follow this line of reasoning it becomes painfully obvious that someone would have to be in charge of overseeing the distribution of and managing of a society's resources and official policies, so forth and so on.
Now...
I wouldn't say that these hypothetical persons would be evil by default. But again, as in my original reply, they would LIKELY aspire to such positions for self centered reasons before aspiring to such positions for the good of the common man...
I agree with the pattern, you see, but from a particular point of perspective!
Holla...
And I'll bet if you had your family tree run by the same companies using the same method as was used to trace Barack's lineage, you will have some common roots with similar individuals/families. And what will it mean? Probably not a damn thing.nittie said:
Now, notice the pattern: Companies claim to have run the lineage of people you know and come up with interesting connections; people get interested in who they may be related to; companies, i.e., Ancestry dot Com, get you to purchase their software.
QueEx
Is it the rich, or the "Haves" who seek to preserve what they have ??? Of course, "Have" is a relative term, but isn't that just part of the first law of nature ???
QueEx
Only because their sense of balance or stability in reality involves that they do...
See, this is the controversial truth I have come to accept, right? That to "overthrow and revolutionize" is anarchy, in a sense. Not necessarily saying anarchy is bad, but that is another story, I don't want to go there. However: Poor folk with no power or affluence generally do not know how to correspond to a reality where they are rich, powerful, and affluent. Rich, powerful and affluent people don't know the experience of being broke and assed out...
It's a formula for chaos, reversing that order. Tapping into the most primal of unknown factors in the human psyche, the way I see it. But at the same time I do believe that some "get right" is in order. The question is who is going to handle the weight and who has the plan that works it all out in the end? Is controlled chaos really possible? Will it really be the right thing to do in our immediate future? I am afraid that we will find out the truth in all of this sooner than later, though...
But I digress, my bad, LOL...
Thanks for the shout out, Que...
