KEMETIANS: What Made 'Em Different From Their Fellow Africans?

[smokedacane]

Did you know Lemuria didn't exist until 1860, as a theory to explain fossil remains of Lemurs.

There is no real geological evidence for it, and so much info and speculation on it, comes from clairvoyants, mystics, such as the reprehesible methods of James Churchward, seeking Mu.

More and more, I see the metaphor, of lost world wide consciousness, represented in the water covering lost knowledge held by not so much, Atlantis, as a place, but more so, the antediluvian civilization of which remains much, we just don't know what.

I'm aware of some of what you stated. I have no way of knowing whether or not it actually existed at one point and time but I reference it as fantasy with only my belief manifesting it as a possibility. But you could be on track with it being simply a metaphor.

 

[mk23666]

No. No need for interpretation. I meant exactly what I said. He believes that Egyptians have Irish ancestry.

He believes that the Lumeria/Atlantian survivors settled in Ireland and began the Druidic mystery schools, which then people and pre-historic, antediluvian knowledge migrated and settled into North Africa, and modern civilization, began, and moved, " West to East ". He is very specific concerning this point. He self published a book called, " Irish Origins of Civilization ".

Note, Michael Tsarion is Irish.

You can attend one of his, " Mystery " Schools for $500.00, and learn his, " Rituals ", to fight the Illuminati! But then again, some accuse him of being Scotish Rite, and a Rosicrucian.

Okay, I got it backwards from the jump. I thought I read he was saying the Irish are Egyptian and it was actually written the other way around.

I'd sooner believe the way I though I read it before the correct way was pointed out to me.

 

[AtomAnt]

Did The Hyksos Shepherd Kings Write The Bible?!?

...AtomAnt we are on the same page. i consider you a brother in this.
...much a distortion... the bible or any other holybook of the religions.
and i do not bear witness to it coming from one single story book....

...the biblical exodus is not equivalent to the erroneous corruption of 'hyksos' (rightly named heka khaswt, foreign rulers)in relation to egypts own record.
..the biblical exodus is not relevant since its really a fable and is a combination or collection of stories and embellishments people call 'god's word'.
hebrews are not equivalent to hyksos or hekau khasut. certain religious groups/orgs. push that and do not know that there are significant differences. its easy to say they are the same because it seems similar. but its not.
to say that hebrews or israelites match hekau khasut is to justify bible and bible is in no way substantial in any case except for maybe 'the faithful'.

amenta et al

- the following is not my assertion - just food for thought - it shows once again reasons why the holy books stories figures and patriarchs - bible etc - should not be easily condemned as myths legends and folk-lore but should be given serious consideration once again as having the same original identical source as the books of history

THE HYKSOS SHEPHERD KINGS OF LOWER EGYPT were ejected as history tells us - does that imply that every single last hyksos had left egypt?!? - No it doesnt because if one carries on reading the story - the FULL STORY reveals that the hyksos shepherd kings regained the throne of egypt once more - theres also evidence of this on the king lists of egypt

The pharaohs amenhotep II and amenhotep III were called 'hyk' in their royal titles - HYKSOS SHEPHERD KINGS - more interestingly check out their full royal titles -

Amenhotep II - Hyksos King of Heliopolis

Amenhotep III - The Shepherd King of Thebes!!! (provocative in the least)

Amenhotep III was to be the father of none other than Amenhotep IV aka Akhenaten
eek: A-ha! - now we talkin')
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ok Historians are not too loud to brag about the return and the regain of kingship of the hyksos into egypt as they are to brag about the ejection of the hyksos - the hyksos kings were restored back into egyptian rulership - how was this possible?!? - why did they return?!? - egyptological circles and historians are admittedly silent...

this is the point where the bible reveals itself as telling the exact same story of the exact same peoples - the bible complements the story by yielding the story of the return of Joseph into Egypt - his family settling in Heliopolis - his marriage into the egyptian royal aristocracy - the return of his entire family of brothers father their wives etc

Jacob the son of Isaac the son of Abraham was ejected from egypt - his own son Joseph returned into egypt to become Joseph the vizier - to align himself close enough to the egyptian royalty aristocracy - close enough to marry their daughter! - and finally to restore the hyksos shepherd kings into the land of egypt - not bad for a little slave boy - couldnt really complain too much about that


- i think its a perfect match - they complement each other

i gotta get outta here now but just in case youre still wondering that WTF?!?! this must all be pure fabled fantasy folk-lore lemme remind you that this complement is evident in the names as well - check this out -

BIBLICAL PATRIARCHS - Abraham and Jacob

EGYPTIAN KINGS (PHARAOHS) - Mahebra and Jacoba
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coincidence again?!? - hey mayne we're just discussing here - not my assertion - i mean this all appears to be beginning to yield itself up as some sort of secret that was meant to remain a secret - known only to the initiated and never to be realized to the masses

perhaps looking at it from the other end we might ask ourselves what was the true identity of the biblical patriarchs - Abraham Jacob Joseph David Solomon?!? - Exactly who were these people in reality?!? Why can we not spot these very important characters in the secular historical world?!? - How did such important people evade the historians?!?

And if what you're saying is indeed true that the exodus stories and characters is all fable and fabrication then who were the people that got to make the decision to write up these make-belief stories encode them with plentiful hidden cyphers and then feed them to the masses as if they were real events and real characters?!? - who gets to make that decision and why did they use egypt and egyptians?!?

One last thing to remember is that throughout history the only peoples who have been known to have any affiliations with the divine have always been the upper echelons - royalty and aristocracy - and with egypt its the pharaohs of course - they were known as the sons of the gods no less - they were the only intermediaries between the divine and the masses - noone else had that authority - only them - not mere shepherds or goat-horders in the least

 

[AtomAnt]

Since this is my favorite thread on this board and I haven't really put in my 2 cents, I thought I might add a few interesting facts about the Great Pyramid....
http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/great_pyramid.html

Am checking out the link...

 

[AtomAnt]

Ahh yes ... the chipped/cracked coffer.

Well, as I mentioned before, there is a Sumerian myth (The Lugal-e) that speaks about the Great Pyramid (The House Which Is Heaped Up Like A Mountian) and how after a war between the Gods a God named Ninurta went into the Great Pyramid and took some artifacts/devices for his temples and had others destroyed. The tale suggests some of the devices/artifacts functioned as defensive/offensive weapons to protect the whole Giza complex others worked as communications and maybe computing devices from the desciptions given of them.

sumer and kemet seem to go a long way back into unrecorded history - as they should since the two lands are only linked by a bit of ocean - that interconnection is evident in the bible too with abram/abraham going from Ur to egypt to buy grain - though josephus says that he way there to spy on the priestsly venerations of the gods which if correct could not possibly be written in the bible as its primary focus is to promote monotheism - and wasnt abraham's father sumerian - the two cultures are heavily linked

incidentally there is a school of thought that proclaims that the king lists of sumer somewhat predated the king lists of kemet thus the hieroglyphs of sumer were earlier and more advanced than those of the egyptians - some would even indicate that sumerian rulers were the kings of egypt at one point which would clash with other schools who claim that the first king of egypt was (black) nerme

the sumerians probably even knew the purpose of the Great Pyramid
Could you link this sumerian lugale myth here for reference - props ahead

 

[balls]

Two words for ya-
Ancient Astronauts

 

[dymextrememodels.com]

Man my eyes are so open now it's hurts to see the light! This may be a stupid question but it's a relevant one. Do you think tis knowledge & advanced architectural knowledge came as a result of Aliens? All that I've read & heard over the last month has me compelled to ask this question. These Scientology's cats may be on to something thats obviously hidden, I dunno just food for thought! 360 degrees of knowledge & I'm about a 20 Go Figure!

 

[AtomAnt]

mk23666 et al


this's the chap I was refering to - I never read his book but it sure looks like interesting reading - I mean check the audacity of this guy "its sumerian origin" - the dude got fuckin' guts!!! - he's written a few other books but this is the one thats most relevant in this matter - I would eventually get a copy from amazon just to see his claims proofs etc - have you read it?

Egyptian Civilization Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology
by L. a. Waddell

Book Description

You also get a copy of The Sumerian Origin of Egyptian Hieroglyphs, with 21 plates, 97 text illustrations and 2 maps.

In spite of the advances in our knowledge of ancient Egypt, two basic questions of magnitude remain outstanding in as great uncertainty as in the days of Herodotus.

These are the question of the origin of the civilization of ancient Egypt, and the question of the dates of its kings and dynasties.

The author attempts to answer these questions in this work.



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on the contrary heres another author - Dr. Muata Ashby

The African Origins book 1 African origins of African Civilization, Religion, Yoga Mysticism and Ethics Philosophy

The African Origins book 2 African origins of Western Civilization, Religion, Yoga Mysticism and Ethics Philosophy

THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF CIVILIZATION, MYSTICAL RELIGION AND YOGA PHILOSOPHY HARD COVER EDITION ISBN: 1-884564-50-X $80.00 U.S. 81/2\" X 11\" Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 in one volume 683 Pages Hard Cover First Edition Three volumes in one. Over the past several years I have been asked to put together in one volume the most important evidences showing the correlations and common teachings between Kamitan (Ancient Egyptian) culture and religion and that of India. The questions of the history of Ancient Egypt, and the latest archeological evidences showing civilization and culture in Ancient Egypt and its spread to other countries, has intrigued many scholars as well as mystics over the years.
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[AtomAnt]

Since this is my favorite thread on this board and I haven't really put in my 2 cents, I thought I might add a few interesting facts about the Great Pyramid.
The sides of the pyramid are lined up almost exactly with the cardinal points of the compass. The accuracy of this alignment is extraordinary, with an average discrepancy of only about three minutes of arc in any direction or a variation of less than 0.06 percent.
The Great Pyramid functioned as an enormous sundial. Its shadow to the north, and its reflected sunlight to the south, accurately marked the annual dates of both the solstices and the equinoxes.
The basic dimensions of the Great Pyramid incorporate measurements from which the earth's size and shape can be calculated. The pyramid is a scale model of the hemisphere, incorporating the geographical degrees of latitude and longitude. The latitude and longitude lines that intersect at the Great Pyramid (30 degrees north and 31 degrees east) cross more of the earth's land surface than any other lines, thus the pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth (the pyramid is built on the closest suitable site to this intersection). The original perimeter of the pyramid equals exactly one-half minute of latitude at the equator, indicating that its builders measured the earth with extreme precision and recorded this information in the dimensions of the structure. Altogether these measurements show that the builders knew the exact dimensions of the planet as precisely as they have been recently determined by satellite surveys.
The foundation of the Great Pyramid is amazingly level., No corner of its base is more than one-half inch higher or lower than the others. Considering that the pyramid's base covers more than thirteen acres, this near-perfect leveling far exceeds even the finest architectural standards of the present day.
Measurements throughout the pyramid show that its constructors knew of the proportions of pi (3.14...), phi or the Golden Mean (1.618), and the "Pythagorean" triangles thousands of years before Pythagoras, the so-called father of geometry, lived.
Measurements show that the builders knew the precise spherical shape and size of the earth and had accurately charted such complex astronomical events as the precession of the equinoxes and the lunar standstill dates. The minute discrepancies of the lengths of the base of the pyramid (several inches over the 230 meter length of its base) reveal not an error on the part of the builders but an ingenious means of incorporating into the pyramid the "discrepancies" of the earth itself, in this case the flattening of the earth's globe at the poles.
Shafts leading upward from the two main chambers, previously thought to be air shafts for ventilation, have been shown to have another possible purpose. A miniature electronic robot mechanically crawled sixty-five meters up the shafts and its findings suggested that the south and north shafts in the Kings Chamber are pointed to Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) and Alpha Draconis respectively, while the south and north shafts of the Queens Chamber point to Sirius and Orion. The scientists conducting this research believe that the layout of the three pyramids on the Giza plateau precisely mirror the position of the three main stars in the Orion constellation. (While crawling along one of the shafts in the Queens chamber, the robot's cameras photographed a previously unknown closed door that may lead to some hidden chamber.) Readers interested in these new findings should consult The Orion Mystery by Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert.
http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/great_pyramid.html

The sides of the Pyramid were most likely lined up perfectly with the compass points at one time in the distant past.
The Earth goes through a wobble in it's orbit around the Sun and it's tilt as well as other major geological actions that could have caused it to move slightly off perfection. There is a study called archeo-astronomy that takes into account the orientation of the vast temples that are Sun/Moon/star connected and by studying how far off they are in alignment they can determine when the temple was first constructed and even the ages when they were renovated to try and keep them aligned to the particular celestial object.

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both of your posts yielded to me an old addage - "neccesity is the mother of invetion" - your posts seem to be indicating that it was neccesary to build the great pyramid on the giza plateau and henceforth that gave rise to the civilization of Egypt - in other words no great pyramid no egyptian civilization which implies that egypt would have normally developed at the exact same pace along with its fellow african states...

Great Posts Fellas!

 

[shanebp1978]

Do you think tis knowledge & advanced architectural knowledge came as a result of Aliens?

No. I believe it is the result of the knowledge antediluvian Civilizations


http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=243730

Man my eyes are so open now it's hurts to see the light! This may be a stupid question but it's a relevant one. Do you think tis knowledge & advanced architectural knowledge came as a result of Aliens? All that I've read & heard over the last month has me compelled to ask this question. These Scientology's cats may be on to something thats obviously hidden, I dunno just food for thought! 360 degrees of knowledge & I'm about a 20 Go Figure!

Yeah your money.

Go study a religion written by a science fiction writer, occultis who said . . ." The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion. " , if you want to.

They will clean you of your evil body Thetans for 70K!

 

[mk23666]

sumer and kemet seem to go a long way back into unrecorded history - as they should since the two lands are only linked by a bit of ocean - that interconnection is evident in the bible too with abram/abraham going from Ur to egypt to buy grain - though josephus says that he way there to spy on the priestsly venerations of the gods which if correct could not possibly be written in the bible as its primary focus is to promote monotheism - and wasnt abraham's father sumerian - the two cultures are heavily linked

incidentally there is a school of thought that proclaims that the king lists of sumer somewhat predated the king lists of kemet thus the hieroglyphs of sumer were earlier and more advanced than those of the egyptians - some would even indicate that sumerian rulers were the kings of egypt at one point which would clash with other schools who claim that the first king of egypt was (black) nerme

the sumerians probably even knew the purpose of the Great Pyramid
Could you link this sumerian lugale myth here for reference - props ahead

Here is the Nunurta Lugal-E text/poem:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/guerradioses/guerradioses08b.htm

mk23666 et al


this's the chap I was refering to - I never read his book but it sure looks like interesting reading - I mean check the audacity of this guy "its sumerian origin" - the dude got fuckin' guts!!! - he's written a few other books but this is the one thats most relevant in this matter - I would eventually get a copy from amazon just to see his claims proofs etc - have you read it?




Egyptian Civilization Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology
by L. a. Waddell

Book Description

You also get a copy of The Sumerian Origin of Egyptian Hieroglyphs, with 21 plates, 97 text illustrations and 2 maps.

In spite of the advances in our knowledge of ancient Egypt, two basic questions of magnitude remain outstanding in as great uncertainty as in the days of Herodotus.

These are the question of the origin of the civilization of ancient Egypt, and the question of the dates of its kings and dynasties.

The author attempts to answer these questions in this work.

Interesting title ... I'll have to check it out soon.

 

[mk23666]

Did you know Lemuria didn't exist until 1860, as a theory to explain fossil remains of Lemurs.

There is no real geological evidence for it, and so much info and speculation on it, comes from clairvoyants, mystics, such as the reprehesible methods of James Churchward, seeking Mu.

More and more, I see the metaphor, of lost world wide consciousness, represented in the water covering lost knowledge held by not so much, Atlantis, as a place, but more so, the antediluvian civilization of which remains much, we just don't know what.

Interesting ... I would suspect that you put the worldwide Deluge tales into that catagory as well?
Interesting indeed.

 

[mk23666]

Getting back to the coffer in the Great Pyramid. Take a look at these interesting objects found in hieroglyphs. Strangely enough, just like the Hebrew's Ark of the Covenant, they too functioned as devices that the Gods would use to speak and listen through.

^Here Thoth is a human faced winged and legged serpent leading an ark device being suspended by lions. Winged serpent/feathered serpent ... one in the same? Didn't the serpent of the "Garden" have limbs and could speak like a man? I've also read that it was colorfully feathered. (coat of many colors?)

^The object to the far right is called the Osiris Pillar/Ark/Casket. The Osiris Sanctuary is between two TET/Djed columns. (No one has yet to uncover an actual TET/Djed column, Osirus's sanctuary, or the Osiris Ark)

^Here Isis and Horus(?) are tending the Osiris Casket which was purported to hold the head of Osiris. Note the ark chest is to the side. The two feather-like objects above the casket are called the Shuti, or the enlightenment tablets. Sounds a lot like the tablets Moses brought back from the Mount hunh?

^This ark has the pillar attached and held steady by the Thoth, and strangely Seth who by the way killed his brother Osiris ... I think?

^This ark has an ark/barge on it with a similar pillar device on top. This time the Goddesses Isis and Nephtys hold the pillar steady while the barge is navigated by Horus. There seems to be some commentary about the device in the upper left corner.

^Here is an actual cropped picture of the Osiris Pillar heiroglyph. What comes to mind is the brass snake God ordered Moses make in the wilderness and the staff Moses held up when the Israelites went to battle.

^This is what through reading about the device an artist has imagined what the complete device looked like with all of it's parts together.

^Notice the RED Apis bulls, the tablets on the staff above the ark, the cherubim who almost touch in the middle ... kinda like the Hebrew ark hunh?

^This is an Assyrian tablet of a priest (left) and I think the standing Goddess is Inanna/Ishtar and the smaller sitting God could be her twin brother Utu/Shamash. The object between them could be interpreted to be an Osiris Pillar, which if so could mean that he is speaking to or getting commands from Inanna/Ishtar.

 

[AtomAnt]

AtomAnt... needs to... come off that alien theory created by europeans to dis-credit the African.
AtomAnt, so why does Menes look like this?????

Menes was the first Pharaoh of

Egypt, and the founding Pharaoh of

the 1st Dynasty.
The most important political event in ancient Egyptian history was the unification of the

two lands by Menes. With the emergence of a strong, centralized

government under a

god-Pharaoh, the country's nascent

economic and political institutions became subject to royal authority. The central

government, either directly

or through major officials, became the employer of soldiers, retainers, bureaucrats, and

artisans whose goods and services benefited the upper classes and the state

gods.
Ancient Egypt's most predominant form of civilization began with his crowning, and did

not end permanently until the beginning of the Roman era, which started with Augustus

Caesar.
Menes founded the city of Memphis

, and chose as its location an island in the

Nile, so that it would be easy to

defend.
He was also the founder of Crocodopolis.
During his time, the Egyptian army performed raids against

Nubia in the south and expanded his

sphere of influence as far as the First Cataract.
His death is a mystery, for, according to legend he was attacked by wild dogs and

Nile crocodiles in Fayum . Menes'

tomb resides at Saqqara, the famed necropolis of

Memphis. He died at the age of

Sixty Three.

^mk23666 - brilliant post - responding soon...



Great Post KayaNation


this response has been long in coming but I think its timely in that with the board atmosphere now its becoming clearer to everyone that the egyptians werent on some other shit but just a part of a much larger empire of the sumerian and the indus valley

I think its also becoming clearer with the new threads that the africans - the indigeneous native africans - didnt need anyone to create alien theories for them - they always had their own alien visitation 'theories' of which they claim they have proof - the zulu shamans - the great shaman credo mutwa - the dogons - etc

and to answer your last question I think its becoming clearer to everyone that it's not only menes's death that is a mystery - we know nothing (?!?) about this nobleman's (menes) ancestry and genealogy - who were his parents? - who was his father? - his mother? - why was he chosen to be king?!? who really was this guy??!? - where did his ancestry come from?!?

why did he set base in memphis in the nile delta?!? - did his ancestry and genealogy belong in the era we can only currently describe as "pre-dynastic pharaohs"?!? - what was the origin of the tradition of his crowning??!

I mean this chap's almost like jesus to us - but at least we know who his mother was...

 

[AMENTA]

Re: Did The Hyksos Shepherd Kings Write The Bible?!?

amenta et al

- the following is not my assertion - just food for thought - it shows once again reasons why the holy books stories figures and patriarchs - bible etc - should not be easily condemned as myths legends and folk-lore but should be given serious consideration once again as having the same original identical source as the books of history

THE HYKSOS SHEPHERD KINGS OF LOWER EGYPT were ejected as history tells us - does that imply that every single last hyksos had left egypt?!? - No it doesnt because if one carries on reading the story - the FULL STORY reveals that the hyksos shepherd kings regained the throne of egypt once more - theres also evidence of this on the king lists of egypt

The pharaohs amenhotep II and amenhotep III were called 'hyk' in their royal titles - HYKSOS SHEPHERD KINGS - more interestingly check out their full royal titles -

Amenhotep II - Hyksos King of Heliopolis

Amenhotep III - The Shepherd King of Thebes!!! (provocative in the least)

Amenhotep III was to be the father of none other than Amenhotep IV aka Akhenaten
eek: A-ha! - now we talkin')
​

ok Historians are not too loud to brag about the return and the regain of kingship of the hyksos into egypt as they are to brag about the ejection of the hyksos - the hyksos kings were restored back into egyptian rulership - how was this possible?!? - why did they return?!? - egyptological circles and historians are admittedly silent...

this is the point where the bible reveals itself as telling the exact same story of the exact same peoples - the bible complements the story by yielding the story of the return of Joseph into Egypt - his family settling in Heliopolis - his marriage into the egyptian royal aristocracy - the return of his entire family of brothers father their wives etc

Jacob the son of Isaac the son of Abraham was ejected from egypt - his own son Joseph returned into egypt to become Joseph the vizier - to align himself close enough to the egyptian royalty aristocracy - close enough to marry their daughter! - and finally to restore the hyksos shepherd kings into the land of egypt - not bad for a little slave boy - couldnt really complain too much about that


- i think its a perfect match - they complement each other

i gotta get outta here now but just in case youre still wondering that WTF?!?! this must all be pure fabled fantasy folk-lore lemme remind you that this complement is evident in the names as well - check this out -

BIBLICAL PATRIARCHS - Abraham and Jacob

EGYPTIAN KINGS (PHARAOHS) - Mahebra and Jacoba
​

coincidence again?!? - hey mayne we're just discussing here - not my assertion - i mean this all appears to be beginning to yield itself up as some sort of secret that was meant to remain a secret - known only to the initiated and never to be realized to the masses

perhaps looking at it from the other end we might ask ourselves what was the true identity of the biblical patriarchs - Abraham Jacob Joseph David Solomon?!? - Exactly who were these people in reality?!? Why can we not spot these very important characters in the secular historical world?!? - How did such important people evade the historians?!?

And if what you're saying is indeed true that the exodus stories and characters is all fable and fabrication then who were the people that got to make the decision to write up these make-belief stories encode them with plentiful hidden cyphers and then feed them to the masses as if they were real events and real characters?!? - who gets to make that decision and why did they use egypt and egyptians?!?

One last thing to remember is that throughout history the only peoples who have been known to have any affiliations with the divine have always been the upper echelons - royalty and aristocracy - and with egypt its the pharaohs of course - they were known as the sons of the gods no less - they were the only intermediaries between the divine and the masses - noone else had that authority - only them - not mere shepherds or goat-horders in the least

Peace AtomAnt:

A couple of points: the bible is an eclectic source and does take from a variety of peoples stories and/or records. This is not where I disagreed with you.

The psuedo-Egyptian story of Mosheh, Ya'acov, and Yosef are indeed rooted in old nisu's (later called pa-ro in hebrew and then mistranslated as pharaoh in english). We can agree on that. I have no problem with them being linked to Imyotef, Thutmose, and Yakub-Har.

But the truth is that while the characters might have some validation (as with most tales or nice stories) in an original Egyptian character, it does not make them any real or truthful as their beginnings. The fictionals based on the originals are too far removed to say that they are valid sources or to say that they are direct equivalents.

Its been in my experience that this type of reasoning is only for those who want to believe or esteem bible or qur'an as being valuable because they want their spirituality to be racially validated(and it is not). Race is an illusion and is a very young concept. It should not be used to interpret our past.

The bible is not a legitimate source for understanding the truth of the past. It is more of a source of understanding how people create legends and how communication for human beings at times in the past was not about accuracy but for the telling of a 'good' sounding story that makes the teller's collective or hero look marvelous or spectacular. And more importantly, for political domination and the hording of resources via religious ritual.

CONCERNING HYKSOS:

Again, the Hekau Khasut (falsely called hyksos by josephus)is not the mosheh story of the bible. it is not the joseph story of the bible. Rather they are crude fictionals having some ancient egyptian features alongside other features from varying sources added in as well. They are mixed and diluted and far from sacred.

Mosheh, Yosef, Ya'acov, are only great beings through people's faith. If that's what people are into then that is on them.

Why try and justify a second rate bible story and liken it unto the meticulous records of the Beloved Land? To convince people that their bible is really Egyptian stories? Then what part of those scriptures should we see as lies and what part should we see as truth? And does it really matter since in this day and time we can go to the original sources?

Since you consider the bible to be a great mystery with hidden cyphers (i guess in the francis bacon sense), maybe thats why it would be valuable.

For me, the bible, its purpose and canonization, needs to be understood for what it is: a control book. I will never justify something like that.

Most of your points however, even if you say its not your own, I can agree with.

What does everyone else think?

Peace

 

[mk23666]

Re: Did The Hyksos Shepherd Kings Write The Bible?!?

refresh

 

[shanebp1978]

I can't . . . respond . . . blinded . . . by . . . . someone's . . . HUGE EGO!!!

 

[AtomAnt]

Getting back to the coffer in the Great Pyramid. Take a look at these interesting objects found in hieroglyphs. Strangely enough, just like the Hebrew's Ark of the Covenant, they too functioned as devices that the Gods would use to speak and listen through...[/B]

*sighs - this must be highly esoteric - however i think that its all becoming clearer that the bible contains detailed full-on egyptian traditions in it even tho the reverend would try to convince us otherwise - i think it would be intellectual laziness to believe that a civilization thats lasted that long would not want its story heard and learned all over the world and would instead resort to fictitious tales and legends of lowly shepherds

the bible does mention moses being well-versed in ALL the knowledge and wisdom of the egyptians - him and his brother aaron - no dispute there - the ol' boys were high initiates/high-ranking freemasons of the fraternity of their days

am beginning to reason that the truth (official version) about the GP may never see the light of day for as long as there are secret societies and freemasons - people would simply be left guessing away - some reasonably accurately others not - since theres no official version of the truth - its like the authorities couldnt really care less to keep the masses dumb-founded

to take thousands of years of civilization to come up with a fictional account of events?!? - it simply doesnt add up - the stories may be sugar-coated to cover up real events which if told straight might be embarrrassing... if experience has taught me anything tho - it is the fact that all things ancient egyptian is anything but fiction

mk23666 - if what youre implying is that a similarly-looking artifact might have resided in and been stolen from the Great Pyramid then I think you might have a point there - a device just like that might have been kept inside the GP but something else was stolen from the top of the GP - the benben capstone!!! - the capstone might be more important because remember that the 'kings chamber' is off-set from the center-line of the GP whereas the capstone is dead-on center!!!

 

[AtomAnt]

I can't . . . respond . . . blinded . . . by . . . . someone's . . . HUGE EGO!!!

 

[mk23666]

mk23666 - if what youre implying is that a similarly-looking artifact might have resided in and been stolen from the Great Pyramid then I think you might have a point there - a device just like that might have been kept inside the GP but something else was stolen from the top of the GP - the benben capstone!!! - the capstone might be more important because remember that the 'kings chamber' is off-set from the center-line of the GP whereas the capstone is dead-on center!!!

I agree that the GP DID have a capstone. Every other pyramid built has one, heiroglyphs show capped/complete pyramidal shapes, every obelisk has one. Was it A BENBEN stone or THE BENBEN stone ... and what exactly the original BENBEN stone really was I don't know. But yes, something is missing, and if the GP was actually a mechanical/electronic device the the loss of the parts that made it whole are almost more signifigant that the pyramid itself. (A car is just a shell or shelter without the key/battery/fuel/engine ... one could just as well call a car an elaborate coffin without those necessary things)

I recall somewhere reading that the capstone was made of gold or had a golden color.

Does anybody else find it strange that the GP has lower and upper chambers while the other two built on the same plain have only a lower one IF that?

Either they didn't know of the upper chambers when they built the other ones (which seems impossible if the son was copying the father)

Or they chose to forgo the upper chambers for various reasons.

Or the other pyramids served another purpose and didn't need them.

 

[mk23666]

*sighs - this must be highly esoteric - however i think that its all becoming clearer that the bible contains detailed full-on egyptian traditions in it even tho the reverend would try to convince us otherwise - i think it would be intellectual laziness to believe that a civilization thats lasted that long would not want its story heard and learned all over the world and would instead resort to fictitious tales and legends of lowly shepherds

the bible does mention moses being well-versed in ALL the knowledge and wisdom of the egyptians - him and his brother aaron - no dispute there - the ol' boys were high initiates/high-ranking freemasons of the fraternity of their days

am beginning to reason that the truth (official version) about the GP may never see the light of day for as long as there are secret societies and freemasons - people would simply be left guessing away - some reasonably accurately others not - since theres no official version of the truth - its like the authorities couldnt really care less to keep the masses dumb-founded

to take thousands of years of civilization to come up with a fictional account of events?!? - it simply doesnt add up - the stories may be sugar-coated to cover up real events which if told straight might be embarrrassing... if experience has taught me anything tho - it is the fact that all things ancient egyptian is anything but fiction

Again I'd agree.

 

[AtomAnt]

Amenta

real good comment there - am also sure you're aware that the books of the bible/torah/quran were not always available to the masses - these books used to be written up by the priesthood and kept within the holy of holies inside the temples/synagogues - the priests would then read from them to the congregation in the temples - in other words people used to have to go to church in order to read from the bible! - they didnt used to have their own copies at home

YOU mentioned josephus a couple of times - now if you consider josephus's "Antiquities of the Jews" - which he took from the holy of hollies of a jewish temple that was ruined by the romans - you'd find that its almost verbatim with the old testament!!! - to the point that it even had the original intended correct word translations imported correctly - the many different versions of the bible have lost that import - deliberately or otherwise

the point of all this is that these stories were considered important enough to be held within the most sacred parts of the temples and never to be given to the masses implying that once again it simply doesnt add up that the priesthood would have been guarding mere fictitious stories and fables and fairy tales with utmost secrecy

Josephus - written some 350 years before constantine - some 1550 years before king james - is much in alignment with the afforementioned

 

[destrehan]

lol @ cats not believing in the annunaki. that shit is true.

 

[AtomAnt]

Getting back to the coffer in the Great Pyramid. Take a look at these interesting objects found in hieroglyphs. Strangely enough, just like the Hebrew's Ark of the Covenant, they too functioned as devices that the Gods would use to speak and listen through.

^Here Thoth is a human faced winged and legged serpent leading an ark device being suspended by lions. Winged serpent/feathered serpent ... one in the same? Didn't the serpent of the "Garden" have limbs and could speak like a man? I've also read that it was colorfully feathered. (coat of many colors?)
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check this out - its dubbed in polish - am lookin' for the english/spanish dub - its the workings of the great pyramid that I'd like you to pay attention to

Princess of the Sun

aka

La Reine Soleil

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>>>>IMDB<<<<


Princess of the Sun - World Premiere

>>>Official Website<<<


Under the auspices of Mr. Farouk Hosni, Minister of culture, and the attendance of Philippe Coste, the ambassador of France in Egypt and Daniel Leroy, The ambassador of Belgium in Egypt, Good News for Film and Music has taken the initiative to release the largest French-Belgium animation production for 2007, The Princess of the Sun on March 13th at the Pyramids Millennium panorama.

Good News Group has taken the initiative of proposing that the movie be released worldwide from Egypt . . . the natural setting of the story featuring Tutankhamen, Akhenaton and Nefertiti, at the pyramids area.

SYNOPSIS
Nothing could ever prepare the young Akhesa to reign over the people of Egypt. With the help of a young stranger called Tut, the young princess sets on a bold search for her exiled mother, Nefertiti.

Yet, she is blissfully unaware that she is embarking on a long journey that will lead her through the corridors of power and to ultimately succeed her father Akhenaten on the throne of Egypt.

Pursued by the enemies of the Pharaoh, the two teenagers confront a thousand dangers, cheat death on a stifling trek across the desert and survive capture by the fearsome Zannanza. On a journey littered with all kinds of tests and ordeals, Akhesa and Tutankhamun rush headlong in total innocence towards a unique destiny that will unite them for ever.

The story is written by “Christian Jacque” whose novels are an open invitation to a world of mysteries, adventures and exciting discoveries about Egypt. Despite him being the only French writer among the top 15 World Best-sellers, there has never been a film based on his books. So, “Princess of the Sun” is the first, bringing his remarkable intrigues to screen, and bringing his amazing tales of Ancient Egypt to life… to animation-life... The film, created by an award-winning team, is an action and comedy animated film which is, in the meantime, respectful of the History.

The Worldwide Release of Princess of the Sun in Cairo at 13/03/2007 and in France at 04/04/2007

International Title: Princess of the Sun

Original Title: La Reine Soleil

Directed by: Philippe Leclerc

Genre: Feature Animation film

Video clip:
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Polish Dub

http://rapidshare.com/files/78060628/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/78060609/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/78060590/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/78060617/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/78060624/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/78060634/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/78060645/cns-la.reine.soleil.pl.dubbing.part7.rar
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props to Mistah__Mafioso

 

[mk23666]

Interesting. What's up with the dark brown skin and blue eyes tho? I guess they gotta explain how that trait came about somehow ...

 

[AtomAnt]

Interesting. What's up with the dark brown skin and blue eyes tho? I guess they gotta explain how that trait came about somehow ...

you're right - it is provocative in the least - controversial? - absolutely

 

[mk23666]

Southern shaft

Northern shaft

I'm sure you know that these are the plugs found in the northern and southern (air?) shafts found in the Queen's Chamber. Strangely both shafts were plugged and hidden where they connected to the Queen's Chamber until 1872. In 1993 a robot was sent up both shafts but only reached the end of the southern shaft. There were some sharp angle changes in the northern shaft that kept them from reaching it's end.

In 2002 they sent another type robot back up and drilled through the plug in the southern shaft and discovered another plug without the copper attachments 7" further up. They also went up the northern shaft and found an exact copy of the plug with the copper attachments that was in the southern shaft.

Of course Zahi Hawass didn't allow them to drill into the northern plug that day or any other day since. His explanation of the plugs are that they are doors for the soul of the Pharaoh and his Queen to open. Thus the copper (handles?) And he could be right, but I have another idea.

To me these copper attachments could be what is left of positive and negative wires that would have been connected to the missing device/s from the Queen's Chamber.

 

[AtomAnt]

I'm sure you know that these are the plugs found in the northern and southern (air?) shafts found in the Queen's Chamber. Strangely both shafts were plugged and hidden where they connected to the Queen's Chamber until 1872. In 1993 a robot was sent up both shafts but only reached the end of the southern shaft. There were some sharp angle changes in the northern shaft that kept them from reaching it's end...
To me these copper attachments could be what is left of positive and negative wires that would have been connected to the missing device/s from the Queen's Chamber.

I think you got a strong point there - afterall -

the center-line of the Great Pyramid - the very center of the whole construction - runs right throught the exact center of the 'Queens Chamber'

the 'Queens Chamber' does not require any 'stress relief attic chambers' like the 'Kings Chamber' despite having more pressure on its roof beams

the hidden 'air' shafts too?!?

I think its becoming more apparent that the 'Queens Chamber' is more important than its currently being played out to be

you meant this video here?!?

National Geographic Video - Into the Great Pyramid

http://rapidshare.com/files/67874901/itgp.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67622219/itgp.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67595576/itgp.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67488971/itgp.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67478780/itgp.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67467331/itgp.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67455272/itgp.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67443001/itgp.part8.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/67877256/gr_subtitles.rar
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Product Description

Noted Egyptologist Zahi Al-Hawass showcases the most up-to-date archaeological work going on in Egypt and reveals new discoveries that may shed light on some of the most enduring mysteries of the pyramids. You'll witness the opening Egypt's oldest intact sarcophagus and follow a specially-designed robot as it reveals what lay beyond a blocking stone in the Great Pyramid's mysterious southern shaft You'll learn more about how the Great Pyramids were built as a worker's city is unearthed and its clues revealed for the first time.

 

[humble]

this thread is powerful.

 

[AtomAnt]

this thread is powerful.

thank you... its been receiving praises in my private message box since day 1 - I felt to start the topic in response to the atmosphere on the board

now heres the tricky part - a lot of people are well aware of the sensitive nature of a topic like this - of this particular topic actually - people are aware of exactly where it might lead - now see the thing is I realize that not everyone is going to be comfortable with that

am well aware of that - all am trying to say is that we can learn to make ourselves feel better by learning to be comfortable with the absolute truth whatever it may be - because at the end of the day - it is the truth that will set us free

we are simply terrified by the idea of the concept of the absolute truth - therefore we try to stick with whatever is comfortable even if it means lying to ourselves and stealing other peoples shit (sorry i laughed but I know aint shit funny right) - its human nature! - or is it really?!? - is it human nature to say "I like this story better cos it makes me feel better and even tho I know it may well be a lie Imma try to turn it into a truth - all because it makes me feeel better" - is it human nature to be comfortable with a lie?!? - is it just a lie

 

[AtomAnt]

Egypt - Land of the Gods

http://rapidshare.com/files/47396104...ods.part01.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396166...ods.part02.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396177...ods.part03.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396145...ods.part04.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396121...ods.part05.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396161...ods.part06.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396093...ods.part07.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396139...ods.part08.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396143...ods.part09.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396155...ods.part10.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396107...ods.part11.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396071...ods.part12.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396122...ods.part13.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47396130...ods.part14.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/47395334...ods.part15.rar


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[mk23666]

^Drilled southern plug.

^View through the plug to a side wall.

^View through the plug looking forward.

 

[smokedacane]

I remember seeing the trailer for this film some time ago. Found it strikingly odd that an African would have blue eyes but yeeeeaaaaah. Although it was refreshing to see ancient Egyptians being depicted as Africans.

 

[mk23666]

Very provacative ... yet to be updated ... info on the shafts by the original robot probe engineers.

The Upuaut Project
http://www.cheops.org/

 

[nittie]

The reason why the pyramid is on the dollar

"...the Sun enters the palace and the privy alike and is not polluted thereby. We raise not a Capitol or Pyramid to the pride of man, but a Holy Temple in his mind on the model of the Universe, which model we imitate. For whatsoever deserves to exist deserves to be known, and knowledge is the image of Existence. Now the mean and the splendid alike exist..."

The logic contradicts everything America stands for.