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Today's discussion, reparations.

Q: With Obama looking as if he has a high probability of being our next President, being a half black man in the highest executive office of the land, how loud do you think the cries and pressure from various black leaders, black businessmen, special interest groups, and the general public (in public and in private) will be for him to consider getting Congress to begin looking at and starting a discussion on a reparations plan to African Americans in earnest?

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.
 
What do you mean by reparations? Programs? Cash? Stock? Property? Who gets it? Barack's mother was White and his father was an Kenyan whose family never experienced slavery... Would he (or other bi-racial Blacks like him0 qualify? What about... meh... never mind. :dunno: Carry on. :hmm:
 
Ming Fei Hong said:
What do you mean by reparations? Programs? Cash? Stock? Property? Who gets it? Barack's mother was White and his father was an Kenyan whose family never experienced slavery... Would he (or other bi-racial Blacks like him0 qualify? What about... meh... never mind. :dunno: Carry on. :hmm:
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Like I said, it's a discussion and those are all valid questions mate.
In so much as his "heritage" it doesn't matter ... he's a black face in the office and while here in the U.S., I'm sure his color made him prone to the same discrimination as a black man from the lowest delta regions of the South.
 
Heist said:
Today's discussion, reparations.

Q: With Obama looking as if he has a high probability of being our next President, being a half black man in the highest executive office of the land, how loud do you think the cries and pressure from various black leaders, black businessmen, special interest groups, and the general public (in public and in private) will be for him to consider getting Congress to begin looking at and starting a discussion on a reparations plan to African Americans in earnest?

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.
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No reparations. Reparations for what? What purpose would reparations serve?
 
The subject of reparations is a dead issue. Barack has done a good job of distancing himself from civil rights era politics which would have ended his candidacy a long time ago. Anybody who brings this up obviously doesn't want him elected.....

It's a dead issue. It will never happen.
 
we won't get shit, face it! none of us are slaves our ancestors were but not any of us, so accept the fact that we're not going to get shit.

harsh truth, but it had to be said.
 
It won't ever happen... but the most offensive thing anyone can say is that we don't need or deserve em. People love to imply that the effects of slavery aren't still there... they would never even think of growing up like the average black person. It just makes me laugh...
 
The best thing that the country can do is ensure that every person black, white, rich or poor has the same oppurtunity for success. And I dont think that will happen either. . .​
 
No. I'm not about it from Obama and personally, I can't say I'm crazy about the tone of the original question. Half White? :smh: Sounds like Sean Hanniety trying to rationalize to me why he uses Hussein when he refers to Barack Obama, and claim he doesn't understand why we object.

We know his middle name just like we know he is a product of his parents both black and white. He had no say in either. But to me when we attempt to condemn him because of his biology and force that part of him to "make us whole" we are not a lot different than those who robbed us.

My thinking is that if there is someone paying reparations, that money should match the face of the race that wronged us and even that shouldn't come before the official apology. I mean if we say we stand on principal, that is how it should go down in my opinion.

-VG
 
Heist said:
Like I said, it's a discussion and those are all valid questions mate.
In so much as his "heritage" it doesn't matter ... he's a black face in the office and while here in the U.S., I'm sure his color made him prone to the same discrimination as a black man from the lowest delta regions of the South.
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So are we talking reparations for discrimination or slavery? Simply having a 'Black face' doesn't connect him to the reparations issue any more so than any other White politician, if the basis of reparations is repayment for unpaid slavery services and consequential legacy of slavery on the ascendants of former slaves. If you broaden the criterion to discrimination, that opens a Pandora's box that would be illogical to open and impossible close.
 
VegasGuy said:
No. I'm not about it from Obama and personally, I can't say I'm crazy about the tone of the original question. Half White? :smh: Sounds like Sean Hanniety trying to rationalize to me why he uses Hussein when he refers to Barack Obama, and claim he doesn't understand why we object.

We know his middle name just like we know he is a product of his parents both black and white. He had no say in either. But to me when we attempt to condemn him because of his biology and force that part of him to "make us whole" we are not a lot different than those who robbed us.

My thinking is that if there is someone paying reparations, that money should match the face of the race that wronged us and even that shouldn't come before the official apology. I mean if we say we stand on principal, that is how it should go down in my opinion.

-VG
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I didn't say half white.
Don't worry so much about tone, pay attention to content.
 
Heist said:
Why do you feel like this? I think it's a completely valid theoretical question.
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It's definitely a legitimate theoretical question, BUT it's been done before and the answer is still the same: NO! It reeks of civil rights era politics which would polarize a good portion of the country more than it ever has. I would hope that an intelligent man such as yourself would understand that reparations will not cure the ills of black america one bit. The shit is like rape: it doesn't matter what the resolution is to the crime. The victim still has to live with the effects of what happened and eventually it is up to the victim to find a way to move on and get with their life.

Oh and if Obama were to attempt such a major effort such as reparations, he would be more or less putting a pistol to the head of any future politcal aspirations for himself or that of his wife, which would more or less defeat the purpose of why he got into politics in the first place. That's why I say "Anybody who brings this up obviously doesn't want him elected....."

It's a dead issue. 40 acres are not on the way.
 
Ming Fei Hong said:
So are we talking reparations for discrimination or slavery? Simply having a 'Black face' doesn't connect him to the reparations issue any more so than any other White politician, if the basis of reparations is repayment for unpaid slavery services and consequential legacy of slavery on the ascendants of former slaves. If you broaden the criterion to discrimination, that opens a Pandora's box that would be illogical to open and impossible close.
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But having a "black face" in the white house would bring about the natural conclusion even in a "less than logical" America. And if you think a black face doesn't connect him more than a white face, again in the eyes of Americans or Black Leaders and such, than you're truely overestimating the intelligence or rather logic center of the average American.
 
All I'm going to say is that the Japanese got reparations after being placed in concentration camps in the U.S. and Barack Obama is not running to be a "black" president
 
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All I'm going to say is that the Japanese got reparations after being placed in concentration camps in the U.S. and Barack Obama is not running to be a "black" president
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Those were people that actually went through it for the most part. I dont know anybody that just got freed.​
 
Heist said:
But having a "black face" in the white house would bring about the natural conclusion even in a "less than logical" America. And if you think a black face doesn't connect him more than a white face, again in the eyes of Americans or Black Leaders and such, than you're truely overestimating the intelligence or rather logic center of the average American.
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That's just it...

The average Americans (many Blacks included) don't support reparations, regardless of who the president is.
 
Heist said:
Like I said, it's a discussion and those are all valid questions mate.
In so much as his "heritage" it doesn't matter ... he's a black face in the office and while here in the U.S., I'm sure his color made him prone to the same discrimination as a black man from the lowest delta regions of the South.
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no offense my man but, discrimination and slavery are two different things. And I don't mean that in a condecending manner. I'm sure you weren't referring to it like it was but, you can't even say those two words in the same sentence. Women are discriminated against, Jewish people are discriminated against, etc. etc. etc.. Contrarily, women weren't enslaved (of course except if they were Black) and neitehr were Jewish people. I say that to say, Degradation and discrimination cannot be equated to slavery. so to say that because Sen. Obama endured some level of discrimination, is not the same as if his ancestors were enslaved. The whole idea of "reparations" is a little abstract to me. What will that really accomplish? What is the criteria for qualifying for it? Proving that someone in your family tree was a slave? How long would that take? I'm not really for it. The country is already divided on a very visible racial line right now. That would only make things worse.
 
Some of you cats are mad dismissive and cancel out the possibilities for anything. How can someone definitively say that something can't happen is beyond my comprehension. Reparations does not have to come in the form of cash payments, it is simply the act of repairing past wrongs and making them right. Thus, reparations can come in any form as long as it substantially benefits the people thus harmed. The U.S. gov't helped the Jews receive reparations for the Holocaust, which is something that had nothing to do with the U.S., but they still took it upon themselves to help the Jews on an international level. Thus, the same can be done by The U.S. or Obama. Furthermore, the modern world benefited unjustly and at barely no cost from the backs of blacks through slavery and the colonization of Africa, thus Obama or the U.S. can definitly vouch for reparations for blacks on an international level i.e. the UN or World Court. Lastly, I heard Obama shout out Rep John Conyers who is a huge proponate of reparations, before he delivered a speech not more than two weeks ago, so for anyone to rule out the possibilities of reparing past wrongs IMO is quite foolish!
 
Heist said:
I didn't say half white.
Don't worry so much about tone, pay attention to content.
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Now we get to the silly season in your post because I'll be damn if you didn't imply Obama's half white side and got reparations out your mouth to boot. Maybe I should ask if Obama was born of AA mother and father if you wouldn't still be posing the question.

With Obama looking as if he has a high probability of being our next President, being a half black man
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There is content in my first reply, you just chose not to deal with it. But I understand. :hmm:

-VG
 
humble said:
Some of you cats are mad dismissive and cancel out the possibilities for anything. How can someone definitively say that something can't happen is beyond my comprehension. Reparations does not have to come in the form of cash payments, it is simply the act of repairing past wrongs and making them right. Thus, reparations can come in any form as long as it substantially benefits the people thus harmed. The U.S. gov't helped the Jews receive reparations for the Holocaust, which is something that had nothing to do with the U.S., but they still took it upon themselves to help the Jews on an international level. Thus, the same can be done by The U.S. or Obama. Furthermore, the modern world benefited unjustly and at barely no cost from the backs of blacks through slavery and the colonization of Africa, thus Obama or the U.S. can definitly vouch for reparations for blacks on an international level i.e. the UN or World Court. Lastly, I heard Obama shout out Rep John Conyers who is a huge proponate of reparations, before he delivered a speech not more than two weeks ago, so for anyone to rule out the possibilities of reparing past wrongs IMO is quite foolish!
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I think a big part of that is because they (the U.S) didn't have to "make" those reparations. They barely want to apologize for it (slavery). Not yet try to make it right.
 
Reparations?

Didnt he just denounce Farrakhan for the 2% jewish population, whom I must say ALL do not support the zionist state of ISRAEL!!!!!!

The man is a politician, nothing more nothing less, dont expect anything more of him.

We so thirsty after bush we fall for any shit.

He is more likely to appease the zionist then half of his blood that didnt even go through slavery.

Black leaders have no pull with obama, flat out, he gets the vote just cause he has the "black" face. What are we to do for the most part, vote republican??

He doesnt have to appease us and has shown that and will show it, those lost to politics wont understand. He has our vote without doing anything and will not have to do anything.

I bet he will be all for israel and their "reparations" of billions of support america gives them, but will not battle for any people of color here.
 
as long as Black people are still arguing the validity of reparations amongst each other, White people will never have to argue it on the congressional or senate floor.

But as far as Obama (The President), that is not a presidential decision.
 

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