FARRAKHAN RESPONDS to Obama's "Rejection & Denunciation"
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Actually, if Farrakhan really wanted to help Obama, he would've just shut the fuck up. This is just going to bring more heat to the situation.
Farrakhan strives off attention just like all other political and/or high ranked cult/religious leaders.
Farrakhan strives off attention just like all other political and/or high ranked cult/religious leaders.
On a side note, can someone please point out when this lost "gutter religion" speech was delivered?
No because it never happened.
Actually this clears up a matter. This helps him distance himself from muslims, his pastor, and farrakhan himself. Now that the matter has been spoken on, he cant be ambushed with it. Now that he's clarified where he stands, anyone bringing it up would actually sound like dirty pool in the form of an attack. Good job you two.
On a side note, can someone please point out when this lost "gutter religion" speech was delivered?
This is what I found...it seems credible.
If so, the speech was given in 1984.
http://www.blacksandjews.com/Farr_&_Jws.html#anchor391538
"...America and England and the nations backed Israel's existence. Therefore when you aid and abet someone in a criminal conspiracy, you are a part of that criminal conspiracy. So America and England and the nations are criminals in the sight of almighty God. Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name."
Farrakhan `complicit' in Malcolm X's murder
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-62724221.html
In the 1960s, Farrakhan developed a strong enmity toward Malcolm X, who backed a more moderate vision of black civil rights than the NOI’s radical agenda. Against this already tense backdrop, a 1964 event catapulted Farrakhan’s contempt for Malcolm to soaring new heights. That year, Malcolm X publicly revealed that NOI leader Elijah Muhammad had impregnated several of his teenage secretaries, in blatant violation of his own admonitions against sex outside of marriage. Farrakhan was outraged at what he perceived as Malcolm’s disloyalty and called him a traitor. Ten weeks before Malcolm was assassinated, Farrakhan denounced him in the NOI newspaper Muhammad Speaks. “Only those who wish to be led to hell, or to their doom, will follow Malcolm,” Farrakhan wrote. “The die is set, and Malcolm shall not escape, especially after such evil, foolish talk about his benefactor; such a man is worthy of death and would have been met with death if it had not been for Muhammad’s confidence in Allah for victory over his enemies.”
Prior to Malcolm’s death, several former NOI members who had left the group were physically attacked, and in some cases murdered, by NOI members. Then on February 21, 1965, Malcolm X was killed in Harlem’s Audubon Ballroom by three gunmen with ties to the NOI.
As recently as 1993, Farrakhan tried to justify Malcolm X’s assassination when he said in a speech, “Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with [Malcolm] like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? A nation has to be able to deal with traitors and cutthroats and turncoats.”
In May 1995, however, Farrakhan spoke for the first time in repentant tones about the slaying, and he admitted to having “helped create the atmosphere” that led to it. “I may have been complicit in words that I spoke leading up to 21 February,” he said. “I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344288/posts
Co-sign!!
Just for people who may not click the link.
On the same page is says:
Minister Farrakhan used the term "dirty religion" to describe the practices of some Jews in the State of Israel. Reasonable people may argue that Moses would not condone Israelis who,
· develop nuclear weapons for apartheid South Africa
· put the Palestinians in, what Archbishop Desmond Tutu called, a state of apartheid
· train the Medelin drug cartel security forces
· train apartheid South Africa's military and police
· sell weapons to "terrorist states"
· torture those Palestinians they have illegally detained
· have implemented outwardly racist policies against dark-skinned Jews
Should these Israelis refer to themselves as Jews, one might say that they have "dirtied the religion" of Judaism. Minister Farrakhan regularly teaches that Muslim "big bellied sheiks who live in opulence when their people live in squalor are practicing a dirty religion." Christians that give the poor a Bible and then exploit their faith and take their natural resources, in the name of God, have dirtied the religion. TV evangelists who thrive off the faith of the gullible and the ignorant, have dirtied the religion. This concept is universal.
He never referred to "Judaism"
Please know this, the minister makes his speech every year, at the Savior's Day event. So the debate goes off on that tuesday.
So now what? Who bought the minister's words up?
Were they there? The minister never said "I am sending in my $2000.00!" What true black man doesn't know that both Farrakhan & Obama are in this for the same thing? The only thing that matters in this world is that America "OWNS UP" for all it is doing wrong,and that it stands up for everyman, woman, & child in America
And, if anyone has a problem with one man, speaking positive about his brother? Then that man is not a brother!
Stay Black
So now what? Who bought the minister's words up? Were they there? The minister never said "I am sending in my $2000.00!" What true black man doesn't know that both Farrakhan & Obama are in this for the same thing? The only thing that matters in this world is that America "OWNS UP" for all it is doing wrong,and that it stands up for everyman, woman, & child in AmericaAnd, if anyone has a problem with one man, speaking positive about his brother? Then that man is not a brother!
Stay Black
Farrakhan knew the reprussions of his words WAY before he said them. He knew that Obama would distance himself from him, as he should.
Obama is making a very great statement to America by publicly dismissing the favor of Farrakhan. Of course, this should all be understood.
As I said before, Farrakhan's comments could have hurt the campaign more than help it. I remember someone saying that we on BGOL are doing more harm to Obama's campaign than Farra...clearly that isn't the case.
HOWEVER, this could take a nice spin in favor of the Obama campaign, as it reflects the consistency of Obama's "Utopian" platform.
Props to Farra and Obama.
Obama is making a very great statement to America by publicly dismissing the favor of Farrakhan. Of course, this should all be understood.
As I said before, Farrakhan's comments could have hurt the campaign more than help it. I remember someone saying that we on BGOL are doing more harm to Obama's campaign than Farra...clearly that isn't the case.
HOWEVER, this could take a nice spin in favor of the Obama campaign, as it reflects the consistency of Obama's "Utopian" platform.
Props to Farra and Obama.
Farrakhan has as much weight in the black community as Tariq Nasheed.
That right I said it
Here is the 1984 NYTimes story on the "gutter religion" comment.
(Had to get it off Lexis cuz the Times wanted $4 for it.)
TAPE CONTRADICTS DISAVOWAL OF 'GUTTER RELIGION' ATTACK
The New York Times June 29, 1984, Friday, Late City Final Edition
SECTION: Section A; Page 12, Column 1; National Desk
LENGTH: 715 words
BYLINE: By E. R. SHIPP
DATELINE: CHICAGO, June 28
Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Black Muslim group called the Nation of Islam, continued tonight to deny referring to Judaism as a ''gutter religion,'' but a tape recording made available today by The Chicago Sun-Times contained that phrase in a sermon broadcast by Mr. Farrakhan last Sunday.
In an interview on the Cable News Network, Mr. Farrakhan said he had actually used the phrase ''dirty religion.'' He also said that he had voluntarily withdrawn from the Jackson campaign on May 5 and that he was ''not the least bit disturbed'' by the Rev. Jesse Jackson's disavowal of his remarks.
''It it will help him go to the convention and represent the 85 percent of the blacks who voted for him,'' Mr. Farrakhan said, ''then the rebuke or the repudiation is well worth it.''
Earlier, the Senate, by a 95-to-0 vote, passed a resolution condemning Mr. Farrakhan's remarks. Asked about the vote, Mr. Farrakhan said. ''And there is not one black senator, is there? My repudiation of the Senate carries more weight with God than their repudiation of me.''
Mr. Farrakhan could not be immediately reached for further comment.
'An Outlaw Act'
On Wednesday, in an interview with The Chicago Tribune, Mr. Farrakhan, while denying he made the offending remark about Judaism, acknowledged that he had referred to the creation of the state of Israel as ''an outlaw act.'' Mr. Farrakhan then reportedly said, ''I'm willing to pay $10,000 out of my pocket and offer my life if any person can prove that Louis Farrakhan made that kind of statement.''
In the speech Sunday, as recorded by a reporter for The Sun-Times, Mr. Farrakhan gave his version of biblical history and, in a recurring theme, accused Jews of rewriting the Bible to depict themselves as God's chosen people. In reality, he said, black Americans are the chosen of God.
Toward the end of that portion of his speech that was recorded, Mr. Farrakhan said: ''Now that nation called Israel never has had any peace in 40 years and she will never have any peace because there can be no peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your gutter religion under His holy and righteous name.''
Mr. Farrakhan addresses his followers nearly every Sunday afternoon in a spirited and wide-ranging sermon at the sect's national headquarters on Chicago's South Side. He is frequently interrupted by applause.
Most Journalists Barred
Last Sunday most journalists were barred from the proceedings, but a few black journalists, including the managing editor of The Chicago Defender, a black newspaper, were invited to attend. Several black journalists later met privately with Mr. Farrakhan.
The Sun-Times reporter, Don Hayner, was not allowed to attend, but he recorded the address as it was broadcast live over radio station WBEE. It was that tape that was made available today.
Mr. Farrakhan, 51 years old, said that his duty, as taught by Elijah Muhammad, a founder of the Black Muslim sect, was to ''expose the wickedness and lay it bare'' so that ''the people of this earth will never again be deceived by those who come in the name of God, cloaking themselves in the robes of God, but are in fact members of the synagogue of Satan.''
Attack Against Reporter
Mr. Farrakhan became the center of controversy earlier this year when in a speech he described Hitler as great. In that same broadcast, he made what has been interpreted as a threat on the life of a Washington Post reporter who disclosed that Jesse Jackson, the Democratic Presidential candidate, had referred to Jews as ''Hymies.''
Mr. Farrakhan is popular on the speaker's circuit among blacks, ranging from church groups to local chapters of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
While no one is quite sure of his following, he is believed to draw a large listening audience for his radio addresses, which are broadcast over black-oriented radio stations in several major cities.
In this city, the first hour of the Muslims' Sunday proceedings have been broadcast live over WBEE. This includes 10 to 20 minutes of preliminary remarks by Muslim fuctionaries, then Mr. Farrakhan's sermons. He sells tapes of his sermons for about $8.
(Had to get it off Lexis cuz the Times wanted $4 for it.)
TAPE CONTRADICTS DISAVOWAL OF 'GUTTER RELIGION' ATTACK
The New York Times June 29, 1984, Friday, Late City Final Edition
SECTION: Section A; Page 12, Column 1; National Desk
LENGTH: 715 words
BYLINE: By E. R. SHIPP
DATELINE: CHICAGO, June 28
Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Black Muslim group called the Nation of Islam, continued tonight to deny referring to Judaism as a ''gutter religion,'' but a tape recording made available today by The Chicago Sun-Times contained that phrase in a sermon broadcast by Mr. Farrakhan last Sunday.
In an interview on the Cable News Network, Mr. Farrakhan said he had actually used the phrase ''dirty religion.'' He also said that he had voluntarily withdrawn from the Jackson campaign on May 5 and that he was ''not the least bit disturbed'' by the Rev. Jesse Jackson's disavowal of his remarks.
''It it will help him go to the convention and represent the 85 percent of the blacks who voted for him,'' Mr. Farrakhan said, ''then the rebuke or the repudiation is well worth it.''
Earlier, the Senate, by a 95-to-0 vote, passed a resolution condemning Mr. Farrakhan's remarks. Asked about the vote, Mr. Farrakhan said. ''And there is not one black senator, is there? My repudiation of the Senate carries more weight with God than their repudiation of me.''
Mr. Farrakhan could not be immediately reached for further comment.
'An Outlaw Act'
On Wednesday, in an interview with The Chicago Tribune, Mr. Farrakhan, while denying he made the offending remark about Judaism, acknowledged that he had referred to the creation of the state of Israel as ''an outlaw act.'' Mr. Farrakhan then reportedly said, ''I'm willing to pay $10,000 out of my pocket and offer my life if any person can prove that Louis Farrakhan made that kind of statement.''
In the speech Sunday, as recorded by a reporter for The Sun-Times, Mr. Farrakhan gave his version of biblical history and, in a recurring theme, accused Jews of rewriting the Bible to depict themselves as God's chosen people. In reality, he said, black Americans are the chosen of God.
Toward the end of that portion of his speech that was recorded, Mr. Farrakhan said: ''Now that nation called Israel never has had any peace in 40 years and she will never have any peace because there can be no peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your gutter religion under His holy and righteous name.''
Mr. Farrakhan addresses his followers nearly every Sunday afternoon in a spirited and wide-ranging sermon at the sect's national headquarters on Chicago's South Side. He is frequently interrupted by applause.
Most Journalists Barred
Last Sunday most journalists were barred from the proceedings, but a few black journalists, including the managing editor of The Chicago Defender, a black newspaper, were invited to attend. Several black journalists later met privately with Mr. Farrakhan.
The Sun-Times reporter, Don Hayner, was not allowed to attend, but he recorded the address as it was broadcast live over radio station WBEE. It was that tape that was made available today.
Mr. Farrakhan, 51 years old, said that his duty, as taught by Elijah Muhammad, a founder of the Black Muslim sect, was to ''expose the wickedness and lay it bare'' so that ''the people of this earth will never again be deceived by those who come in the name of God, cloaking themselves in the robes of God, but are in fact members of the synagogue of Satan.''
Attack Against Reporter
Mr. Farrakhan became the center of controversy earlier this year when in a speech he described Hitler as great. In that same broadcast, he made what has been interpreted as a threat on the life of a Washington Post reporter who disclosed that Jesse Jackson, the Democratic Presidential candidate, had referred to Jews as ''Hymies.''
Mr. Farrakhan is popular on the speaker's circuit among blacks, ranging from church groups to local chapters of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
While no one is quite sure of his following, he is believed to draw a large listening audience for his radio addresses, which are broadcast over black-oriented radio stations in several major cities.
In this city, the first hour of the Muslims' Sunday proceedings have been broadcast live over WBEE. This includes 10 to 20 minutes of preliminary remarks by Muslim fuctionaries, then Mr. Farrakhan's sermons. He sells tapes of his sermons for about $8.
The problem with posting quotes is you can make them "appear" to say anything you want. Farrakhan explains that religion is not what you preach (claim), it is what you practice. Having said that, he says, many so-called jews use the name of god to do their dirty work...hence using the name of god to shield their dirty practice while claiming to be people of god. Just as the KKK claims to be christian people while lynching black people. Or, as white slavemasters claiming to be christian white murdering and enslaving millions of Africans. No different than people who sin Monday through Saturday, then think they can go to church on Sunday and its all good, they are good christian people.
It was a damn good speech if I say so myself....
It was a damn good speech if I say so myself....
how about the bbc...
Mr Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, appeared to concede in a television interview that he may have contributed to the 1965 assassination, which was carried out by three men with links to the group.
But in a later interview he strongly denied that his comments were intended as an admission of complicity in the murder.
Malcolm X, who backed a more moderate vision of black civil rights than the Nation of Islam's radical agenda, was shot dead in New York on February 21, 1965.
Where we are responsible, where our ends are a part of this, we beg God's mercy and forgiveness
Louis Farrakhan
Mr Farrakhan, who has been accused of anti-Semitism and racism, was deputy leader of the Nation of Islam at the time. He has always denied sanctioning the killing.
The new debate over his possible role came after he appeared on Sunday with Malcolm X's daughter, Atallah Shabazz, on the CBS television programme Sixty Minutes.
Mr Farrakhan publicly apologised to Ms Shabazz, and expressed regret that his words and writings may have "created an atmosphere" which led to the murder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/749116.stm
Am I the only one not feeling this ministers self congratulatory shtick? Sounds like this was away for him to capture some headlines and make himself relevant in this upcoming election cycle. If he really wanted to help, shouldn't he have chosen his words a bit wiser?
what words did you have a problem with? What did he say that was improper about Obama?
Smart man. This is exactly the point. These niggas are such sheeps and are so stupid that they can't see Farrakhan's con. Dumb ass niggas. Especially considering since Farrakhan has never done anything of substance for the black community. And no, that big ass cookout that he organized in DC years ago does not count.
I know what he said.
I do read what I post.
I do read what I post.
The problem with posting quotes is you can make them "appear" to say anything you want. Farrakhan explains that religion is not what you preach (claim), it is what you practice. Having said that, he says, many so-called jews use the name of god to do their dirty work...hence using the name of god to shield their dirty practice while claiming to be people of god. Just as the KKK claims to be christian people while lynching black people. Or, as white slavemasters claiming to be christian white murdering and enslaving millions of Africans. No different than people who sin Monday through Saturday, then think they can go to church on Sunday and its all good, they are good christian people.
It was a damn good speech if I say so myself....
elaborate please. white folks hate Min. Farrakhan
No offense, but you DONT know what he said, until you hear the tape yourself. Reading snippets from the media does not portray an accurate picture of what he actually said.
This has be discussed to death. The words "created an atmosphere" are true of both the NOI and Malcolm X. Even the people who where with him the day he died said so. Now I know you don't give a rats ass about any of that or Malcolm X.
Scared negros love running to Malcolm X for a reason to dis Farrakhan, when you're still every bit of the NIGGA Malcolm hated!!
I think my man meant to put "as" right here. I'm not a big Bible person but, I do remember that Jesus reprimanded the Jews for selling wares in a place of worship. In turn, they grew angry with him too. That's as far as I'm takin' it. I'm not a Bible scholar. I don't think the poster meant to write that Min. Farrakhan was condemning Jesus.
I was responding to your post.
I got the same sense of his meaning when I read it, so I "knew" what he said prior to your explication.
No need to get swamped in epistemology.
lol you must admit that its ironic that in America, a place thats suppose to be a great democracy, the place these terrorist hate "because of our freedoms", do we say, people should not speak. Its ironic at best.
Are you an idiot?
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