NASA Takes Aim at Moon with Double Sledgehammer

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Scientists are priming two spacecraft to slam into the moon's South Pole to see if the lunar double whammy reveals hidden water ice.
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The Earth-on-moon violence may raise eyebrows, but NASA's history shows that such missions can yield extremely useful scientific observations.

"I think that people are apprehensive about it because it seems violent or crude, but it's very economical," said Tony Colaprete, the principal investigator for the mission at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif.

NASA's previous Lunar Prospector mission detected large amounts of hydrogen at the moon's poles before crashing itself into a crater at the lunar South Pole. Now the much larger Lunar Crater and Observation Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) mission, set for a February 2009 moon crash, will take aim and discover whether some of that hydrogen is locked away in the form of frozen water.

LCROSS will piggyback on the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) mission for an Oct. 28 launch atop an Atlas 5 rocket equipped with a Centaur upper stage. While the launch will ferry LRO to the moon in about four days, LCROSS is in for a three-month journey to reach its proper moon smashing position. Once within range, the Centaur upper stage doubles as the main 4,400 pound (2,000 kg) impactor spacecraft for LCROSS.

The smaller Shepherding Spacecraft will guide Centaur towards its target crater, before dropping back to watch - and later fly through - the plume of moon dust and debris kicked up by Centaur's impact. The shepherding vehicle is packed with a light photometer, a visible light camera and four infrared cameras to study the Centaur's lunar plume before it turns itself into a second impactor and strikes a different crater about four minutes later.

"This payload delivery represents a new way of doing business for the center and the agency in general," said Daniel Andrews, LCROSS project manager at Ames, in a statement. "LCROSS primarily is using commercial-off-the-shelf instruments on this mission to meet the mission's accelerated development schedule and cost restraints."

Figuring out the final destinations for the $79 million LCROSS mission is "like trying to drive to San Francisco and not knowing where it is on the map," Colaprete said. He and other mission scientists hope to use observations from LRO and the Japanese Kaguya (Selene) lunar orbiter to map crater locations before LCROSS dives in.

"Nobody has ever been to the poles of the moon, and there are very unique craters - similar to Mercury - where sunlight doesn't reach the bottom," Colaprete said. Earth-based radar has also helped illuminate some permanently shadowed craters. By the time LCROSS arrives, it can zero in on its 19 mile (30 km) wide targets within 328 feet (100 meters).

Scientists want the impactor spacecraft to hit smooth, flat areas away from large rocks, which would ideally allow the impact plume to rise up out of the crater shadows into sunlight. That in turn lets LRO and Earth-based telescopes see the results.

"By understanding what's in these craters, we're examining a fossil record of the early solar system and would occurred at Earth 3 billion years ago," Colaprete said. LCROSS is currently aiming at target craters Faustini and Shoemaker, which Colaprete likened to "fantastic time capsules" at 3 billion and 3.5 billion years old.

LCROSS researchers anticipate a more than a 90 percent chance that the impactors will find some form of hydrogen at the poles. The off-chance exists that the impactors will hit a newer crater that lacks water - yet scientists can learn about the distribution of hydrogen either way.

"We take [what we learn] to the next step, whether it's rovers or more impactors," Colaprete said.

This comes as the latest mission to apply brute force to science.

The Deep Impact mission made history in 2005 by sending a probe crashing into comet Tempel 1. Besides Lunar Prospector's grazing strike on the moon in 1999, the European Space Agency's Smart-1 satellite dove more recently into the lunar surface in 2006.

LCROSS will take a much more head-on approach than either Lunar Prospector or Smart-1, slamming into the moon's craters at a steep angle while traveling with greater mass at 1.6 miles per second (2.5 km/s). The overall energy of the impact will equal 100 times that of Lunar Prospector and kick up 1,102 tons of debris and dust.

"It's a cost-effective, relatively low-risk way of doing initial exploration," Colaprete said, comparing the mission's approach to mountain prospectors who used crude sticks of dynamite to blow up gully walls and sift for gold. Scientists are discussing similar missions for exploring asteroids and planets such as Mars.

Nevertheless, Colaprete said they "may want to touch the moon a bit more softly" after LCROSS has its day.
 
WTF. This is over $100 billion project just waste

The discovery of water on the Moon or any other planet, moon or asteroid we go to explore opens several possibilities. Science is expensive, because sometimes it IS "rocket science"
 
The discovery of water on the Moon or any other planet, moon or asteroid we go to explore opens several possibilities. Science is expensive, because sometimes it IS "rocket science"

Even if we found water on the moon, what then? There's way better uses for that money down here. Let's try and get America and hell, the world as stable as possible, before we go trying to find water in space.

I mean, were they to, then what? We gonna colonize it? Not in our lifetime. I guarentee they'll wish they had that money in a couple years.
 
Even if we found water on the moon, what then? There's way better uses for that money down here. Let's try and get America and hell, the world as stable as possible, before we go trying to find water in space.

I mean, were they to, then what? We gonna colonize it? Not in our lifetime. I guarentee they'll wish they had that money in a couple years.

The discovery of water would better decide where one will start an off world base. Pure water isn't only for drinking, or growing plants to eat, but it can be used to make oxygen to breath, hydrogen for rocket fuel and even electricity.

I think we have more than enough money to do both and more at the same time. The will to do either is what is found lacking at times.
 
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watch this start some intergalactic war with the mole people living under the moons surface. talk about Star Wars.:rolleyes:
 
I don't give a shit how they spend their money. If they ask the feds to finance that shit, we got a problem.

-VG
 
Did anybody see The Time Machine (The last one)? Did NASA launch sometime at the moon and it caused the moon to break apart and fall to Earth?
 
We gonna fuck around and wake up one of these.

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Did anybody see The Time Machine (The last one)? Did NASA launch sometime at the moon and it caused the moon to break apart and fall to Earth?

No, they tried to create a space vacation retreat on the moon. The explosions from the exploration fractured it.
 
they better chill the hell out...what if some shit gets pissed off and kills the fuck out of us over this bullshit


act if you want, you DONT know if there is life out there. im convinced there is. im actually convinced there are double planets, where there may be another place in the universe that is identical to earth.
 
watch this start some intergalactic war with the mole people living under the moons surface. talk about Star Wars.:rolleyes:

Exactly however I am sure the government already alerted the mole people of what they gonna do and for them to go along with it for a fake alien invasion to bring in the NWO
 
they better chill the hell out...what if some shit gets pissed off and kills the fuck out of us over this bullshit


act if you want, you DONT know if there is life out there. im convinced there is. im actually convinced there are double planets, where there may be another place in the universe that is identical to earth.

No one is doubting life other than humans in the universe, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree there isn't any on the moon.

And how are you gonna use the words "convinced" and " may be" in the same sentence? Obviously you aren't too convinced. And wheres your evidence of this, lol, double planet theory.
 
they better chill the hell out...what if some shit gets pissed off and kills the fuck out of us over this bullshit


act if you want, you DONT know if there is life out there. im convinced there is. im actually convinced there are double planets, where there may be another place in the universe that is identical to earth.
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I'm more concerned about our tides. Y'all do know that the moon's distance from Earth is what makes us have higher tides, right? When the moon is closer to us, our waves are higher. Further away, less waves.

Remember in Bruce Almighty (since we're quoting fiction movies, lol) when he pulled the Moon closer to Earth, the next morning on the news they were talking about "freak tidal waves in India" or somewhere?

Fuck that, I'm buying a harpoon gun and some scuba gear. :smh:
 
No one is doubting life other than humans in the universe, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree there isn't any on the moon.

And how are you gonna use the words "convinced" and " may be" in the same sentence? Obviously you aren't too convinced. And wheres your evidence of this, lol, double planet theory.

i dont know. im just a crazy bastard.

i hope you didnt take that double planet shit seriously....

i think im the only person alive that thinks that:lol:
 
The Feds are where NASA get's it's money. It is part of the Govt. you know.

Actually NASA like the Post Office are private companies that have government protections. Because the feds have jurisdiction over what flies, what NASA can do is heavily regulated. But no, they are private organization.

-VG
 
Actually NASA like the Post Office are private companies that have government protections. Because the feds have jurisdiction over what flies, what NASA can do is heavily regulated. But no, they are private organization.

-VG

Thanks for the correction. They still get their money from the Feds. :)
 
does it even rain on the Moon? i doubt it.

You're right, no rain ... it's actually ice from either comet strikes or from the original formation of the Moon.

There are deep craters on Mercury (planet closest to the Sun) where the Sun's light and heat never touches that could also theoretically have water ice in them as well.

Then again ... the Sun's solar winds do rain charged particles onto the Moon's surface. Those charged particles of hydrogen could be reacting with the oxygen atoms/molecules bound in the soil of the Moon to make water. Very little water, but if it's been doing that for millenias there could be a good deal of water trapped in the soil.
 
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Did anybody see The Time Machine (The last one)? Did NASA launch sometime at the moon and it caused the moon to break apart and fall to Earth?

You know that was the first thing that popped in my mind when I read this story. I remember a few years ago there was a report of a huge explosion on the moon's surface.
 
shit is crazy. The elitee tryna eliminate folks if they succeed count out the coastal areas. Will gravity be affected?
 
shit is crazy. The elitee tryna eliminate folks if they succeed count out the coastal areas. Will gravity be affected?


I'm unsure about gravity being effected, but the axial tilt of the Earth would change if the Moon was destroyed. Not to mention I think our orbit may be thrown out of wack.
 
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