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And what's so bad about extinction? (See Mr. Tyson at the one minute mark.)
And what's so bad about extinction? (See Mr. Tyson at the one minute mark.)
Life Beyond Earth?
- Thread starter Costanza
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costanza said:
Message to all intelligent life forms in the universe.
A homicidal war mongering species of super advanced apes are going to be colonizing a world near you.
"OOOOH SNAP YO....."
An they will leave, my black ass, and Neil deGrasse Tyson's black ass on this shit hole of the Solar System they created.
You know how much Shuckin and shuffling being black, you'd have to do to get on that shuttle!
Fucking space Coon!
But I invite such a scenario, let them take all their asses on, and don't come back.
Bye bitches!
You know how much Shuckin and shuffling being black, you'd have to do to get on that shuttle!
Fucking space Coon!
But I invite such a scenario, let them take all their asses on, and don't come back.
Bye bitches!
Just saying... 100 years from now, I will be "extinct." In a few billion years (not exactly), the sun will die and life will be impossible. So extinction is in a way inevitable. What does it matter to us if it's 200 years from now, 600 years, a few thousand, or at the very end?
Why would it be so important for the race to live on via Mars, the Moon, or elsewhere?
Why would it be so important for the race to live on via Mars, the Moon, or elsewhere?
You are thinking extremely too far into the future. By that time our species may have destroyed themselves through warfare or has become a space faring species that has created vast colonies throughout the known universe. Death is inevitable, extinction is not. Especially if you have the means and methods to procreate your race. And if you continue to view time on a linear path genetics would have come an extremely long way by then and it's hard to imagine how sophisticated our knowledge of genetics would be by then, (100 years from now and more) for better or worse.
Not only do we have to worry about the sun dying in a few billion years but our solar system is going collide with Andromeda in a few billion years as well
costanza said:
Because every life form we're familiar with no matter how basic is driven by the need to survive. It's not that complicated.
not according to Michio Kaku. IF our civilization tranfroms to a type 1 society sky is the limit. From there our civilization can from type 2 or even type 3 societies and keep in mind that these type of societies, especially type 2 are to be considered immortals and can move their societies to other planets if threaten from a supernova. check it out. his video was posted a week ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHbnM_42mQE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHbnM_42mQE&feature=related
You are thinking extremely too far into the future. By that time our species may have destroyed themselves through warfare or has become a space faring species that has created vast colonies throughout the known universe. Death is inevitable, extinction is not. Especially if you have the means and methods to procreate your race. And if you continue to view time on a linear path genetics would have come an extremely long way by then and it's hard to imagine how sophisticated our knowledge of genetics would be by then, (100 years from now and more) for better or worse.
Not only do we have to worry about the sun dying in a few billion years but our solar system is going collide with Andromeda in a few billion years as well
Our species definitely has the potential (I'd even say the probability) of destroying itself independent of any natural occurances.
I guess what I was presenting was a best case scenario... I wasn't trying to represent it as the only one by any means.
"Driven by the need to survive."
I wouldn't call any scenario with me dead surviving. Even as far as the species goes, I really see no benefit to the endless perpetuation of our genes.
I also have to ask what need there is to survive. That's why I brought up the Sun; the clock seems as if it will run out eventually no matter what. We won't survive and apparently there is no need to.
Ah space Coons
the new American frontier
Man that shit made me LOL in real life...
And for Smoke...
FUCK DEM DUDES......
Haven't checked the video as of this reply, but I get what you're saying. I understand that our perception is not all that there may be.
But this "Deep Impact" scenario about the need for human life to survive, even beyond Earth, is commonly accepted and promoted based on our conventional understanding of life. I'm challenging it on that basis. People seem to see extinction as a bad thing with our current understanding of the world and more primitive past ones... I don't see the rationale.
200 years ago we didn't have electricity. Now look at us. Shit, by the time 3000 rolls around, people are gonna be fighting the gov for the right to marry some alien bitch they met.
Worried bout life beyond Earth!!
Most people on here can't imagine life beyond bgol...
Most people on here can't imagine life beyond bgol...
That need would likely come from a sky high population that would grow exponentially over the next few years causing natural resources to become depleted (barring no global epidemic, global catastrophe, or war).
costanza said:
Seriously, is life rough right now for you
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We had electricity thousands of years ago. Harnessed it and used it for powering purposes.
Who told you we didnt?
And I'm not understanding your rationale. What species knowingly wants to go extinct???
taz said:Man that shit made me LOL in real life...
And for Smoke...
FUCK DEM DUDES......
What dudes? The Space Coons who will be tap dancing during Minstrel shows on Space Stations?
I know what you meant, but signs of electricity being present in Earths distant past was discovered in Egypt.
And there is no need to cuss. I didn't sense that he was trying to make you look like a fool.
Okay, I'll give you that there could be a practical rationale for moving populations into space and I've always maintained a need for further understanding/research of both Earth and space so I get you with regard to natural resources.
You're basically framing it as a "need" in terms of helping what is, in your scenario, a current population, the same way I might talk about needing to help the people in Darfur. I can't argue against that.
But before you were talking about every species having a need to survive on an instinctual level, a need to propetuate the species. I don't see how that is a real "need" from the standpoint of someone who will be dead in 100 years and the inhabitant of a planet which eventually will reveal that inclination to be an impossibility.
Seriously, is life rough right now for you
Not particularly... In a much better place than a year ago and six months ago...
Life doesn't have to be rough to make you question its meaning. You sound like you're thinking along the lines of the stereotypical atheist who "can't believe" because he or she "got mad/is mad" at God.
None, but that's not really a fair question as most species don't seem to have a conceptualization of extinction.
We, on the other hand, have an ego-fueled fantasy that humans are going to exist forever and that the entire universe revolves around us when more than 99% of all species ever to live are now extinct.
Message to all intelligent life forms in the universe.
A homicidal war mongering species of super advanced apes are going to be colonizing a world near you.
"OOOOH SNAP YO....."
They warming us up Smoke
I think you're basing a lot of your opinions on how 'I would think' and not considering the motives of other people.
You have people (most notably geneticist) who are trying to unlock the secret to prolonging life. You also have people who are not selfishly thinking about life from a perspective of right now, but the lives of their children and grandchildren in the future.
Both of those are examples of people actively thinking about the perpetuation of themselves and their line.
People have different motives and not everyone thinks the same.
costanza said:
I didn't take your comment as if you were questioning life's meaning, I took it as if you had no aspirations in living life.
costanza said:
That is the last thing that crossed my mind. I was wondering if your psychological well being was still in balance, not whether or not you and God got entangled in fisticuffs.
it's good to hear that you're all right
No seems like my reptilian pic didnt appear. I was wondering when you were gonna post one.
I feel like you're generalizing here. Not all humans feel this way. Now it may seem that the people who are firmly planted in our governments or hold a high position of power feel this way. I don't agree that this equates to the rest of the population.
costanza said:
Yep, and yet life still finds a way.
No seems like my reptilian pic didnt appear. I was wondering when you were gonna post one.
I have the mini series of that show. People are not trying to hear me when I say some of this sci fi is based off reality.
When I saw They Live in its entirety that shit blew me away.
Oh the parallels.
Understood.
I have a sister who I love very much and I'm sure I'll have kids who I'll love, but looking six generations down the line, I don't really feel any connection to those people. They, in most cases, won't have any knowledge of (let alone regard for) their ancestors so many centuries removed.
I'm not a selfish person and I care about people all across this Earth... Because of that, it's hard for me to be anymore invested in a lineage that I'll never see anymore than I am the future human population in general.
No, I have definite aspirations. I just don't connect them to immortality and don't relly see the two as related.
If I only have one life to live, I'm going for it... But 600 years from now??? I just don't see the tragedy in the human species fading from the scene one day.
That is the last thing that crossed my mind. I was wondering if your psychological well being was still in balance, not whether or not you and God got entangled in fisticuffs.
it's good to hear that you're all right
What I meant was that many people who are believers look at athiests as angry or dusgruntled and don't really give them credit in that there could be intellectual reasons for their thinking.
I was drawing an analogy because I said "We won't survive and apparently there is no need to" in reference to the entire species and you then wondered if I had a personal problem.
I think it has a lot to do with religion, but I do think *most* people think/feel that way.
And it will without us.
I guess this is where you and me differ. I often wonder how humanity will fair in the distant future and I hope we put an end to our tribal warfare tendencies and take that next step on the evolutionary path physically and spiritually.
costanza said:
We also differ here as well. I don't believe we live only one life, instead we live many. And I'm not coming from a religious standpoint because I'm not religious at all. I believe we have reincarnated many times (no telling for how long) so that is probably why I view the future much differently than you do.
costanza said:
damn you're dark.
not the egyptians.. they just copied the batteries.. Those were the middle easterners.
Egyptians had filamented lights.. Thats HELLA advanced...
Think where lighting would be now, if that had carried over.
The dark ages literally were dark.
Religious right wing pressure and superstition killed many of the ancient advances.
Take Europe for instance. the romans had the most advanced methods of using water. They had working showers, toilets, saunas, fountains etc. Then Christians came along and called them heathens for wanting to be clean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet
Space is gonna be GREAT.. until some right wing nut comes along and does what right wing nuts do.
not the egyptians.. they just copied the batteries.. Those were the middle easterners.
Egyptians had filamented lights.. Thats HELLA advanced...
Think where lighting would be now, if that had carried over.
The dark ages literally were dark.
Religious right wing pressure and superstition killed many of the ancient advances.
Take Europe for instance. the romans had the most advanced methods of using water. They had working showers, toilets, saunas, fountains etc. Then Christians came along and called them heathens for wanting to be clean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet
It makes me wonder sometimes how our world would be if it wasn't for the limitations religions such as Christianity created.
I realize all civilizations rise and fall, but the existence of Christianity during that period of time stunted the growth and development of science in many areas.
taz said:Space is gonna be GREAT.. until some right wing nut comes along and does what right wing nuts do.
Man if we got to a point when we're in contact with other races of beings and we have colonizes all over various solar systems. My ass would NOT be coming back to Earth any time soon. To busy exploring
I know you know what I'm talking about
I picked the this quote in particular.. Constanza, because i feel the way you do on that note.
To me the family of humanity is more important than my direct lineage. Im old school Species survival over individual. So while my brother wants to have tons of kids, i'm happy with the one I have, I feel no urge to further the species, because of this lineage thing.
In essence, by having my child..depending on what her future holds. I've contributed to the survival of the race. I have no need to further it more thru bloodline.
In 200 years I'll be an afterthought, unless I do something extremely spectacular to be remembered. Which Im not seeking immortality. My Immortality will come once I pass on, I'll be separated from my humanity then.
Earthly cares will no longer plague me, unless i'm reincarnated, but I have higher after death aspirations.. (see my location
).Unless we leave earth and find our place in the Solar System, we will die out eventually or be plunged back into the dark ages. I think the dark ages will happen more likely. They seem to occur ever 2 thousand years or so.
but i feel no connection, nor love to humans that dont yet exist, generations from now.
I just hope they take whats decent and improve on what our race has built.
And remove what's not, so we can one day be apart of any galactic communities.
phew long read.
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