Why are Hispanics not voting Obama???

Although you tried to sound like you know what the hell you were talking about you still came out sounding like an ignorant fool, come bruh, get your shit together and...
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and stop making it seem like blacks are the victims here...

WHO ARE THE VICTIMS THEN? WHAT THE FUCK BLACKS EVER DO TO ANYONE IN AMERICA BEFORE THEY WERE TOOK FROM THEIR HOMELAND? A LOT OF ETHNICITIES HAVE GOT IT TOO YEA, I'M AWARE, FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS TO JEWS, BUT WE THE ONLY ONES STILL GETTING IT. WE DA ONES MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED BY COPS, TO GET EMPLOYED, TO GET PROFILED AND YOU SAY WE AIN'T VICTIMS? YOU NEED TO GET UP OUT THAT TWILIGHT ZONE U LIVING IN MA DUDE.:angry:
 
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Your answer to racism is to lower yourself to the level of a racist. I will never judge individuals based on the percieved actions or beliefs of a group. "Everyone" does not judge us as a collective whole; you are not even equipped to judge everyone if you choose to be blind to individuals and loyal to stereotypes.

It's true that some judge us as a group and I denounce those people for their ignorance. I don't join them because their entire belief system is based in error. I'm not saying we have to be Pollyanna-ish and pretend everything is perfect, but the best way to combat hatred and ignorance is not with more hatred and ignorance. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind-- I believe in lending vision and insight to a situation, not lowering myself to the standards of those whom I despise.




Do you really think that other people feel that black people fit the stereotypes???


People know if those stereotypes were to go away they would be faced with much more competition from the black man.


I am not naive.



It benefits others for us to live life trying to "enlight"others.

MLK tried to do it and they killed him.

Now they are using his name to do away with affirmative action.


My belief is that we need to hold everyone to the same standard.



No double standard.
 
But Hispanics are known to completely downplay there African heritage. Matter of fact in the Hispanic communities the darker the individual the worst your treated! Thats why Dominicans get such a bad rap in the Hispanic community.

:yes: YUP THAT IS TRUE. IN PUERTO RICO FOR INSTANCE, THE ISLAND IS DIVIDED WERE THE DARKER RICANS STAY ON A DIFFERENT PORTION OF THE ISLAND AND THE LIGHTER ONES STAY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IN SPANISH CULTURE, "DARK" AIN'T CONSIDERED SEXY, ASK ANY OF EM. i 'VE HAD A SPANISH CAT BLURT OUT SOME SHIT TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE WAS A KID HIS POPS USED TO TELL HIM BLACK AIN'T NOTHING COZ THEY GOT NO CULTURE:smh: SHIT SAD MEN.
 
What African heritage...some African blood maybe. They weren't victims of our slavery, they weren't involved with our civil rights movement, they weren't part of our struggle...how are they gonna relate to that and if they did we'd look at them like their crazy.

Hispanics have their own heritage and past that we don't. People need to stop forcing other ethnic groups to forget what they are to drop everything for us. We don't drop everything for them. Hell African immigrants & refugees don't even relate to Black Americans, a lot of Blacks from other countries don't relate to Black Americans and I don't expect them to.

The same Hispanics that talk bad about darker Hispanics equal the same amount of blacks that look down on dark skinned blacks. These other races do not hold some special racist/prejudice powers we don't have in us, we just don't see or refuse to see ours.​

I'm African and I disagree saying we don't relate, coz I do.
When they look at me all they see is Black. Aint no racist cop gonna wanna listen to me while I break down my ethnicity to him. I've beem locked up coz I yelled at a white lady who was yelling at me, I've fought Ricans who tried to jump me, who did jump me, I been called ****** countless times, a Spanish chick don told me she was scared what people would think if we went out to a movie, Man, if anything Africans get it worse because we aint just got Dark skinned, we're African. coz they feel we know were we from so they more thorough dealing with us/ we do.
Everytime an African comes to America, he's automatically bound to face the consequence of his "Skin" being his "Sin". It aint about ethnicity it's da SKIN:angry: That why I got mad rage because I aint ever dealt with nuthin like this in my life , and I aint gon deal with it or accept it.
The Black man is mad coz they were stolen or sold from their original place of origin and brought to a land were they're treated like shit. The black man didn't ask to be brought here, now he's here and this is what he gets? And still gets after all this time? Bruh I relate and i'm madder and angrier at that than u are:hmm:
 
:yes: YUP THAT IS TRUE. IN PUERTO RICO FOR INSTANCE, THE ISLAND IS DIVIDED WERE THE DARKER RICANS STAY ON A DIFFERENT PORTION OF THE ISLAND AND THE LIGHTER ONES STAY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IN SPANISH CULTURE, "DARK" AIN'T CONSIDERED SEXY, ASK ANY OF EM. i 'VE HAD A SPANISH CAT BLURT OUT SOME SHIT TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE WAS A KID HIS POPS USED TO TELL HIM BLACK AIN'T NOTHING COZ THEY GOT NO CULTURE:smh: SHIT SAD MEN.
What the fuck do you know about "Spanish Culture?" Was it something you saw in a movie? Turn the dvd player off. You CANNOT generalize all people. Truth be told, Latinos or "hispanics/spanish" people, are not the only people who discriminate against the "darker" ones in their population. Yeah, light skinned black folks never discriminate against darker skin people :hmm::rolleyes:
 
What the fuck do you know about "Spanish Culture?" Was it something you saw in a movie? Turn the dvd player off. You CANNOT generalize all people. Truth be told, Latinos or "hispanics/spanish" people, are not the only people who discriminate against the "darker" ones in their population. Yeah, light skinned black folks never discriminate against darker skin people :hmm::rolleyes:

Throw in India. The Indian people do the same. Point is this hate on Dark people is BuLLSHIT.

Its just an excuse to abuse a people. I can't wait for the Darker people in the Latino community wake up as blacks did in the United States and shake shit up like in the Civil Rights days. That day is soon approaching. More and more articles written about the treatment of Afro-Latinos are helping me to put two and two together. THE BULLSHIT IS WORLD WIDE.
 
Between you and Wallochamp, ya'll both sound like a bunch of Project bitches who got abused by hispanics, now you want to take it out on them by postin shit on the internet, yet you're scared to talk to them in person. Hispanics are mixed, you little bitches, love it or not, they deal with their issues. Focus on your own issues(child abuse, more than likely) and maybe you can become a better man/woman/men/women

YOU DICK SUCKIN BITCH.


Me, Afraid of Latinos? You spic or coon bitch ass nigga. ARE YOU CRAZY? Bitch, I will say it FOR THE LAST TIME. THEY ARE NOT ALLIES OR FRIENDS. IF you put your trust in them they will stab you in your mutha fucking back.

I am not afraid of shit. Where I come from Latinos know what brothas to fuck with and what brothas not to fuck with. They know I don't like most of them. I have told Latinos off many times saying that "nigga" shit. They know there distance with me.

My thing is that they are infesting everything and every section of programs enacted by laws that were meant to help African Americans, first. They are not thankful 4 shit but will BRAG & throw it in your face when they get it. They are not trying to share ANYTHING with or help the people who made it possible for them. Just look at how they are dissing Obama. WHEN IT COMES TO MEN NOT DATING THERE DAUGHTERS, IT'S ALWAYS BROTHAS THAT GET CALLED OUT FOR THEM TO STAY AWAY FROM. But we're running around looking for Black Brown unity, and favoring and fighting for illegals to stay here.

They are getting more benefit from Civil Rights & Affrimative Action than Black Americans. I almost lost housing to and because of Hispanics. I have lost jobs to Hispanics that I thought were cool but never returned the favor. These people carry the same racist beleifs that whites carry but Latinos are actually at times more racist. Fuck with their women or go into their businesses.

I past the shelters and I see that the majority of them in there are blacks. But illegals are getting subsidized housing...WTF!!! You are in favor of giving them subsidized housing!!! FUCK IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL OR ILLEGEL. Fool you should be talking about "GIVE HOMELESS BLACK AMERICANS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND SHOOLING".

Some of you may think that I just dislike Latinos FOR NO REASON. No. I was not raised that way. It's that I am reacting to the hate they have for us. I have heard, read, experienced this dislike that all Latinos have for blacks for years now.

All they see you as are pest, somebody they can use, somebody they can get over on, somebody they think they are better than, somebody's culture they can use, somebody they feel they are not man enough to be, and somebody who they want replaced for them to shine. If you just study them closely, you can see that many of them don't want anything to do with us. RACISM IS A PART OF THERE HERITAGE.

They are the sneakiest people I have ever met. They want to come in the hood, befriend blacks, then somehow replace blacks using their own sneaky manuvers. I see this from time to time. But many black people are dumb when it comes to LATINOS, for some reason.

Do you really think these people are thinking about your homeless, economic, social, and health situation? NO. Stop fuckin with them.

People like HARLEM PERV, KAYANATION, L7, 3RD DAY, and other cats are awaken.
 
YOU DICK SUCKIN BITCH.


Me, Afraid of Latinos? You spic or coon bitch ass nigga. ARE YOU CRAZY? Bitch, I will say it FOR THE LAST TIME. THEY ARE NOT ALLIES OR FRIENDS. IF you put your trust in them they will stab you in your mutha fucking back.

I am not afraid of shit. Where I come from Latinos know what brothas to fuck with and what brothas not to fuck with. They know I don't like most of them. I have told Latinos off many times saying that "nigga" shit. They know there distance with me.

My thing is that they are infesting everything and every section of programs enacted by laws that were meant to help African Americans, first. They are not thankful 4 shit but will BRAG & throw it in your face when they get it. They are not trying to share ANYTHING with or help the people who made it possible for them. Just look at how they are dissing Obama. WHEN IT COMES TO MEN NOT DATING THERE DAUGHTERS, IT'S ALWAYS BROTHAS THAT GET CALLED OUT FOR THEM TO STAY AWAY FROM. But we're running around looking for Black Brown unity, and favoring and fighting for illegals to stay here.

They are getting more benefit from Civil Rights & Affrimative Action than Black Americans. I almost lost housing to and because of Hispanics. I have lost jobs to Hispanics that I thought were cool but never returned the favor. These people carry the same racist beleifs that whites carry but Latinos are actually at times more racist. Fuck with their women or go into their businesses.

I past the shelters and I see that the majority of them in there are blacks. But illegals are getting subsidized housing...WTF!!! You are in favor of giving them subsidized housing!!! FUCK IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL OR ILLEGEL. Fool you should be talking about "GIVE HOMELESS BLACK AMERICANS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND SHOOLING".

Some of you may think that I just dislike Latinos FOR NO REASON. No. I was not raised that way. It's that I am reacting to the hate they have for us. I have heard, read, experienced this dislike that all Latinos have for blacks for years now.

All they see you as are pest, somebody they can use, somebody they can get over on, somebody they think they are better than, somebody's culture they can use, somebody they feel they are not man enough to be, and somebody who they want replaced for them to shine. If you just study them closely, you can see that many of them don't want anything to do with us. RACISM IS A PART OF THERE HERITAGE.

They are the sneakiest people I have ever met. They want to come in the hood, befriend blacks, then somehow replace blacks using their own sneaky manuvers. I see this from time to time. But many black people are dumb when it comes to LATINOS, for some reason.

Do you really think these people are thinking about your homeless, economic, social, and health situation? NO. Stop fuckin with them.

People like HARLEM PERV, KAYANATION, L7, 3RD DAY, and other cats are awaken.

:yes: NOW WE TALKING! THE VAIL, I MEAN THONGS ARE BEING PULLED FROM UNDER THESE DUDES, SOON THEY AIN'T GON HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OPENLY AGREE THAT YUP THEY AINT DOWN WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS. COZ I'D RATHER DEAL WITH AN ENEMY I KNOW THAN ONE CAMOFLAUGED INTO HIP-HOP, BLACK CULTURE, MEAN WHILE HE'S A MOLE OR PERPETRATOR SLICING UP MY BACK WITH A KNIFE.:angry:
 
What the fuck do you know about "Spanish Culture?" Was it something you saw in a movie? Turn the dvd player off. You CANNOT generalize all people. Truth be told, Latinos or "hispanics/spanish" people, are not the only people who discriminate against the "darker" ones in their population. Yeah, light skinned black folks never discriminate against darker skin people :hmm::rolleyes:

NO IT WAS SOMETHING I SAW ON MTV LATINO WHEN DADDY YANKEE AND SOME OTHER REGGAETON ARTIST WERE INTERVIEWED ...WHAT WAS THAT SEGMENT CALLED" MY HOOD" SOMETHING LIKE THAT...HA! HOW U LIKE THAT PUTO?:lol: AND I DON'T GENERALIZE, I'VE GOT PUERTO RICAN FRIENDS THAT I'VE EATEN DINNER WITH ON THEIR TABLE, IN THEIR HOUSE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN AT FIRST THEY DIDN'T PREJUDGE ME, OR DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR OVERALL FEELINGS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS.
 
NO IT WAS SOMETHING I SAW ON MTV LATINO WHEN DADDY YANKEE AND SOME OTHER REGGAETON ARTIST WERE INTERVIEWED ...WHAT WAS THAT SEGMENT CALLED" MY HOOD" SOMETHING LIKE THAT...HA! HOW U LIKE THAT PUTO?:lol:
:hmm: wow, I feel really insulted. BTW, congratulations on finally discovering the quote button. Now you don't look like an ass when you post:hmm:
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:damn u are ignorant as fuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccck. i guess u aint never been in LA




Bro, my motive for creating this thread was not division.

It was for us to shed some light on the challenges of winning the hispanic vote if they really believe we are one.

That's it.

A hispanic person has never done me any direct harm and I don't hate people. i may not like a person's ways but not the person themselves.



Snakes come in all colors.
 
yah. and for over a year you been debating with me
about supporting the brown. i hate to tell you this, but
i told ya.

no one gives a damn about us.
we need to stop trying to team with the brown.



I think it's possible that Kayanation had rude awakening like I did when I though we were all in the same boat.
 
YOU DICK SUCKIN BITCH.


Me, Afraid of Latinos? You spic or coon bitch ass nigga. ARE YOU CRAZY? Bitch, I will say it FOR THE LAST TIME. THEY ARE NOT ALLIES OR FRIENDS. IF you put your trust in them they will stab you in your mutha fucking back.

I am not afraid of shit. Where I come from Latinos know what brothas to fuck with and what brothas not to fuck with. They know I don't like most of them. I have told Latinos off many times saying that "nigga" shit. They know there distance with me.

My thing is that they are infesting everything and every section of programs enacted by laws that were meant to help African Americans, first. They are not thankful 4 shit but will BRAG & throw it in your face when they get it. They are not trying to share ANYTHING with or help the people who made it possible for them. Just look at how they are dissing Obama. WHEN IT COMES TO MEN NOT DATING THERE DAUGHTERS, IT'S ALWAYS BROTHAS THAT GET CALLED OUT FOR THEM TO STAY AWAY FROM. But we're running around looking for Black Brown unity, and favoring and fighting for illegals to stay here.

They are getting more benefit from Civil Rights & Affrimative Action than Black Americans. I almost lost housing to and because of Hispanics. I have lost jobs to Hispanics that I thought were cool but never returned the favor. These people carry the same racist beleifs that whites carry but Latinos are actually at times more racist. Fuck with their women or go into their businesses.

I past the shelters and I see that the majority of them in there are blacks. But illegals are getting subsidized housing...WTF!!! You are in favor of giving them subsidized housing!!! FUCK IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL OR ILLEGEL. Fool you should be talking about "GIVE HOMELESS BLACK AMERICANS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND SHOOLING".

Some of you may think that I just dislike Latinos FOR NO REASON. No. I was not raised that way. It's that I am reacting to the hate they have for us. I have heard, read, experienced this dislike that all Latinos have for blacks for years now.

All they see you as are pest, somebody they can use, somebody they can get over on, somebody they think they are better than, somebody's culture they can use, somebody they feel they are not man enough to be, and somebody who they want replaced for them to shine. If you just study them closely, you can see that many of them don't want anything to do with us. RACISM IS A PART OF THERE HERITAGE.

They are the sneakiest people I have ever met. They want to come in the hood, befriend blacks, then somehow replace blacks using their own sneaky manuvers. I see this from time to time. But many black people are dumb when it comes to LATINOS, for some reason.

Do you really think these people are thinking about your homeless, economic, social, and health situation? NO. Stop fuckin with them.

People like HARLEM PERV, KAYANATION, L7, 3RD DAY, and other cats are awaken.
Exactly !!! When I drive thru LA, I wonder how many of the homeless blacks I see had jobs and shit doing construction, janitorial services and other jobs that PAID A LIVING WAGE, only to see themselves knocked out due to the influx of these RACIST illegal Mexicans mofos, WHO showed up in GROVES to the hood and who bought those racist azz Mexican stamps with Menem Penguin or whatever the fuck his name was.

They will use blacks to further their agenda, but dump our asses when we are no longer needed. I don't understand why Black politicans like Maxine Waters can sit around with good conscience and let this shit continue unabated.
 
Do you really think that other people feel that black people fit the stereotypes???


People know if those stereotypes were to go away they would be faced with much more competition from the black man.


I am not naive.



It benefits others for us to live life trying to "enlight"others.

MLK tried to do it and they killed him.

Now they are using his name to do away with affirmative action.


My belief is that we need to hold everyone to the same standard.



No double standard.

I agree with that last sentiment. But the standard you are insisting on is the lower standard, the standard set by racist scum.

The first reply in this thread referred to "stupid spics." Good, honest, caring Mexican people who read the trash like that scattered throughout this thread probably take offense to that type of talk. Everyone should know better than to take anything written on the Internet too seriously, but there is a chance for blowback among the less intelligent or more emotional. (I mean no offense, but it would be just stupid to take something written on BGOL by a few dozen idiots as representative of black thought.) When you refuse to acknowledge individuals and just raise hell against groups, you risk alienating friends.

I know for a fact that there are plenty of Mexicans who get the picture and it's wrong to just paint notions of unity among these groups as a fairy tale. It makes the problem worse. It is unproductive. There is a way in which the issue of Hispanic support of Obama could be rationally introduced and this was not it. You also raise this a full week after the Nevada vote, which borders upon dwelling on the situation or beating a dead horse (or piñata, as the racist threads addressing this a week ago would have put it.)

Did you look at the Obama speech posted on the first page? As he says, nobody's hands are entirely clean and, as I've added, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. We have people here contributing nothing but ignorance about "spics" and tacos and all that shit but it's the worst sin in the world when two Mexicans call someone a "n*gger" and threaten him. Racism, for a lot of people, starts over small things that individuals do and they then project that feeling upon an entire group. There exist ignorant black people who are worthless pieces of shit, just as there are ignorant white people who are worthless pieces of shit and ignorant Mexican people who are worthless pieces of shit. In not one of these cases does the action of one person reflect on me, you, or anyone but that ignorant piece of shit. Yet, someone will want to gouge my eye out because someone who looked like me did that to them. If I adopted that same lower standard, I would continue the cycle of hatred, ignorance, and prejudice. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. It is crucial to judge people as individuals. That does not mean ignoring the human garbage out there. It means giving other people the same respect you deserve as a human being, which is to be judged by your own actions and expressions. It is a more productive approach and it is more fair.
 
Exactly !!! When I drive thru LA, I wonder how many of the homeless blacks I see had jobs and shit doing construction, janitorial services and other jobs that PAID A LIVING WAGE, only to see themselves knocked out due to the influx of these RACIST illegal Mexicans mofos, WHO showed up in GROVES to the hood and who bought those racist azz Mexican stamps with Menem Penguin or whatever the fuck his name was.

They will use blacks to further their agenda, but dump our asses when we are no longer needed. I don't understand why Black politicans like Maxine Waters can sit around with good conscience and let this shit continue unabated.

Ya know, I have never been out to the LA or the West Coast. What is Los Angeles like? Is it cool to visit? What are the hot spots? What time do the clubs close? Is it all hype, that we see on TV?
 
Between you and Wallochamp, ya'll both sound like a bunch of Project bitches who got abused by hispanics, now you want to take it out on them by postin shit on the internet, yet you're scared to talk to them in person. Hispanics are mixed, you little bitches, love it or not, they deal with their issues. Focus on your own issues(child abuse, more than likely) and maybe you can become a better man/woman/men/women



You MUST be Hispanic because your taking this topic the hardest out of everybody!!! All I'm saying is Hispanics are good enough to live in the projects with us, wait in line for government cheese with us, and take our money at the bodega's. But when it comes down to making a social impact and change for the better they run to the corner of the Christian white man??? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!







P.S.- TELL FAT JOE STOP USING THE FUCKING "N" WORD....SHIT OFFENDS ME!
 
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Ya know, I have never been out to the LA or the West Coast. What is Los Angeles like? Is it cool to visit? What are the hot spots? What time do the clubs close? Is it all hype, that we see on TV?
LA is like heaven and hell at the same time, LOL. Clubs close at 2ish. Hoes are off the chain out here (gotta find the right ones and areas, though). Is it all hype. Yes and No. There are several "types" of LA. The city, hell the entire county is so large and spread out and there are so many micro-cultures here, that it aint funny. What you see on TV is true to some extent, BUT that's only a very small percentage of this area. Most of the people don't live like you see on TV. Yes, its a nice place to visit, but I don't go to the touristy places and tend to stay away, since I'm a local.
 
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Hmm, let's see now, how many variations of this same fucking thread have I repeatedly encountered on this board:

African immigrants think that they're better than us, waah waah waah.
Carribean Blacks think that they're better than us, waah waah waah.
Hispanics think that they're better than us, waah waah.

Maybe what a lot of you ignorant clowns need to do is take a serious look at who us is.

I can tell he number of times I've seen some shit like:

"Fuck those [chinks, ricans, indian, etc, etc,] bitches, they don't fuck with brothas."

"Nah, bro, I can tell you first hand it's not that way... yadda yadda."​


It's too many ignorant clowns and losers out there and on here charging their own failures to "blackness" like it was a fucking company credit card.

Here's a clue, if Mexicans, of all people, or any other minority you encounter seem to think that they're better than YOU then they're probably right. Enough of these waste of space threads.

 
It has to do with education,and many immigrants that come to the US are NOT educated.In mexico racism thrives,and they immigrate here to the US carrying that racism.This is why,i support a law that states that EVERY immigrant that wants to be a citizen here goes to school to get educated in Sociology and race relations,BEFORE having all the children that they do,and breeding MORE racism.This is of course just another setup by white supremacists,they know mexicans are catholics and do not believe in condoms and have a lot of children.They have all these children and propell racism and division between black and brown,when they immigrate here.

hmmm let the truth be stated..the mexicans dont give a shit about other hispanics and if you really dig deep they are planning to be the dominate hispanice group!!!...
this is where all the tension is as the porto ricans et al and mexicans are clashing for political power!!!..
 
Obama is the one to blame here! His got to do a better job of reaching out to Hispanic voters!
The boarder issues are not the only issues Hispanics are concern about!
Mr Obama must use some plays from the BUSH 2000 campaign's play book! When trying to reach Hispanic voters!

Hispanic in the south tend to be social conservative!
However on the West Coast and East Coast they tend to be liberal!
 
bottom line is latins and messkins prefer to be associated with being white than black. they use their "they are hard workers" slogan to appeal to whites so whites can say they are more dependable, work harder and all that other bullshit than blacks, when....if they would look at it in reality...(takes deep breathe) they fact that they sell themselves to the LOWEST bidders for work, volunteer for slave wages and slave jobs, and pop out kids like a broken pinata, they look worse than us any day. Go to florida and Cubans fuckin despise black people. Blacks dont even really live in or near Miami. Nobody is generalizing shit, it;'s just fact. Messkins are mules to white people, they don't like them, they just like that they don't have to pay, respect or care for them. THAT'S WORD!!!!!
 
a DIFFERENT OBSERVATION

Why Clinton can count on Latinos
More than a decade of name recognition and ties to prominent Latino politicians give her an edge over Obama.
By Harry P. Pachon and Rodolfo O. de la Garza
January 30, 2008
Hillary Clinton is doing extraordinarily well among Latino voters, compared with rivals Barack Obama and John Edwards. According to a Times/CNN/Politico poll Tuesday, she's running 2 to 1 ahead of Obama among California Latinos. In the Nevada caucuses, exit polls indicated that she received roughly two out of three Latino votes. Nationally, polls show only a slightly lower level of support. These findings are particularly significant because Latino voters in the general election are projected to total over 9 million, most concentrated in states rich in electoral college votes, such as California and New York, or in key "swing" states, such as New Mexico and New Jersey, in which past voting patterns show that it only takes a small percentage of the Latino vote to push a candidate's totals up or down.

Pundits are explaining the failure of Obama to ignite the allegiance of the majority of the Latino electorate to date in terms of anti-black prejudices. But there are better explanations.

First, and most obvious, is the name recognition that the Clintons enjoy in the Latino community. Bill Clinton was the first president to have two Latino Cabinet members serve simultaneously. Moreover, during the Clinton years, rising economic tides lifted Latino boats along with many others. Even at the height of the impeachment controversy, polls by the Tomás Rivera Policy Institute indicated that Clinton had a 70% approval rating among Latino voters. In contrast, Obama is a relatively new face and voice for all but Illinois Latinos.

Perhaps more significant, Hillary Clinton has done her homework by gaining early endorsements from Latino leaders who have demonstrated influence among their constituencies. Five of the seven Latino congressional representatives in California are on her side. In addition, nationally recognized politicians , such as L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Henry Cisneros, a former San Antonio mayor and U.S. housing secretary, have endorsed Clinton. California Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez and Raul Yzaguirre, who for 30 years headed the National Council of La Raza, are national co-chairmen of her campaign. Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton's campaign manager, is the first Latina to run a presidential campaign.

History is one reason why Clinton has such a strong stable of Latino supporters. Many of her endorsers, such as Cisneros, established or consolidated their political networks during President Clinton's two terms. When younger Latino politicians look at the Clinton campaign organization and ask "What Latinos are in your campaign?" they see well-known, influential faces at the top and at the state and local levels. In contrast, Obama's campaign has few such stars.

Second, and contrary to machismo stereotypes, Latinos have no problem voting for a woman for high public office. Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina and Reps. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-East Los Angeles), Loretta Sanchez (D-Garden Grove), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) and Nydia M. Velazquez (D-N.Y.) are just a few examples of many breakthrough "female firsts" for Latinos in politics.

In short, Clinton has a decade and a half of experience and ties to prominent Latinos in the regions where most Latinos live. Obama has just two years in national public office and a political base in the Midwest. In his home state of Illinois, Latino voters are about 5% of the electorate. Compare this to the Southwest or Northeast, where Latino voters make up about 18% and 8% respectively.

Undoubtedly some Latinos, like some members of every racial and ethnic group in the U.S., will cast their votes on the basis of race. For the majority of Latinos, however, it is the political calculus of long-established relationships combined with early outreach and the support of community influentials that are most likely to carry the day.

Harry P. Pachon is a professor at the School of Policy, Planning and Development at USC and president of the Tomás Rivera Policy Institute. Rodolfo O. de la Garza is a professor at the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University and vice president for research at the institute.
 
Hmm, let's see now, how many variations of this same fucking thread have I repeatedly encountered on this board:

African immigrants think that they're better than us, waah waah waah.
Carribean Blacks think that they're better than us, waah waah waah.
Hispanics think that they're better than us, waah waah.

Maybe what a lot of you ignorant clowns need to do is take a serious look at who us is.

I can tell he number of times I've seen some shit like:

"Fuck those [chinks, ricans, indian, etc, etc,] bitches, they don't fuck with brothas."

"Nah, bro, I can tell you first hand it's not that way... yadda yadda."​


It's too many ignorant clowns and losers out there and on here charging their own failures to "blackness" like it was a fucking company credit card.


Here's a clue, if Mexicans, of all people, or any other minority you encounter seem to think that they're better than YOU then they're probably right. Enough of these waste of space threads.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
hmmm let the truth be stated..the mexicans dont give a shit about other hispanics and if you really dig deep they are planning to be the dominate hispanice group!!!...
this is where all the tension is as the porto ricans et al and mexicans are clashing for political power!!!..

This too is true.
 
I normally try to read all post before responding but I am quickly losing my capacity to absorb the downright brutal negativity, hatred, intolerance, and ignorance. You can't judge a person by his/her race, color, nationality, etc etc etc etc etc, no easier that you can judge a book by its color.

PERIOD

I know BLACK folk that WON'T vote for Obama because he is black. I know FEMALES that WON'T vote for Hillary because she's FEMALE. ALL dark people of the world have been subjected to significant self hate generating conditioning and brainwashing. This is a method of control and domination. Anyone who knows anything about history is well aware of this. When we speak of divide of conquer, what could be more effective than turning all of the subgroups of Black and Brown against each other. Until we ALL start viewing each other with much more compassion and understanding, we are ALL doomed to live as 2nd class citizens. We have to learn about each other's HIstories and gain compassion and understanding of where the other is coming from. We were ALL tricked into forgetting that we're brothers.

Evil, Ugliness, & Ignorance know no color. Neither does Goodness, Beauty, & Knowledge. It's 2008. if we still believe that we can judge a person by something as superficial as race, color, ethnicity, etc etc etc, then we have A LOT of growing up to do. Until we do, we are missing out on so much beauty, peace, and happiness.

Love ya all, please open your eyes.


PEACE


We can kill each other for the crumbs, or we can work together to take the pie.
 
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