Maya Angelou endorses Hillary Clinton with a silent diss towards Obama

[audio syndicate]

So the prison industrial complex does not exist? The billions that come from that industry(the largest industry in South Carolina is prisons btw - just a sidenote) dont drive the legislation that people like your boy Bill signed into law?
The drugs are manufactured in OUR communities?

Bullshit.

What movements were created by the supposedly honestly concerned black president to thwart the cyclical poverty, criminality and under-education? Oh that's right, not a fuckin one.

He was so concerned about the problem he helped put thousands of black people in prison so that white men could earn more money all the way around.

I don't believe Obama will be any better, but I pray that maybe he will.

All this we and our shit youre talking suggests OUR community is an island unto itself, devoid of external influence or mitigating circumstances.

That's fucking bullshit.





So you think no outside influences step into the socio-economic situations in poor black communities? What rock do you live under? Crawl out sometime and read about Cointelpro and other efforts government institutions have undertaken to destroy the leadership cadre in the communities you claim have victimized themselves.
Your approach to explaining the social ills of blacks in relation to drugs is beyond misguided. It is self serving bullshit put forward to serve the defense of millionaire racist coward politicians and their black minions.





So, if "WE ARE NOT THE WORLD POLICE" why did Clinton's administration bomb Iraq, send troops to Somalia, send troops to Kosovo and bomb the shit outta Kosovo, bomb innocent Sudanese etc ?

Another failed justification of a racist white politician's bullshit agenda.




700,000 Iraqi dead for Bush
1,000,000 dead Iraqi Children under Clinton (look up depleted uranium)
unknown Kosova Death toll for Clinton ( I can find it though if you need it)



You muthafuckas are real pieces of work. All those lies to believe in a white millionaire scumbag who likes fuckin black chicks?

Fuck the Clintons and their apologists.

do you REALLY wanna take it there with me?

point by point, let's go...

makk, if you want to be an apologist for drug dealers and drug users, that's your problem and your consequence

that's why we're in such fucked up shape right now because we're apologist and excuse makers when WE dont control our own.

the prison industrial complex was actually developed during the reagan/bush 1 period (maybe you're not old enough to remember that)

the we and OUR i'm talking does indeed suggest we are an island into our own, why? because our issues are uniquely ours and the solutions are uniquely ours to discover. We have a tremendous amount of outside factors and all of them are fucked up, but what are you going to do? play victim, change the situation or work within what you have? you can talk about what resources you don't have or what somebody's doing to you all day, but we'll stay in this victim mentality and not help ourselves (bill cosby was right, i don't care what anybody says)

let me make this perfectly clear, i'm neither hillary supporter or opponent, nor do i think bill clinton was the first black president (there have been a number of black presidents before hand, but that's not the point)

what i do know and strongly believe is that people in this thread are extremely forgetful that our nation actually thrived at one point. give credit where it's due

i'm sorry you're a victim, i choose and refuse NOT to be. If we made full-on efforts to eliminate the drug trade in our communities, who would stop us? We would! why? because it's not cool to do that, it's not the "in" thing to do. stop making excuses for the worst of us.

you know why our poorest communities stay poor? it's not because of lack of resources, it's a generational cyclical mentality that WE can only be what we are at the current. i used to make excuses too, until one day i realized you can only help those who want help.

so with your flawed logic, if i'm poor in the hood, it's okay for me to sell drugs to my people? because the government has secret programs and the drug sentencing is racist? get the fuck out of here!!

As far as clinton bombing iraq, parts of africa or anywhere else. HOW MANY US TROOPS DIED? that's the point, not 4,000 in an unjustified war that's for damn sure.

The bottom line is, is the world better off with Obama or Clinton or Edwards or Romney or McCain or Paul or Huckabee? That's what we'll find out in January

anything else, shut the fuck up about

 

[KingAddies]

I can't front. I've lost some respect for her.

Maxine Waters I can see for Bill pulling some strings for her in the past.

But Maya Angelou?

I know Oprah is hurt.

She's looking out for who looked out for her. Clinton revitalized that career when she recited a poem for his inauguration. After that she was everywhere. She even had a couple quotes and a walk on in Poetic Justice. Before that you had to know what you were looking for if you wanted a Maya Angelou poem - have that ISBN and the Dewey Decimal number handy.

 

[BigUnc]

I'm gonna say this again.

No matter where i run into Obama supporters at it's the same. They are some of the most whiny, immature, thin skinned people I've ever met in my life. I'm including friends and family in this group. I don't know what the fuck happened to the thoughtful and intelligent black people I know personally that have drank the kool-aid while looking at the light but I'll be glad when it's over.

 

[dacrazydeafdawg]

Maya Angelou aint relevant in today time... beside i hear she got some $$$ to endorse the Clinton and let us no forget she did some poem that she stole from a book at Clinton's swearing in when he first got to DC.....


And dont forget Oprah is one of Maya's friend...

lol this white boy at work was telling me that Clinton and Obama are both radical and i knew this mofo was a republican lol.....he said it doesnt matter cuz he know Mccain is gonna win it....

I said wait till u see whom the VP gonna be.......

 

[Makak69]

she's inspired alot of black men too - she's a black cultural icon but her actions are not cool with me and definitely worth criticism taking into account the political climate her friends created over the past few weeks

she aint nowhere near MLK status. He was murdered for trying to free us. She writes poems.

QFMFT

 

[Laughing Man]

What's hard for me to understand is that all these civil rights legends (Andrew Young, Angelou, etc.) seem to be backing Clinton. It's ironic that people who fought for our advancement are supporting the Clinton's (whom may have did more then most whites, still few short) instead a progressive, intellegent black that's a role model. Could be favors earned are favors returned or Obama has no role for them in his adminastration.

 

[Makkonnen]

do you REALLY wanna take it there with me?

point by point, let's go...

Ummmm You do know that point by point means you will address the points I made one by one right?
That isn't what you did.

makk, if you want to be an apologist for drug dealers and drug users, that's your problem and your consequence

Did you counter my argument that there is blame to be shared? Nope. My stating, accurately, that the drug problems that plague our communities and others have other factors that lay beyond the scope of the individual or black communities does not make me an apologist for drug abuse or sales. It makes me a realist, something you clearly are not.

that's why we're in such fucked up shape right now because we're apologist and excuse makers when WE dont control our own.

speak for yourself

the prison industrial complex was actually developed during the reagan/bush 1 period (maybe you're not old enough to remember that)

Yet your boy saw fit to shovel more negroe bodies into it.

the we and OUR i'm talking does indeed suggest we are an island into our own, why? because our issues are uniquely ours and the solutions are uniquely ours to discover. We have a tremendous amount of outside factors and all of them are fucked up, but what are you going to do? play victim, change the situation or work within what you have? you can talk about what resources you don't have or what somebody's doing to you all day, but we'll stay in this victim mentality and not help ourselves (bill cosby was right, i don't care what anybody says)

There you go. You're finally admitting there are forces beyond our own at play. Just because I accurately state the situation's details, taking into account things you previously refused to recognize does not make me complacent or defeatist or a victim. It only makes me a person countering the argument that Bill Clinton actually gives a fuck about black people.

let me make this perfectly clear, i'm neither hillary supporter or opponent, nor do i think bill clinton was the first black president (there have been a number of black presidents before hand, but that's not the point)

OK - my bad
that last point is another discussion

what i do know and strongly believe is that people in this thread are extremely forgetful that our nation actually thrived at one point. give credit where it's due

???????????
That is all relative. If you are multigenerationally empoverished that's a load of shit. If you are a victim of the oppression that fed that "thriving nation" then you also might have a problem with giving "credit where its due"

i'm sorry you're a victim,

Im sorry you can't comprehend english.

i choose and refuse NOT to be. If we made full-on efforts to eliminate the drug trade in our communities, who would stop us? We would! why? because it's not cool to do that, it's not the "in" thing to do. stop making excuses for the worst of us.

wtf? You're a victim alright. You're a victim of willful ignorance. You say "If we". Since you refuse to seriously go point by point I will bring up again the lack of leadership. Why is there a leadership vacuum?
Drugs do not only effect our communities. They don't even get abused in our communities the most- white middle class drug users make up the majority of abusers, but those people are not criminalized- black people are.
Why aren't white middle class drug abusers destroying their communities? Cuz they arent in fucking jail smarto.

you know why our poorest communities stay poor? it's not because of lack of resources, it's a generational cyclical mentality that WE can only be what we are at the current. i used to make excuses too, until one day i realized you can only help those who want help.

Wow. Hopefully one day you will learn more and understand the error of your ways.

so with your flawed logic, if i'm poor in the hood, it's okay for me to sell drugs to my people? because the government has secret programs and the drug sentencing is racist? get the fuck out of here!!

You obviously can't read correctly. Please quote me saying that. Those are your words not mine. Was my point that the illegal drug trade is morally acceptable due to any outside influences on its existence? Or that there is more than one aspect to solving the problem and that the problem cannot be solved at the end of the process?
Cmon man, no need to be dishonest. Either quote me accurately or don't. You obviously aren't winning this argument with fictional citations and make believe socio-political environments.

As far as clinton bombing iraq, parts of africa or anywhere else. HOW MANY US TROOPS DIED? that's the point, not 4,000 in an unjustified war that's for damn sure.

WTF? so its all good as long as he didnt murder people in this country? Please refrain from making moral judgements about drug dealers with ethics like that. You sound like a Nazi.

The bottom line is, is the world better off with Obama or Clinton or Edwards or Romney or McCain or Paul or Huckabee? That's what we'll find out in January

anything else, shut the fuck up about

Bitch please. Your argument is garbage. Your analysis is frail. Your attempts at rebuttal, worthless. Take your own advice and STFU when grown intelligent folk are talking.

 

[Makkonnen]

No it's not

You think her coming out for Billary in June is no different than doing it now after what Billary just did? I see a big difference.

 

[audio syndicate]

i don't think its worth even worth responding to, but since you put your thinking man's hat on, let me make my fam some dinner and i'll be back to smack you up a bit

wait..you know what? we shouldn't even be taking it here, keep the insults to a minimum and we can go at it until i go to sleep..

but hold tight

 

[Makkonnen]

Maya Angelou aint relevant in today time... beside i hear she got some $$$ to endorse the Clinton and let us no forget she did some poem that she stole from a book at Clinton's swearing in when he first got to DC.....


And dont forget Oprah is one of Maya's friend...

lol this white boy at work was telling me that Clinton and Obama are both radical and i knew this mofo was a republican lol.....he said it doesnt matter cuz he know Mccain is gonna win it....

I said wait till u see whom the VP gonna be.......

Lieberman?

 

[Makkonnen]

i don't think its worth even worth responding to, but since you put your thinking man's hat on, let me make my fam some dinner and i'll be back to smack you up a bit

wait..you know what? we shouldn't even be taking it here, keep the insults to a minimum and we can go at it until i go to sleep..

but hold tight

Hey I tried to keep it copacetic but you came out with the STFU. If you didn't want to take it there you shouldn't have gone there.

Im bout to eat too.

Hey man dont even bother responding if youre gonna make shit up and pretend im on some shit im not. You can of course but I wont bother replying. If you really think the way your last post reflects I dont see any point in having the discussion anyway.

 

[Costanza]

Hey...it's just my opinion. We all have the right...right????

Yes, you have a right to your opinion. But people throw up the word opinion like the word scripture, as if to say "I have my opinion and no matter how dumb it's proven to be, it's engraved in stone and stands as my opinion." If you have that attitude, as many do, I can't change your mind. It's definitely your right to be thick-headed, stubborn, and not to learn from mistakes. It doesn't make it smart.

I was just giving you reasons as to why your opinion seemed rash and overdone to me. Maya Angelou hasn't done anything that I know of to deserve the "ASS" stamp and, since I first saw that done with Bob Johnson (rightfully so IMO; I even had it as my avatar for a week or two), I was just pointing out the difference.

You can hold the opinion that the world is flat and dinosaurs never existed if you want-- it won't bother or affect me. But YOU will be better off if you allow your opinions to be subject to criticism and maybe even change some of them (as I have and do).

 

[BlkStrength]

Alot of people don't understand, alot of these old civil rights participants, leaders ...Andy Young, Angelou, JJackson, John Lewis...etc have been sold to the highest bidder. Eventhough I respect what they have done, that does not mean they should forever remain on a pedestal. Even MLK didn't want to be on a pedestal. Hosea Williams used to say MLK would be highly disappointed as to what his legacy has become and how those he used to march with have changed.

She has a right to vote for whomever she likes...but when you put it out in public, the reasons will be scrutinized.

 

[bigblackafrica]

oh well

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[Costanza]

He was good internationally, but he fucked up with Rwanda, Somalia and the early stages of Sudan (dude honestly didn't give a RATS ASS about what went on in Africa, but he policed the rest of the world).

He was good domestically, but he fucked up with NAFTA (which is currently UNDOING all the good he did for the middle class) and racially biased sentencing laws.

It's about more than just ME because things I don't give a shit about can end up affecting me in the long run. Being all about self can end up being pretty damned short sited.

Definitely. Rwanda, Bill Clinton claimed, was the biggest mistake of his presidency; when I saw Hillary Clinton say last March that even if Iraq descended into ethnic cleansing she was still getting "our boys" out of there, she got a big "fuck you" from me." Also, for all the talk of experience, I know they said one thing while running for office in 1992 with regard to Somalia and then got in office and learned that to be unfeasible, so I don't put that much stock in campaign rhetoric from that camp, meaning that her pandering on Iraq means nothing to me.

 

[Muddy Waters]

Yes, you have a right to your opinion. But people throw up the word opinion like the word scripture, as if to say "I have my opinion and no matter how dumb it's proven to be, it's engraved in stone and stands as my opinion." If you have that attitude, as many do, I can't change your mind. It's definitely your right to be thick-headed, stubborn, and not to learn from mistakes. It doesn't make it smart.

I was just giving you reasons as to why your opinion seemed rash and overdone to me. Maya Angelou hasn't done anything that I know of to deserve the "ASS" stamp and, since I first saw that done with Bob Johnson (rightfully so IMO; I even had it as my avatar for a week or two), I was just pointing out the difference.

You can hold the opinion that the world is flat and dinosaurs never existed if you want-- it won't bother or affect me. But YOU will be better off if you allow your opinions to be subject to criticism and maybe even change some of them (as I have and do).

Now, there you go calling me names and shit because I stated my opinion, and I don't agree with you. It's good to see you're so open minded. Post your two cents and STFU! Preachin' Ass Negros like you need to start walking the walk instead of talking all that bullshit you preach about. If you knew how to have an intelligent conversation or debate...maybe you could sway some minds. But, you obviously lack the conversational skills needed...so, I'm done with you.

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[Costanza]

As far as clinton bombing iraq, parts of africa or anywhere else. HOW MANY US TROOPS DIED? that's the point, not 4,000 in an unjustified war that's for damn sure.

Wow... I won't even address the other idiocy in your post, but this is astounding heartlessness.

You really think no other lives have value except for those who signed up for war? The innocents don't matter???

 

[Costanza]

Now, there you go calling me names and shit because I stated my opinion, and I don't agree with you. It's good to see you're so open minded. Post your two cents and STFU! Preachin' Ass Negros like you need to start walking the walk instead of talking all that bullshit you preach about. If you knew how to have an intelligent conversation or debate...maybe you could sway some minds. But, you obviously lack the conversational skills needed...so, I'm done with you.

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I see you're fond of pictures and don't do so well with words.

Quote the text you responded to and put in bold where I called you one name. You will not be able to because I never did that. I said you have a right to never change your opinion-- you have a right to be thick-headed, stubborn, etc. I have those same rights, though I try not to be that way. I never called you any of those things.

Comprende?

 

[Muddy Waters]

I see you're fond of pictures and don't do so well with words.

Quote the text you responded to and put in bold where I called you one name. You will not be able to because I never did that. I said you have a right to never change your opinion-- you have a right to be thick-headed, stubborn, etc. I have those same rights, though I try not to be that way. I never called you any of those things.

Comprende?

Whatever Preach.

 

[Thick Johnson]

Yall like that bitch.

I never have.

Mothafuckas acting like she is a great.

 

[Costanza]

Whatever Preach.

I will. You should drop out of the conversation if you can't/won't defend your opinion/dogma.

"What-everrrrrrr," like arguing with a fucking 14 year old girl...

 

[audio syndicate]

Wow... I won't even address the other idiocy in your post, but this is astounding heartlessness.

You really think no other lives have value except for those who signed up for war? The innocents don't matter???

do people in other countries care about you? more like hate who you are and what you stand for, is more realistic

because i care about myself, my family, my community, my country and the world in that order, i'm heartless? get a grip on reality

as for makk, let's agree to disagree you're spending too much time with name calling and victimization to make my response reasonable. as long as we want the same thing, which is the best for our people, whatever it may be...i'm in agreement

by the way, there isn't a leadership vacuum, there's a lack of coverage of what black people are doing every single day on the home/grassroots level. it's not news so it gives you the illusion people aren't doing shit. do we need more? sure, we always need more.

 

[bigblackafrica]

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[Dert Bagg]

This is old news, she endorsed Clinton months ago.

Bingo.
She lined up behind Hillary like a year ago.
This new announcement is in response to the recent Morrison endorsement. (Toni > Maya, btw.)
Pretty sure she came out for Hilary before Oprah backed Obama.

 

[Costanza]

do people in other countries care about you? more like hate who you are and what you stand for, is more realistic

because i care about myself, my family, my community, my country and the world in that order, i'm heartless? get a grip on reality

Have you ever been to another country? Do you know anything about these people? I think children in Africa probably know and care as little about me personally as children in Arkansas; it doesn't make their lives worth less.

There are people in this country who don't know you and hate your fucking guts.

And because everything you named was "my, my, my, my" you are selfish and lack compassion for others, yes.

You're heartless for not caring if those people are bombed; even if I accepted your selfish heirarchy, the fact that you don't care if millions of innocents are killed but care if "troops" who volunteered die indicates heartlessness.

 

[younghustla]

I know why the caged coon sings

Co-Sizzle my brother

 

[NdaCut]

Please, Can we all just ignore the old ass out of touch bish!!!

 

[NdaCut]

DAMN!!!!!

 

[NdaCut]

Yall like that bitch.

I never have.

Mothafuckas acting like she is a great.

she is a great poet
just out of touch

 

[BadDebt]

God forbid a black person endorse someone other than Obama.

I know. This is why peolple shake their heads. HUH?
The Black youth today have no respect for their elders. Its really sad. You can expect as much from one of these 10th grade mentality militant types, that couldn't buy a clue even if you sub primed them up front. But some of the opinions of some of the 20,000 post members are WAY OFF BASE here. (Thats a lot of jerking)

The Black woman that has been a leader and a voice would get knifed in her back just because she don't think Obama is ready and she believes that she wants to support another broad, Thats just plain tacky.

 

[Zero]

I know. This is why peolple shake their heads. HUH?
The Black youth today have no respect for their elders. Its really sad. You can expect as much from one of these 10th grade mentality militant types, that couldn't buy a clue even if you sub primed them up front. But some of the opinions of some of the 20,000 post members are WAY OFF BASE here. (Thats a lot of jerking)

The Black woman that has been a leader and a voice would get knifed in her back just because she don't think Obama is ready and she believes that she wants to support another broad, Thats just plain tacky.




Wootten Hathaway

Damn, didn't realize you and Wooten Hathaway were the same dude. You been kinda talkin' out of both sides of your face there, haven't you dog?

 

[Makkonnen]

DAMN!!!!!

she's 80

she wont say how many times she's been married cuz she dont want people thinkin she's a whore

shes married at least one white dude


She AINT Harry Belafonte.

 

[Costanza]

I know. This is why peolple shake their heads. HUH?
The Black youth today have no respect for their elders. Its really sad. You can expect as much from one of these 10th grade mentality militant types, that couldn't buy a clue even if you sub primed them up front. But some of the opinions of some of the 20,000 post members are WAY OFF BASE here. (Thats a lot of jerking)

The Black woman that has been a leader and a voice would get knifed in her back just because she don't think Obama is ready and she believes that she wants to support another broad, Thats just plain tacky.



Wooten Hathaway

Damn, didn't realize you and Wooten Hathaway were the same dude. You been kinda talkin' out of both sides of your face there, haven't you dog?

Did he leave that signature before he edited his post at 8:56?





Rotten Halfabrain... busted!!!

 

[Blackmayne]

Down with the old generation, and arise this new one!!!

Shame one Waters and Angeolu!! [/COLOR]

OBAMA 08!!!!!!

 

[Zero]

Did he leave that signature before he edited his post at 8:56?




Rotten Halfabrain... busted!!!

A lot of the cats trolling the board right now are multiples. This Obama thing is an attention whore's wet dream. I exposed Daddy Warbucks as Slowhands right before he got himself banned for a few days to cool shit off.