Muslim Black slavery - Islam slave history of Black Africa

Race and Slavery in the Middle East


Bernard Lewis.
Oxford Univ Press 1994.

Reliable non bias source ?


Bernard Lewis
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Prof. Bernard Lewis
Prof. Bernard Lewis

Bernard Lewis
(born May 31, 1916, London) is a Jewish-British-American historian, Orientalist, and political commentator. He is the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University and specializes in the history of Islam and the interaction between Islam and the West. He is especially famous in academic circles for his work on the history of the Ottoman Empire.

In the West, Lewis is a widely-read expert on the Middle East. His advice is frequently sought by right-wing policymakers, including the current Bush administration. [1] In the Encyclopedia of Historians and Historical Writing Martin Kramer, whose Ph.D. thesis was directed by Lewis, considered that, over a 60-year career, he has emerged as "the most influential postwar historian of Islam and the Middle East." [2]
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Born to middle-class Jewish parents in Stoke Newington, London, Lewis became attracted to languages and history from an early age. While preparing for his bar mitzvah ceremony at the age of eleven or twelve, the young Bernard, fascinated by a new language, and especially a new script, discovered an interest in Hebrew. He subsequently moved on to studying Aramaic and then Arabic, and later still, some Latin, Greek, Persian, and Turkish. As with Semitic languages, Lewis's interest in history was stirred thanks to the bar mitzvah ceremony, during which he received as a gift a book on Jewish history. [3]



During the Second World War, Lewis served in the British Army in the Royal Armoured Corps and Intelligence Corps in 1940–41, before being seconded to the Foreign Office where he advised on policy on the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. After the war, he returned to SOAS, and in 1949 – as he was one of the very rare specialists – he was appointed to the new chair in Near and Middle Eastern History at the age of 33.[5]









[edit] Views and influence on contemporary politics

In the mid-1960s, Lewis emerged as a commentator on the issues of the modern Middle East, and his analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the rise of militant Islam brought him publicity and aroused significant controversy. American historian Joel Beinin has called him "perhaps the most articulate and learned Zionist advocate in the North American Middle East academic community ..." [10] Lewis's policy advice has particular weight thanks to this scholarly authority. [7] U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney remarked: "...in this new century, his wisdom is sought daily by policymakers, diplomats, fellow academics, and the news media."[11]







[edit] Criticism and controversies

[edit] Debates with Edward Said

Lewis is known for his literary sparrings with Edward Said, the Palestinian-American literary theorist and activist who "deconstructed" Orientalist scholarship. Professor Edward W. Said (Columbia University) defined Lewis's work as a prime example of Orientalism, in his 1978 book Orientalism. Said asserted that the field of Orientalism was political intellectualism bent on self-affirmation rather than objective study,[15] a form of racism, and a tool of imperialist domination.[16] He further questioned the scientific neutrality of some leading Orientalist scholars such as Bernard Lewis or Daniel Pipes on the Arab world. In an interview with Al-Ahram Weekly, Said suggested that Lewis' knowledge of the Middle East was so biased it could not be taken seriously, and claimed "Bernard Lewis hasn't set foot in the Middle East, in the Arab world, for at least 40 years. He knows something about Turkey, I'm told, but he knows nothing about the Arab world." [17]

Edward Said considered that Lewis treats Islam as a monolithic entity without the nuance of its plurality, internal dynamics, and historical complexities, and accused him of "demagogy and downright ignorance."[18]

[edit] Lewis' response

Rejecting the view that western scholarship was biased against the Middle East, Lewis responded that Orientalism developed since then as a facet of European humanism, independently of the past European imperial expansion.[2] He noted the French and English pursued the study of Islam in the 16th and 17th centuries, yet not in an organized way, but long before they had any control or hope of control in the Middle East; and that much of Orientalist study did nothing to advance the cause of imperialism. "What imperial purpose was served by deciphering the ancient Egyptian language, for example, and then restoring to the Egyptians knowledge of and pride in their forgotten, ancient past?"[19]

[edit] Opinions in regards to Armenians and the alleged Armenian genocide

In a November 1993 Le Monde interview, Lewis said that the Ottoman Turks’ killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 was not "genocide", but the "brutal byproduct of war".[20] He further suggested in the interview that "the reality of the Armenian genocide results from nothing more than the imagination of the Armenian people."[21] A Parisian court interpreted his remarks as a denial of the Armenian Genocide and on June 21, 1995 fined him one franc. The court ruled that while Lewis has the right to his views, they did damage to a third party and that "it is only by hiding elements which go against his thesis that the defendant was able to state that there was no 'serious proof' of the Armenian Genocide."[22]

When Lewis received the prestigious National Humanities Medal from President Bush in November 2006, the Armenian National Committee of America took strong objection. Executive Director Aram Hamparian released a statement of pointed disapproval:
“ The President's decision to honor the work of a known genocide denier — an academic mercenary whose politically motivated efforts to cover up the truth run counter to the very principles this award was established to honor — represents a true betrayal of the public trust.[23] ”

The ANCA Press Release noticed that early in his career Lewis asserted the holocaust of Armenians in his 1961 book, The Emergence of Modern Turkey (p. 356): "A desperate struggle between [the Turks and Armenians] began, a struggle between two nations for the possession of a single homeland, that ended with the terrible holocaust of 1915, when a million and a half Armenians perished."[24]
[edit] Lewis' response

Lewis argues that:
“ There is no evidence of a decision to massacre. On the contrary, there is considerable evidence of attempts to prevent it, which were not very successful. Yes there were tremendous massacres, the numbers are very uncertain but a million may well be likely,[25] ...[and] the issue is not whether the massacres happened or not, but rather if these massacres were as a result of a deliberate preconceived decision of the Turkish government... there is no evidence for such a decision.[26] ”

Lewis thus believes that "to make [Armenian Genocide], a parallel with the Holocaust in Germany" is "rather absurd."[25] In an interview with Haaretz he stated:
“ The deniers of Holocaust have a purpose: to prolong Nazism and to return to Nazi legislation. Nobody wants the 'Young Turks' back, and nobody wants to have back the Ottoman Law. What do the Armenians want? The Armenians want to benefit from both worlds. On the one hand, they speak with pride of their struggle against the Ottoman despotism, while on the other hand, they compare their tragedy to the Jewish Holocaust. I do not accept this. I do not say that the Armenians did not suffer terribly. But I find enough cause for me to contain their attempts to use the Armenian massacres to diminish the worth of the Jewish Holocaust and to relate to it instead as an ethnic dispute.[27] ”

[edit] Noam Chomsky

In a 2002 interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's "Hot Talk" program, Noam Chomsky detailed what he claimed was a series of comments from a declassified Eisenhower Administration memo:
“ President Eisenhower, in an internal discussion, observed to his staff, and I'm quoting now, "There's a campaign of hatred against us in the Middle East, not by governments, but by the people." The National Security Council discussed that question and said, "Yes, and the reason is, there's a perception in that region that the United States supports status quo governments, which prevent democracy and development and that we do it because of our interests in Middle East oil. Furthermore, it's difficult to counter that perception because it's correct. It ought to be correct. We ought to be supporting brutal and corrupt governments which prevent democracy and development because we want to control Middle East oil, and it's true that leads to a campaign of hatred against us."[28] ”

Chomsky claimed that Bernard Lewis, in his writings on the Middle East, omitted this and other evidence of Western culpability for failures in the region. Chomsky claimed:
Now, until Bernard Lewis tells us that, and that's only one piece of a long story, we know that he's just a vulgar propagandist and not a scholar."[29]

[edit] Lewis' response

On the same program the next month, Lewis responded:
“ Well, Mr. Chomsky's views on Middle Eastern history are about as reliable as my views on linguistics, but I'll let that pass. Obviously imperialist powers are not blameless in this respect. They did contribute, but they are not the cause of what went wrong. What went wrong is what enabled them to come and conquer these places. And the record of the Imperialist powers is by no means uniformly bad. They did some bad things, they also did some good things. They introduced infrastructure, they introduced modern education, they established a network of high schools and universities that previously did not exist, and many other things. They even tried to introduce constitutional government, parliamentary and constitutional government. It didn't take in the Islamic lands, but it worked quite well in India.

The other point he raises, I am in agreement with him, much to my surprise. That is the, how shall I put it, the offense of propping and maintaining repressive governments. I don't think the Shah is a good example of that. The Shah's government was certainly not democratic, but it was a Scandinavian democracy compared to what has happened since in Iran.

It's not our business what goes on inside these countries. Let them have tyrants as long as they're friendly tyrants rather than hostile tyrants. This is the familiar method that's been used in Central America, Southeast Asia and other places.[30]


[edit] Stance on the Iraq War

Most recently Lewis has been called "perhaps the most significant intellectual influence behind the invasion of Iraq", who urged regime change in Iraq to provide a jolt that — he argued — would "modernize the Middle East". [31] Critics of Lewis have suggested that Lewis' allegedly 'Orientalist' theories about "What Went Wrong" in the Middle East, and other important works, formed the intellectual basis of the push towards war in Iraq.[32]
 
"There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgement. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (al-Bukhari and Ibn Majjah).
 
I don't give a shit about what Pan Africans think, what other Africans think, and what dumb niggas in America think. Fact is, religion is man made and it defies logic and critical thinking.

Brotha Nat Turner did the right thing in rebellion against slavery...but he was still a product of that bullshit christianity (which ironicallly helped to enslave him) that even Jesus didn't know anything about.

I'm not claiming one is as bad as or worse than the other, my point is that its all bullshit, called by a different name.

:yes: C/S Thanks for your quote !
 
"There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgement. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (al-Bukhari and Ibn Majjah).

Funny Mohammed already has done all three

if i remember correctly

Prophet Mohammed massacred Banu-Kuraiza Jews innocent and guilty and then took their women and children into slavery. In the year 624 When Mohammeds army fought another army at Wadi Bedr and captured them and offered at ransom ,Abu Sufyan is one of the characters that escaped this to tell this story.
 
Check out from a primary source can you really trust a video that uses the word Mohammedans instead of muslims a derogatory term used by white Europeans up until very recently its like saying negro. Peace

man, please. everybody and they moms knows that 'muslims' enslaved black folks before americans and had little/no respect for the black man prior to converting him to their ill informed ways....

history is a beatch when u learn about it, huh?
 
I'm not religious ,I'm Spiritual

religion justifies racism,sexism,its used by the power structure to keep the people passive


but considering the fact that Africans are the original Hebrews;
1st Man in Creation ;and the original Priests (in the Bible) , its natural for us to seek a realtionship with God
 
Funny Mohammed already has done all three

if i remember correctly

Prophet Mohammed massacred Banu-Kuraiza Jews innocent and guilty and then took their women and children into slavery. In the year 624 When Mohammeds army fought another army at Wadi Bedr and captured them and offered at ransom ,Abu Sufyan is one of the characters that escaped this to tell this story.

The facts are disputed and some scholars reject the sorry all together.

Abu Sufyan was not a Jew but an Arab member of quraesh, Arab he later became a Muslim Leader.

The Jewish Muslim thing is over hyped but hey everyone has there own opinions
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The facts are disputed and some scholars reject the sorry all together.

Abu Sufyan was not a Jew but an Arab member of quraesh, Arab he later became a Muslim Leader.

The Jewish Muslim thing is over hyped but hey everyone has there own opinions
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/bFwpuvvXYjk&watch[/FLASH]nse


These Jews are not the original Jews. Do you agree?
 
Another perspective

A prince among slaves

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  • Arab Muslims only account for around 15% of the total Muslims in the word which is around 1.5billion

  • Almost Half of Africa are Muslims which account for ever 400million people


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Every Black person should know this by now. Which is why I shake my head at these blind Arab Muslim sympathizers. Arabs hate your black ass and Mohammad was a pedophile. Islam ain't shit just like Christianity ain't shit. Wake up you brainwashed coons.


well.....didnt slavery start by the powerful black guy sold the lesser poor guy to the white dude??
 
The facts are disputed and some scholars reject the sorry all together.

Abu Sufyan was not a Jew but an Arab member of quraesh, Arab he later became a Muslim Leader.

The Jewish Muslim thing is over hyped but hey everyone has there own opinions
nse

The only people that dispute the facts are islamists that are trying to conviniently hide the past about the colourful prophet. Its engravened into history what Mohammed did and all his atrocities to the innocent people that saw him for what he really was. he murdered a blind poetess Asma just for the fact that she wrote a poem condemning him. What about the murders of Kab ibn al-Ashraf and Afal. And also the reason mohammed started to hate jews was the called him for what he was a false ishlamiate false prophet thats how the beef between Islam and his problem with Jews started all because they didn't accept his false religion
 
The only people that dispute the facts are islamists that are trying to conviniently hide the past about the colourful prophet. Its engravened into history what Mohammed did and all his atrocities to the innocent people that saw him for what he really was. he murdered a blind poetess Asma just for the fact that she wrote a poem condemning him. What about the murders of Kab ibn al-Ashraf and Afal. And also the reason mohammed started to hate jews was the called him for what he was a false ishlamiate false prophet thats how the beef between Islam and his problem with Jews started all because they didn't accept his false religion

  • Both these stories are falsified.

  • Muslims do not hate Jews
 
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Great post. People need to realize that the Arabs had a nearly 1000 year head start when it came to enslaving black Africans.
 
Why are blacks always shitted on throughout history?:hmm:

Peace,

many reasons, mainly the threat of the truth exposed

they want to discredit the fact that their religious texts describe folk with non-colored characteristics, non-colored means black, for you do know that we are original and the others are colored in actuality...........

thats what this whole big racist theory is derrived from, keeping us unaware of who we are and how potentially great we can become with the knowledge of self......

my new years resolution and only resolution is to learn something i didn't know the day before, i ain't talkin bout no trivial shit but i mean some real live shit, mainly sciences and historical events, like today i learned a few things dealing with the natural element of Krypton and i discovered that the effects it had on superman isn't possible by no means of experimentation, because Krypton would have to go through an inverted cycle that just isn't possible due to it's structure no matter how many isotopes it has, and that once thermodynamically inclined with the fusion of uranium and plutonium, it pretty much a small scale nuclear bomb........

i also learned about Eugenism and the Berlin Conference.....

none of this is job-related studies or even scholastic studies, just general shit i do in my day that makes me happy as well as informed.....

Knowledge..... my anti-drug!!!!
 
De nile is not only a river.

Hope this sheds some light


Islamic Methodology of Reports' Evaluation

We must explain the methodology of Muslim scholars before we comment on any Islamic report. Take for example the news reported on Presidents today! If the Vice-President gives a certain statement concerning the opinion of the President in a certain matter, then this statement is transmitted by a member of the secretary to a journalists who published it in the newspaper, what is the value of this report?

Our answer is that it could be right or wrong and we cannot be sure unless we know the reliability of the source.

If we find that the report is indeed transmitted by the secretary member on authority of the Vice-President and that each of them is well known for accuracy in transmission and truthfulness in speech, how can we evaluate this report?

Our answer is that we tend to believe it.

This is exactly what Muslim scholars require in any report to be valid and its attribution to God's Messenger(P) can be accepted. They actually add two more things; they must make sure that the report itself is not contradictory to other more authentic reports otherwise it will be considered eccentric! Also, they must exclude any hidden flaws in the text of the report, these flaws are detailed in specialized volumes of Hadîth.

Can we then accept the report as valid?

Not yet. After we had verified that the chain of transmitters is intact without interruption and that all reporters are honest, sane individuals, we must make sure that each reporter has received the report directly from the preceding one and that the report itself is in agreement with other authentic reports without flaws. The eminent hafiz Ibn Kathîr states that

Authentic Hadith is the transmitted hadîth whose chain is continuous through transmission of an accurate sane memorizer on authority of an accurate sane memorizer till its termination without being eccentric or flawed.[1]

Is there a method more precise and meticulous than this?

There is no nation in the entire history that took care of reporting events and their verification as the Muslims have done. [/B]The Western Orientalist Bernard Lewis[/B] notes that

From an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence false doctrine, and developed an elaborate science for criticizing tradition. "Traditional science", as it was called, differed in many respects from modern historical source criticism, and modern scholarship has always disagreed with evaluations of traditional scientists about the authenticity and accuracy of ancient narratives. But their careful scrutiny of the chains of transmission and their meticulous collection and preservation of variants in the transmitted narratives give to medieval Arabic historiography a professionalism and sophistication without precedent in antiquity and without parallel in the contemporary medieval West. By comparison, the historiography of Latin Christendom seems poor and meagre, and even the more advanced and complex historiography of Greek Christendom still falls short of the historical literature of Islam in volume, variety and analytical depth.[2]

Then we talk about historical references written by Muslim authors. First of all, these books are not trustworthy references due to the fact that they do not follow proper methodology of transmission.

Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal sums up the Muslim point of view as regards the trustworthiness of the biographical reports when he declares that the biographies

...are not based on any principle.

The early Muslim scholars who compiled books of hadîth and scrutinized this particular field undertook thorough and painstaking investigations to determine the authenticity of the reports from the Holy Prophet's time by tracing them back to eye-witnesses of the time, through unbroken lines of reliable narrators. As a result, they never held a high opinion of the biographies whose authors had simply copied masses of reports without check or criticism. One such scholar of hadîth, Hafiz Zayn-ûd-Dîn of Irâq, says about the biographies as follows:

The student should know that the biographies contain all kinds of reports, both true and false.

We believe that this should make us depend only upon reliable sources that have been properly authenticated by Muslim specialists in the Hadith sciences.




The Killing of Abu 'Afak: Where is The Isnâd?

According to Ibn Sa'd and Ibn Ishâq, Abu 'Afak was a 120 years old Jewish man who had abused the Prophet(P) verbally, so the latter launched a raid under the command of Salîm Ibn 'Umaîr to kill him. We do know that Ibn Ishâq lived in the 2nd half of the 2nd century after Hijra, as well as Al-Waqîdî from whom Ibn Sa'd (died 230 A.H.) copied the story of Abu 'Afak.

As explained above, the chain of reporters of the story from eye-witnesses of the event till Ibn Ishâq or Al-Waqîdî must be examined and verified. So, our legitimate question is: where is the isnâd (i.e., chain of reporters)?

Unfortunately, references of the Sîrah do not provide such information. Actually, we are told that this story has no isnâd at all; neither Ibn Ishâq (or his disciple Ibn Hîsham) nor Al-Waqîdî (or his disciple Ibn Sa'd) had provided such a thing! In this case, the story is rated by hadîth scholars as "...of no basis", indicating that it has reached the lowest degree of criticism regarding its isnâd. This is in fact a proper scientific position because we cannot accept such a problematic story without evidence.

In brief, we have no commitment to accept such a baseless story - according to scientific criteria of hadîth criticism - which strangely had appeared in the 2nd half of the 2nd century after Hijra. We are therefore obliged to reject the story of the killing of Abu 'Afak by Salîm Ibn 'Umaîr at the Prophet’s command.



The Killing of Asma': True Story or Forgery?

Basically the charge is that the Prophet(P) had ordered the killing of Asma' when she insulted him with her poetry. As it is usually the case where the history of Islam and the character of the Prophet(P) is concerned, it is left to the Muslims to throw some light on authenticity of the story in which this incident is reported by the sources and educate the missionaries in matters which they have no clue about.

The story of the killing of Asma' bint Marwan is mentioned by Ibn Sa'd in Kitab At-Tabaqat Al-Kabir[3] and by the author of Kinz-ul-'Ummal under number 44131 who attributes it to Ibn Sa'd, Ibn 'Adiyy and Ibn 'Asaker. What is interesting is that Ibn 'Adiyy mentions it in his book Al-Kamel on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that

...this isnâd (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it.[4]

It is also reported by Ibn al-Gawzi in Al-'Ilal[5] and is listed among other flawed reports.

So according to its isnâd(chain of reporters), the report is forged - because one of its reporters is notorious for fabricating hadîth.




Prophetic Attitude Toward Women and Old Men in War

Here we are going to discuss the authentic Sunnah of the Holy Prophet(P) regarding women and old men in war. No baseless or forged reports are allowed here; we will only display authentic reports.

In brief, the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet(P) prohibits the killing of women in war.

Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewish woman brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of God’s Apostle.[6]

The Prophet(P) refused to kill a woman who did intentionally try to poison him, but the Christian missionaries, by using a fabricated story, wants us to believe that he ordered the killing of a woman who only abused him verbally. (note: in Islam a women can only be put to death if she commited murder as crime, for murder is (both for men and women) death punishment in islam),



Abu Bakr advised Yazid: "I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camel except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly."[9]




Conclusion

The Western Orientalist Bernard Lewi
s notes that

From an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence false doctrine, and developed an elaborate science for criticizing tradition.[10]


the following principles of criticism of the Hadith are laid down:

(1) The Hadith should not be contrary to the text or the teaching of the Qur'an or the accepted basic principles of Islam.

(2) The Hadith should not be against the dictates of reason or laws of nature and common experience.

(3) The Hadith should not be contrary to the Traditions which have already been accepted by authorities as reliable and authentic by applying all principles.

(4) The Hadith which sings the praises and excellence of any tribe, place or persons should be generally rejected

(5) The Hadith that contains the dates and minute details of the future events should be rejected.

(6) The Hadith that contains some remarks of the Prophet which are not in keeping with the Islamic belief of Prophethood and the position of the Holy Prophet or such expressions as may not be suitable to him, should be rejected.[11]
 
Everytime i get into debates with Muslims online it always turns into a copy and paste fest from answeringchristianity.com . Despite the huge amount of literature from tarikhs of several muslim countries pointing out the fact that that ishlamaite was a fraud you always get deluded followers. Mohammed was amurderous warlord he killed thousands in his reign to get people to convert to Islam . I just mentioned 3 people he murdered who were prominent and are widely documented , they died because they saw him for what he really was. You can copy and paste a 1000000 words denying what Mohammed did but history and fact will always testify to teh truth about that warlord you call a prophet.

Since you on a roll to denying anything that points out you false prophet why don't you check How Mohammed changed the Qibla from jerusalem to mecca and what was the reason behind it.

I know muslims very well because my siblings are muslims . So i don't know who you are really trying to fool by saying muslims do not hate jews . Muslims do not like Jews and thats fact , and they also cannot stand black people. The only black people they deal with are ones that have lost their identity and chosen to be part of Islam
 
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Everytime i get into debates with Muslims online it always turns into a copy and paste fest from answeringchristianity.com . Despite the huge amount of literature from tarikhs of several muslim countries pointing out the fact that that ishlamaite was a fraud you always get deluded followers. Mohammed was amurderous warlord he killed thousands in his reign to get people to convert to Islam . I just mentioned 3 people he murdered who were prominent and are widely documented , they died because they saw him for what he really was. You can copy and paste a 1000000 words denying what Mohammed did but history and fact will always testify to teh truth about that warlord you call a prophet.

Since you on a roll to denying anything that points out you false prophet why don't you check How Mohammed changed the Qibla from jerusalem to mecca and what was the reason behind it.

I know muslims very well because my siblings are muslims . So i don't know who you are really trying to fool by saying muslims do not hate jews . Muslims do not like Jews and thats fact , and they also cannot stand black people. The only black people they deal with are ones that have lost their identity and chosen to be part of Islam



  • Qibla revelation



Who do you say do not like black people jews or muslims ?

If you mean muslim do you mean,Nigerian,Ethiopian,Somalian,Kenyan,Egyptian or do you mean they hate them selves?
 
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Everytime i get into debates with Muslims online it always turns into a copy and paste fest from answeringchristianity.com . Despite the huge amount of literature from tarikhs of several muslim countries pointing out the fact that that ishlamaite was a fraud you always get deluded followers. Mohammed was amurderous warlord he killed thousands in his reign to get people to convert to Islam . I just mentioned 3 people he murdered who were prominent and are widely documented , they died because they saw him for what he really was. You can copy and paste a 1000000 words denying what Mohammed did but history and fact will always testify to teh truth about that warlord you call a prophet.

Since you on a roll to denying anything that points out you false prophet why don't you check How Mohammed changed the Qibla from jerusalem to mecca and what was the reason behind it.

I know muslims very well because my siblings are muslims . So i don't know who you are really trying to fool by saying muslims do not hate jews . Muslims do not like Jews and thats fact , and they also cannot stand black people. The only black people they deal with are ones that have lost their identity and chosen to be part of Islam

What do you mean black people ?

There have been black Muslims for 1400 years so I think it unfair to say they have lost their identity rather Islam is part of theiridentity.

To say that all Muslims hate Jews is like saying all black are drug dealer and smoke weed.

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Everytime i get into debates with Muslims online it always turns into a copy and paste fest from answeringchristianity.com . Despite the huge amount of literature from tarikhs of several muslim countries pointing out the fact that that ishlamaite was a fraud you always get deluded followers. Mohammed was amurderous warlord he killed thousands in his reign to get people to convert to Islam . I just mentioned 3 people he murdered who were prominent and are widely documented , they died because they saw him for what he really was. You can copy and paste a 1000000 words denying what Mohammed did but history and fact will always testify to teh truth about that warlord you call a prophet.

Since you on a roll to denying anything that points out you false prophet why don't you check How Mohammed changed the Qibla from jerusalem to mecca and what was the reason behind it.

I know muslims very well because my siblings are muslims . So i don't know who you are really trying to fool by saying muslims do not hate jews . Muslims do not like Jews and thats fact , and they also cannot stand black people. The only black people they deal with are ones that have lost their identity and chosen to be part of Islam

And if your sibling are Muslims then you should have more respect and take more time to learn about a religion that your family members believe in. Its easy to hate people but harder to learn about and respect peoples culture. Like I said before, go to the sources of Islam rather than second hand data. Look at the Quran and the sunna. Sira or stories are often inacurate and exaggerate things good or bad
 
Every Black person should know this by now. Which is why I shake my head at these blind Arab Muslim sympathizers. Arabs hate your black ass and Mohammad was a pedophile. Islam ain't shit just like Christianity ain't shit. Wake up you brainwashed coons.

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What do you mean black people ?

There have been black Muslims for 1400 years so I think it unfair to say they have lost their identity rather Islam is part of theiridentity.

To say that all Muslims hate Jews is like saying all black are drug dealer and smoke weed.

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Have they lost their identity ?

or is this more they way to go

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These Jews are not the original Jews. Do you agree?

Original Jews? The Jews were originally Nomads along with their brothers the Arabs. They mixed with everyone they met and in the process developed their Religion...

In other words. There is no Such thing as an original Jew because the Jews from their conception were "Hybrids".
 
I think people are confusing people with Religion, what man does in the name of a religion does not mean he is doing exactly what the Religion tells him to do, more his interpretation, more than likely for gain or power.

No where in the Quran does it say slavery of blacks is good, no where. slavery is a man made business and the people behind it will burn in hell, Muslim christian or whatever.

Fact the first man into heaven in the Quran was a black man.

Fact in the Quran it says its wrong to borrow a man money and gain from it, i.e interest. Does that sound like its a religion based on hate

Fact Muslims are told to respect people of the book, i.e Christians, jews etc etc

Malcolm saw the light was he misguided and misled, no. But for gain or power he was killed, so please when it comes down to it, it seems even the victims can act like the oppressors and fall pray to that one thing which binds all humans....................POWER
 
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