How do you know when the dollar is not worth shit???

From Times Online
November 6, 2007
George Soros warns of 'serious' US correction

One of the world's most influential investors has said that America is on course for a worse-than-expected downturn

Marcus Leroux



George Soros, the currency investor who almost single-handedly drove the pound out of the European exchange-rate mechanism on Black Wednesday, has given warning that the US is on the brink of a slowdown far more serious than the Federal Reserve is expecting.


Mr Soros said that the US economy is "on the verge of a very serious economic correction” after decades of overspending.


His opinion caused disquiet among investors and central bankers, as Mr Soros made £1 billion betting against the Bank of England in 1992.


His comments came as Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke's predecessor as Chairman of the Federal Reserve, said that a housing downturn could drag the US economy towards a recession.

Mr Soros told an audience at New York University: "We have borrowed an awful lot of money and now the bill is coming to us.”


Asked whether a recession was inevitable, Mr Soros replied: “I think we are definitely in for a slowdown that I think will be a bigger slowdown than Bernanke is seeing.”


Mr Bernanke has described the past few months as "a challenging period". Speaking in October, he said: "Conditions in financial markets have shown some improvement since the worst of the storm in mid-August, but a full recovery of market functioning is likely to take time, and we may well see some setbacks."


This is the first time that Mr Soros has spoken out about America's macroeconomic state since credit markets seized to a halt after a surge in foreclosures on subprime mortgages.


He said that China, the biggest US creditor, was the "absolute winner" and said that its economy would soar for years to come.


Jim Rogers, the investor with whom Mr Soros founded his Quantum Fund in the 1970s, recently recommended that investors get out of the dollar and sell shares in investment banks and American housing companies.





Mr Greenspan, whose pronouncements are scrutinised carefully by traders around the world, added his voice yesterday to the chorus of despair.


He told a conference in Tokyo that high inventories of unsold housing in America presented a risk to the US economy.


He said: “We still need to accelerate the rate of inventory liquidation, and that will mean bringing housing starts down and sales up. We have a long way to go.”


Mr Greenspan added: "The critical issue on the whole subprime, and by extension the whole financial system, rests very narrowly on getting rid of probably 200,000 to 300,000 excess units in inventories in the United States.”

Speaking in Boston last Wednesday, he gestured towards the likelihood of further crises, and the improbability of averting them.


"Will we have another crash? Yes. Will we have another credit crisis? Yes. Can we do anything about it? No,” he said.





Mr Greenspan and Mr Soros are joined by another collossus of international business in their gloomy forecasts. A fortnight ago Warren Buffett, the billionaire investor, predicted that the subprime crisis would have a long-lasting impact.


He said: "In the next 6 months, one year, two years the problems in the mortgage market can cause a lot of problems with consumers and hurt buying power in the United States,".


But, unlike Mr Greenspan, he does not envisage the subprime fall-out precipitating a wider slowdown in the American economy.


"Overall the economy will make progress," he said.


Mr Soros's and Mr Greenspan's pessimistic evaluations of the American economy come as Mervyn King, the Governor of the Bank of England, said in a rare broadcast interview that uncertainty over the extent of banks' losses in the subprime crisis would continue for months.


In recent days Charles Prince, the chief executive of Citigroup, and Stan O'Neal, the chief executive of Merrill Lynch, have stepped down, becoming the highest-profile victims of the market turbulence.






:smh::smh::smh:
 
Im so fucking glad this evil empire is slowly falling.

They try to make like its not due to good ole American Pride
but it's so fucking obvious.

I love it.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I cant wait till all of this shit is chaos and ruins.:dance:

These devils are slowly seeing the results of their evil ass wicked ass behavior.

America is like a plane spiraling downward with smoke coming from the tail.

What a beautiful thing.

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not good for us.
and the hundreds of millions of other poor americans :(

better start making plans
 
not good for us.
and the hundreds of millions of other poor americans :(

better start making plans



:yes::yes::yes:


Don't sleep.............. millions of Americans will be distracted by Thanksgiving & christmas.

Keep focused brother..........
 
it was in some book i read, maybe Rich Dad Poor Dad, but they said go against what the market is doing. Meaning when everybody is sayin sell, buy, and when they saying buy, you should sell. All im sayin is that if dollars go down as low as they say is gonna happen, some ppl might cake off buyin at the low value and riding it back up. something to think about thats all.

And for the brothers that was talkin about how they go about gettin euros. My idea is work them airports, plenty of travelers coming from over there with money to spend.
 
now all you mufuckas understand why we went into iraq, right?

now all of y'all also understand why we suspended saddam from a rope, right?

well, if you don't know, saddam was SMART enough to get this shit started when he first switched his oil trading basis to the euro OVER the dollar.

now, ahmadinejad in iran is doing the EXACT same thing...:yes:
 
I LOVED the video on money, banking, and debt.

If you want to understand how this economy functions

(and the means by which honkeys keep complete control of the economy)

this video provides a basis for understanding.

5-star post (this is a FIRE post to me)

and great information in this thread
 
I give a fuck less about Giselle "the most mediocre looking Brazilian" Bunchen (sp?). You really know that the dollar is worth shit when foreign manufactured goods start costing more. On the flip side, a weak dollar makes American made goods and vacations more affordable to foreigners, which will translate into jobs.
 
I give a fuck less about Giselle "the most mediocre looking Brazilian" Bunchen (sp?). You really know that the dollar is worth shit when foreign manufactured goods start costing more. On the flip side, a weak dollar makes American made goods and vacations more affordable to foreigners, which will translate into jobs.

That's the problem...we don't have any!
 
We don't produce the amount that we used to, but there are still goods made in America. A weaker dollar will encourage the production of more.

Name something that we manufacture in America that is still wanted in the international market.
 
Name something that we manufacture in America that is still wanted in the international market.

This is such a comical statement, it's hard to take seriously.

What are you using to surf the web?
Do you ever go to the movies?
There are these things called video games.
Ever flown on a jet? etc. etc.

You can't possibly be this clueless. Then again...

:(
 
What are you using to surf the web?

A computer that consists of:

Dual LG Monitors (Manufactured in Taiwan.)

Nvidia 7800GT Video Card (Manufactured in Taiwan)

MSI Motherboard (Manufactured in Taiwan)

2 Gigs of Ram (Manufactured in Taiwan)

Need I go on?

Do you ever go to the movies?

Yup but where do the DVDs and Film get pressed up? China, exactly!

There are these things called video games.

Same as above. We'll make a game but when it's time to get pressed up China is going to get the job, bar none.

Ever flown on a jet? etc. etc.

Your only legitimate example but even at that American's aren't the only ones making jets. Other companies offer very competitive product and even better for instance the new Airbus plane that's 8 stories tall.
 
This is the main reason why we need to get Republicans everywhere out of office (White House, state houses, local government, everywhere). Nothing good and everything bad happens when these people are in charge. The national debt right now I heard today is 9 TRILLION DOLLARS!!! It has never been that high ever (even when Reagan was in office).
 
This is the main reason why we need to get Republicans everywhere out of office (White House, state houses, local government, everywhere). Nothing good and everything bad happens when these people are in charge. The national debt right now I heard today is 9 TRILLION DOLLARS!!! It has never been that high ever (even when Reagan was in office).

The whole democrat/republican thing is a scam man they're just different sides of the same coin. Things are going to go exactly as planned regardless of the views and/or political party of the president. If we want to change the situation that we're in we're going to need to change the entire government including the federal reserve and the military.
 
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Year-on-year change of US city average consumer price index from 1913-2006. (ie - Annual rate of inflation of the US dollar)
 
^^^^^^^ keep your head in the sand........
From The Times
November 8, 2007
President Sarkozy warns of ‘economic war’ as dollar falls to new low

That mother fucking fake Frenchman is just worried about sales of French gourmet items. Who do you think buys all of those $100.00 bottles of French wine?
 
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US consumer price index 1913-2006 (US city average)





United States Consumer Price Index



The U.S. Consumer Price Index is a time series measure of the price level of consumer goods and services.



The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which started the statistic in 1919, publishes the CPI on a monthly basis.



The CPI is calculated by observing price changes among a wide array of products in urban areas and weighing these price changes by the share of income consumers spend purchasing them.






The resulting statistic, measured as of the end of the month for which it is published, serves as one of the most popular measures of United States inflation; however, the CPI focuses on approximating a cost-of-living index not a general price index.





The CPI can be used to track changes in prices of all goods and services purchased for consumption by urban households, i.e., of the consumer basket.



User fees (such as water and sewer service) and sales and excise taxes paid by the consumer are also included.



Income taxes and investment items (like stocks, bonds, life insurance, and homes) are not included.


The index measures inflation faced by consumers who live in urban areas designated by the U.S. Bureau of the Census.






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Consumer_Price_Index
 
why don't you brothas see that this is just another scene in th show? america has to fall in order for the plan to take shape. if you don't know what plan i'm talking about then....
 
why don't you brothas see that this is just another scene in th show? america has to fall in order for the plan to take shape. if you don't know what plan i'm talking about then....

We do see that, that's why were trying to dump our dollars because the meltdown is inevitable. The North American Union and the Amero are just around the corner.
 





But Samh, how is that going to translate into your financial position if at all???

When does the trickle down effect take place and how long does it take for you to be impacted positively???


For someone with $100 000 in a savings acct (or other financial instrument), does it help?

I can see it positively affecting someone with minimal savings (it may save his/her job).

For the savers, how does it help?
 
But Samh, how is that going to translate into your financial position if at all???

When does the trickle down effect take place and how long does it take for you to be impacted positively???


For someone with $100 000 in a savings acct (or other financial instrument), does it help?

I can see it positively affecting someone with minimal savings (it may save his/her job).

For the savers, how does it help?

It doesn't. Your savings are devalued every time the Government is allowed to run to the fed to borrow and then they run the printing press....there is an "invisible" inflation inherent in all Fiat currency when it is taken off the Gold Standard and a government is allowed to print money at will. Our money has consistently been devalued since the creation of the Federal Reserve System.

Buffet talks about this a lot...that you need to invest JUST to keep your money at it's current value to fight the "hidden" devaluing of fiat currency. The same dollar printed since the creation of the fed is worth all but 6 cents.:smh: Indexes like the CPI only tell part of the story.
 
There's been a coupla posts in this thread that touches on what it really going down with the dollar. So, im not gonna quote/repost was said, but I will try to string it all together.

The average joe is caught in the crossfire of a pissing match between the U.S. and China. How?, Why? you ask.

The U.S. has wanted China to break it's peg to the dollar and allow its currency to float. China has refused to do so. China holds quite a bit of U.S. debt and wants to ensure the money that is paid on it is worth something (and it knows its own currency isnt really worth a damn), so it pegs the yuan (renimbi) to the dollar.

The U.S. knows that once China floats its currency, its true value will be realized and the currency market/traders will take care of the rest. The U.S. also wants China to open up its markets and allow unfettered access to captial ownership within China by foreign concerns. China has flipped the world market "the bird" in this respect also. So, they are gettting to play the free market "game" without have to adhere to the "rules". Having their cake and slamming on that muh phucca too, while the world can only watch.

So the U.S. is willing to drive the dollar down in order to make it ridiculously expensive for China to export products into the U.S. (think of all the Made in China shit that comes into the U.S.), this acts as a sort of "tarriff" on Chinese goods. After a while, these exponentially higher "tarriffs" China is paying will start to have a negative effect on thier economy.

This is why you hear all the U.S. economists and the Fed chief bitchin as to why China needs to float its currency. They know once they Yuan floats, all that U.S. debt they are holding will be paid back with dollars that are worth less, and once the dollar is able to freely move against their currency, the U.S. will gain the upper hand.

The U.S. is banking on the assumption that it can hold out longer with a dollar that's not worth shit than China can with pegged currency. Once the peg is broken, China is gonna get wore out.


Those FX traders are taking positions betting that China will keep the peg are profiting from the decline in the dollar, but if the peg breaks, you will read about a lot of firms going out of business due to massive currency losses.

There are some FX traders who are stockpiling these cheap dollars in anticipation of the peg being broken.

Read between the lines of what you are hearing on the news and position yourself accordingly.



Damn. My bad on the Colin Powell post. :smh:
 
There's been a coupla posts in this thread that touches on what it really going down with the dollar. So, im not gonna quote/repost was said, but I will try to string it all together.

The average joe is caught in the crossfire of a pissing match between the U.S. and China. How?, Why? you ask.

The U.S. has wanted China to break it's peg to the dollar and allow its currency to float. China has refused to do so. China holds quite a bit of U.S. debt and wants to ensure the money that is paid on it is worth something (and it knows its own currency isnt really worth a damn), so it pegs the yuan (renimbi) to the dollar.

The U.S. knows that once China floats its currency, its true value will be realized and the currency market/traders will take care of the rest. The U.S. also wants China to open up its markets and allow unfettered access to captial ownership within China by foreign concerns. China has flipped the world market "the bird" in this respect also. So, they are gettting to play the free market "game" without have to adhere to the "rules". Having their cake and slamming on that muh phucca too, while the world can only watch.

So the U.S. is willing to drive the dollar down in order to make it ridiculously expensive for China to export products into the U.S. (think of all the Made in China shit that comes into the U.S.), this acts as a sort of "tarriff" on Chinese goods. After a while, these exponentially higher "tarriffs" China is paying will start to have a negative effect on thier economy.

This is why you hear all the U.S. economists and the Fed chief bitchin as to why China needs to float its currency. They know once they Yuan floats, all that U.S. debt they are holding will be paid back with dollars that are worth less, and once the dollar is able to freely move against their currency, the U.S. will gain the upper hand.

The U.S. is banking on the assumption that it can hold out longer with a dollar that's not worth shit than China can with pegged currency. Once the peg is broken, China is gonna get wore out.


Those FX traders are taking positions betting that China will keep the peg are profiting from the decline in the dollar, but if the peg breaks, you will read about a lot of firms going out of business due to massive currency losses.

There are some FX traders who are stockpiling these cheap dollars in anticipation of the peg being broken.

Read between the lines of what you are hearing on the news and position yourself accordingly.



Damn. My bad on the Colin Powell post. :smh:






Don't worry about Colin........ we have an agreement, he doesn't show up in my threads.

This part is a little puzzling:

So the U.S. is willing to drive the dollar down in order to make it ridiculously expensive for China to export products into the U.S. (think of all the Made in China shit that comes into the U.S.), this acts as a sort of "tarriff" on Chinese goods.

If the Yuan is pegged to the dollar, then it doesn't matter to the Chinese because their goods will maintain the same price differential...........right?

Then the only goods that the resulting inflation will affect are those from the other US import markets........ the French PM (Sarkosy) even warned the US against using that tactic because it will screw up their exports to the US.

So it seems while the Chinese yuan is pegged to the dollar, the one ones that will hurt are the EU, Canada etc....


Am I right?
 
Don't worry about Colin........ we have an agreement, he doesn't show up in my threads.

This part is a little puzzling:

So the U.S. is willing to drive the dollar down in order to make it ridiculously expensive for China to export products into the U.S. (think of all the Made in China shit that comes into the U.S.), this acts as a sort of "tarriff" on Chinese goods.

If the Yuan is pegged to the dollar, then it doesn't matter to the Chinese because their goods will maintain the same price differential...........right?

Then the only goods that the resulting inflation will affect are those from the other US import markets........ the French PM (Sarkosy) even warned the US against using that tactic because it will screw up their exports to the US.

So it seems while the Chinese yuan is pegged to the dollar, the one ones that will hurt are the EU, Canada etc....


Am I right?


True. The Yuan will move lock-step with the dollar. Now, think of what that means for the producers of those goods inside of China. You are being paid with money that is artifically worth less. You are paying salaries with devalued money and therefore the market (workers) will begin demanding more money to compensate. See those news stories of the "new" Chinese middle class? How did it get there? Rising salaries.

Now as a producer in China, I'm having to pay higher salaries and making less money on my products (exchange rate). It's a squeeze play. Bad math eventually catches up and the economy/market corrects itself. How long will this take? I dunno. But the U.S. is betting it can go longer than China can.
Yes, the rest of the world (mainly the Euro) suffers, but the U.S. has a hard-on for breaking this peg and will stop at nothing to get it done.

If you haven't noticed, the U.S. got out of the domestic manufacturing game a long time ago. It's the financial & knowlege services game where the real economic power lies.

Sorry I wasn't more clear in the last post (too busy playing in Duece's big girl thread).

Peace.
 
True. The Yuan will move lock-step with the dollar. Now, think of what that means for the producers of those goods inside of China. You are being paid with money that is artifically worth less. You are paying salaries with devalued money and therefore the market (workers) will begin demanding more money to compensate. See those news stories of the "new" Chinese middle class? How did it get there? Rising salaries.

Now as a producer in China, I'm having to pay higher salaries and making less money on my products (exchange rate). It's a squeeze play. Bad math eventually catches up and the economy/market corrects itself. How long will this take? I dunno. But the U.S. is betting it can go longer than China can.
Yes, the rest of the world (mainly the Euro) suffers, but the U.S. has a hard-on for breaking this peg and will stop at nothing to get it done.

If you haven't noticed, the U.S. got out of the domestic manufacturing game a long time ago. It's the financial & knowlege services game where the real economic power lies.

Sorry I wasn't more clear in the last post (too busy playing in Duece's big girl thread).

Peace.





Thanks for responding......... i'm going to marinate on this.........................


:yes::yes::yes:
 
But Samh, how is that going to translate into your financial position if at all???

When does the trickle down effect take place and how long does it take for you to be impacted positively???


For someone with $100 000 in a savings acct (or other financial instrument), does it help?

I can see it positively affecting someone with minimal savings (it may save his/her job).

For the savers, how does it help?


It doesn't ! It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. This is a temporary fix, while this administration try to save face.:(
 
It doesn't. Your savings are devalued every time the Government is allowed to run to the fed to borrow and then they run the printing press....there is an "invisible" inflation inherent in all Fiat currency when it is taken off the Gold Standard and a government is allowed to print money at will. Our money has consistently been devalued since the creation of the Federal Reserve System.

Buffet talks about this a lot...that you need to invest JUST to keep your money at it's current value to fight the "hidden" devaluing of fiat currency. The same dollar printed since the creation of the fed is worth all but 6 cents.:smh: Indexes like the CPI only tell part of the story.

:yes:

There's been a coupla posts in this thread that touches on what it really going down with the dollar. So, im not gonna quote/repost was said, but I will try to string it all together.

The average joe is caught in the crossfire of a pissing match between the U.S. and China. How?, Why? you ask.

The U.S. has wanted China to break it's peg to the dollar and allow its currency to float. China has refused to do so. China holds quite a bit of U.S. debt and wants to ensure the money that is paid on it is worth something (and it knows its own currency isnt really worth a damn), so it pegs the yuan (renimbi) to the dollar.

The U.S. knows that once China floats its currency, its true value will be realized and the currency market/traders will take care of the rest. The U.S. also wants China to open up its markets and allow unfettered access to captial ownership within China by foreign concerns. China has flipped the world market "the bird" in this respect also. So, they are gettting to play the free market "game" without have to adhere to the "rules". Having their cake and slamming on that muh phucca too, while the world can only watch.

So the U.S. is willing to drive the dollar down in order to make it ridiculously expensive for China to export products into the U.S. (think of all the Made in China shit that comes into the U.S.), this acts as a sort of "tarriff" on Chinese goods. After a while, these exponentially higher "tarriffs" China is paying will start to have a negative effect on thier economy.

This is why you hear all the U.S. economists and the Fed chief bitchin as to why China needs to float its currency. They know once they Yuan floats, all that U.S. debt they are holding will be paid back with dollars that are worth less, and once the dollar is able to freely move against their currency, the U.S. will gain the upper hand.

The U.S. is banking on the assumption that it can hold out longer with a dollar that's not worth shit than China can with pegged currency. Once the peg is broken, China is gonna get wore out.


Those FX traders are taking positions betting that China will keep the peg are profiting from the decline in the dollar, but if the peg breaks, you will read about a lot of firms going out of business due to massive currency losses.

There are some FX traders who are stockpiling these cheap dollars in anticipation of the peg being broken.

Read between the lines of what you are hearing on the news and position yourself accordingly.



Damn. My bad on the Colin Powell post. :smh:

:yes: :yes: + there's some stuff in there that I didn't consider namely the FX traders stockpiling cheap dollars.

And Colin should never come up when we're talking about personal wealth.
 
That mother fucking fake Frenchman is just worried about sales of French gourmet items. Who do you think buys all of those $100.00 bottles of French wine?

stupid idiot, they buy american goods too. get back to school idiot n learn more about them folks. we need the french now more than the british. they are the only people in europe who can rescue us.
 
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