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"BET's Hip Hop vs America airs Tuesday September 25 at 8p.m. (ET/PT) and Wednesday September 26 at 8p.m. (ET/PT). The third episode will only be available on BET.com's Bet on Blast."


"Is hip hop corrupting us?
24/09/2007 12:01:00 AM

by Elizabeth Bromstein

"Hip Hop culture and controversy are familiar bedfellows," says the BET website. Ain't that the truth. And more recently, it goes on to say, "in the wake of the Imus controversy, hip hop finds itself under an exceptional amount of scrutiny," which is why this week BET will examine various hot button, hip hop related issues with the three part series Hip Hop vs. America, The first part of which airs Tuesday night at 8 p.m.

Topics explored will include "hip hop's relationship with criminality and law enforcement; the image of Black women in hip hop; and the pride, embarrassment and confusion Blacks often feel over hip hop's public airing of the community's 'dirty laundry.'" An esteemed collection of panellists will square off. These include but are not limited to: Nelly, TI, Mike Jones and Chuck D; authors Karrine "Superhead" Steffans, Nelson George and Keith Boykin; NPR's Farai Chideya and BET's Kim Osorio; civil rights leaders Minister Ben Chavis and the Rev. Al Sharpton.

Oh Boy! This promises to be exciting.

You know about all the stuff that's been going on right? (I got a succinct lowdown from a Newsday article by Rafer Guzman). After the whole Don Imus "nappy headed hos" debacle (seriously, I don't know if the guy should have lost his job but how exceedingly deluded do you have to be to think that's an acceptable thing to say on the air as a white guy???), the Rev. Al Sharpton started pressuring record executives to clean up the racist and sexist language on hip-hop albums, the hip-hop station Power 105 started trying to cut down on sexist material and the NAACP even held a symbolic ceremony in Detroit to "bury" the N-word. Congressional hearings into rap music's lyrical content titled From Imus to Industry: The Business of Stereotypes and Degradation begin today.

Interestingly, as BET is getting in on the discussion it's also being cited as part of the problem. Newsday tells us that, "On Sept. 15, a Maryland-based group called the Enough is Enough! Campaign held a rally outside the Washington, D.C. home of BET chairman and chief executive Debra Lee to protest the channel's 'derogatory media images of black men and women.' The rally drew about 500 people, according to news reports, and organizers have vowed to gather every weekend until BET addresses the issue. The group's leader, the Rev. Delman Coates, said there are plans to hold similar rallies in New York."

Such a heated debate this one and a tale as old as time isn't it? The hip hop version has a different twist, with the added weight of the subject of racism, but so many of the elements are eternal. Degradation of women. The question of artists as role models.

You know what this whole thing reminds me of? The PMRC and the Filthy 15. Remember that whole thing? Maybe you forgot or maybe you're too young...

In 1985 a group of four women calling themselves the Parents Music Resource Centre (PMRC) and spearheaded by Tipper Gore made it their business to try to ban what they deemed offensive music in America and sought censorship and ratings for the music industry. The hearings were absolutely fascinating and long story short that's why we have the Parental Advisory sticker (because your parents are always record shopping with you right?)

Yes, that Gore. Twenty years ago Al Gore's wife was at the forefront of the censorship movement and her ideas were being compared to the Orwellian state depicted in 1984. Megadeth, Sonic Youth, NOFX, Rage Against the Machine, Anthrax and more took on Tipper's PMRC with a venomous vengeance. Ice T wrote in his book The Ice Opinion "Tipper Gore is the only woman I ever directly called a b*tch on any of my records, and I meant that in the most negative sense of the word."

The PMRC had a list of 15 songs they found particularly offensive, 15 songs that were the absolute worst of the worst. Check out the list. I think you might find it riveting. Your history lesson for the day.

- Prince, Darling Nikki. Why? Sex/Masturbation
-Sheena Easton, Sugar Walls. Why? Sex
- Vanity, Strap on Robbie Baby. Why? Sex
- Motley Crue, Bastard. Why? Violence
- Madonna, Dress You Up. Why? Sex
- W.A.S.P., Animal (F*ck Like a Beast) Why? Sex/Language
- Def Leppard, High n' Dry (Saturday Night). Why? Drug and alcohol use
- Mercyful Fate, Into the Coven. Why? Occult
- Judas Priest, Eat Me Alive. Why? Sex
- Mary Jane Girls, In My House. Why? Sex
- Venom, Possessed. Why? Occult
- Twisted Sister, We're not Gonna Take it. Why? Violence
- Black Sabbath, Trashed. Why? Drug and Alcohol Use
- Cyndi Lauper, She Bop. Why? Sex/Masturbation
- AC/DC, Let Me Put My Love Into You. Why? Sex

It's amazing how incredibly tame the music of the eighties seems in retrospect and in comparison to what's on the airwaves these days. Hip hop lyrics can be seriously nasty. I don't think anyone would deny that. What this means for our society and culture I wouldn't begin to guess in this small space but it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

BET's Hip Hop vs America airs Tuesday September 25 at 8p.m. (ET/PT) and Wednesday September 26 at 8p.m. (ET/PT). The third episode will only be available on BET.com's Bet on Blast."
 
I'm not watching this crap. There is a clear distinction between hip-hop and rap. Hip-hop was never about killing your people or how many grams of kilos of cocaine you're bringing in from across the water. It was about partying, living, spreading awareness and uplifting your communities. Rap does embody some of those elements but it ain't hip-hop. T.I. does not represent hip-hop. Nelly does not represent hip-hop. Mike Jones, maybe.

Who they should have on the guest panel aren't even on there. Whites can differentiate between certain genres of music but anything that is dominated by a black majority gets labeled as one thing. Fuck that show!
 
Co-sign.

What many people still fail to realize a good 3 decades into the movement is that

HIPHOP = A movement dating back to the 1970s that embodies several elements (a main one being MUSIC), and greatly brings many talented members from all cultures together the world over.

RAP = As fam' member JDWALKER has pointed out ... can often be deemed (c)rap because that's what alot of the current day "artists" are bringing to the table. * You know this in that alot of said individuals are purely for the fucking ill-informed RINGTONE generation. Yet they'll always be the ones that Viacom/BET/MTV and others both plug and criticize.

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Co-sign.

What many people still fail to realize a good 3 decades into the movement is that

HIPHOP = A movement dating back to the 1970s that embodies several elements (a main one being MUSIC), and greatly brings many talented members from all cultures together the world over.

RAP = As fam' member JDWALKER has pointed out ... can often be deemed (c)rap because that's what alot of the current day "artists" are bringing to the table. * You know this in that alot of said individuals are purely for the fucking ill-informed RINGTONE generation. Yet they'll always be the ones that Viacom/BET/MTV and others both plug and criticize.

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istockphoto_1802884_hip_hop_vector_elements_1.jpg

you hit that right on the mark :yes:
 
Co-sign.

What many people still fail to realize a good 3 decades into the movement is that

HIPHOP = A movement dating back to the 1970s that embodies several elements (a main one being MUSIC), and greatly brings many talented members from all cultures together the world over.

RAP = As fam' member JDWALKER has pointed out ... can often be deemed (c)rap because that's what alot of the current day "artists" are bringing to the table. * You know this in that alot of said individuals are purely for the fucking ill-informed RINGTONE generation. Yet they'll always be the ones that Viacom/BET/MTV and others both plug and criticize.

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istockphoto_1802884_hip_hop_vector_elements_1.jpg


Well ChuckD represents true hiphop culture, the 4 elements etc... but the panel is stacked with clowns for a reason.

If the panel was Chuck D, Common, Nas along with the other guests, they'd come to the conclusion that we're all on the same side. That's not good tv. They need a train wreck.
 
Well ChuckD represents true hiphop culture, the 4 elements etc... but the panel is stacked with clowns for a reason.

If the panel was Chuck D, Common, Nas along with the other guests, they'd come to the conclusion that we're all on the same side. That's not good tv. They need a train wreck.

Don't be alarmed if resident hiphop experts Britney Spears, Souljaboy, The Ying Yang Twins, Robert Van Winkle, and The Madd Rapper are also panelists.
 
I don't know about TI and Mike Jones but Nelly is a good pick since you know someone will bring up "Tip Drill" and, for once, he'll be there to defend himself.


Actually, I do know about TI and Mike Jones. One has an album currently out with singles/videos getting major spin/play and the other is trying to get an album out and needs the publicity.


Uh, what the fuck is Karrine Steffins doing there? She fucked a lot of actors and ballplayers too not just rappers.


Nevermind, new book to sell.
 
Maybe I missed the loop or something, but what does Karrine Steffins have to do with hip hop? And when did she put out an album?
 
I guess since Superhead swallowed so many rappers, she obtained all their knowledge of rap and now knows everything about rap industry. She's like the Joker in that Batman movie with Jim Carrey, except she doesn't need a machine to get something from somebodies head.

Hip Hop ain't dead, Karrine Steffans swallowed it...
 
Is anyone surprised by this? B.E.T. has no clue what hip hop culture is. T.I., Nelly, Superhead, Mike Jones as representatives of hip hop? :roflmao: They not gonna put anyone with intelligence on that show, because they know they will get called out as a network promoting ignorance.

So they get some dudes that will shuck and jive for them, because that's who they play all day anyway.

Having said all that, I bet most of you "I don't watch BET" will be front and center watching it.
 
I don't know about TI and Mike Jones but Nelly is a good pick since you know someone will bring up "Tip Drill" and, for once, he'll be there to defend himself.


Actually, I do know about TI and Mike Jones. One has an album currently out with singles/videos getting major spin/play and the other is trying to get an album out and needs the publicity.


Uh, what the fuck is Karrine Steffins doing there? She fucked a lot of actors and ballplayers too not just rappers.


Nevermind, new book to sell.

:yes::yes:
 
I think that a lot of rappers might not want to be on the show, for fear of how they will look. It's not like a lot of them stood up in Jena last week or make any sort of stand regardless of the situation.

The other guest like Kim Osario, Nelson George, Michael Eric Dyson, Jeff Johnson, Stanley Crouch do cover a broad selection of opinions and age generations.
 
Is anyone surprised by this? B.E.T. has no clue what hip hop culture is. T.I., Nelly, Superhead, Mike Jones as representatives of hip hop? :roflmao: They not gonna put anyone with intelligence on that show, because they know they will get called out as a network promoting ignorance.

So they get some dudes that will shuck and jive for them, because that's who they play all day anyway.

Having said all that, I bet most of you "I don't watch BET" will be front and center watching it.

I AGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS,DO YOU HAVE A NEWS LETTER I CAN SUBSCRIBE TO?
 
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Nelly is still a bamboozled soul but he does defend his point well..... He just doesnt have anything to stand on..... T.I. is ignorant just like his music. Plus Nelly and TI act as if black folk owe them something by being on the panel. This is a better forum than that ESPN thing.
 
Nelly has his shit on point.

You can't just blame the artist who make the songs. The real blame should go to the media who promotes the negativity by showing the videos and playing the songs.
 
I think that a lot of rappers might not want to be on the show, for fear of how they will look. It's not like a lot of them stood up in Jena last week or make any sort of stand regardless of the situation.

The other guest like Kim Osario, Nelson George, Michael Eric Dyson, Jeff Johnson, Stanley Crouch do cover a broad selection of opinions and age generations.

the show aint bout rappers man, it's about hip-hop. none of those artist hould be n the panel cus they dont represent the culture nor the music.

krs1
will smith
rakim
mc lyte
nas
these are people i recognize as true hip-hop artist prior to going commercial in few cases.

young jeezy
t.i
50 cent
souljah boy
do not represent hip-hop
 
Nothing should change as far as Rap Music is concerned but we need to start educating our kids heavily against the onslaught of these negative stereotypes..... I agree with Soxfan, Nelly, TI , Supahead is not what Hip Hop should be.......
 
the show aint bout rappers man, it's about hip-hop. none of those artist hould be n the panel cus they dont represent the culture nor the music.

krs1
will smith
rakim
mc lyte
nas
these are people i recognize as true hip-hop artist prior to going commercial in few cases.

young jeezy
t.i
50 cent
souljah boy
do not represent hip-hop

Rap is hip hop in the 21st century. Do you see people break dancing in the subway, taggin on trains? Who is setting trends now, KRS or Lil Wayne? Rocawear is hip hop.

Those people aren't promoted and hip hop is the music of the youth. That's who they relate and listen too, not Mc Lyte or Master P.
 
This discussion is better than I thought. Does anyone know with is the name of the instrumental that is playing though the program?
 
the show aint bout rappers man, it's about hip-hop. none of those artist hould be n the panel cus they dont represent the culture nor the music.

krs1
will smith
rakim
mc lyte
nas
these are people i recognize as true hip-hop artist prior to going commercial in few cases.

young jeezy
t.i
50 cent
souljah boy
do not represent hip-hop

Whats your Definition of Hip-Hop then?
 
Nelly has his shit on point.

You can't just blame the artist who make the songs. The real blame should go to the media who promotes the negativity by showing the videos and playing the songs.

huh? kill yourself! these artist are the ones to blame niggah. they create garbage and that garbage in turns is promoted. aint nobody putting a gun to tips head forcing him recite the lyrics on his songs. he's the problem not the fucking media.that nigga is a gangster right? shouldnt no label be able to discredit your fucking race as being a people with class.
 
Superhead and Nelly are there to suck dicks, sorry i mean just superhead.

















































lol
 
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