Should we go after Federal Funding of Jena 6 School???

[water]

I think I finally got it.............

We need to get federal funding cut off from that school.

The fact that black students cannot learn in an environment of hostility,

the fact that the principal failed to assertively stamp out racist behavior,

the fact that a white tree can exist in the school

the fact that the display of a noose on federally funded school, which is a symbol of terrorism, can only be punishable by in-school suspension,


requires that we go after cutting federal funds, our tax dollars, to promote a racist uncomfortable environment.............



The fact that they are going after Columbia university's funding means that that is how they send messages................


Do you think this would be an effective strategy (amongst many of course)?

 

[LSN]

Sounds like a plan...only difference is Columbia is private and I'm assuming the Jena H.S. is public...I don't know if that can be done...

 

[VegasGuy]

How would that affect the other black kids, the teachers at that school? That is if you can get a federal judge to do this?

Who is going after Columbia University? Isn't Columbia University a private institution?

-VG

 

[smokedacane]

Yes Columbia University is a private institution

 

[water]

Sounds like a plan...only difference is Columbia is private and I'm assuming the Jena H.S. is public...I don't know if that can be done...

So am I to assume no federal money goes toward columbia via scholarships etc...???

 

[water]

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[LSN]

So am I to assume no federal money goes toward columbia via scholarships etc...???

No the assumption is that it would be easier to cease/partially block funding to a private institution versus a public one...

 

[divine]

Jena is a public H.S., paid for with county taxes?

 

[CarryOn]

It would make more sense to get rid of the administration of the school then to undermine Jena's infrastructure.

 

[water]

It would make more sense to get rid of the administration of the school then to undermine Jena's infrastructure.

Point taken.

At least threaten to go after federal funding to have the administration removed and maybe appoint an overseer for the admin to meet certain goals?

 

[MaximusBlaque]

That would mean cutting off funding for innocent students. Not everyone at that school was involved in this bullshit. Go after those responsible, but ONLY those responsible.​

 

[Star]

None are innocent in this !

 

[VegasGuy]

None are innocent in this !

Explain!

So when a decision is made to move, everyone is clear about who would be impacted directly as well as those impacted inadvertantly.

-VG

 

[Mo-Better]

None are innocent in this !

That's like saying all people are guilty. How can you make that statement?

 

[water]

So in going after Columbia University's federal funding, do you think whites are thinking about hurting the majority of students who are white?

They are sending a message to the administration that their actions are not tolerated.

Should we use the threat of getting federal funding cut off to have the administration removed?

I can't see how the principal can remain, the school board who refused to expel the students remains.

The only thing that changed in the school is the removal of the tree???

We need an admin who can foster a healthy learning environment for the learning of every child.



Why can't the threat of removing federal funding be used?

 

[water]

bump

 

[divine]

Is this thread about Columbia or Jena

 

[BCSD2012]

Your line is sweet but your hook is rusty.

 

[water]

Your line is sweet but your hook is rusty.

Care to share????

 

[water]

Is this thread about Columbia or Jena

I am trying to show that Columbia is a private institution yet there is a growing movement to cut off federal funding from it because they hosted the Iranian leader


Well Jena HS is a public institution and we should employ the same strategy to have serious changes made not only in this high school but all federally funded schools......


I just want to get some constructive feedback.........

 

[CarryOn]

I think you would have to find a congressman willing to set up such legislature, and then for him to get other congressmen behind it. I dont think you could. I dont think the federal funding of such a small school would be much to go after either. But on top of all of that it might not even be possible to threaten a single public schools federal funding to begin with.

It would probably be easier to get legislation to pass if it was meant to insure the equal treatment of students throughout america and not just Jena. And when accusations of unequal treatment arise investigations could take place and the proper actions taken afterwards. Because this is one school and one incident and there have been several instances of unequal treatment in southern schools in recent years.

 

[VegasGuy]

Question for you Kayanation because I don't know clearly if you've spelled out the objective.
Are you going after the school, the procecutors/DA for making these comments reported on BGOL, the racism that exists in the institution or the racist that use the institution itself or what?

Because pulling funding from the school, if you can even do that, is also saying you are willing to punish other students to free a troubled kid who happens to be black. From what I read, the only kid still in jail has kind of an extensive criminal record already.

Is punishing the balance of the children in that school system the way to go? And is it even fair?

-VG

 

[water]

Question for you Kayanation because I don't know clearly if you've spelled out the objective.
Are you going after the school, the procecutors/DA for making these comments reported on BGOL, the racism that exists in the institution or the racist that use the institution itself or what?

Because pulling funding from the school, if you can even do that, is also saying you are willing to punish other students to free a troubled kid who happens to be black. From what I read, the only kid still in jail has kind of an extensive criminal record already.

Is punishing the balance of the children in that school system the way to go? And is it even fair?

-VG

Ojective:

Going after the school board who decided not to expel the kids who hung the noose.
The school board who willingly allowed the racial climate to escalate and nip it in the bud.

Going after the principal who by blowing off the noose question helped to encourage by his non-action, the hostile atmosphere already existing at the school.

It was his direct responsibility to ensure that EVERY kid was learning in a comfortable atmosphere.

The DA for his comments about making lives go away with a flick of his pen.
For his lack of appropriate action on the events that preceded the final fight.
For his exaggerated actions following the final fight.


So now that the idea of threatening to go after federal funding is put to the prism of being fair????




The entire school admin & the DA needs to be overhauled.............

 

[Autonomous]

It would make more sense to get rid of the administration of the school then to undermine Jena's infrastructure.

Co-sign

 

[AtlSportsFan]

I think I finally got it.............

We need to get federal funding cut off from that school.

The fact that black students cannot learn in an environment of hostility,

the fact that the principal failed to assertively stamp out racist behavior,

the fact that a white tree can exist in the school

the fact that the display of a noose on federally funded school, which is a symbol of terrorism, can only be punishable by in-school suspension,


requires that we go after cutting federal funds, our tax dollars, to promote a racist uncomfortable environment.............



The fact that they are going after Columbia university's funding means that that is how they send messages................


Do you think this would be an effective strategy (amongst many of course)?

No, it won't be an effective strategy!

Do you actually know what FEDERAL FUNDING goes into public schools?

I'll help you out:

Free Lunch Program
Title I
Title II

At most school systems where I HAVE STUDIED THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS; this Federal Funding amounts to about 10% of the total school System Budget; assuming that Jena HS is in a very poor school system from looks of the school itself, their Fed. Funding might be about 15-20% of the Total Budget.

It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get Federal Funding cut from a school SYSTEM, they don't cut it for individual schools; what they will do is REVIEW what is happening and DEMAND THAT CHANGES BE MADE, and then track the PROGRESS that is made.

Here in Atlanta, the Fulton Co. school system just finished up being reviewed EVERY YR. to see if they lived up to provisions of the 1954 Brown Decision; I think they finally stopped reviewing them maybe 2 yrs. ago; BUT THEY NEVER CUT OFF FEDERAL FUNDING.

What they do is issue MANDATES, and then they give the School System a chance to correct the issues IN HOUSE, over a certain period of time, Cutting off funding is damn near impossible.

Not a reasonable course of action IMHO!

Sounded good!

Sounded angry; speaking "truth to power"!

Reality: Totally UNREASONABLE

How can you prove that Blacks cannot learn in that ENVIRONMENT?

Many whites drop out from Jena HS also, do whites have a case that they cannot learn in that school environment.

The moral of the story is that you can't make demands with ambiguous, unprovable, or hard to prove Claims!

 

[RunawaySlave]

That would mean cutting off funding for innocent students. Not everyone at that school was involved in this bullshit. Go after those responsible, but ONLY those responsible.​

Everybody who was aware of the problem and did or said
nothing IS responsible.

In exactly the same way that police officers who help
maintain the "blue wall of silence" are culpable as well

SILENCE = DEATH

 

[water]

Everybody who was aware of the problem and did or said nothing IS responsible.

In exactly the same way that police officers who help
maintain the "blue wall of silence" are culpable as well

SILENCE = DEATH

I find it funny that even though I said we should threaten to have funding cut off, no t it's not fair..............


Do you they think having a white tree and nooses tied from the tree to be "fair" to the black kids???

That school is getting some of my tax dollars and someone needs to be held accountable!!!

 

[water]

No, it won't be an effective strategy!

Do you actually know what FEDERAL FUNDING goes into public schools?

I'll help you out:

Free Lunch Program
Title I
Title II

At most school systems where I HAVE STUDIED THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS; this Federal Funding amounts to about 10% of the total school System Budget; assuming that Jena HS is in a very poor school system from looks of the school itself, their Fed. Funding might be about 15-20% of the Total Budget.

It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get Federal Funding cut from a school SYSTEM, they don't cut it for individual schools; what they will do is REVIEW what is happening and DEMAND THAT CHANGES BE MADE, and then track the PROGRESS that is made.

Here in Atlanta, the Fulton Co. school system just finished up being reviewed EVERY YR. to see if they lived up to provisions of the 1954 Brown Decision; I think they finally stopped reviewing them maybe 2 yrs. ago; BUT THEY NEVER CUT OFF FEDERAL FUNDING.

What they do is issue MANDATES, and then they give the School System a chance to correct the issues IN HOUSE, over a certain period of time, Cutting off funding is damn near impossible.

Not a reasonable course of action IMHO!

Sounded good!

Sounded angry; speaking "truth to power"!

Reality: Totally UNREASONABLE

How can you prove that Blacks cannot learn in that ENVIRONMENT?

Many whites drop out from Jena HS also, do whites have a case that they cannot learn in that school environment.

The moral of the story is that you can't make demands with ambiguous, unprovable, or hard to prove Claims!

Do you ever make sense???

Get rid of those colored fonts and type like a man!!!

Ok KingGrownMan (that's who you remind me of) you said that :


At most school systems where I HAVE STUDIED THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS; this Federal Funding amounts to about 10% of the total school System Budget; assuming that Jena HS is in a very poor school system from looks of the school itself, their Fed. Funding might be about 15-20% of the Total Budget."


which means the threat of cutting off federal funding WILL mean that much more, right???


Anyway you should have continued reading the thread before you posted on the first response you saw that you disagreed with.

All the rest is just bullshit, "how can you prove blacks can't learn under that environment" etc....


Do you think if they had put up a swastika, jews would be arguing about if it affects the learning of their children????


Don't let me have to bump your 2 favorite threads...............