BREAKING: Jonathan Majors avoids jail time in assault and harassment sentencing

I still really think the mouse set him up from the jump.

I don't see it.

He was obsessed with that crazy snowflake WAY before bro. You heard friends and colleagues coming out like why were you still messing with her? and he kinda weird himself as we saw.

He did that to himself.

Still doesn't excuse destroying that man career
 
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Good analysis and point.....

I may be a little naive, has there been any other times when a major studio banked a whole trilogy/ story arc..... around one person / character and that person ruined it off screen?

Like Mark Hamil wasn't a piece of shit druggy and alcy that was dismissed from Star Wars.

RDJ had his own issues with the law and movies, but he wasn't the focus of a whole series of movies back then......

Maybe Shia Lebouf and Transformers and then Indiana Jones......? Anyone else?
 
Good analysis and point.....

I may be a little naive, has there been any other times when a major studio banked a whole trilogy/ story arc..... around one person / character and that person ruined it off screen?

Like Mark Hamil wasn't a piece of shit druggy and alcy that was dismissed from Star Wars.

RDJ had his own issues with the law and movies, but he wasn't the focus of a whole series of movies back then......

Maybe Shia Lebouf and Transformers and then Indiana Jones......? Anyone else?

I was going to say Shia because of Indy and Transformers

Its tricky cause depends some projects were recast some antics ruined careers and some ruined projects

The easiest biggest example is Ezra Miller DCU Flash

Gina Carrano went full MAGA missed up the Star Wars spin offs kinda

Kevin Spacey House of Cards

Ed Norton COULD have been Hulk

TJ Miller messed up Deadpool kinda but they recovered well and his own life was destroyed

Isaiah Washington Grey's Anatomy

Off the top I'm sure there are more.
 
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I don't see it.

He was obsessed with that crazy snowflake WAY before bro. You heard friends and colleagues coming out like why were you still messing with her? and he kinda weird himself as we saw.

He did that to himself.

Still doesn't excuse destroying that man career
I thought he met that wight walker on the set of Ant-man.

Disney knew he was an odd duck and probably was asking for way too much. (That shit was probably shown in that seen in Wonderman how Simon came off trying to rewrite a character and ended up getting fired)

Yeah he did that to himself but that apple was there to be plucked.

In my unpopular opinion.
 
I thought he met that wight walker on the set of Ant-man.

Disney knew he was an odd duck and probably was asking for way too much. (That shit was probably shown in that seen in Wonderman how Simon came off trying to rewrite a character and ended up getting fired)

Yeah he did that to himself but that apple was there to be plucked.

In my unpopular opinion.

What do you mean by that?
 
I thought he met that wight walker on the set of Ant-man.

Disney knew he was an odd duck and probably was asking for way too much. (That shit was probably shown in that seen in Wonderman how Simon came off trying to rewrite a character and ended up getting fired)

Yeah he did that to himself but that apple was there to be plucked.

In my unpopular opinion.

Yeah he did meet her on set i THINK...and apparently she was weird since then.
 
Just going back to the opinion that Disney set him up. Poison Apple = her

Oh okay. I dont see it

Why? They could have just fired him

They lost $100s of millions this way and the bad press and headache and umm MONEY!

What if the fight in the car or the chase lead to a serious accident?

Majors BEEN weird (like many in Hollywood) and chose a white woman he wanted to be his Corretta Scott King? You saw those interviews? Marvel did that?

You think Disney MADE HIM link up with a crazy white woman and then told her to be extra crazy and that Johnathan would be super attracted to her crazy even though it was so crazy others warned him his career and freedom would be threatened?

How the hell is Disney or Marvel responsible or BENEFIT from that?

Okay. Man if they were THAT smart to have the actual powers of Kang Loki and Doom combined???

Why were they making so many bad projects in a row??!!
 
I was going to say Shia because of Indy and Transformers

Its tricky cause depends some projects were recast some antics ruined careers and some ruined projects

The easiest biggest example is Ezra Miller DCU Flash

Gina Carrano went full MAGA missed up the Star Wars spin offs kinda

Kevin Spacey House of Cards

Ed Norton COULD have been Hulk

TJ Miller messed up Deadpool kinda but they recovered well and his own life was destroyed

Isaiah Washington Grey's Anatomy

Off the top I'm sure there are more.
Jared Leto..? :dunno:
 
Being punished and being held accountable is a distinction without a difference. An unwanted consequence to an action is definitionally a punishment.

The question should be if he's being unfairly punished. I don't have an answer or even an opinion on that question.

all unwanted consequences is a punishment?
 
I was going to say Shia because of Indy and Transformers

Its tricky cause depends some projects were recast some antics ruined careers and some ruined projects

The easiest biggest example is Ezra Miller DCU Flash

Gina Carrano went full MAGA missed up the Star Wars spin offs kinda

Kevin Spacey House of Cards

Ed Norton COULD have been Hulk

TJ Miller messed up Deadpool kinda but they recovered well and his own life was destroyed

Isaiah Washington Grey's Anatomy

Off the top I'm sure there are more.

Don't forget TJ Miller also fucked up Silicon Valley so bad that they wrote his character off by saying he'd gone to Tibet and was last seen in an Opium Den.
 
I was going to say Shia because of Indy and Transformers

Its tricky cause depends some projects were recast some antics ruined careers and some ruined projects

The easiest biggest example is Ezra Miller DCU Flash

Gina Carrano went full MAGA missed up the Star Wars spin offs kinda

Kevin Spacey House of Cards

Ed Norton COULD have been Hulk

TJ Miller messed up Deadpool kinda but they recovered well and his own life was destroyed

Isaiah Washington Grey's Anatomy

Off the top I'm sure there are more.

Ezra is a good one, but he was part of a bigger story, that ended up getting canceled due to numerous other reasons.

Spacey is a good one. He was definitely the face of that series. (Judging from the nominations and thumbnails, I never watched it.) Netflix definitely had to rework things because of his off screen life.

Ed Norton seems more like a Rock, Black Adam situation. But that's just my fuzy memory of the situation.

Was Gina being ushered into her own story / a main character? I barely finished Mando season 1..... I definitely meant to get back to it, there's just so much damn content now.

I guess the Majors situation seems so unique because of the sheer amount of money and pieces involved. Moving on from Kang was/is a $200+ million decision. Majors contract to whatever extent had to be honored. The rewriting of multiple lead up movies/series...... the contracts for new "players"..... the advertising and merch campaigns that were already in the works to now whats happening.....

when its all said and done this might be a $500+ million decision.

I don't think any other franchise has made that costly/ vast of a pivot that wasn't related to a person's death.
 
Oh okay. I dont see it

Why? They could have just fired him

They lost $100s of millions this way and the bad press and headache and umm MONEY!

What if the fight in the car or the chase lead to a serious accident?

Majors BEEN weird (like many in Hollywood) and chose a white woman he wanted to be his Corretta Scott King? You saw those interviews? Marvel did that?

You think Disney MADE HIM link up with a crazy white woman and then told her to be extra crazy and that Johnathan would be super attracted to her crazy even though it was so crazy others warned him his career and freedom would be threatened?

How the hell is Disney or Marvel responsible or BENEFIT from that?

Okay. Man if they were THAT smart to have the actual powers of Kang Loki and Doom combined???

Why were they making so many bad projects in a row??!!
You couldn't just fire a Black man who was at the time the recruiting face of the Army and was getting Oscar buzz for just being weird so you could change and blow up everything and reset.

Disney didn't have make her do anything extra. As careful as they are, you don't think they miss any info on anything and anyone?

You can always put something out in front of someone if know their preferences.

Disney ends up getting their favorite son back and we're still watching the MCU at the same rate overall.
 
You couldn't just fire a Black man who was at the time the recruiting face of the Army and was getting Oscar buzz for just being weird so you could change and blow up everything and reset.

Disney didn't have make her do anything extra. As careful as they are, you don't think they miss any info on anything and anyone?

You can always put something out in front of someone if know their preferences.

Disney ends up getting their favorite son back and we're still watching the MCU at the same rate overall.
My bad if you explained this already, but why would Disney want to get rid of him that badly? They hired him.

Before this he was really popular so I don't understand how he would've been considered a liability.
 
You couldn't just fire a Black man who was at the time the recruiting face of the Army and was getting Oscar buzz for just being weird so you could change and blow up everything and reset.

Disney didn't have make her do anything extra. As careful as they are, you don't think they miss any info on anything and anyone?

You can always put something out in front of someone if know their preferences.

Disney ends up getting their favorite son back and we're still watching the MCU at the same rate overall.

I love a good conspiracy theory.....

But I just don't see it, because ultimately this is an at least $200 million change of course.

For 1 black men....?!

If they didn't want him to have that "power" or to be the face of the franchise..... they didn't have to hire him.

They wanted to hitch their horses to his cart, they wanted to ride his wave because he was beginning to shine as an A list "star." In the wake of Chadwick's death there was soooo much hype to have him as the "big bad" and to see how he tackled the multifaceted/ multidimensional aspects of that character........
 
You couldn't just fire a Black man who was at the time the recruiting face of the Army and was getting Oscar buzz for just being weird so you could change and blow up everything and reset.

Disney didn't have make her do anything extra. As careful as they are, you don't think they miss any info on anything and anyone?

You can always put something out in front of someone if know their preferences.

Disney ends up getting their favorite son back and we're still watching the MCU at the same rate overall.

Bro we just saw Disney end Armor Wars, Wonder Man and Blade. So that aint no issue.

I don't like the narrative that that grown ass man was so f**king weak that the white people knew to sprinkle some white tail in front of him to make him lose his mind.

that's offensive.

Why can't the man f**k up JUST LIKE HUNDREDS OF OTHER ACTORS have f**ked up?

We don't need to create some elaborate mission impossible scenario.

White women are the devil...wtf about that is NEW? Some brothers make HORRIBLE decisions when it comes to women. PERIOD

And you CANNOT just ignore them losing $100s of millions to get this done.

it would have been easier and cheaper and more beneficial by your logic to just kill him.
 
Bro we just saw Disney end Armor Wars, Wonder Man and Blade. So that aint no issue.

I don't like the narrative that that grown ass man was so f**king weak that the white people knew to sprinkle some white tail in front of him to make him lose his mind.

that's offensive.

Why can't the man f**k up JUST LIKE HUNDREDS OF OTHER ACTORS have f**ked up?

We don't need to create some elaborate mission impossible scenario.

White women are the devil...wtf about that is NEW? Some brothers make HORRIBLE decisions when it comes to women. PERIOD

And you CANNOT just ignore them losing $100s of millions to get this done.

it would have been easier and cheaper and more beneficial by your logic to just kill him.
Ima drop it. I'm entitled to create crazy scenario that defies common logic.

However, he in particular was weak in that aspect.

Honeytraps ain't nothing new.

Never underestimate white people creating elaborate plans to burn shit down.

Killing him wouldn't have solved it.
 
Ima drop it. I'm entitled to create crazy scenario that defies common logic.

However, he in particular was weak in that aspect.

Honeytraps ain't nothing new.

Never underestimate white people creating elaborate plans to burn shit down.

Killing him wouldn't have solved it.

Why not?
 
For....... Morbius or Skeletor.....?

Cuz critics are talking like neither was getting a sequel
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Wait.....

Are we talking about the same thing.....?

I was asking what franchises were negatively effected by Leto's off screen drama.

With that said, I recall there being some on set drama around the movie.

But this movie wasn't performing. The story was .....meh.

The budget was $220M, (adjust to roughly $250/$260M to include marketing)......

It only grossed $140M worldwide.

That wasn't a Leto problem, that was a director, story, Disney problem.

Tron was released in 1982, Legacy in 2005, Ares in 2025 ...... how the fuck did they expect stringing a trilogy across 40+ years would turn out?!! They squeezed all the juice they could from that IP, (without properly setting each sequel up).
 
Wait.....

Are we talking about the same thing.....?

I was asking what franchises were negatively effected by Leto's off screen drama.

With that said, I recall there being some on set drama around the movie.

But this movie wasn't performing. The story was .....meh.

The budget was $220M, (adjust to roughly $250/$260M to include marketing)......

It only grossed $140M worldwide.

That wasn't a Leto problem, that was a director, story, Disney problem.

Tron was released in 1982, Legacy in 2005, Ares in 2025 ...... how the fuck did they expect stringing a trilogy across 40+ years would turn out?!! They squeezed all the juice they could from that IP, (without properly setting each sequel up).

^^^^
 
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