Do Democrats Really Love Black People?

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<font size="5"><center>Politics 101- Part I:
Do Democrats Really Love Black People?</font size></center>


Black Press USA
by Hazel Trice Edney
NNPA Editor-in-Chief
September 12, 2007

Editor's Note: In 2004, Black people voted 89 percent for the Democratic presidential candidate and 10 percent for Bush. Some pundits argue that the Democratic Party is the best hope for African-Americans, given the chilling Right Wing bent of Republicans.

But some of the nation's most respected civil rights leaders say the faithfulness of Black voters is not rewarded by Democrats and not desired by Republicans.



WASHINGTON (NNPA) – Congressional Democrats, now nine months into their ruling majority, boast proudly of their key legislation affecting African-Americans.

New acts of Congress include long-awaited fetes, such as the increase in the minimum wage, relief for Black farmers and last week’s increase in the Pell Grant for college tuition.

Yet, some seasoned political observers all but yawn as they point out that mostly tepid issues are being addressed by Democratic presidential candidates. Their criticism raises the question, Do Democrats really love Black people?

“Of course not,” scoffs a chuckling Kathie Stromile Golden, executive director of the National Conference of Black Political Scientists. “They love them to the extent that [Blacks] can help them get elected. Historically they are better. Certainly we’ve been more hopeful. But that’s not because they actually love Black folks…It’s politics,” says Golden, professor of political science and director of international programs at Mississippi Valley State University.

Ron Walters, former strategist in the presidential campaigns of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, echoes Golden.

“Basically, what they want to do is to get in the White House. They want to win,” says Walters, a political scientist at the University of Maryland. “And that means if they have to overthrow the civil rights agenda, they’ll do it. And that is essentially what they’ve been trying to do. So, no, they don’t love Black people. It’s just that they love winning.”

The danger is that the party shifts with political winds, Walters explains.
In 1984, after Jackson’s first presidential run and second term Republican President Ronald Reagan defeated Democratic nominee former Vice President Walter Mondale, there were a series of meetings among the Democratic Party leadership, Walters recalls.

“One of those meetings was very hot because some of the younger leaders of the Party were arguing that they had to reconfigure the role of the civil rights movement in the party’s profile, in the party’s image.

In other words, the Democratic Party was getting to be too Black…It meant that they had to be less aggressive in their support of civil rights issues, and they began systematically to do that.”

So, despite President Clinton’s reputation for an affinity toward Black people, he was head of the Southern Governor’s Association, which was opposed to affirmative action, says Walters.

“And that’s where the leadership of the party came from for eight years. And so, the only reason they didn’t do away with affirmative action was because of the protests on the part of Blacks. Otherwise, they tried to tinker with that civil rights legacy every way that they knew how.”

As Democratic presidential contenders fight to succeed George W. Bush, could the Party return to politics as usual? Democratic Party leaders bristle at the question.

“We’ve got to stop this stuff in the community saying the Democrats are taking everybody for granted,” says Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

“There’s been more done in six months [by Congress] for the African-American community than the Republicans did in six years. This is not a matter of giving up your values. If you do that, you can’t win elections.”

The record speaks for itself, says Dean.

“This is not a matter of who likes Black people. This is a matter of this system and the Democratic Party has really worked incredibly well for African-Americans,” Dean says. “The first thing we did after the Democrats took over was raise the minimum wage. That disproportionately affects African-Americans. Sixteen percent of all African-American workers were affected by that minimum wage increase.”

All 43 Black members of Congress are Democrats, he adds.

And with a record four Black committee chairs, 16 subcommittee chairs, and Black Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), those Blacks finally have historic power, Dean points out.

“So, I completely disagree with the notion that this is about whether Democrats love Black people or not. This is about Democrats creating a system where African-Americans could succeed.”

That system is working says U. S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and reputed dean of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Ticking off a list of House successes, including the Hate Crimes Act, the Emmett Till Act to solve unsolved civil rights crimes, the D. C. Voting Rights Act and the Anti-Voter Intimidation Act, Conyers says the drawback for even more aggressive legislation may be in the math.

With 233 Democrats and 202 Republicans in the House, there’s only a margin of 31 votes, he says. Therefore, if 16 Democrats don’t agree with the CBC and the leadership position and the Republicans stay organized, the Democrats lose.

Even the Democrats are divided, he points out. There are 43 members of the CBC, but there are 48 Blue Dogs, the conservative Democrats. “Our majority is quite frankly a very thin one,” Conyers resolves.

Conyers praises Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). “She’s been cooperating with me fully,” he says. But, that cooperation with African-Americans has not transferred into the presidential race, civil rights leaders say.

“I am not supporting anybody,” says the Rev. Al Sharpton during a recent airing of his nationally syndicated radio talk show. “Until I know, whoever I support, where they are on issues like the Supreme Court and they talk about specific cases, I am not – N-O-T,” he spells the word for emphasis.

“I am perfectly willing to be the one to force all of them to deal with these issues if I have to.”

Democrats received 89 percent of the Black vote in the 2004 presidential election and Black voters are largely credited with the current Democratic majority in Congress.

Despite the allegiance, Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Capitol Hill lobbyist says less than 1 percent of the NAACP’s legislative agenda has come to a positive resolution and only about 10 percent has begun to move through the process.

Shelton stresses that this is only the first session of the 110th Congress and he fully expects more progress on issues such as the drop out rate, high stakes testing in “No Child Left Behind”, school construction, help for Hurricane Katrina victims, mandatory minimum sentences and the death penalty, which the NAACP opposes.

The NAACP is a non-partisan organization, but Shelton says he has noticed a difference since the Democrats took over.

“We’re seeing more movement on our bills, more substantive movement,” he says. “There was very little movement on these issues.”

Still he dreads a possible change in political climate with pending House, Senate and presidential campaigns.
“I will say that we are very concerned about what happens when we get into 2008, an election year when the approach to politics begins to change significantly with the elections in mind,” he says.

“You’ll have an awful lot of posturing going on. The real question is, in that posturing, will we see the kinds of commitment to actually implement programs that are important to our community?”

The answer is already clear, says Jesselyn McCurdy, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, another non-partisan organization that has discovered a bottle neck with civil rights legislation even with the Democratic Congress.

Describing the movement on key civil rights and criminal justice issues so far as “baby steps”, McCurdy agrees that hope wanes as the elections near.
“The closer we come to the presidential election, there will be less willingness to address the issues that the civil rights community and African-Americans are concerned about in this country,” she says. “Maybe some of these issues will be just put on the back burner because they give the [impression] of being soft on crime.”

Dean says he will push for the presidential candidates to address more issues as the election nears.
“They’ve got to make their own decisions about what they’re going to say, but I’m certainly going to add things to the agenda like public education, like workforce training like supporting parents,” he says.

Walters concedes that Black people – loved or not - really don’t have much of a choice between the two parties, considering the Right Wing associations of the Republican Party.

“They have scared the hell out of Black people,” says Walters. “So that kind of keeps you at home. It doesn’t give you much room to maneuver.”

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The answer is...it depends but it is most definately CONDITIONAL!

Anytime I read a black person on this board make this definative claim , "..any democrat running for president is BETTER than any republican", it's not hard to make the connection that it doesn't matter what so ever what that white democrats history is, doesn't matter what his family connections are, doesn't matter how many slaves their grandparents may or may not have owned, we think they are better because they are democrat.

Now, lets be clear I don't advocate one party over another. I try to make a judgement based on issues and values, not intangables like race, party religion etc. Will this person make it possible that my kids will do better under their leadership? Does this person have the power and will to do the shit they promise on the campaign trail?

The NAACP is a non-partisan organization, but Shelton says he has noticed a difference since the Democrats took over.

Who in their right mind believes that? The NAACP is as far left as I've ever seen it not to mention a political tool of white liberals and the homosexual lobby. Non-partisan doesn't exist there.


-VG
 
Why do it matter if any political party "loves" us anyway?

Am I the only person who believes that the government isn't here to love, or hate us? I feel that our government should only protect our basic rights. So I'm for anyone who isn't trying to control my lively hood. Thats why I'm an Independent.
 
actinanass said:
Thats why I'm an Independent.
Being "Independent" - whether you're a member of whatever party - is a good thing. But you, Sir, shouldn't lie tryna hide the obvious.

QueEx
 
Being "Independent" - whether you're a member of whatever party - is a good thing. But you, Sir, shouldn't lie tryna hide the obvious.

QueEx

If you thinking the obvious that I agree with Bush about the war, immigration, and the economy, then you are right. My problem with the Democrats are they say things, but do not act on it. It's hard to stand behind a party when EVERYTHING they promise, they don't come through. Now, would I vote for a democrat, yes if he is for the issues I'm for. However, I be damn if I vote for a party because everyone else is doing it.

Another thing, I know that both parties are about control *in their own little way*. Thats why I'm an independent. An independent that happens to agree with Bush on SOME issues.
 
Cool. :cool:

Now let us see more of your "Independent" thinking ... a less of your partisan thinking

QueEx
 
Both the Dems and Reps love Money, and they'll take it from anybody that gives it to them, point blank, this isn't the fucking 1800's or the early part of the 20th century, in which the party lines weren't blurred
 
Democrats have a love-hate relationship with Blacks, I'm sure they hate we don't turnout for elections like we should, if we did Gore would have beaten Bush and so would Kerry, on the other hand they love the fact we blindly support them without giving conservatism a chance. If more Blacks did support conservatism you would see a organized, business oriented Black community. Instead we have a socialist leaning community which is too dependent on government programs and plays into the Democratic vision of an activist government that solves everybody's problem and makes everybody happy......
 
There will never be a true conservative candidate that represents black people until wealthy black businessmen come together and pick someone to speak on their behalf.
 
There will never be a true conservative candidate that represents black people until wealthy black businessmen come together and pick someone to speak on their behalf.
who says wealthy black businessmen represent black people? or black conservatives?
 
who says wealthy black businessmen represent black people? or black conservatives?

No one single candidate can represent the interests of ALL black people. That would be impossible.

Generally speaking though, a businessman is going to support laws, bills and candidates that represent his best interests. Those interests usually include morally conservative values since holding such values are often necessary for financial advancement.
 
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The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.

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by BOB HERBERT

Published: September 25, 2007


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/o...orials and Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Bob Herbert

I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. But what I’d really like to see is a million angry protesters marching on the headquarters of the National Republican Party in Washington.

Enough is enough. Last week the Republicans showed once again just how anti-black their party really is.

The G.O.P. has spent the last 40 years insulting, disenfranchising and otherwise stomping on the interests of black Americans. Last week, the residents of Washington, D.C., with its majority black population, came remarkably close to realizing a goal they have sought for decades — a voting member of Congress to represent them.

A majority in Congress favored the move, and the House had already approved it. But the Republican minority in the Senate — with the enthusiastic support of President Bush — rose up on Tuesday and said: “No way, baby.”

At least 57 senators favored the bill, a solid majority. But the Republicans prevented a key motion on the measure from receiving the 60 votes necessary to move it forward in the Senate. The bill died.

At the same time that the Republicans were killing Congressional representation for D.C. residents, the major G.O.P. candidates for president were offering a collective slap in the face to black voters nationally by refusing to participate in a long-scheduled, nationally televised debate focusing on issues important to minorities.

The radio and television personality Tavis Smiley worked for a year to have a pair of these debates televised on PBS, one for the Democratic candidates and the other for the Republicans. The Democratic debate was held in June, and all the major candidates participated.

The Republican debate is scheduled for Thursday. But Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson have all told Mr. Smiley: “No way, baby.”

They won’t be there. They can’t be bothered debating issues that might be of interest to black Americans. After all, they’re Republicans.

This is the party of the Southern strategy — the party that ran, like panting dogs, after the votes of segregationist whites who were repelled by the very idea of giving equal treatment to blacks. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. (Willie Horton) Bush, George W. (Compassionate Conservative) Bush — they all ran with that lousy pack.

Dr. Carolyn Goodman, a woman I was privileged to call a friend, died last month at the age of 91. She was the mother of Andrew Goodman, one of the three young civil rights activists shot to death by rabid racists near Philadelphia, Miss., in 1964.

Dr. Goodman, one of the most decent people I have ever known, carried the ache of that loss with her every day of her life.

In one of the vilest moves in modern presidential politics, Ronald Reagan, the ultimate hero of this latter-day Republican Party, went out of his way to kick off his general election campaign in 1980 in that very same Philadelphia, Miss. He was not there to send the message that he stood solidly for the values of Andrew Goodman. He was there to assure the bigots that he was with them.

“I believe in states’ rights,” said Mr. Reagan. The crowd roared.

In 1981, during the first year of Mr. Reagan’s presidency, the late Lee Atwater gave an interview to a political science professor at Case Western Reserve University, explaining the evolution of the Southern strategy:

“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Niģģer, niģģer, niģģer,’ ” said Atwater. “By 1968, you can’t say ‘niģģer’ — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.”

In 1991, the first President Bush poked a finger in the eye of black America by selecting the egregious Clarence Thomas for the seat on the Supreme Court that had been held by the revered Thurgood Marshall. The fact that there is a rigid quota on the court, permitting one black and one black only to serve at a time, is itself racist.

Mr. Bush seemed to be saying, “All right, you want your black on the court? Boy, have I got one for you.”

Republicans improperly threw black voters off the rolls in Florida in the contested presidential election of 2000, and sent Florida state troopers into the homes of black voters to intimidate them in 2004.

Blacks have been remarkably quiet about this sustained mistreatment by the Republican Party, which says a great deal about the quality of black leadership in the U.S. It’s time for that passive, masochistic posture to end.


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The "Whites-Only" Sign on The GOP's "Big Tent"


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by VERNON JORDAN

Published: September 21, 2007


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vernon-jordan/the-whitesonly-sign-on_b_65385.html

The candidates for the Republican party's presidential nod are building quite a track record--of snubbing prospective voters. This week the four leading candidates--Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Rudolph Giuliani and John McCain--added the PBS-sponsored debate at Baltimore's historically-black Morgan State University to their "I'll-pass" list. That list now includes the National Urban League, Univision, the Spanish-language television network, the National Association of Latino Elected Officials and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. It's getting to be a long list.

But perhaps it's those of us who are dismayed by these displays of camapign cowardice that just don't get it.

Perhaps the GOP candidates are following the same script the Bush administration has used for governance: be irresponsible.

Or perhaps, they're developing a new paradigm for how a political party contests elections. Perhaps they want to test that you actually improve your chances of winning by snubbing entire groups of voters, and that in a nation whose voting pool is becoming more and more diverse, you make it clear you want just the votes of whites.

Republicans love to talk about Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, presidents whom they hold up as having met the tests of greatness. Is this what Abraham Lincoln would do? Is this what Ronald Reagan would do?

Republicans also used to talk about their welcoming all Americans into the party of the "big tent." But actions speak louder than words. The actions of the Republican candidates make it clear the big tent has a whites-only sign over the entrance.





 
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