Ultimate Horror Film Thread

[tallblacknyc]

Nonsense. Horror flicks scare plenty of adults. In fact, some adults, like my uncle, still can't watch them in their 50s.

Anyway, I wasn't judging by my current age but by my adolescence. I was around 12-13 when I really got into horror and, of course, I started* with the slasher films because those were the most talked about. They weren't scary to me when I was an adolescent. Meanwhile, a good supernatural horror were always able to creep me out which is what I liked.

Yeah, I know a killer can happen in real life but, of course, plenty of people will argue up and down that hauntings can happen in real life too. What can't happen in real life is that a serial killer can survive gun fire unscathed and continue to kill. That said, the plausability of the situation doesn't mean it's scary to watch. Man-eating sharks, tornadoes, and tsunamis are deadly and can happen in real life, that doesn't make watching movies about them scary.

As for no flick in the 2000s being horror, that's definitely a hot take. I know for a fact plenty of horror afficionados would disagree. Personally, I won't touch on it because it's irrelevant to my point. Which is, simply, slashers from any era aren't scary. You're not going to convince me otherwise. I don't care how many people found them scary decades ago or even today. They're not scary to me and they're my least favorite horror.

*Actually the horrors are started with were more comedic horrors like Toxic Avenger and Leprechaun series at around 10-11 years old.

Toxic avenger is not a horror film.. Whoa its like people are throwing anything in the horror genre.. That's a superhero flick.. A violent superhero flick.. Had a cartoon and everything.. Its a dark comedy

As far as slasher films they not all build the same.. Especially the whole taking multiple shots.. Some do but its the supernatural kind, others have human element.. Its the chase, the terrorizing aspect.. Why I said when a stranger calls.. You had old school physcho movie that is a slasher film

This is based on the true story of Ted bundy.. This would go under the horror genre.. This was on regular tv back in the 80s.. This is why things like slasher films scare people cause you had real life maniacs out here



Than you had this documentary of the Atlanta child murders in the 80s thiat was based on the true story.. Also was on regular tv..The way it was shot had that slasher /mystery vibe.. Its things like this why slasher films scared a shitload of generations.. Cause of all the true serial killers out there

 

[Piff Henderson]

Toxic avenger is not a horror film.. Whoa its like people are throwing anything in the horror genre.. That's a superhero flick.. A violent superhero flick.. Had a cartoon and everything.. Its a dark comedy

You started your reply with a paragraph being pedantic about a single line I dropped at the end of a multiple paragraph essay . Honestly, that's something I would do too. Too bad pretty much everyone, including IMDb, considers the film to be horror.

Nothing else you wrote changes my POV. They're not scary to me and they're my least favorite horror. Nothing you post will give me a newfound appreciation for them. You're just shadowboxing at this point.

 

[tallblacknyc]

You started your reply with a paragraph being pedantic about a single line I dropped at the end of a multiple paragraph essay . Honestly, that's something I would do too. Too bad pretty much everyone, including IMDb, considers the film to be horror.

Nothing else you wrote changes my POV. They're not scary to me and they're my least favorite horror. Nothing you post will give me a newfound appreciation for them. You're just shadowboxing at this point.

They threw shit on the wall to see what stuck.. That's literally 4 genres its under in your post.. Action, comedy, horror, and sci fi... I'm surprise they didn't put romantic comedy under that umbrella to since he had a love interest.. How many people you ever heard call toxic avenger a sci-fi film? Yet its up there in your post.. Action/comedy is more like it.. Action dark comedy is what its known for.. Toxic avenger was a superhero.. Man gets toxic waste on him and gets revenge.. It was violent , it was dark.. Kinda like watchmen.. Violent and dark.. Never heard anybody classify toxic avenger as a horror film

Sci fi movie meaning: A film genre that uses speculative science To tell a story , often exploring Themes related to advance technology, space and time travel, Or extraterrestrial life. These movies Use hypothetical scenarios to examine social, Political, and philosophical issues, and often feature futuristic settings and special effects.

Yet somehow imdb put toxic avenger under this same category lmaooo

 

[Piff Henderson]

They threw shit on the wall to see what stuck.. That's literally 4 genres its under in your post.. Action, comedy, horror, and sci fi... I'm surprise they didn't put romantic comedy under that umbrella to since he had a love interest.. How many people you ever heard call toxic avenger a sci-fi film? Yet its up there in your post.. Action/comedy is more like it.. Action dark comedy is what its known for.. Toxic avenger was a superhero.. Man gets toxic waste on him and gets revenge.. It was violent , it was dark.. Kinda like watchmen.. Violent and dark.. Never heard anybody classify toxic avenger as a horror film

TBH, I don't have discussions about film genres too often. To answer your question though, I never heard anyone call TTA a sci-fi. That said, I have heard it referred to as a both a comedy horror and dark comedy. Furthermore, I never heard it called a superhero film like you did in your last reply though I can see how that fits.

Anyway, I resorted to IMDb because you made it seem like me calling it a horror was out of left field like saying Aliens was a comedy or something.

 

[tallblacknyc]

TBH, I don't have discussions about film genres too often. To answer your question though, I never heard anyone call TTA a sci-fi. That said, I have heard it referred to as a both a comedy horror and dark comedy. Furthermore, I never heard it called a superhero film like you did in your last reply though I can see how that fits.

Anyway, I resorted to IMDb because you made it seem like me calling it a horror was out of left field like saying Aliens was a comedy or something.

Dark comedy and superhero flick.. People in the comic book world / superhero world have always acknowledged this a bmovie superhero flick.. I even posted what sci-fi film means and it definitely isn't in that category.. Like I said the first 2 things they had right action comedy.. Its always been a dark comedy.. They had a cartoon for it, even had action figures.. You can even Google toxic avenger superhero and they will say yes just a violent one

 

[Piff Henderson]

Dark comedy and superhero flick.. People in the comic book world / superhero world have always acknowledged this a bmovie superhero flick.. I even posted what sci-fi film means and it definitely isn't in that category.. Like I said the first 2 things they had right action comedy.. Its always been a dark comedy.. They had a cartoon for it, even had action figures.. You can even Google toxic avenger superhero and they will say yes just a violent one

They have cartoons of plenty of things. There was a cartoon of Tales From The Crypt which is horror. And I'm not denying it's a superhero film (a subgenre of action) just that I never heard of it referred to as such. And, yes, it's a dark comedy but that doesn't mean it's not a horror. Even Little Shop of Horrors is considered to be horror.

 

[tallblacknyc]

They have cartoons of plenty of things. There was a cartoon of Tales From The Crypt which is horror. And I'm not denying it's a superhero film (a subgenre of action) just that I never heard of it referred to as such. And, yes, it's a dark comedy but that doesn't mean it's not a horror. Even Little Shop of Horrors is considered to be horror.

The original little shop of horrors was a horror film.. There was no comedy element in it whatsoever.. In fact Seymour dies in the original film.. They remade it in the 80s as a musical , comedy and more upbeat with a positive ending.. But the origin was a horror flick..

Go look up the toxic avenger cartoon it was on after school and it was a hero action show

 

[Piff Henderson]

The original little shop of horrors was a horror film.. There was no comedy element in it whatsoever.. In fact Seymour dies in the original film.. They remade it in the 80s as a musical , comedy and more upbeat with a positive ending.. But the origin was a horror flick..

Go look up the toxic avenger cartoon it was on after school and it was a hero action show

Yeah, but I was referring to the musical. It's considered horror too. And I know about the Toxic Avenger cartoon. This doesn't change the fact the film is a horror.

The aforementioned Tales from the Crypt cartoon was a Saturday morning viewing. It was for kids. It wasn't a mature cartoon like, say, Spawn: The Animated Series.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Yeah, but I was referring to the musical. It's considered horror too. And I know about the Toxic Avenger cartoon. This doesn't change the fact the film is a horror.

The aforementioned Tales from the Crypt cartoon was a Saturday morning viewing. It was for kids. It wasn't a mature cartoon like, say, Spawn: The Animated Series.

It was based of a horror movie, their was a 4 million dollar ending they made that they never used which show Seymour die and they taking over the planet.. A space alien that consumes blood and eats people, Seymour chopping up body psrts, domestic violence relationship, dark tones.. Yeah its a sci fi horror.. In fact there's multiple version of the play.. Musical.. If you know about the inner talking about oil shop of horrors they say its a double meaning.. Audrey suppose to be the devil, Seymour was a poor soul that fell to the devils temptation.. Audrey promised Seymour fame, money, and women.. All sins. Seymour made "blood sacrifices" first with his own blood, than eventually other people, he did it all for fame, money, and women.. In the end his world came crashing down and lost his soul than died.. If you read about the mythology around lil shop of horrors its very dark , they made it a musical to hide the extreme dark themes

The 4 million dollar ending

 

[Piff Henderson]

It was based of a horror movie, their was a 4 million dollar ending they made that they never used which show Seymour die and they taking over the planet.. A space alien that consumes blood and eats people, Seymour chopping up body psrts, domestic violence relationship, dark tones.. Yeah its a sci fi horror.. In fact there's multiple version of the play.. Musical.. If you know about the inner talking about oil shop of horrors they say its a double meaning.. Audrey suppose to be the devil, Seymour was a poor soul that fell to the devils temptation.. Audrey promised Seymour fame, money, and women.. All sins. Seymour made "blood sacrifices" first with his own blood, than eventually other people, he did it all for fame, money, and women.. In the end his world came crashing down and lost his soul than died.. If you read about the mythology around lil shop of horrors its very dark , they made it a musical to hide the extreme dark themes

The 4 million dollar ending

It's sci-fi in the same sense that The Toxic Avenger is -- very soft. So, if Little Shop of Horrors is sci-fi, why can't TTA be one? That is assuming you don't consider TTA to be one.

I'm curious about your reasoning here.

Also, the musical doesn't hide the dark themes, only the film adaption does.

The stage musical, which started as an off-Broadway show before going to Broadway and the West End, ends very similar to the director's cut with the exception being that the faces of Seymour, Audrey, Mushnik, and Orin appear in the plant to warn people not to feed it.

 

[tallblacknyc]

It's sci-fi in the same sense that The Toxic Avenger is -- very soft. So, if Little Shop of Horrors is sci-fi, why can't TTA be one? That is assuming you don't consider TTA to be one.

I'm curious about your reasoning here.

Audrey was an alien.. They literally specify that all through the movie.. I posted what sci-fi is.. The fact she's an extraterrestrial and her whole objective was to take over the planet.. Literally an alien invasion

 

[tallblacknyc]

It's sci-fi in the same sense that The Toxic Avenger is -- very soft. So, if Little Shop of Horrors is sci-fi, why can't TTA be one? That is assuming you don't consider TTA to be one.

I'm curious about your reasoning here.

Also, the musical doesn't hide the dark themes, only the film adaption does.

The stage musical, which started as an off-Broadway show before going to Broadway and the West End, ends very similar to the director's cut with the exception being that the faces of Seymour, Audrey, Mushnik, and Orin appear in the plant to warn people not to feed it.

I know the musical dosent.. Thats why I said the Broadway's show why its a horror film.. I mention they show him die in the of film and Broadway.. Remember you question why its a horror.. Literally everything but the 80s film show why its a horror film.. The 80s version more likely wanted to get more money by expanding their customer base and made it fake family friendly by making it a musical and having comedic moments hide the darker killings in the movie.. People literally getting eaten, bodies getting chopped up, attempted murder, whole alien invasion, they did that to get that certain rating to get families to come see that..reasons why that musical is different from anything else and is more acceptable to the male community.. As I always called it the man musical

 

[Piff Henderson]

I know the musical dosent.. Thats why I said the Broadway's show why its a horror film.. I mention they show him die in the of film and Broadway.. Remember you question why its a horror.. Literally everything but the 80s film show why its a horror film.. The 80s version more likely wanted to get more money by expanding their customer base and made it fake family friendly by making it a musical and having comedic moments hide the darker killings in the movie.. People literally getting eaten, bodies getting chopped up, attempted murder, whole alien invasion, they did that to get that certain rating to get families to come see that..reasons why that musical is different from anything else and is more acceptable to the male community.. As I always called it the man musical

The Broadway shows are musicals. The only non-musical is the original from the '60s. And I didn't question why it's a horror. I just used it as an example of a comedy that counts as a horror. I was likening it to TTA as they're both comedies and horrors.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Audrey was an alien.. They literally specify that all through the movie.. I posted what sci-fi is.. The fact she's an extraterrestrial and her whole objective was to take over the planet.. Literally an alien invasion

I read your post. You seem to be conflating sci-fi with speculative fiction. Yes, they often overlap but they're not exactly the same.

Toxie's origin story uses sci-fi, albeit soft sci-fi, to explain his explain powers. It's very similar to Spider‐Man which, IIRC, debut in a science fiction comic. That's why it counts as science fiction.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I read your post. You seem to be conflating sci-fi with speculative fiction. Yes, they often overlap but they're not exactly the same.

Toxie's origin story uses sci-fi, albeit soft sci-fi, to explain his explain powers. It's very similar to Spider‐Man which, IIRC, debut in a science fiction comic. That's why it counts as science fiction.

Spider man has various villains that's scientist, venom is an extraterrestrial, Peter Parker major in science, his spider web is an invention, he has build things, dealt with outer space, dealt with dimensions, etc.. his whole arch deals in science.. so of course it can be classified as sci-fi... Toxic avenger fell in toxic waste.. that is it nothing more.. like I said lil shop of horrors and Spider-Man are wayyyyy more sci fi related than toxic avenger

 

[Piff Henderson]

Spider man has various villains that's scientist, venom is an extraterrestrial, Peter Parker major in science, his spider web is an invention, he has build things, dealt with outer space, dealt with dimensions, etc.. his whole arch deals in science.. so of course it can be classified as sci-fi... Toxic avenger fell in toxic waste.. that is it nothing more.. like I said lil shop of horrors and Spider-Man are wayyyyy more sci fi related than toxic avenger

None of that is relevant as to why Spider-Man's origin is sci-fi. He was bitten by an irradiated spider and gained powers. That's why it's science fiction. Toxie falling into toxic waste and mutating is why it's science fiction. It's pretty simple really.

 

[tallblacknyc]

None of that is relevant as to why Spider-Man's origin is sci-fi. He was bitten by an irradiated spider and gained powers. That's why it's science fiction. Toxie falling into toxic waste and mutating is why it's science fiction. It's pretty simple really.

Lol so you avoided all the obvious sci-fi themes and said it's irrelevant lmaooo.. that's like avoiding all the murders with weapons in a Friday the 13 film and wondering why it's called a slasher film... Dude said a kid whose in college for science, working in a science lab, getting bitten by an experimental spider and GAining its biological power . Biology which is science, creating webs, fighting other scientist with technological weapons like doc ock with mechanical arms is irrelevant on why it's sci fi.. yet acts like toxic avenger is similar to be in the same genre

 

[Piff Henderson]

Lol so you avoided all the obvious sci-fi themes and said it's irrelevant lmaooo.. that's like avoiding all the murders with weapons in a Friday the 13 film and wondering why it's called a slasher film... Dude said a kid whose in college for science, working in a science lab, getting bitten by an experimental spider and GAining its biological power . Biology which is science, creating webs, fighting other scientist with technological weapons like doc ock with mechanical arms is irrelevant on why it's sci fi.. yet acts like toxic avenger is similar to be in the same genre

*sigh* I was referring to his origin story. None of those things have anything to do with his origin story. He didn't have supervillains in his origin nor did he have web-shooters. All of that came after he took on the role of Spider-Man because Uncle Ben was murdered.

The only science fiction in his origin is the irradiated spider. That's it. It was a science fiction story from that moment on.

Hell, I didnt even need to use Spider-Man. Daredevil is also science fiction since his powers are the result of chemical exposure. And, unlike Spider-Man, most of his villains are organized crime figures and assassins and he's a lawyer and not a scientist.

Good Lord.

 

[playahaitian]

Nonsense. Horror flicks scare plenty of adults. In fact, some adults, like my uncle, still can't watch them in their 50s.

Anyway, I wasn't judging by my current age but by my adolescence. I was around 12-13 when I really got into horror and, of course, I started* with the slasher films because those were the most talked about. They weren't scary to me when I was an adolescent. Meanwhile, a good supernatural horror were always able to creep me out which is what I liked.

Yeah, I know a killer can happen in real life but, of course, plenty of people will argue up and down that hauntings can happen in real life too. What can't happen in real life is that a serial killer can survive gun fire unscathed and continue to kill. That said, the plausability of the situation doesn't mean it's scary to watch. Man-eating sharks, tornadoes, and tsunamis are deadly and can happen in real life, that doesn't make watching movies about them scary.

As for no flick in the 2000s being horror, that's definitely a hot take. I know for a fact plenty of horror afficionados would disagree. Personally, I won't touch on it because it's irrelevant to my point. Which is, simply, slashers from any era aren't scary. You're not going to convince me otherwise. I don't care how many people found them scary decades ago or even today. They're not scary to me and they're my least favorite horror.

*Actually the horrors are started with were more comedic horrors like Toxic Avenger and Leprechaun series at around 10-11 years old.

not to step in and don't want to get into this debate... but Toxic Avenger and Leprechaun and dead ringers and a ghost story, freaky, final destination, the thing are all horror - just different kinds. There are sub genres of damn near everything.

I mean im sure you could make an argument Alien is a horror movie

 

[Piff Henderson]

not to step in and don't want to get into this debate... but Toxic Avenger and Leprechaun and dead ringers and a ghost story, freaky, final destination, the thing are all horror - just different kinds. There are sub genres of damn near everything.

I mean im sure you could make an argument Alien is a horror movie

Please step in. lol.

This "debate," if you can even call it that has no focus. I was discussing my disinterest in slasher films, which isn't debatable since it's an issue of personal taste, and somehow it turned into debating whether Toxic Avenger is horror or not -- and it is horror as you said -- and now we're "debating" what, exactly, makes Spider-Man science fiction even though we both agree it's sci-fi.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Like I said 70s/80s were true horror genre.. Freddy and Jason terrified many kids.. jaws had people rethinking going onto the beach, exorcist had people terrified, poltergeist scared people.. looking at horror flicks in your 30/40s shouldn't scare you.. I remember those 70/80s flicks scared the shit out of people..

When I first read this portion, I was so focused on making another point that I overlooked the implication of what you're saying here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be implying that the horror films backed then scared the hell out of kids/adolescents but not adults. If so, that's demonstrably untrue.

The Exorcist, for example, was notorious for how it affected adults. Grown ass men and women were terrified, fainting and throwing up at the showing. And, Jaws had both kids and adults afraid to get in the water.

If the goal of horror is just to scare kids, I'd argue horror is nearly as good at doing that now as it was then. The reason I say "nearly" is because it's a lot harder to scare ppl, both young and old, these days thanks to the desentization largely caused by the Internet. But that has less to do with the quality of recent horror and more to do with the changing of the media and culture over time.

 

[tallblacknyc]

not to step in and don't want to get into this debate... but Toxic Avenger and Leprechaun and dead ringers and a ghost story, freaky, final destination, the thing are all horror - just different kinds. There are sub genres of damn near everything.

I mean im sure you could make an argument Alien is a horror movie

Leprechaun was in the horror genre , was presented as a horror , the first alien was presented as a horror "in space no one can hear you scream".. let's stop pulling obvious horror films in with the outsider toxic avenger.. I'm actually chilling with some people and ask them have they ever looked at toxic avenger as a horror and all of them looked at me like I was crazy and said get the fuck outta here.. they all said they never looked at it that way or remotely heard it being called a horror.. it was always known as a low b rated superhero flick nothing more

 

[tallblacknyc]

When I first read this portion, I was so focused on making another point that I overlooked the implication of what you're saying here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be implying that the horror films backed then scared the hell out of kids/adolescents but not adults. If so, that's demonstrably untrue.

The Exorcist, for example, was notorious for how it affected adults. Grown ass men and women were terrified, fainting and throwing up at the showing. And, Jaws had both kids and adults afraid to get in the water.

If the goal of horror is just to scare kids, I'd argue horror is nearly as good at doing that now as it was then. The reason I say "nearly" is because it's a lot harder to scare ppl, both young and old, these days thanks to the desentization largely caused by the Internet. But that has less to do with the quality of recent horror and more to do with the changing of the media and culture over time.

Nope never heard me say horror wasn't terrifying to adults.. in fact I clearly said horror flicks in the 70/80s were scarier and even referenced exorcist and jaws .. you literally said the same movies I already stated

 

[Piff Henderson]

Nope never heard me say horror wasn't terrifying to adults.. in fact I clearly said horror flicks in the 70/80s were scarier and even referenced exorcist and jaws .. you literally said the same movies I already stated

looking at horror flicks in your 30/40s shouldn't scare you..

Um.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I don't look at any flick in the 2000s as horror films . Like I said 70s/80s were true horror genre.. Freddy and Jason terrified many kids.. jaws had people rethinking going onto the beach, exorcist had people terrified, poltergeist scared people.. looking at horror flicks in your 30/40s shouldn't scare you.. that's why you shouldn't judge a flick from your modern age and think if you were in single digits or preteens.. I remember those 70/80s flicks scared the shit out of people.. like I said the beginning of the original when a stranger calls was great cause that could actually happen in real life and the twist was the dude was actually inside her crib and unfortunately kids got killed in that flick

But like I said the meaning of a slasher film is a killer or killers going after people, terrorizing people and killing them with different weapons.. that's literally the definition of a slasher film/genre

Bump

 

[tallblacknyc]

I don't look at any flick in the 2000s as horror films . Like I said 70s/80s were true horror genre.. Freddy and Jason terrified many kids.. jaws had people rethinking going onto the beach, exorcist had people terrified, poltergeist scared people.. looking at horror flicks in your 30/40s shouldn't scare you.. that's why you shouldn't judge a flick from your modern age and think if you were in single digits or preteens.. I remember those 70/80s flicks scared the shit out of people.. like I said the beginning of the original when a stranger calls was great cause that could actually happen in real life and the twist was the dude was actually inside her crib and unfortunately kids got killed in that flick

But like I said the meaning of a slasher film is a killer or killers going after people, terrorizing people and killing them with different weapons.. that's literally the definition of a slasher film/genre

Bump.. I was talking about slasher films shouldn't scare you in 30s/40s.. but clearly said exorcist scared people..notice didn't say adolescents.. both those horror genres are different.. same with jaws.. clearly said people.. cause I know they did with adults

 

[Piff Henderson]

Leprechaun was in the horror genre , was presented as a horror , the first alien was presented as a horror "in space no one can hear you scream".. let's stop pulling obvious horror films in with the outsider toxic avenger.. I'm actually chilling with some people and ask them have they ever looked at toxic avenger as a horror and all of them looked at me like I was crazy and said get the fuck outta here.. they all said they never looked at it that way or remotely heard it being called a horror.. it was always known as a low b rated superhero flick nothing more

I'm being petty here I admit, but since this was brought about over a throw-away line I wrote at the end of a pretty long post about an entirely different subject, I think I can be forgiven.

I won't say anymore on this subject after this post but I already showed you that IMDb lists it as horror, Rotten Tomatos does too and, most importantly, my brother Playahaitian also put it in the horror genre. So I feel vindicated.

Furthermore, the best ppl to ask what genre they believe TTA is, would be young ppl/teens. As I said, I watched this as a young person when I was less savvy about genre categories. From my perspective, it was a comedy horror. I really don't think that's an out-of-left-field take on the franchise for anyone who isn't trying to be pedantic about film genre categories.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I'm being petty here I admit, but since this was brought about over a throw-away line I wrote at the end of a pretty long post about an entirely different subject, I think I can be forgiven.

I won't say anymore on this subject after this post but I already showed you that IMDb lists it as horror, Rotten Tomatos does too and, most importantly, my brother Playahaitian also put it in the horror genre. So I feel vindicated.

Furthermore, the best ppl to ask what genre they believe TTA is, would be young ppl/teens. As I said, I watched this as a young person when I was less savvy about genre categories. From my perspective, it was a comedy horror. I really don't think that's an out-of-left-field take on the franchise for anyone who isn't trying to be pedantic about film genre categories.

I literally saw toxic avenger when it came out 84/85, I was a kid and nothing about it seemed like horror . I was probably 4 or 5 yrs old.. it was an over the top violent hero movie .. I look at toxic avenger like swamp thing. As far as playa he would said horror is not necessarily his genre.. so he might say he not the best to talk about horror genre.. it's funny how you keep avoiding Google saying toxic avenger is a superhero and a superhero flick . It's funny how you tried to compare it to Spider-Man when trying to call it sci fi but completely avoided him mutating into a powerful being that kills evil doers.. something that some heros do.. rorshawk was a vicious killer in watchmen

 

[Piff Henderson]

it's funny how you keep avoiding Google saying toxic avenger is a superhero and a superhero flick.

I try to not be petty but you keep pulling me back in.

I literally saw toxic avenger when it came out 84/85, I was a kid and nothing about it seemed like horror . I was probably 4 or 5 yrs old.. it was an over the top violent hero movie .. I look at toxic avenger like swamp thing. As far as playa he would said horror is not necessarily his genre.. so he might say he not the best to talk about horror genre.. it's funny how you keep avoiding Google saying toxic avenger is a superhero and a superhero flick . It's funny how you tried to compare it to Spider-Man when trying to call it sci fi but completely avoided him mutating into a powerful being that kills evil doers.. something that some heros do.. rorshawk was a vicious killer in watchmen

So, you're saying your impression of the film as a kid was different than mine. Wow. So, I guess, that means most kids would naturally agree with you if they saw the film? OK, I guess.

Swamp Thing (1982) is also consider horror so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

And not that it matters now since you took this discussion far past what it was supposed to be about, but I considered any film that showed monstrosities committing violence as a horror film when I was a kid. This is why I consider The Garbage Pail Kids movie to also be horror. This was, somehow, ignored by you, but I was giving my impression of these films from my childhood perspective not making an argument about what genre these films belonged in.

Finally, I'm not sure what you're talking about when you said I ignored Toxie mutating into a powerful being. I literally brought that up and that was the reason I compared him to Spider-Man to begin with. Both of their powers were based on sci-fi accidents. BTW, Spider-Man also mutates into a man-spider in the comic which makes them even more similar.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I look at toxic avenger like swamp thing.

This is a bad analogy for the point you're trying to make. Swamp Thing is the quintessential horror comic antihero. He premiered in a horror comic anthology (House of Secrets), his own comic is considered horror, and the 1982 film is also considered horror.

Being a comic superhero doesn't mean a character can't be horror. Blade is another example. The films are considered action horror and he premiered in Tomb of Dracula which is a horror comic.

 

[playahaitian]

Please step in. lol.

This "debate," if you can even call it that has no focus. I was discussing my disinterest in slasher films, which isn't debatable since it's an issue of personal taste, and somehow it turned into debating whether Toxic Avenger is horror or not -- and it is horror as you said -- and now we're "debating" what, exactly, makes Spider-Man science fiction even though we both agree it's sci-fi.

Oh hell no! You both my mans but on this one?

Imma just enjoy the show.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I try to not be petty but you keep pulling me back in.

So, you're saying your impression of the film as a kid was different than mine. Wow. So, I guess, that means most kids would naturally agree with you if they saw the film? OK, I guess.

Swamp Thing (1982) is also consider horror so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

And not that it matters now since you took this discussion far past what it was supposed to be about, but I considered any film that showed monstrosities committing violence as a horror film when I was a kid. This is why I consider The Garbage Pail Kids movie to also be horror. This was, somehow, ignored by you, but I was giving my impression of these films from my childhood perspective not making an argument about what genre these films belonged in.

Finally, I'm not sure what you're talking about when you said I ignored Toxie mutating into a powerful being. I literally brought that up and that was the reason I compared him to Spider-Man to begin with. Both of their powers were based on sci-fi accidents. BTW, Spider-Man also mutates into a man-spider in the comic which makes them even more similar.

You considered garbage pale kids a horror smh .. I said you ignored toxic avenger being called a superhero film like Spider-Man.. I notice you didn't put toxic avenger superhero like I said.. once you do it will go into details about it being a superhero flick and is he considered a superhero.. but convo gonna end once you put garbage pail kids under the horror genre

Remember you tried to put final destination as a slasher film.. smh you been confusing genres all day

 

[tallblacknyc]

Evil Dead is one of those films that could qualify as a slasher, a possession horror, a zombie/undead horror, and a haunting horror film. It's probably why I like that series over everything else you mentioned.

See I can do this to point out you saying something wrong and putting things in the wrong category.. evil dead is not a slasher film

 

[Piff Henderson]

You considered garbage pale kids a horror smh .. I said you ignored toxic avenger being called a superhero film like Spider-Man.. I notice you didn't put toxic avenger superhero like I said.. once you do it will go into details about it being a superhero flick and is he considered a superhero.. but convo gonna end once you put garbage pail kids under the horror genre

Remember you tried to put final destination as a slasher film.. smh you been confusing genres all day

My guy, you ignore all kinds of details to prove a point. I clearly said I considered the Garbage Pail Kids to be horror when I was kid and gave you a clear explanation why. Why are you being obtuse when I'm being clear about what I mean?

And I never ignored TTA being a superhero flick. I'm not sure why you continue to lie about that. You said Google called it a superhero flick and it clearly didn't. I proved that with visual evidence. Considering I never denied TTA was a superhero movie, there's no reason for me to ignore that point.

Finally, I said, verbatim, "I don't know if Final Destination is considered slasher." So, no, I didn't declare Final Destination to be a slasher. That sentence clearly shows I wasn't sure if it was or wasn't. You lie and gaslight like a politician.

 

[Piff Henderson]

See I can do this to point out you saying something wrong and putting things in the wrong category.. evil dead is not a slasher film

I'm a Jason Voorhees fan, Krueger fan, first 2 saw fans, first scream fan, other old school kills like evil dead 2

My guy, you're the one who listed it alongside films you consider to be slasher films.