Jay-Z's connection to truffles includes
a lavish 2012 trip to Italy where he spent over €15,000 on white truffles
Jay Z said he won’t do a Versus because nobody comes close skill wise and hit wise. Uhh LL Cool J got more hits . LL vs Jay Z who you got?
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a lavish 2012 trip to Italy where he spent over €15,000 on white truffles
Yeah I’m the one who thinks Busta overrated. I don’t know if Busta stage presence in 2025 is what it was. I guess with the right record. Last time I seen him and Spliff they was kind of stiff.
Busta is just angry now and gives a bad performance. He’s an asshole and always has been but now it’s bleeding over to his shows. Him and Spliff must be on the verge of a divorce
Blueprint kills all this though.
Busta was a great artist but in a Verzus? He cant see Jay. I know it’s taboo to say now but he’s truly the greatest rap artist if all time. Not rapper but rap artist? He is.
I think people thinking of 25 years ago Busta. Last few Busta performances I seen was ass I thought it was just the ozempic.
Nah... Jay Z has classics, no doubt.
But, Busta would embarass him in a live venue. Busta's verses have way more energy, bigger club bangers.
Nas blew past him with the Hit Boy albums, latest features, and Premier album coming.
Drake total catalog is better.
Ghostface has more quality verses than him, and more active. I will take Ghostface top 5 albums over Jay Z top 5 albums. From lyrics to beats.
Main article: Nas discography
Studio albums
- Illmatic (1994)
- It Was Written (1996)
- I Am... (1999)
- Nastradamus (1999)
- Stillmatic (2001)
- God's Son (2002)
- Street's Disciple (2004)
- Hip Hop Is Dead (2006)
- Untitled (2008)
- Life Is Good (2012)
- Nasir (2018)
- King's Disease (2020)
- King's Disease II (2021)
- Magic (2021)
- King's Disease III (2022)
- Magic 2 (2023)
- Magic 3 (2023)
Collaborative albums
- The Album (with The Firm) (1997)
- Distant Relatives (with Damian Marley) (2010)
- Untitled album (with DJ Premier) (2025)
To me, TI starts to fall off around No Marcy. In general, Jay-Z is more consistent than most rappers even factoring in his weaker albums.
I agree TI wouldn't be a bad match up. Its been a minute but I feel like there was a period where you could listen to a TI album all the way through. Kanye would probably be a better match up musically, but he definitely smokes Jay performance wise which is what really matters in a vs.
Taking a step back, i remember 50 tried to shit on TI about vs. I could see TI beating 50. Of the superstar rappers, I think 50 has the weakest catalog with his best being Get Rich or Die Trying. We only really still talk about 50 because of the Power universe.
People usually mention Wayne, but the discussion turns into mixtape Wayne. To me, it may not hit the same if the audience isn't familiar with the songs. He'd still be strong from a feature standpoint, but Jay's features hit a little different especially during his fake retirement days. This leaves Wayne's best days album wise Tha Carter 1- 3. 2 being the better on the series for me if not his best album period. Nikki and Drake keep him alive during the Young Money height. People try to rewrite history and maybe depends on where you are from, but Wayne was considered the weakest Hotboy during that era/run. Actually, as im typing this, Wayne probably could get it done without mixtape cuts.
You dudes keep moving the goal post so you can feel like you're right.
Nas Busta and LL outside of their popular hits don't no one want to hear that shit in between,(I'm moving the goal post) it's not about their fans ears,it's about what the majority know them for and from.
I'm not a busta fan but I don't know not one rap lyric from busta,maybe a hook or two....."Yeeeeaaaaah Yeeeeaaaah","Pass the courvoisier"
It's going to be too hard to beat this(i'm not a jayz stan but we have to keep it real)
That’s cap. Song Cry and You Don’t Know don’t hold up?
Man something happen over the years I don’t know if it comes with success or what but it’s like people underrate Jay. I’m from the south and can’t nobody fuck with him anywhere. Especially commercially. Now that I think about it OutKast probably could.
Definitely classics... Busta just has a better top 30 verses, and could perform them better.
Im going to preference this with if don't really listen to music anymore and even then I've always been more so a casual listener.
I feel like Nas of late gets lifted up because he is Nas. The reason i say this is because I never hear people mention the songs they like or them even being played in public ( people's car , headphones in the office). It comes off like the right people said his recent albums are great, so the masses in turn share the same opinion even though it really isn't in their regular rotation. Or they are judging them from the perspective of others around Nas's age/class/era and saying he's better than others who have dropped weak projects.
I could also be bias too as I've always been more of a Jay fan than Nas lol.
For me, Nas is a much better lyricist than Jay Z, he has a deeper and more quality music catalog than Jay Z.
But, I think Jay Z's peak run in the late 90's and early 2000's was better than any of Nas' runs. Jay Z has bigger hits, his catalog is more top heavy.
Nas has been way more active than Jay Z the last 20 years also.
Oooooh Oooh now he would perform better than Jay-z,you win.
I wouldn't pay 50 or no money to see a 50+year old rapper jump around on stage at the age I am now.
Went to a busta show,started dancing and fucked around,found out and ended up in the ER
Top 5 hip hop catalog in hip hop history.
Along with Busta, Ghostface, LL, Drake, and Jay Z
I've always been impressed by the output and consistency. Over 30 years! And he set the bar so damn high for himself right from his debut.
Sometimes, he will put you to sleep, but overall, he has been consistent as you can get the last 30 years.
Only Ghostface has been more active. That is because he is on every Wu project, his own solo joints, and many collab/experimental albums, and features.
For me, Jay made better overall music. Not so much speaking on content or lyrical ability, but the total final product including beats being selected.
I also appreciate artist like Jay and Jezzy who can pull you into their world and make you feel like a character in their story in that makes sense. For 2 to 3 minutes, Jezzy would make me want to go out and sell drugs or rather really see their perspective from that lens. Someone like X would make you consider taking religion more seriously because of his passion and displayed spirituality. Ll and Drake make you want to be a ladies man or relate to dating women and drunk texting them.
Not disrespect to anyone. I felt like people liked Nas because they believed him to be intelligent. Not saying he isn't but most of those people simply never picked up a book for themselves, so they are impressed by Nas's content.
For me, I prefer balance but end of the day i want to be entertained. When I want to learn, ill go find that information for myself. To be fair, im sure Nas introduce something to people who went on to educate themselves more on a subject. Unfortunately, and just to clarify im not saying this about Nas but people love pseudo intelligent people. I like JCole and this was before the recent hype. However, there are times I feel like he makes struggle rap and I don't necessarily want to listen to that all the times because it can be a little (maybe not the right word) depressing. Again, when im not in a classroom ( at the time) or work, I want to have fun and relax. Early day Kanye did a decent job at balancing this and it was music non street people could relate to.
Nas has the ability to bring you into a story more than any of those artist you named.
His music just isn't mainstream
Jay z made more pop(ular) music with more pop(ular) producers.
If your into story telling rap your gonna lean more towards a Nas and a Ghostface. Jay cant compete in that realm,but again in a more social setting those arent gonna be the type of music to play
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That's your opinion and im sure their are alot who share that experience. Nas never made me feel anything. That's not a slight and im not taking away from his talent.
I kind of disagree that Jay can't compete in terms of storytelling. Reasonable Doubt is storytelling. If you want to say he isn't socially conscious, that is different and while it has sounded forced Jay has made those types of records.
As far as not people able to play storytelling music in public, I don't agree with that. Nas just isn’t able to do it consistently. It goes back to being able to connect with with the audience like a DMX or just making better music which is more than just your lyrics or storytelling. The story changes but the worst excuse I've allegedly heard from Nas is he picks bad beats on purpose. If he did make the statement, im sure there is more context and I have an idea what he may have been trying to communicate. However, it's still a dumb or lazy statement when you consider he is creating music.
You keep going back to intellect and consciousness
You and you alone.
Give me an example of a story telling song that isnt watered down,but is huge.
What are these story telling songs on reasonable doubt? They may have a story in some parts of the song, that is not the same.
Jay is not a story telling emcee
Bro luda won nella vz and nelly sold morerecords than everybody besides em.
50 got more smash than Jay or kanye
How do I keep going back to conscious? Conscious or not. im saying Nas doesn't usually have songs that connect with me. I speaking to more of an emotional level.
I mentioned conscious because I assumed that is what you were speaking too. To me, you cant be saying Jay isn't a storyteller when Reasonable Doubt exists. Hence, why i assumed you were going in more of a conscious direction. If that is not where you are going, just say that. If you speaking to my statements around him and Cole, im simply saying I prefer to be entertained in general. You can have conscious songs that are entertaining.
Kendrick makes huge songs regularly. Some of his records would be storytelling or not far removed like Pray For Me. I would put One Mic and Lose yourself in that category.
How are defining storytelling?
Which would of gave ll more recognition and his flowers by the new generation.. Just off numbers alone having drake there would've had a record of viewers for versus than ll fan base.. It would've been a good look for ll cause to the younger generation they would've thought drake would wash him but than l probably kill him off stage presence.. Great night for the legend
Ok... to you. He's not entertaining to me. Listing songs doesn't change my opinion and im not interested in changing anyone's opinion.
Id pick alot of rappers over Nas. Im not the biggest Kendrick fan but id pick him over Nas. Id pick Ti over Nas. Id probably pick JCole over Nas except they kind of do the samething (or did) in terms of beats. That doesn't mean i haven't enjoyed some of Nas's work. He's just not someone id be in a rush to hear. Im not the first or the last person to have this opinion.
Apparently, Youngboy NBA is very popular. Im not likely to listen to his music. That doesn't mean his music is bad or his fan base is less than. He just isn't for me. It doesn't take way from what he's done. Its the same for Nas.
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