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Perkins is dumb as fuck. Like embarrassingly stupid
A death threat from someone on a computer versus the klan sending you death threats
Whattttt. Consistent throughout his career, showed up during the playoffs for sho Lakers should have chosen him over Ball. Women and men lie..numbers don't. Off topic though... He's only 6'3 thought he was close to 6'5. Okay I'm done glazing
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Their winning percentage has increased since he been there, only one bad season in the 300s percentage. And he has ALL NBA which guarantees a bag
Why you say feel like that?
Only been to the playoffs once, seems like he gets empty stats
Sucks from three
Is he even a top ten point guard?
Now look at that contract
Is that him, because he was the constant
i agree! this is what espn said about the deal:
Much has changed since the Spurs acquired Fox in what might have been the biggest trade of this year's deadline had Luka Doncic not overshadowed everything else. After losing Victor Wembanyama to deep vein thrombosis following just five games with Fox, San Antonio ended up in the lottery and moved up to No. 2, drafting Rutgers point guard Dylan Harper.
Harper's arrival clouds Fox's future with the Spurs. Neither of the two lefties is maximized playing off the ball because of their iffy outside shooting. Fox has shot 35% on catch-and-shoot 3-point attempts over the past five seasons, putting him in the 27th percentile among players with at least 250 attempts in that span according to GeniusIQ. Harper, meanwhile, shot 33% from 3-point range in his lone college season and 1-of-8 in two NBA summer league appearances.
If Harper develops as San Antonio reasonably expects, the Spurs will have a decision to make at point guard within two to three years, making the trade value of Fox's contract an atypically important part of the calculus here.
Extending Fox is probably preferable to trying to trade him now on an expiring contract. San Antonio was willing to give up multiple first-round picks for Fox in large part because he signaled a willingness to extend with the Spurs by making them his favored landing spot. The Sacramento Kings, under no obligation to send Fox where he wanted to go, presumably got weaker offers from teams that viewed him as primarily a short-term option.
Wait too long, however, and San Antonio could see Fox's value decline because of this contract. A 30% max is already rich for Fox, who has only been an All-Star once, when he also made the All-NBA third team in 2022-23 after leading the Kings to the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.
Worse yet, Fox's skill set isn't one that has aged well historically. Quickness has been key to Fox's emergence as one of the NBA's better point guards at 6-foot-3 without elite shooting. Players who scored as most similar based on my SCHOENE projection system from previous generations, led by Monta Ellis and Steve Francis, fell out of the league quickly in their 30s.
Expecting that kind of outcome for Fox is unrealistic given the way that NBA offense has evolved to create more space for guards to operate and the potential he could become a league-average 3-point shooter. Fox did shoot 37% on 3s in 2023-24 at high volume (7.8 attempts per game) before declining to 31% last season -- worse than his career average.
Still, by the end of this contract -- which takes him through age 32 -- Fox is more likely to be an average starting point guard than an elite one. In the NBA's apron era, we've seen similar contract mismatches make players difficult if not impossible to trade.
Unlike other teams who hand out extensions in part due to the impossibility of replacing the talent, the Spurs did have a plausible alternative path thanks to $50-plus million in potential 2026 cap space. At the same time, it's arguable that Fox would have been the best prime free agent available, and San Antonio wouldn't have the option of rolling over the cap space to 2027 because Wembanyama will be on a max extension by then.
As a result, this was probably an extension worth doing for the Spurs, even if Fox is more likely their point guard for right now rather than the long term. The other thing that has changed for San Antonio since February is that future Hall of Fame point guard Chris Paul, who started alongside Fox, has decamped for a return to the LA Clippers.
Fox will go into training camp with the ball in his hands and time to develop chemistry with Wembanyama that the Spurs hope gets them back to the playoffs this season. And if that happens, having both Fox and Harper can be a positive dilemma for San Anto
i agree! this is what espn said about the deal:
Grade: Pass (extensions graded on a pass/fail scale)
Much has changed since the Spurs acquired Fox in what might have been the biggest trade of this year's deadline had Luka Doncic not overshadowed everything else. After losing Victor Wembanyama to deep vein thrombosis following just five games with Fox, San Antonio ended up in the lottery and moved up to No. 2, drafting Rutgers point guard Dylan Harper.
Harper's arrival clouds Fox's future with the Spurs. Neither of the two lefties is maximized playing off the ball because of their iffy outside shooting. Fox has shot 35% on catch-and-shoot 3-point attempts over the past five seasons, putting him in the 27th percentile among players with at least 250 attempts in that span according to GeniusIQ. Harper, meanwhile, shot 33% from 3-point range in his lone college season and 1-of-8 in two NBA summer league appearances.
If Harper develops as San Antonio reasonably expects, the Spurs will have a decision to make at point guard within two to three years, making the trade value of Fox's contract an atypically important part of the calculus here.
Extending Fox is probably preferable to trying to trade him now on an expiring contract. San Antonio was willing to give up multiple first-round picks for Fox in large part because he signaled a willingness to extend with the Spurs by making them his favored landing spot. The Sacramento Kings, under no obligation to send Fox where he wanted to go, presumably got weaker offers from teams that viewed him as primarily a short-term option.
Wait too long, however, and San Antonio could see Fox's value decline because of this contract. A 30% max is already rich for Fox, who has only been an All-Star once, when he also made the All-NBA third team in 2022-23 after leading the Kings to the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.
Worse yet, Fox's skill set isn't one that has aged well historically. Quickness has been key to Fox's emergence as one of the NBA's better point guards at 6-foot-3 without elite shooting. Players who scored as most similar based on my SCHOENE projection system from previous generations, led by Monta Ellis and Steve Francis, fell out of the league quickly in their 30s.
Expecting that kind of outcome for Fox is unrealistic given the way that NBA offense has evolved to create more space for guards to operate and the potential he could become a league-average 3-point shooter. Fox did shoot 37% on 3s in 2023-24 at high volume (7.8 attempts per game) before declining to 31% last season -- worse than his career average.
Still, by the end of this contract -- which takes him through age 32 -- Fox is more likely to be an average starting point guard than an elite one. In the NBA's apron era, we've seen similar contract mismatches make players difficult if not impossible to trade.
Unlike other teams who hand out extensions in part due to the impossibility of replacing the talent, the Spurs did have a plausible alternative path thanks to $50-plus million in potential 2026 cap space. At the same time, it's arguable that Fox would have been the best prime free agent available, and San Antonio wouldn't have the option of rolling over the cap space to 2027 because Wembanyama will be on a max extension by then.
As a result, this was probably an extension worth doing for the Spurs, even if Fox is more likely their point guard for right now rather than the long term. The other thing that has changed for San Antonio since February is that future Hall of Fame point guard Chris Paul, who started alongside Fox, has decamped for a return to the LA Clippers.
Fox will go into training camp with the ball in his hands and time to develop chemistry with Wembanyama that the Spurs hope gets them back to the playoffs this season. And if that happens, having both Fox and Harper can be a positive dilemma for San Anto
In the new NBA you have to think about, can you trade that contract. Would other teams be willing to take on that.
He's like a poor mans Shai to me, because he gets a lot of midrange points.
Dudes defense also kind of sucks.
He's just never really impressed me. People see 20+ points and figure he was doing work in Sacramento....with another all star or two most of the time. There's a difference in people like Trae or Jalen and him.
People just looked at it like....he's been healthy versus Lonzo. He hasn't contributed to winning basketball.
No point cause he would been traded to the Pelicans for AD.
Giannis & The Pips.
Regardless. Still should have been over Ball
The Heatles is all Lebron Fault
Wait, did we miss a D Rose Dwayne Wade backcourt too?
Damn you Lebron
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