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Also, people putting Jayden Daniels in top 10 discussions after 1 good season.

How soon people forget that hurts was the runner-up for MVP a few years ago which was the same year the eagles went to the Superbowl..Also, hurts is the only player who has a different offensive coordinator every year. Besides people always wanted to say the eagles are stacked with talent but then they had no faith in them to get back to the Superbowl nor beat the chiefs..
 
jawnswoop said:
Don't expect a cowboys fan that's delusional and jealous because hurts have done something their QB has yet to do the same but they would find ways to always put Dak in top 10 discussions when he isn't.
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I can make an argument for Dak being top 10...he would be 10 but I can make that argument
 
BlackGoku said:
I can make an argument for Dak being top 10...he would be 10 but I can make that argument
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I’d probably say right now….

Josh
Pat
Lamar
Joe
Stafford
Hurts
Dak
Daniels
Goff
Love

In my top 10….

But you could easily take some of those guys out and put Baker, Purdy, Herbert in…..

Wonder what Cam list was….
 
jawnswoop said:
I usually post these predictions for fun, but I'm gonna chill on doing that because we all know that this would never happen. I also don't like the media being on the eagles bandwagon saying they would go to the Superbowl again when they're the same ones who were saying they wouldn't beat KC and mahomes was on his way to 3-peat which was declined by the eagles when they whoop his ass badly.
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Oh yeah, I know. Then come end of the year when we look back a few of these predictions be so fuckin off base its ridiculous.




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jack walsh13 said:
Oh yeah, I know. Then come end of the year when we look back a few of these predictions be so fuckin off base its ridiculous.




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I mean predictions are based on what we’ve seen. You can’t really factor in injuries you can’t foresee or teams not playing to their potential. How do you even predict Commanders making the conference championship last year? You can’t.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Yep. And i like Hurts. He’s in my top 10….but are there 10 guys I’d take over him? For sure.

Cam ain’t say nothing wrong to me.

Now I didn’t see his list if he said guys like Geno is better? Then that’s wild….

But we know the consensus top guys….

Lamar
Pat
Joe
Josh

After that it’s a group of guys all the same caliber so how you rank them is up to you….

Stafford
Goff
Dak
Jalen
Stroud…..all guys of the same caliber.
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Stafford is a perfect example..is Stafford top 10 on the lions? He is argued in the top 10 on the Rams and has gotten older. Would hurts be top 10 on a team like the Browns?
 
dtownsfinest said:
I mean predictions are based on what we’ve seen. You can’t really factor in injuries you can’t foresee or teams not playing to their potential. How do you even predict Commanders making the conference championship last year? You can’t.
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Right. Plus there's always a team that comes out of nowhere to have a surprise season and another we thought would be great have a down year.


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BlackGoku said:
Stafford is a perfect example..is Stafford top 10 on the lions? He is argued in the top 10 on the Rams and has gotten older. Would hurts be top 10 on a team like the Browns?
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That’s the thing….Hurts would be ass on the Browns….Stafford was solid with the Lions but got with McVey and a properly ran team and got better.
 
BlackGoku said:
I would put Baker in over love..but thats me.
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I mean I can see that. Like I said you can interchange about 6-12 guys….Baker to me is ass but he was great last year but do I forget what I saw his first few career? Teams matter that’s why I say these lists are so hard to do because Baker on the Panthers and Browns was ass. Baker on a Buccs team with more talent looks legit.
 
jack walsh13 said:
Right. Plus there's always a team that comes out of nowhere to have a surprise season and another we thought would be great have a down year.


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Yep it’s gonna be 2 or 3 teams that made the playoffs last year and gonna be ass this year….then there is gonna be teams that the experts say suck ass….and they will go on to make playoff teams…


I’ll say this the reason why some teams catch guys off guard is you don’t be expecting some of these guys to do what they do. Look at Philly for instance….Baun goes from a ok player to an All Pro. Luvu turns into a All Pro for Commanders.

Right now it’s open season everyone 0-0.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Yep it’s gonna be 2 or 3 teams that made the playoffs last year and gonna be ass this year….then there is gonna be teams that the experts say suck ass….and they will go on to make playoff teams…


I’ll say this the reason why some teams catch guys off guard is you don’t be expecting some of these guys to do what they do. Look at Philly for instance….Baun goes from a ok player to an All Pro. Luvu turns into a All Pro for Commanders.

Right now it’s open season everyone 0-0.
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Good points




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dtownsfinest said:
Steelers I like what they doing I wish yall just had one more offensive weapon to really get behind yall. But then it may be a Pro Bowler who come out of nowhere we don’t see.
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We have to use guys better this year. Move people around. Washington is a 6'8 270lb giant. Theres absolutely no reason he shouldn't be targeted in the red zone more often. Apparently they have plans to expand his role in the offense as well



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jawnswoop said:
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That's a bullshit argument I always hated. You can say that because he has great players around him that he's not as good as he appears, but that's complete bullshit .

I'll give an example of how it's bullshit look at my 1990-91 Detroit Lions they had a loaded receiver core and the best running back who ever did it in Barry sanders. Went to the championship game and would've made it to the Super Bowl, but the Washington Redskins were Beast that year.

The next year same core players came back, but our idiot stupid ass head coach Wayne fonts opted to go away from our quarterback Kramer, who took us to the championship game and go with Rodney Peete. With the same players returning Pete could not succeed.
 
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jack walsh13 said:
We have to use guys better this year. Move people around. Washington is a 6'8 270lb giant. Theres absolutely no reason he shouldn't be targeted in the red zone more often. Apparently they have plans to expand his role in the offense as well



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Yeah I forgot he even in the league why even draft him and not use him? Yall running two tight end sets this year because Friemuth gotta play…
 
darth frosty said:
That's a bullshit argument I always hated. You can say that because he has great players around him that he's not as good as he appears, but that's complete bullshit .

I'll give an example of how it's bullshit look at my 1990-91 Detroit Lions they had a loaded receiver core and the best running back who ever did it in Barry sanders. Went to the championship game and would've made it to the Super Bowl, but the Washington Redskins were Beast that year.

The next year same core players came back, but our idiot stupid ass head coach Wayne fonts opted to go away from our quarterback Kramer, who took us to the championship game and go with Rodney Peete. With the same players returning Pete could not succeed.
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I mean you just don’t know enough. Like you can either assume he is good with the supporting cast or he would be worse if not for it. So people take whatever side they believe in. And with Cam he gonna be bias because he never played with shit in that MvP SB run. Back then if you were black and could run they’d give you less weapons then they would pocket passers. Vince Young, Vick, Cam….didnt have shit.

It comes with the territory….Mike, Emmitt and Aikman never get looked at as the top anything because of all the talent they played with.
 
darth frosty said:
That's a bullshit argument I always hated. You can say that because he has great players around him that he's not as good as he appears, but that's complete bullshit .

I'll give an example of how it's bullshit look at my 1990-91 Detroit Lions they had a loaded receiver core and the best running back who ever did it in Barry sanders. Went to the championship game and would've made it to the Super Bowl, but the Washington Redskins were Beast that year.

The next year same core players came back, but our idiot stupid ass head coach Wayne fonts opted to go away from our quarterback Kramer, who took us to the championship game and go with Rodney Peete. With the same players returning Pete could not succeed.
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I remembered you saying that before on previous pages because it's correct. I just hate how people and media try to discredit hurts because of what Howie did to make sure hurts would be successful at what he does best surrounding him top talent. Hurts has proven himself to be the top 5 or 10 QB in the league and nobody will change my mind about that regardless of what they say.
 
dtownsfinest said:
I mean you just don’t know enough. Like you can either assume he is good with the supporting cast or he would be worse if not for it. So people take whatever side they believe in. And with Cam he gonna be bias because he never played with shit in that MvP SB run. Back then if you were black and could run they’d give you less weapons then they would pocket passers. Vince Young, Vick, Cam….didnt have shit.

It comes with the territory….Mike, Emmitt and Aikman never get looked at as the top anything because of all the talent they played with.
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We can look at the last time he didn't have a great supporting cast a couple years ago. They didn't win the division and got blown out in the playoffs.

What he played with that year is on par with what some of these other QBs play with every year.

Let me add, that doesn't mean hes not top 10. It just means that all QBs need help.
 
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Big Tex said:
We can look at the last time he didn't have a great supporting cast a couple years ago. They didn't win the division and got blown out in the playoffs.

What he played with that year is on par with what some of these other QBs play with every year.

Let me add, that doesn't mean hes not top 10. It just means that all QBs need help.
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Good point.
 

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