Donald “Tariffs” Trump say Washington needs full control over Greenland, Canada & Panama. Trump sends out letters announcing new Aug 1 tarriffs

Not Just ‘Rare Earths’: U.S. Gets Many Critical Minerals From China​

Beijing’s ban on exporting six valuable minerals highlights America’s reliance on China for many raw materials that Washington has designated “critical.”​

April 16, 2025
Dust rises in clouds from a deep, open-pit mine.

Mining for rare earths in Inner Mongolia, China.China Stringer Network/Reuters
Three years ago, after the pandemic had laid bare the world’s vulnerability to supply-chain disruptions, the U.S. government designated a large swath of the periodic table of elements — 50 minerals in all — as “critical.”

The United States obtains more than half of them, including a category of 17 minerals known as “rare earths,” mostly from China. And this week, China tightened its export restrictions on six rare earths, all but halting U.S. access to new supplies.

Here’s a look at just how dependent the United States is on China for a broad range of these critical minerals, including rare earths.

U.S. relies on China for many critical minerals​

Share of U.S. imports sourced from China:

Rare earths Used for catalytic converters, ceramics, glass
Bismuth Medical and atomic research
Antimony Lead-acid batteries, flame retardants
Arsenic Semiconductors
Graphite Lubricants, batteries, fuel cells
Barite Hydrocarbon production
Tungsten Wear-resistant metals
Germanium Fiber optics, night vision
Tantalum Electronic components
Hafnium Nuclear control rods, alloys
Gallium Integrated circuits, optical devices
Magnesium Alloys, reducing metals
Fluorspar Aluminum, cement, steel, gasoline
Lithium Rechargeable batteries
China not only mines most of the world’s rare earths, it is home to most of the world’s capacity for refining them. Refining refers to the process of taking the raw minerals and turning them into compounds that have broad industrial applications, whether in batteries or semiconductors or fiber optics, or even the magnets that enable power steering in most vehicles.
Many rare earths have chemical properties that make them heat resistant, so they can be used to create high-quality magnets, glass, lights and batteries. Magnets made from rare earths are significantly more powerful and valuable than other types, particularly in electric-car production.

China produces 90 percent of rare earth magnets. The new export restrictions apply to them, too.

In other words, a great deal of modern technology that we rely on for communications, energy production and even warfare depends on China’s extraction and processing of these minerals.
According to the Defense Department, every F-35 fighter contains around 900 pounds of rare earth materials. Some submarines need more than 9,200 pounds of the materials. Demand for critical minerals is expected to skyrocket in the coming years, driven by growth in electric vehicles as well as expansion of data centers for artificial intelligence.
For more than a decade, China has used its control over mineral supplies to exert geopolitical pressure. In 2010, China restricted exports of rare earth minerals to Japan during tensions over a maritime border dispute. That ban lasted seven weeks.

Before this month, China had already restricted U.S. access to four critical minerals — gallium, germanium, antimony and graphite — in retaliation for earlier rounds of U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods. Those minerals are used in chip-making and have applications in semiconductors, military explosives and other weaponry.
In recent years, Chinese state-owned companies have taken over all foreign-owned rare earth refineries in the country. Beijing has also labeled its techniques around rare earth mining and refining as state secrets, further consolidating control over production and export.

Unlike in the United States, dozens of universities in China offer programs structured around rare earth mining and refining. China has developed technologies that allow Chinese companies to extract rare earths at a significantly lower cost than anywhere else in the world.
“The developments we have seen take place in 2025 add further impetus to the desire of the U.S. to diversify its supply chains away from China, but this cannot be done overnight,” Andrew Foran, an economist with TD Bank who analyzes the mineral trade between the United States and China, said in an email.

Some critical minerals, like nickel and lithium, are far more abundant than rare earths, and American mining companies have been engaged for years in extracting them domestically and across the world, though at a fraction of the scale of Chinese companies.

Rare earths, on the other hand, have narrower supply chains and are often more difficult to extract, requiring more cumbersome processes to separate them from other minerals.

The United States has just one operational rare earth mine, in Mountain Pass, Calif., which produces around 15 percent of global rare earths. President Trump issued an executive order last month seeking to support domestic mineral production by speeding up permitting and providing financing for new projects.

But the United States lacks domestic reserves of many critical minerals, so it will need new trading partners if it wishes to ease its reliance on China. Since taking office, Mr. Trump has sought to increase American access to certain critical minerals and rare earths through deals with Ukraine and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and there are deposits in Canada and Greenland, which Mr. Trump has mused about annexing.

Some American companies have been stockpiling rare earths for years in anticipation of a trade war. But the sizes of their emergency stockpiles vary widely, so the timing of production disruptions is hard to predict.
 
I saw this post, I haven’t looked into it yet but it seems reasonable



“Despite Donald Trump pausing tariffs for 90 days, the stock market continues to sink.

Another $1.4 trillion wiped out yesterday.“
Yup.....the USA is destroying itself all in the name of billionaire elites and the zionists......
 
See this is where a huge problem is going to be faced.
How can a company be profitable making goods in the United States.
In other countries, workers live off of pennies a day.
A US worker's breakfast alone at Starbucks is what someone in India makes in 2 weeks!
What, are we really going to make iPhones in America? Paying Americans $20/hr?
The phone would retail for $5,000!!!!

Then let's talk about the air pollution of these new factories.
Parents will not want factories in their cities. Kids will get asthma. Older people will have respiratory issues.
Then, what cities would these factories be in? The United States isn't that big.
Trump is killing the environmental regs, so it should be easier to bring high pollution factories to poor areas throughout the United States.
 

Not Just ‘Rare Earths’: U.S. Gets Many Critical Minerals From China​

Beijing’s ban on exporting six valuable minerals highlights America’s reliance on China for many raw materials that Washington has designated “critical.”​

April 16, 2025
Dust rises in clouds from a deep, open-pit mine.

Mining for rare earths in Inner Mongolia, China.China Stringer Network/Reuters
Three years ago, after the pandemic had laid bare the world’s vulnerability to supply-chain disruptions, the U.S. government designated a large swath of the periodic table of elements — 50 minerals in all — as “critical.”

The United States obtains more than half of them, including a category of 17 minerals known as “rare earths,” mostly from China. And this week, China tightened its export restrictions on six rare earths, all but halting U.S. access to new supplies.

Here’s a look at just how dependent the United States is on China for a broad range of these critical minerals, including rare earths.

U.S. relies on China for many critical minerals​

Share of U.S. imports sourced from China:

Rare earths Used for catalytic converters, ceramics, glass
Bismuth Medical and atomic research
Antimony Lead-acid batteries, flame retardants
Arsenic Semiconductors
Graphite Lubricants, batteries, fuel cells
Barite Hydrocarbon production
Tungsten Wear-resistant metals
Germanium Fiber optics, night vision
Tantalum Electronic components
Hafnium Nuclear control rods, alloys
Gallium Integrated circuits, optical devices
Magnesium Alloys, reducing metals
Fluorspar Aluminum, cement, steel, gasoline
Lithium Rechargeable batteries
China not only mines most of the world’s rare earths, it is home to most of the world’s capacity for refining them. Refining refers to the process of taking the raw minerals and turning them into compounds that have broad industrial applications, whether in batteries or semiconductors or fiber optics, or even the magnets that enable power steering in most vehicles.
Many rare earths have chemical properties that make them heat resistant, so they can be used to create high-quality magnets, glass, lights and batteries. Magnets made from rare earths are significantly more powerful and valuable than other types, particularly in electric-car production.

China produces 90 percent of rare earth magnets. The new export restrictions apply to them, too.

In other words, a great deal of modern technology that we rely on for communications, energy production and even warfare depends on China’s extraction and processing of these minerals.
According to the Defense Department, every F-35 fighter contains around 900 pounds of rare earth materials. Some submarines need more than 9,200 pounds of the materials. Demand for critical minerals is expected to skyrocket in the coming years, driven by growth in electric vehicles as well as expansion of data centers for artificial intelligence.
For more than a decade, China has used its control over mineral supplies to exert geopolitical pressure. In 2010, China restricted exports of rare earth minerals to Japan during tensions over a maritime border dispute. That ban lasted seven weeks.

Before this month, China had already restricted U.S. access to four critical minerals — gallium, germanium, antimony and graphite — in retaliation for earlier rounds of U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods. Those minerals are used in chip-making and have applications in semiconductors, military explosives and other weaponry.
In recent years, Chinese state-owned companies have taken over all foreign-owned rare earth refineries in the country. Beijing has also labeled its techniques around rare earth mining and refining as state secrets, further consolidating control over production and export.

Unlike in the United States, dozens of universities in China offer programs structured around rare earth mining and refining. China has developed technologies that allow Chinese companies to extract rare earths at a significantly lower cost than anywhere else in the world.
“The developments we have seen take place in 2025 add further impetus to the desire of the U.S. to diversify its supply chains away from China, but this cannot be done overnight,” Andrew Foran, an economist with TD Bank who analyzes the mineral trade between the United States and China, said in an email.

Some critical minerals, like nickel and lithium, are far more abundant than rare earths, and American mining companies have been engaged for years in extracting them domestically and across the world, though at a fraction of the scale of Chinese companies.

Rare earths, on the other hand, have narrower supply chains and are often more difficult to extract, requiring more cumbersome processes to separate them from other minerals.

The United States has just one operational rare earth mine, in Mountain Pass, Calif., which produces around 15 percent of global rare earths. President Trump issued an executive order last month seeking to support domestic mineral production by speeding up permitting and providing financing for new projects.

But the United States lacks domestic reserves of many critical minerals, so it will need new trading partners if it wishes to ease its reliance on China. Since taking office, Mr. Trump has sought to increase American access to certain critical minerals and rare earths through deals with Ukraine and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and there are deposits in Canada and Greenland, which Mr. Trump has mused about annexing.

Some American companies have been stockpiling rare earths for years in anticipation of a trade war. But the sizes of their emergency stockpiles vary widely, so the timing of production disruptions is hard to predict.
I was telling somebody about this a few weeks ago the United states has very limited natural material of his own at some point in the near future, somebody is going to get up in Trump face to tell him to drop this bullshit.
 
Politically Connected Firms Benefit From Trump Tariff Exemptions Amid Secrecy, Confusion

by Robert Faturechi
April 22, 2025


After President Donald Trump announced sweeping new tariffs earlier this month, the White House released a list of more than a thousand products that would be exempted.

One item that made the list is polyethylene terephthalate, more commonly known as PET resin, the thermoplastic used to make plastic bottles.

Why it was spared is unclear, and even people in the industry are confused about the reason for the reprieve.

But its inclusion is a win for Reyes Holdings, a Coca-Cola bottler that ranks among the largest privately held companies in the U.S. and is owned by a pair of brothers who have donated millions of dollars to Republican causes. Records show the company recently hired a lobbying firm with close ties to the Trump White House to make its case on tariffs.…

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Very interesting take on the tariff situation from Mike Rowe in comparison to the US economy post slavery. Never gave this any thought but there are some parallels. Not saying this current chaos is way it should've been done, but getting of that China titty and having a more self-sustaining economy should be the goal. IMO anyway.

 
President Trump announces that the United States will substantially lower tariffs on China

'Tariffs on China will not be 145%, but they also won't be zero. We're working with China, and we're very happy with them' – Trump
 
Very interesting take on the tariff situation from Mike Rowe in comparison to the US economy post slavery. Never gave this any thought but there are some parallels. Not saying this current chaos is way it should've been done, but getting of that China titty and having a more self-sustaining economy should be the goal. IMO anyway.


Wouldn't you start building the infrastructure here first before starting this shit?
 
Very interesting take on the tariff situation from Mike Rowe in comparison to the US economy post slavery. Never gave this any thought but there are some parallels. Not saying this current chaos is way it should've been done, but getting of that China titty and having a more self-sustaining economy should be the goal. IMO anyway.


Trump encouraged the EU to get off of Russia titty
will take years to assess the long term effects but short term that has been horrible.

sanctions definitely helped Russia tackle being more self-sufficient
Eu nations can’t utter those words

stimulation of our economy is possible but they have to be careful
 
Trump to cut tariffs on China to between 50% and 65% - WSJ reports


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EU and China close to major deal to lift sanctions - SCMP

The European Parliament is in the “final stages” of discussions with China about removing sanctions on its members, smoothing the way for normalised relations with the bloc.
 
Wouldn't you start building the infrastructure here first before starting this shit?

Trump encouraged the EU to get off of Russia titty
will take years to assess the long term effects but short term that has been horrible.

sanctions definitely helped Russia tackle being more self-sufficient
Eu nations can’t utter those words

stimulation of our economy is possible but they have to be careful





The White House has put itself and the country in a bad situation but doesn’t realize it yet.

Around April 10th China to USA trade shut down.

It takes ~30 days for containers to go from China to LA.

45 to Houston by sea, 45 to Chicago by train.

55 to New York by sea.

That means that there are no economic effects of what was done on April 10th until about May 10th.

Around that time (it’s already started to happen) trucking work is going to dry up. Warehouses will start doing layoffs because no labor is needed to unload containers and some products will be out of stock, reducing the need for shipping labor.

All this will start in the Los Angeles area.

After about 2 weeks, it’ll start hitting Chicago and Houston.

Let’s say the White House, after 3 weeks, changes its mind, on May 31st.

“This isn’t working out like we thought it would. Tariffs back to 0.”

Let’s say China says “bygones be bygones, we’ll go back to how things were”.

Let’s say every factory in China that got screwed by their orders being cancelled says the same thing “no problem, we’ll make and ship”.

The problem is, even under the most favorable conditions of China and the factories restarting economic ties as though nothing happened, it will be at least another 30 days before economic activity is revived.

And that’s just in LA.

In Chicago/Houston, you’ll need to wait another 45 days.

New York, at that point, will still be getting containers from before April 10th, they will then have 50 days (May 31 minus April 10) of zero economic activity at the ports, in trucking of Chinese goods, in warehousing.

The whole situation is a bit like lockdowns. Once you shut down, it takes a long time to get economic activity back to where it was, if you ever can.

And again, this assumes, that China and its factories, which make things you can’t buy elsewhere, will start right back up again as though nothing happened, which is unlikely.

It’s almost like we’re speeding towards a brick wall but the driver of the car doesn’t see it yet.

By the time he does, it’ll be too late to hit the brakes.
 
Yes sir this post is in lines with one economist message.
I made a thread about it and what I’ve experienced already.
I’m link this post there






The White House has put itself and the country in a bad situation but doesn’t realize it yet.

Around April 10th China to USA trade shut down.

It takes ~30 days for containers to go from China to LA.

45 to Houston by sea, 45 to Chicago by train.

55 to New York by sea.

That means that there are no economic effects of what was done on April 10th until about May 10th.

Around that time (it’s already started to happen) trucking work is going to dry up. Warehouses will start doing layoffs because no labor is needed to unload containers and some products will be out of stock, reducing the need for shipping labor.

All this will start in the Los Angeles area.

After about 2 weeks, it’ll start hitting Chicago and Houston.

Let’s say the White House, after 3 weeks, changes its mind, on May 31st.

“This isn’t working out like we thought it would. Tariffs back to 0.”

Let’s say China says “bygones be bygones, we’ll go back to how things were”.

Let’s say every factory in China that got screwed by their orders being cancelled says the same thing “no problem, we’ll make and ship”.

The problem is, even under the most favorable conditions of China and the factories restarting economic ties as though nothing happened, it will be at least another 30 days before economic activity is revived.

And that’s just in LA.

In Chicago/Houston, you’ll need to wait another 45 days.

New York, at that point, will still be getting containers from before April 10th, they will then have 50 days (May 31 minus April 10) of zero economic activity at the ports, in trucking of Chinese goods, in warehousing.

The whole situation is a bit like lockdowns. Once you shut down, it takes a long time to get economic activity back to where it was, if you ever can.

And again, this assumes, that China and its factories, which make things you can’t buy elsewhere, will start right back up again as though nothing happened, which is unlikely.

It’s almost like we’re speeding towards a brick wall but the driver of the car doesn’t see it yet.

By the time he does, it’ll be too late to hit the brakes.
 
Shipping customers have canceled 30% of US orders from China amid tariff chaos, logistics giant says

Meanwhile, there has been a “massive increase” in demand for shipments from Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Hapag-Lloyd the German shipping company, which is one of the largest in the world, told Reuters.

By Taylor Herzlich
April 23, 2025


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Very interesting take on the tariff situation from Mike Rowe in comparison to the US economy post slavery. Never gave this any thought but there are some parallels. Not saying this current chaos is way it should've been done, but getting of that China titty and having a more self-sustaining economy should be the goal. IMO anyway.



Yeah, it makes sense mainly due to national security.

We saw during the Covid pandemic how dependent we were from China when they shut the country completely down, which caused America to have a shortage of medical supplies, masks, semiconductor chips, etc.

The primary reason American manufacturing was shut down and relocated overseas was to destroy the labor unions working in those plants and cripple the American Middle Class.

It was all part of Reaganomics.

And we are paying for it now.
 
Yeah, it makes sense mainly due to national security.

We saw during the Covid pandemic how dependent we were from China when they shut the country completely down, which caused America to have a shortage of medical supplies, masks, semiconductor chips, etc.

The primary reason American manufacturing was shut down and relocated overseas was to destroy the labor unions working in those plants and cripple the American Middle Class.

It was all part of Reaganomics.

And we are paying for it now.


If this the case and I’m not doubt it
You’d think actions would’ve been created to counter his doings.
I mean that was the fucking 80’s, it’s taken Trump to come in and wreck havoc.
in Da Boot, sugarcane is our crop…. over the years you’d see less fields. I was told the government outsourced the growing overseas…

The last few years, our fisherman having issues with imported seafood flooding the market.
With the rising prices in fuel and other things our local industry having a hard time.

You have a city like New Orleans, who’s in/on the gulf but importing seafood.
Why the fucking I live in Da Boot and eating imported crawfish or shrimp wtf

I don’t trip about crabs becuase that a nice smooth blue crab that comes from Maine or some where up there.

This just things I’ve noticed myself
 
Wouldn't you start building the infrastructure here first before starting this shit?
That's the main problem with this idea of manufacture jobs coming back here is we don't have the infrastructure for it. The last few decades the focus has been on building housing, super gas stations (Wawa, Buc-ee's), retail stores and the retail warehouses hubs where alot of factories use to be. Trump has his MAGAs thinking this will be a overnight process or that factories that they once worked at will come back to life and it will be back to the way it was that is the delusion they have been sold on. There are still coal miners in these rural areas that have been waiting since Trump's 1st term for coal to comeback but guess who the number one country that consumes coal is you guessed it China :smh: and even they are ahead of us on cleaner alternatives. Trump has these cacs set on going back to their glory days of things the problem it's a dream they can never recreate or go back to no matter how are they try.
 
That's the main problem with this idea of manufacture jobs coming back here is we don't have the infrastructure for it. The last few decades the focus has been on building housing, super gas stations (Wawa, Buc-ee's), retail stores and the retail warehouses hubs where alot of factories use to be. Trump has his MAGAs thinking this will be a overnight process or that factories that they once worked at will come back to life and it will be back to the way it was that is the delusion they have been sold on. There are still coal miners in these rural areas that have been waiting since Trump's 1st term for coal to comeback but guess who the number one country that consumes coal is you guessed it China :smh: and even they are ahead of us on cleaner alternatives. Trump has these cacs set on going back to their glory days of things the problem it's a dream they can never recreate or go back to no matter how are they try.
Exactly this is why I trying really didn’t have to do anything because those days that Trump want to go back to our long gone and are not coming back

 
Very interesting take on the tariff situation from Mike Rowe in comparison to the US economy post slavery. Never gave this any thought but there are some parallels. Not saying this current chaos is way it should've been done, but getting of that China titty and having a more self-sustaining economy should be the goal. IMO anyway.


What "titty" are you talking about?
Paying someone for something you want to buy isn't being on their titty.
You can say that making something for someone to buy is being on THEIR titty.
You make phones but you NEED my money.
 
What "titty" are you talking about?
Paying someone for something you want to buy isn't being on their titty.
You can say that making something for someone to buy is being on THEIR titty.
You make phones but you NEED my money.
I partially agree, but this arrangement that point China as the word's seller and America as the buyer wasn't how it was meant to be. This took 30 plus years of corporations slowing sending jobs overseas for profit and the benefit was cheaper production of goods which meant more profit initially. Fast foward to the present corporations wouldn't hardly know how to get those jobs back because it's been 30 years of a knowledge and skills drain. China can now sell us low quality, cheap shit because we don't have much of an alternative aka the know how to do it and efficiently. So figuratively speaking we went from a couple coke bumps on the weekend to full on crackhead, mortgaging the house to get more cheap shit and finally taking whatever they selling u because we need that hit of "cheap goods". Buying power if the only trump card we have(no pun intended). When/if China figures that part out being that they have the second largest purchasing economy then we're really in for a rude awakening. Unfortunately, it took a egotistical dumbass to show us this and even more unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have a cohesive plan to get us off the titty. Make no mistake though, we gotta move off that titty.:cool:
 
I partially agree, but this arrangement that point China as the word's seller and America as the buyer wasn't how it was meant to be. This took 30 plus years of corporations slowing sending jobs overseas for profit and the benefit was cheaper production of goods which meant more profit initially. Fast foward to the present corporations wouldn't hardly know how to get those jobs back because it's been 30 years of a knowledge and skills drain. China can now sell us low quality, cheap shit because we don't have much of an alternative aka the know how to do it and efficiently. So figuratively speaking we went from a couple coke bumps on the weekend to full on crackhead, mortgaging the house to get more cheap shit and finally taking whatever they selling u because we need that hit of "cheap goods". Buying power if the only trump card we have(no pun intended). When/if China figures that part out being that they have the second largest purchasing economy then we're really in for a rude awakening. Unfortunately, it took a egotistical dumbass to show us this and even more unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have a cohesive plan to get us off the titty. Make no mistake though, we gotta move off that titty.:cool:
Not getting your logic.

We have buying power because the stuff is cheap. Post covid has shown us that our buying power is a fallacy when prices spiked, but salaries stayed the same or in a lot of cases decreased.

You justify your position with the talking point that we buy too much useless shit anyway. However, you ignore the fact that people are struggling to pay for legit goods and services as well. People are literally dying and/or going into debt because they can't afford AMERICAN made medications and services. Before you start with the unhealthy lifestyle talking point, quite a few people that were living right have been hit hit by medical emergencies they couldn't afford. Also, a lot of folks are born with certain medical issues that are expensive to keep under control.

Please explain to me how you see things going once we get off the titty.
 
Not getting your logic.

We have buying power because the stuff is cheap. Post covid has shown us that our buying power is a fallacy when prices spiked, but salaries stayed the same or in a lot of cases decreased.

You justify your position with the talking point that we buy too much useless shit anyway. However, you ignore the fact that people are struggling to pay for legit goods and services as well. People are literally dying and/or going into debt because they can't afford AMERICAN made medications and services. Before you start with the unhealthy lifestyle talking point, quite a few people that were living right have been hit hit by medical emergencies they couldn't afford. Also, a lot of folks are born with certain medical issues that are expensive to keep under control.

Please explain to me how you see things going once we get off the titty.
We having buying power because of our spending habits. Nobody spends money they don’t have and puts things on credit more than Americans. The average American doesnt have $500 in their bank account for an emergency and you can’t just put that on medical debt. If everything got cheaper we shouldn’t be in more debt. That’s a separate discussion.

One way getting off the titty relates to money people’s pockets to simply put it are jobs. Everybody can’t have a 4 year degree. We got way more people with degrees now vs then and wages are stagnant and now you got studentYou a Detroit kat so this should be easily understandable. Those jobs weren’t cheap toy making jobs that left Michigan and other parts of the country. The manufacturing sent outside the and overseas was not meant to be our skilled factory labor but corporations exploited it by giving excuses like “Americans like cheap good”. Well once you send their jobs away who’s gone be buying the cheap goods? I’m not saying the path to bringing jobs back is easy but there’s a logical conclusion if China remains the manufacturing center of the world. The CHIPS Act is just a small blueprint on bringing these kinds of jobs back, but like I said in my previous post the brain drain was/is real and we don’t even have a base of skilled labor to make those high tech chips to fill those jobs so it will take time. Passing legislation to subsidize education for those sectors along with tariffs is a start.
 
I partially agree, but this arrangement that point China as the word's seller and America as the buyer wasn't how it was meant to be. This took 30 plus years of corporations slowing sending jobs overseas for profit and the benefit was cheaper production of goods which meant more profit initially. Fast foward to the present corporations wouldn't hardly know how to get those jobs back because it's been 30 years of a knowledge and skills drain. China can now sell us low quality, cheap shit because we don't have much of an alternative aka the know how to do it and efficiently. So figuratively speaking we went from a couple coke bumps on the weekend to full on crackhead, mortgaging the house to get more cheap shit and finally taking whatever they selling u because we need that hit of "cheap goods". Buying power if the only trump card we have(no pun intended). When/if China figures that part out being that they have the second largest purchasing economy then we're really in for a rude awakening. Unfortunately, it took an egotistical dumbass to show us this and even more unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have a cohesive plan to get us off the titty. Make no mistake though, we gotta move off that titty.:cool:
I don’t think you are well versed in this topic to have an educated opinion. That is not an insult. Reading what you wrote shows me that you have little idea on what is happening. Please do some more studying.

This is a 400 year thing. Rooted in slavery.

The only reason America one of the newest countries was able to gain wealth and compete was because of free and cheap labor of slaves and immigrants.

“Americans” themselves always wanted to be paid top dollar and rioted and fought to keep all their money. Look up Boston Tea Party and Unions.

America cannot go back in time. They cannot ever compete with China when it comes to manufacturing.

This ain’t that type of country. America is the “best” they aren’t gonna be humble and work for 3/hr. Unless they bring back slavery.

Also Chinese goods ain’t always poor qualify. Some of the high quality things they make will have you shit on yourself.
 
From repairs to insurance, Trump’s auto tariffs could make owning a car more expensive

While the White House says these tariffs will foster domestic manufacturing and raise $100 billion in revenue annually, economists stress that straining the auto industry’s global supply chain brings significant disruptions. Dealerships and car repair shops will likely have little choice but to raise prices — leading drivers across the country to pay more for everyday maintenance.

BY WYATTE GRANTHAM-PHILIPS
March 28, 2025

 
Product shortages and empty store shelves loom with falling shipments from China

Businesses have been canceling orders for products from China after Trump imposed a 145% tariff on most Chinese imports, risking product shortages for American consumers.

By Shannon Pettypiece
April 25, 2025


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Customers shop at Costco in Niantic, Conn., on April 18.
 
I don’t think you are well versed in this topic to have an educated opinion. That is not an insult. Reading what you wrote shows me that you have little idea on what is happening. Please do some more studying.

This is a 400 year thing. Rooted in slavery.

The only reason America one of the newest countries was able to gain wealth and compete was because of free and cheap labor of slaves and immigrants.

“Americans” themselves always wanted to be paid top dollar and rioted and fought to keep all their money. Look up Boston Tea Party and Unions.

America cannot go back in time. They cannot ever compete with China when it comes to manufacturing.

This ain’t that type of country. America is the “best” they aren’t gonna be humble and work for 3/hr. Unless they bring back slavery.

Also Chinese goods ain’t always poor qualify. Some of the high quality things they make will have you shit on yourself.
Brah, stop. You are being insulting and talking out your ass at same time. You can connect the history of this country to slavery in almost any aspect so nothing is new there. It's like saying the origin of everything came out of Africa, dohh. You clearly didn't read or understand what I wrote because nobody is advocating for $3 an hour jobs and nowhere did I insinuate that. We can completely skip that part of history and start this discussion after the introduction of labor laws, child labor and you'll still have America's most prosperous in manufacturing. That's after WWII aka the baby boom years. The jobs that eventually left were NOT menial, low skilled labor. America made agreements with the world including China because after WWII America was basically the only economy in the war that was thriving. We agreed to allow tariffs on exported American goods to allow everyone else to recover and rebuild including not labeling certain products we made their actual names like champagne or certain cheeses unless they came out of Europe. A of lot people don't understand that geographically America probably has one of the best landscape for natural resources. We literally could be self-sufficient econonmy and operate with much less globalism. Chinese good were initially cheap and shitty quality but got better based on a combination of us sending most of our manufacturing there and through IP theft. That's not an argument, but a fact. Now we're in the present and acting like crackheads can't get off the shit and don't want to. I'm not talking about a 180, but course correction. It's NEEDed, just not in the way Trump is fumbling this shit.
 
We having buying power because of our spending habits. Nobody spends money they don’t have and puts things on credit more than Americans. The average American doesnt have $500 in their bank account for an emergency and you can’t just put that on medical debt. If everything got cheaper we shouldn’t be in more debt. That’s a separate discussion.

One way getting off the titty relates to money people’s pockets to simply put it are jobs. Everybody can’t have a 4 year degree. We got way more people with degrees now vs then and wages are stagnant and now you got studentYou a Detroit kat so this should be easily understandable. Those jobs weren’t cheap toy making jobs that left Michigan and other parts of the country. The manufacturing sent outside the and overseas was not meant to be our skilled factory labor but corporations exploited it by giving excuses like “Americans like cheap good”. Well once you send their jobs away who’s gone be buying the cheap goods? I’m not saying the path to bringing jobs back is easy but there’s a logical conclusion if China remains the manufacturing center of the world. The CHIPS Act is just a small blueprint on bringing these kinds of jobs back, but like I said in my previous post the brain drain was/is real and we don’t even have a base of skilled labor to make those high tech chips to fill those jobs so it will take time. Passing legislation to subsidize education for those sectors along with tariffs is a start.
The current administration has NO plans for subsidizing education and was damn near ready to blow up the chips act. If they stay on course, only the few elites will be able to afford the education for those tech jobs. So again how exactly is this pipe dream of yours us supposed to work?
 
The current administration has NO plans for subsidizing education and was damn near ready to blow up the chips act. If they stay on course, only the few elites will be able to afford the education for those tech jobs. So again how exactly is this pipe dream of yours us supposed to work?
Did I say this administration is doing a good job of it? The blueprint of tariffs, education, along with legislation like the CHIPS act is in MY opinion how it should done and no there's no quick solution as this goofy bastard Trump is saying. Biden said he was going get rid of the Trump tariffs and he didn't touch em. Trump said he would get rid of the CHIPS act and he didn't touch it so the combination of leaving those two in effect is seeing those computer chips factories being built and hope it continues(That took 8 years). Bringing those kinds of jobs back is still the way forward otherwise prepare to learn Mandarin.
 
Brah, stop. You are being insulting and talking out your ass at same time. You can connect the history of this country to slavery in almost any aspect so nothing is new there. It's like saying the origin of everything came out of Africa, dohh. You clearly didn't read or understand what I wrote because nobody is advocating for $3 an hour jobs and nowhere did I insinuate that. We can completely skip that part of history and start this discussion after the introduction of labor laws, child labor and you'll still have America's most prosperous in manufacturing. That's after WWII aka the baby boom years. The jobs that eventually left were NOT menial, low skilled labor. America made agreements with the world including China because after WWII America was basically the only economy in the war that was thriving. We agreed to allow tariffs on exported American goods to allow everyone else to recover and rebuild including not labeling certain products we made their actual names like champagne or certain cheeses unless they came out of Europe. A of lot people don't understand that geographically America probably has one of the best landscape for natural resources. We literally could be self-sufficient econonmy and operate with much less globalism. Chinese good were initially cheap and shitty quality but got better based on a combination of us sending most of our manufacturing there and through IP theft. That's not an argument, but a fact. Now we're in the present and acting like crackheads can't get off the shit and don't want to. I'm not talking about a 180, but course correction. It's NEEDed, just not in the way Trump is fumbling this shit.
I mentioned slavery bc that doomed economic principle is the only reason America is where it is.
Once it ended America hit an iceberg of sorts and didn't know it. Cause they can't complete with nations who have a lower standard of living.

Alright. Good then. Let's talk about today.
How is the United States going to manufacture everything that America needs and keep the prices competitive with some place like China, Vietnam, Thailand etc? Please explain. Give me a time frame and exactly where in America all these factories will be? How is the new tariff policy going to help make all that happen?

Then you will see why I mentioned $3/hr.
 
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