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Mr. Met said:
Cooked Draymond.

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Excellent contribution, that hasn't been posted or discussed at all. :rolleyes:

Costanza said:
The Big Overrated​

There is a strong case that Oscar Robertson is one of the most overrated players in history when considering his impact relative to his reputation. Here’s why:

1. Statistical Inflation in the 1960s​

  • The NBA of the early 1960s was a vastly different environment, with an extremely fast pace leading to inflated statistics. Teams regularly took over 100 shots per game, compared to modern teams that average around 85.
  • Robertson's famous triple-double season (30.8 PPG, 12.5 RPG, 11.4 APG) came in a league where multiple players posted absurd numbers that would be unrealistic today (e.g., Wilt Chamberlain averaging 50.4 PPG).
  • His assist numbers were also inflated by a looser definition of what constituted an assist at the time.

2. Lack of Playoff Success as the Main Guy​

  • Despite his gaudy stats, Robertson’s Cincinnati Royals teams failed to make any serious noise in the postseason.
  • In his 10 seasons with the Royals, he never led them past the conference finals.
  • The Royals had multiple Hall of Fame players (Jerry Lucas, Jack Twyman), yet they remained a mediocre team. A truly transcendent superstar should be able to elevate his team to championship contention.

3. Winning Only After Joining Kareem Abdul-Jabbar​

  • Robertson’s lone championship came in 1971 when he joined a Milwaukee Bucks team led by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the league’s most dominant force at the time.
  • By then, Robertson’s role had diminished significantly—he was no longer the primary driver of the team’s success.
  • This suggests he was more of a complementary piece to a championship team rather than a true franchise-carrying superstar.

4. Athleticism and Skill Set Limitations​

  • Unlike players such as Michael Jordan, LeBron James, or Kobe Bryant, Robertson was not an elite athlete by modern standards. His game relied heavily on size and strength rather than speed or explosiveness.
  • He played in an era with less defensive sophistication, where players rarely faced the kind of elite perimeter defenders seen in later decades.
  • His mid-range-heavy game, while effective in his era, did not age as well in a modern analytical context.

5. Overemphasis on Triple-Doubles​

  • Adjusted for pace by 21st century standards, nearly a third of Robertson's triple-doubles would not have happened.
  • Robertson’s legacy is largely built on being the first player to average a triple-double, but this has been somewhat devalued by Russell Westbrook, who has averaged a triple-double multiple times in an era with much greater athleticism and defensive complexity.
  • The fact that Westbrook has been criticized for "stat-padding" raises questions about how much real impact Robertson’s numbers had in his era.

Conclusion​

Robertson's statistical accomplishments were inflated by era, his playoff record as the main guy was underwhelming, and he only won a title as a secondary option to Kareem. When adjusted for era, Robertson’s impact does not stand out as much as his raw numbers suggest, making him one of the most overrated players in basketball history.
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thundercat said:
These players are gonna fuck around and lose 100% guaranteed contracts.

I was all for more player empowerment about 10 years ago, but since they've had it, a large % of these players have shown to be selfish and don't care about the league. The optics are terrible. Ben Simmons stealing $200 million, Jimmy under contract for 2 more years and sabotaging his own team to get out, Kawhi has been on vacation with pay for about 2 yrs, etc...I could go on all day. They're fuckin up the product for future hoopers.

I think the bigger the bag gets, the greater the chance of partially guaranteed deals. These teams aren't gonna get locked into paying someone 70 mil annually without a backdoor to escape it. And they'll have niggas like Ben Simmons to thank for it.
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I feel That but the money has to go somewhere…..who should get that money?
 



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REDLINE said:
:lol:


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It’s funny to see the anti-poor accusation as I come to post this:



It’s actually what Kerr says after what is quoted that is most significant. I think it’s a meaningful clip.

This weekend I was a clip where Anthony Edwards described Curry as “loving.” The way his peers talk about him is DIFFERENT.
 
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Amajorfucup said:
Nobody was beating that Warriors team healthy. Furthering the point... Welvin is a fucking idiot.
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The Warriors 100% healthy didn't have the size or depth to match the Raptors. Once it was clear they couldn't out talent them, it was over. They didn't win a single home game that series, so they had no shot of winning. The injury excuse is because they choked after being heavily favored. Klay missed 1 game and Dubs fans were saying they wouldn't even need KD when the series started. :lol:
 

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