THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL

[God-Of-War-420]

fam, why are you on his neck like that, let him have have his moment, it was a much needed positive.

My bad y'all I ran out of kratom and my new shipment hasn't come in, it's been rough since I quit smoking weed about a year and a half ago and recently drinking...asshole level turned up to 11 lol

Im sounding more and more like jim Cornette

 

[datboi]

Learn what exactly?

How to be a performer, Being successful at this level is more than just work rate, there's Promos, psychology and story telling in a match.

The platform is bigger but the wrestling isn't. It's like McDonald's. Yes, you've sold the most hamburgers but your burgers taste like shit. That mom and pop shop down the street has better tasting hamburgers.
Usually we you quantify a sports or entertainment business it's based on revenue, profits, attendance and ratings/viewership.

I wouldn't classify WWE as deep Waters nor would I classified their talent as sharks or killer whales. You highly overrate WWE talent. If anything especially in Giulia's case she's already come from the deep waters. Nobody in WWE is gonna out work her unless it's another Joshi (Asuka, Iyo, KAIRI). This statement is exactly why they will need the performance center. Once again the WWE style is not about being a great worker but developing your character and performing that and getting the audience to love or hate your character. Just understanding the difference in having to perform in a silent library to 20,000 screaming fans cause alot of performance anxiety and stage fright. The biggest stars in history were not "great" workers with the exception of Ric Flair HBK and Brett. As wrestlers that had ring work Hogan sucked, Cena Sucked, Rock sucked, Undertaker sucked. Saying WWE is not deep waters is like saying players in the USFL don't believe the NFL is deep waters or players in the Euro League or CBL don't believe the best players aren't in the NBA. Euro League may have better pure shooters but you will see how they fare when they are in the big leagues only a select few can transition their skill set into an overall game in this case Wrestler that will have what it takes to be a top superstar.

 

[datboi]

So MJF/Osprey gets a 60 minute match and the champion of your company gets 10 minutes. What a fucking joke of a company.

I expected more out of the Okada/Swerve match. I want to like AEW. TK makes it hard. He really should consider bringing in Scott D'Amore formerly of TNA. I have to admit TNA is entertaining. AEW booked a great show with the exception of Mercedes vs Nyla I would have had her fight Shida. You don't put your shiny new champion that has a history of injury in a match against a 300 lb man cosplaying as a woman.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I thought Ember was a dime in high school?!?!

You telling me she was some geek off the streets?

That chic was a anime band geek and to this day I’m shocked to see her be a professional wrestler lol. Sweet girl but yeah she wasn’t given no brotha the time of day lol.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I personally don't care what someone's dating preference is. All that should matter is two black women (Willow, Athena) are achieving success in this wrestling business. Kudos to them.

All skin ain’t kin though. I look at them as sistas until they give me a reason not to.

 

[dtownsfinest]

So you're prejudice against white people. Got it!

How does that make you prejudice against white people you say some crazy shit in here man lol….pro black don’t make you anti white or prejudice….

 

[dtownsfinest]

Let's just keep it 100%. Are you honestly gonna tell me that Bayley, Bianca Belair, Charlotte Flair, Rhea Ripley, etc are more skilled at wrestling than Giulia, Sareee, or Mayu iwatani? Of course not. They just wrestle on the biggest platform with a 40 plus year machine behind them. Sharks? No! Are they the big leagues? In platform and branding yes. In actually wrestling no. That's why I used the McDonalds reference because yes McDonalds is the biggest hamburger brand but their hamburgers suck. Everybody and they moma know there's better places to eat hamburgers. Why is McDonalds still around then? Simple. Decades of consumer conditioning. Same with WWE.

Yeah but your analogy is that McDonald’s is the most popular but their burgers suck. So you’re saying WWE has the best brand but their wrestlers suck which is CRAZY because AEW champion holders are all ex WWE wrestlers except Okada and Perry and MjF.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Let's just keep it 100%. Are you honestly gonna tell me that Bayley, Bianca Belair, Charlotte Flair, Rhea Ripley, etc are more skilled at wrestling than Giulia, Sareee, or Mayu iwatani? Of course not. They just wrestle on the biggest platform with a 40 plus year machine behind them. Sharks? No! Are they the big leagues? In platform and branding yes. In actually wrestling no. That's why I used the McDonalds reference because yes McDonalds is the biggest hamburger brand but their hamburgers suck. Everybody and they moma know there's better places to eat hamburgers. Why is McDonalds still around then? Simple. Decades of consumer conditioning. Same with WWE.

Yeah but your analogy is that McDonald’s is the most popular but their burgers suck. So you’re saying WWE has the best brand but their wrestlers suck which is CRAZY because AEW champion holders are all ex WWE wrestlers except Okada and Perry and MjF.

 

[chemist]

How does that make you prejudice against white people you say some crazy shit in here man lol….pro black don’t make you anti white or prejudice….

You're a better man than me cause I wasn't responding to that bullshit.

 

[God-Of-War-420]

How does that make you prejudice against white people you say some crazy shit in here man lol….pro black don’t make you anti white or prejudice….

Man, speak for yourself I'm anti white and prejudice...

 

[God-Of-War-420]

Jesus Christ Japanese strong style must have really taken its toll on oCody, he's 36 but moves like he's 56. Just made it to the Swerve match(one of the only aew wrestlers I like) and he just looks awful, Sloppy, slow, no impact to anything he does, he looks like an old man. I'm aware he use to be talented but I could see where his old style has taken it out of him.



Ospraey v mjf was long, that's my review. It was longer than Taylor Swifts back.

Sasha banks v gable Stevenson in a singlet and wig was also the shits.

 

[God-Of-War-420]

Jesus Christ Japanese strong style must have really taken its toll on oCody, he's 36 but moves like he's 56. Just made it to the Swerve match(one of the only aew wrestlers I like) and he just looks awful, Sloppy, slow, no impact to anything he does, he looks like an old man. I'm aware he use to be talented but I could see where his old style has taken it out of him.



Ospraey v mjf was long, that's my review. It was longer than Taylor Swifts back.

Sasha banks v gable Stevenson in a singlet and wig was also the shits.

Shitty ending to a shitty match, overall they accomplished what they set out to do which is to try and lure some of the flock back by throwing some stars out there, wish that ospraey mjf would have been closer to 25-30 minutes vs 1hr and given more room for other matches or the other matches on the card.

I have no interest in this team AEW bs the hardly bit crew and cross dressing Darby getting stuck was hilarious...this was certainly so end game wcw shit lol

 

[dtownsfinest]

Man, speak for yourself I'm anti white and prejudice...

Aye you can be pro black and prejudice. I’ll allow it lol.

 

[blackman80]

You're so delusional but I appreciate your love for your favorites! I want fans like you and @blackman80 lmao

If WWE is McDonald's then aew and those Japanese leagues are the Tams in South Central LA(iykyk) and the yoshinoyas that takes EBT. Lmao gtfoh

Brother @God-Of-War-420 , Man, you make this thread fun and entertaining!!..Keep doing you!!..

 

[Mastermind2002]

Yeah but your analogy is that McDonald’s is the most popular but their burgers suck. So you’re saying WWE has the best brand but their wrestlers suck

Best and popularity are two different things.
Taylor Swift is more popular than H.E.R but H.E.R is a better singer than Taylor Swift. Snoop Dogg is more popular than Rakim but Rakim is a better Emcee than Snoop Dogg. McDonald's is more popular than Wendy's but Wendy's is a better tasting burger than McDonald's.

which is CRAZY because AEW champion holders are all ex WWE wrestlers except Okada and Perry and MjF.

Toni Storm was in Stardom before WWE and Swerve was in Lucha Underground and MLW before WWE. That leaves overrated Mercedes.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Best and popularity are two different things.
Taylor Swift is more popular than H.E.R but H.E.R is a better singer than Taylor Swift. Snoop Dogg is more popular than Rakim but Rakim is a better Emcee than Snoop Dogg. McDonald's is more popular than Wendy's but Wendy's is a better tasting burger than McDonald's.



Toni Storm was in Stardom before WWE and Swerve was in Lucha Underground and MLW before WWE. That leaves overrated Mercedes.

Naw man lol….these wrestlers have talent….Lucha Underground didn’t unlock Swerve the talent was always there. Same goes for Toni Storm.

Your point that just because you are the most popular doesn’t make you the best….this is true. But WWE wrestlers don’t suck lol. It’s a different type of wrestling than NJPW and AEW. It’s subjective what’s best. Different styles.

 

[chrislee]

 

[Mastermind2002]

@datboi said
How to be a performer, Being successful at this level is more than just work rate, there's Promos, psychology and story telling in a match.

Giulia already knows how to do all of this which is more head scratching to me that she has to go to NXT yet Jade who's horrible in all the areas you mentioned didn't. But, but, but Jade has the look. Giuila has the look too and a ton more experience.

@datboi said
Usually we you quantify a sports or entertainment business it's based on revenue, profits, attendance and ratings/viewership.

All based on being around for 40 plus years and having a monopoly over the industry for decades until AEW was created.

@datboi said:
This statement is exactly why they will need the performance center. Once again the WWE style is not about being a great worker but developing your character and performing that and getting the audience to love or hate your character. Just understanding the difference in having to perform in a silent library to 20,000 screaming fans cause alot of performance anxiety and stage fright.

All Giulia and Stephanie Vaquer need is the opportunity, and they'll get over with the WWE fanbase no problem. I'm very confident about that.

@datboi said:
The biggest stars in history were not "great" workers with the exception of Ric Flair HBK and Brett.

Huh? Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Chris Beniot, Rey Mysterio Jr, Kurt Angle and that's just in WWE. A wealth of more outside of WWE.

@datboi said:
As wrestlers that had ring work Hogan sucked, Cena Sucked, Rock sucked, Undertaker sucked.

Hogan was actually a good worker he was just purposely limited by Vince in what he could do in WWE. Watch Hogan's work in New Japan and you'll see how good he really was. Cena I agree with you on. Rock was okay. I didn't think his ring work sucked. Same with the Undertaker. Once Taker got older his ring work dropped off but in his prime he was a very good worker.

@datboi said:
Saying WWE is not deep waters is like saying players in the USFL don't believe the NFL is deep waters or players in the Euro League or CBL don't believe the best players aren't in the NBA. Euro League may have better pure shooters but you will see how they fare when they are in the big leagues only a select few can transition their skill set into an overall game in this case Wrestler that will have what it takes to be a top superstar.

I just don't think the comparisons are the same. While all the best basketball players play in the NBA, all the best wrestlers don't necessarily wrestle in the WWE. There is a divide. Omega, Ospreay, Okada, MJF, White, Hangman, etc could show up in WWE tomorrow and be successful. Doesn't matter what platform. When you got it you got it.

 

[Mastermind2002]

All skin ain’t kin though. I look at them as sistas until they give me a reason not to.

Who a black woman's dating preference is isn't a deal breaker for me. Never has been. Love has no color.

 

[Mastermind2002]

Naw man lol….these wrestlers have talent….Lucha Underground didn’t unlock Swerve the talent was always there. Same goes for Toni Storm.

I never said they didn't have talent. Obviously Swerve and Toni Storm have talent all I'm saying is their talent is not a product of WWE. It was already there.

Your point that just because you are the most popular doesn’t make you the best….this is true. But WWE wrestlers don’t suck lol.

Perhaps I used too harsh a term in using the word "suck". I'll retract that.

It’s a different type of wrestling than NJPW and AEW. It’s subjective what’s best. Different styles.

True, if only other WWE stans in thread could understand that.

 

[Mastermind2002]

Yikes!

 

[God-Of-War-420]

Yikes!

I think that on this issue fans on the board of WWE, AEW, TNA, NJPW, Stardom, Marigold, NWA and all the indies and mud shows across the land can unite in saying...Fuck this guy, fuck this lying, self aggrandizing orange hot dog skinned fake Christian cripple. Fuck him and his stupid fucking hair, fuck him and trump, two men who have both basically opined on fucking their own daughters... Fuck them.

This doesn't work for me brother

 

[dik cashmere]

 

[blackman80]

Yikes!

I think that on this issue fans on the board of WWE, AEW, TNA, NJPW, Stardom, Marigold, NWA and all the indies and mud shows across the land can unite in saying...Fuck this guy, fuck this lying, self aggrandizing orange hot dog skinned fake Christian cripple. Fuck him and his stupid fucking hair, fuck him and trump, two men who have both basically opined on fucking their own daughters... Fuck them.

This doesn't work for me brother

Sad Shit Hogan!!..Sad Shit!!...

 

[God-Of-War-420]

 

[God-Of-War-420]

Sad Shit Hogan!!..Sad Shit!!...

Never forget what the gay bar champion said before.

 

[blackman80]

Never forget what the gay bar champion said before.

Yeah, I remember this shit right here!!..Fuck him!!..........Crazy thing, He was one of my Fav wrestlers when I was a kid!!..Him and Mr.T was the duo back when I was kid!!..


Oh well..

 

[dtownsfinest]

Who a black woman's dating preference is isn't a deal breaker for me. Never has been. Love has no color.

Ehh…on the surface? No. But just going on history a lot of women and men who don’t date their own race are damaged and got some underlining issues and trauma from past relationships.

For instance Serena Williams has a white husband….has a history of dating brothers.

Candace Owen’s ain’t shit and hates herself and where she from.

All skin ain’t kin.

Willow….ain’t no brother seen them walls lol.

Love who you love. At the end of the day your happiness comes first. I just hope she more Serena than Candace lol.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I never said they didn't have talent. Obviously Swerve and Toni Storm have talent all I'm saying is their talent is not a product of WWE. It was already there.



Perhaps I used too harsh a term in using the word "suck". I'll retract that.



True, if only other WWE stans in thread could understand that.

I’ll respect that. Just a different type. Some like Target some like Whole Foods.

I’m not gonna say Toni and Swerve are products of WWE but they did wrestle there and part of their development did come from there.
I’ll say this about AEW…a lot criticize Tony for his booking…..I can appreciate him doing his own type of booking. I don’t think he follows the blueprint set by those before him and it bites him in the ass at times with fans but fuck it. I don’t get even playing around with having her face Nyla. If you gonna sell the “dream match” approach he needs to get wrestlers like her and Jericho out of there.

 

[bluemoon]

Transitional??? He's held the championship for 3 months going on 4.

Swerve is only champ still because of will(respect and credit to him for being a better booker than Tony) Tony doesn't care about his token black transitional champ.

 

[XXXplosive]

Yikes!

Hogan exposed himself as a MAGAtard (and racist) long time ago. Not really surprising.

 

[fu2]

Spoiler

 

[Mastermind2002]

Ah shit! Looks like the deal is done.

 

[blackman80]

Ah shit! Looks like the deal is done.

This is a good look for AEW!!..Looks like the deal is done!!...

 

[dtownsfinest]

Transitional??? He's held the championship for 3 months going on 4.

I mean we all know he just holding that belt for Osprey but that being said he’s held the title longer than I expected. Has had some good showings. Could’ve been out in better spots especially out the gate but he’s been a formidable champ. He’s proven he’s championship material.