White Repo Driver has Gun pulled by black security guard during attempted repossession at Kalamazoo church.

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KALAMAZOO, Mich. (WOOD) — A video circulating on social media this week shows a security guard pulling a gun out during a vehicle repossession attempt Sunday at a church in Kalamazoo.

Jesse Carter, who works for a local repossession company that he did not want named, said he spotted a vehicle backed into a parking space Sunday morning that matches a specific and rare color.

“It’s like a burnt orange color,” he said. “It stands out pretty well.”

When Carter drove onto church property to check the VIN number or plate of the vehicle in question, church security asked him to leave.

“The guy approached me and he just kind of said, ‘It’s a church, man. You’re really going to repo from a church?’ And I said, ‘I got a job to do,’” Carter said.

He returned about 10 minutes later, according to church officials. He and another truck driver sped quickly and Carter’s truck positioned itself to tow the vehicle. That’s when the security team, made up of trained volunteers, once again approached the repo man.

One person pulled a gun.


“He was just telling me that he wasn’t going to allow me to take the vehicle. He would protect that property with his life and he told me he was prepared to shoot me,” Carter said.

Video surveillance from the church confirms Carter and another person returning to the church’s parking lot at higher speeds shortly before 11:30 a.m.

“We have them on camera leaving and then they came back and at which point they’re trespassing,” said Pastor Joel Brooks. “And they tried to connect to the car that they actually did not have any rights to. They had the wrong car … So at this point they’re stealing a car from our parking lot.”

Lead pastors Joel and Yvonne Brooks told News 8 that each member of their security team goes through a background check and proper training. The person holding the gun in the video even attended a training course just a couple of week ago held by the church.

“These guys, the way that they came on our parking lot, they broke the peace. They broke the peace we’re trying to establish,” Brooks said. “They were trying to steal the car. They did not have rights to the car. They were stealing the car.”

Michigan statute allows repossession of a vehicle on private property as long as the driver does not break into a gate or damage a structure during the repossession.

In the end, the vehicle in question was not a match to the repossessed vehicle the company was looking for, but Carter was not able to learn that until after police arrived at the scene.

“He kept telling me to leave, go but the car, my truck was in park at that time. Like I said, I didn’t want to make any sudden movements and give him the opportunity to say he felt threatened,” he said.

Tonya Krause-Phelan with Cooley Law told News 8 that people are not legally allowed to use deadly force to protect property. She reviewed the case and said that this situation was most likely a mistake of fact.

“Stand your ground is when you’re confronted with deadly force you can respond with deadly force as long as you’re not in the process of committing a crime,” she said. “There’s nothing to indicate that the repossession person was exhibiting any kind of deadly force that would allow the security guard from the church to come out with a deadly weapon and threaten.”

Kalamazoo Public Safety said they arrested the 40-year-old security volunteer Sunday on suspicion of felonious assault. The prosecutor is reviewing the case. At this time, no charges have been filed.

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Security was wrong though. Can't use deadly force in that manner.
He could of defended the property or stopped the tow truck without pulling a weapon. He may just get charged and for volunteering? Ain't the brightest apple on the tree.
 
Security was wrong though. Can't use deadly force in that manner.
He could of defended the property or stopped the tow truck without pulling a weapon. He may just get charged and for volunteering? Ain't the brightest apple on the tree.
Stopped the tow truck with what? If it was indeed the wrong car that security guard can sue the tow truck company for false arrest.
 
Stopped the tow truck with what? If it was indeed the wrong car that security guard can sue the tow truck company for false arrest.
On what grounds?
The car isn't even his. And he is volunteering. He's not paid by the church.
Sue the towing company because you got arrested for pulling a gun?
Good luck with that

He could of blocked the car with his body or distracted the driver while someone calls the owner of the vehicle inside.
 
You can absolutely use deadly force to protect property.

That is literally what security guards are for.

Tow trucker was trying to steal a car.

Period.
Two scenarios.

These Repo dudes lift cars all the time, have seen it a few times at malls. Those are private property as well. Why security can't pull their weapons on the repoman protecting their shoppers.

Then another scenario.
Your car getting robbed from in front your house. You think you can pull your weapon on that thief without seeing him have a weapon?
 
You think you can pull your weapon on that thief without seeing him have a weapon?
i NEVER post what i think unless i specify.

i post what the law says.

in Michigan a licensed security guard can absolutely protect property at gunpoint. they can also detain, question and search suspects under certain conditions.



the question here is if the volunteers at this church carry a state license.

in my state youre catching a hot one trying to repo a car once youve been told you cant by security.

youre trespassing and in the act of a felony.
 
i NEVER post what i think unless i specify.

i post what the law says.

in Michigan a licensed security guard can absolutely protect property at gunpoint. they can also detain, question and search suspects under certain conditions.



the question here is if the volunteers at this church carry a state license.

in my state youre catching a hot one trying to repo a car once youve been told you cant by security.

youre trespassing and in the act of a felony.
Do these laws apply to a vehicle?
Personal property typically relates to a home or a person.

If that repoman is not presenting a gun or weapon to use deadly force, where is it in the right of security to use a weapon?

And you're stating state laws by a person trained for these positions. I don't know the exact legalese in this situation but from what I read is that the church trained these guards.

As far as I know here in texas, you'd have to have a license by the state then you can go work either private or become a cop.

And I ask these questions, because if the role was reversed and the security was white and I'm a black driver, I would of sent that mofo to meet his maker.

Don't think these Repo nuccas don't carry. Many work private and just grab vehicles working freelance.

My point is none of this warrants pulling a gun. Let the owner of the car deal with that. He can sue the hell out of the tow company or whatever.

But its not worth the security pulling a weapon.

No mall cop is doing that for a vehicle at the mall. What makes this scenario different? Cause it's a church?

Tell that to the judge and a jury of 12 peers.
 
Do these laws apply to a vehicle?
Personal property typically relates to a home or a person.

If that repoman is not presenting a gun or weapon to use deadly force, where is it in the right of security to use a weapon?

And you're stating state laws by a person trained for these positions. I don't know the exact legalese in this situation but from what I read is that the church trained these guards.

As far as I know here in texas, you'd have to have a license by the state then you can go work either private or become a cop.

And I ask these questions, because if the role was reversed and the security was white and I'm a black driver, I would of sent that mofo to meet his maker.

Don't think these Repo nuccas don't carry. Many work private and just grab vehicles working freelance.

My point is none of this warrants pulling a gun. Let the owner of the car deal with that. He can sue the hell out of the tow company or whatever.

But its not worth the security pulling a weapon.

No mall cop is doing that for a vehicle at the mall. What makes this scenario different? Cause it's a church?

Tell that to the judge and a jury of 12 peers.
Why did you not read the statutes I posted?

Ghaa damn this is why I dont like discussing shit with lazy minded emotional driven people.
 
Why did you not read the statutes I posted?

Ghaa damn this is why I dont like discussing shit with lazy minded emotional driven people.
I read both statutes and none have anything to do with personal property.

What point you trying make?

I know laws is why I'm even commenting. You don't sound as if you understand carrying or gun laws.
 
I read both statutes and none have anything to do with personal property.

What point you trying make?

I know laws is why I'm even commenting. You don't sound as if you understand carrying or gun laws.
You read both statues, but failed to comprehend that security guards protect the property that their hired to protect?

You in fact DO NOT know laws.
 
I read both statutes and none have anything to do with personal property.

What point you trying make?

I know laws is why I'm even commenting. You don't sound as if you understand carrying or gun laws.
It's a private property parking lot of the Church in which the security guard was protecting. Everything on that property is under the protection of the Church via that nigga with the gun.



338.1080 Private security police officers; arrest powers; limitations.


Sec. 30.

A private security police officer, as described in section 29, who is properly licensed under this act has the authority to arrest a person without a warrant as set forth for public peace officers in section 15 of chapter IV of the code of criminal procedure, 1927 PA 175, MCL 764.15, when that private security police officer is on the employer's premises. Such authority is limited to his or her hours of employment as a private security police officer and does not extend beyond the boundaries of the property of the employer and while the private security police officer is in the full uniform of the employer.
 
Security Guards job is to observe and report and enforce certain rules. They are NOT Policemen! Sure they can technically 'arrest' and detain' but you can only pull a gun to defend yourself or others if in fact a life was in danger. No one was in danger of their lives. Unfortunately, the tow truck driver can, if he wants to, press charges. As for the car, all they had to do was check the VIN#. Doesn't sound like a legit tow company. They just may have been trying to steal the car.
 
You read both statues, but failed to comprehend that security guards protect the property that their hired to protect?

You in fact DO NOT know laws.

Such authority is limited to his or her hours of employment as a private security police officer and does not extend beyond the boundaries of the property of the employer
Both of you don't understand law. But wish you both well.

Both security and truck driver were wrong.
But that security was wrong for pulling his weapon especially IF that car was the property of the bank.

Both of you claiming you understand the law, yet who got arrested for felonious assault, not the security guard?

It's in the prosecutor's hands if to charge him or not.

Yall can try to interpret the law and bend it to what you think is "right", but that is not the church's property, the vehicle, and he was not trespassing as the pastor said because it is not an enclosed parking lot that the truck broke into.

I'm not trying to troll or come on here to argue or prove who's right or wrong. Just trying to alert someone on protecting your neck.

Both parties wrong here, but being black you know who cops gonna arrest out the gate.
 
does not extend beyond the boundaries of the property of the employer
OMG youre stupid.

that means the security guard can protect everything on the employer's property. He cannot protect the streets leading to it, or any other property beyond it.

you cant understand plain english.
 
Doesn't sound like a legit tow company. They just may have been trying to steal the car.
There's dudes who do this as a hustle. They have a hidden hitch on a regular pickup like as seen in the vid. Then have cameras in the vehicle that scan license plates as they drive by and is connected tp a laptop on the internet. They do it in malls all the time. As they get a hit

They freelance doing it, don't work for a specific company. As they get a hit on a plate they circle back around and grab your car then let the bank know and get paid.

Example:
 
OMG youre stupid.

that means the security guard can protect everything on the employer's property. He cannot protect the streets leading to it, or any other property beyond it.

you cant understand plain english.
Yes I'm dumb. Because that vehicle on the church's property belongs to the church right? Yeah...
 
it doesnt have to you dingaling.

everything on the property is under the protection of the owner.
Cool story if thats what you believe, but who was arrested.

You can argue that they were wrong to arrest him but it's ultimately up to the prosecutor if he wants to press charges.

You want things to be one way when they're not.
 
Cool story if thats what you believe, but who was arrested.

You can argue that they were wrong to arrest him but it's ultimately up to the prosecutor if he wants to press charges.

You want things to be one way when they're not.
naw mayne. you dont get to have this conversation with me :lol:

you dont understand plain ass regular english.

gone, now.
 
Security was wrong though. Can't use deadly force in that manner.
He could of defended the property or stopped the tow truck without pulling a weapon. He may just get charged and for volunteering? Ain't the brightest apple on the tree.

Yep.... He guard was wrong
Michigan's Self-Defense Act, also known as the "Stand Your Ground" law, allows individuals to use deadly force without retreating if they reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault to themselves or others. This law applies even if the individual is not in their home, but there are some situations where it doesn't apply, such as if the individual is committing a crime or trespassing. To use the Stand Your Ground defense, the individual must also be able to prove that they are not breaking the law and that the self-defense occurred in a place they are legally allowed to be.

ON the other hand.....
In Texas, you have the legal right to protect your property as an extension of self-defense. You may use force (including deadly force) to property your home, your workplace, your office or your vehicle. Keep in mind that Texas law requires the use of “reasonable” force in the matter.
Good thing he was in Michigan ! :lol:
 
Security was wrong though.
The repo cac was wrong. Literally. Lets start there. Everything else is just an extension of that.
On what grounds?
The car isn't even his. And he is volunteering. He's not paid by the church.
Sue the towing company because you got arrested for pulling a gun?
Good luck with that

He could of blocked the car with his body or distracted the driver while someone calls the owner of the vehicle inside.
So dont perform security duties on private property because you arent "paid" but risk your life by using your body as blockade against a moving vehicle? :confused:

You're a special kinda stupid.
 
Yep.... He guard was wrong
Michigan's Self-Defense Act, also known as the "Stand Your Ground" law, allows individuals to use deadly force without retreating if they reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault to themselves or others. This law applies even if the individual is not in their home, but there are some situations where it doesn't apply, such as if the individual is committing a crime or trespassing. To use the Stand Your Ground defense, the individual must also be able to prove that they are not breaking the law and that the self-defense occurred in a place they are legally allowed to be.

ON the other hand.....
In Texas, you have the legal right to protect your property as an extension of self-defense. You may use force (including deadly force) to property your home, your workplace, your office or your vehicle. Keep in mind that Texas law requires the use of “reasonable” force in the matter.
Good thing he was in Michigan ! :lol:
Right. And none of all that you stated was even this situation. The truck backed up to the vehicle, didn't even hook or touch the vehicle and he pulled his weapon.

What you wrote also about "force" in texas is you cannot shoot someone breaking into your car. You must use "reasonable force" first then can use deadly force when they present a weapon if you approached them. Many do not understand what "force" is as it applies to the law.

People think real life is a movie.

An attorney told the news he can't do that, a cop arrested him and people think the law is another way. But cool.
 
The repo cac was wrong. Literally. Lets start there. Everything else is just an extension of that.

So dont perform security duties on private property because you arent "paid" but risk your life by using your body as blockade against a moving vehicle? :confused:

You're a special kinda stupid.
That church ain't paying his legal fees. He is liable for that is my point about being paid. Paid employment, they would have some kind of insurance on him. Volunteering that, his legal troubles is on him. But I guess they'll have a collection plate to his lawyer fees
 
Collection and repo agencies are extremely dependent on the ignorance of the public, in order to do business.

Repos on public property are "legal" ONLY if there is no conflict in the recovery. The church had hired security. The security engaged the repo driver, so at THAT point, the repo driver is trespassing, and would have to either follow the driver to another location, sneak back onto the property (which is illegal), or request police escort in the recovery. Those companies bank on consumer ignorance, and LOVE to play ignorant themselves, once they violate the law.
 
Collection and repo agencies are extremely dependent on the ignorance of the public, in order to do business.

Repos on public property are "legal" ONLY if there is no conflict in the recovery. The church had hired security. The security engaged the repo driver, so at THAT point, the repo driver is trespassing, and would have to either follow the driver to another location, sneak back onto the property (which is illegal), or request police escort in the recovery. Those companies bank on consumer ignorance, and LOVE to play ignorant themselves, once they violate the law.
FACTS !... As a former Repo Man I can attest to the fact that "If a recovery agent is interrupted and told to leave private property its game over. A repo man can not breach the peace I don't care if you been looking for the car for a year. Leave or get trespassed or worse. That's the law in MOST STATES Unless... You have a replevin order which I've only had to do once in Illinois and that's when a police escort can be present. Some/Many states are what is referred to as Self recovery states and its you against the debtor. In California you can actually move other cars to get it... Different states have different laws but are very similar. Pulling a Gun is a NO NO unless you are meeting them with equal force and in self defense. Even then you will end up in court explaining how it went from civil to a potential criminal case.
 
There's dudes who do this as a hustle. They have a hidden hitch on a regular pickup like as seen in the vid. Then have cameras in the vehicle that scan license plates as they drive by and is connected tp a laptop on the internet. They do it in malls all the time. As they get a hit

They freelance doing it, don't work for a specific company. As they get a hit on a plate they circle back around and grab your car then let the bank know and get paid.

Example:

I get it but wasn't it said it was the wrong car? Aren't they supposed to check the VIN#? You can't just grab a car because it 'looks' like the car you're looking for?!
 
Yep.... He guard was wrong
Michigan's Self-Defense Act, also known as the "Stand Your Ground" law, allows individuals to use deadly force without retreating if they reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault to themselves or others. This law applies even if the individual is not in their home, but there are some situations where it doesn't apply, such as if the individual is committing a crime or trespassing. To use the Stand Your Ground defense, the individual must also be able to prove that they are not breaking the law and that the self-defense occurred in a place they are legally allowed to be.

ON the other hand.....
In Texas, you have the legal right to protect your property as an extension of self-defense. You may use force (including deadly force) to property your home, your workplace, your office or your vehicle. Keep in mind that Texas law requires the use of “reasonable” force in the matter.
Good thing he was in Michigan ! :lol:
This is only a case of castle law if the guard is not state certified.

IF he is state certified he is given the right to even arrest the tow truck driver.

If the guard isn't (but I find it odd that he wouldn't be) then thats his ass.

That shit would not fly in Tennessee.
 
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