Man I watched all through the Cena era and I hated his 4 move matches. And notice all those matches you posted and who he's wrestling lol. Much superior wrestlers lol. Punk, KO, Styles, Bryan....regarded some of the best wrestlers in the past 20 years

Dude I'm not saying he's Kenny Omega out there I'm just saying he's not as bad as you think.

lol...why you ain't post his matches with Miz or R Truth or no shit like that? :lol:

Every wrestler has their dud matches. Even the greats but Cena has a more respectable catalog of matches than Goldturd.


You can revise history if you want but can't no one convince me that Cena was a great wrestler and put on great matches.

There's no history to revise. The facts are right there. Whether YOU choose to believe it is on you.
 
Jade back to doing squash matches. I guess the performance center did little to help her. She's essentially the same wrestler she was in AEW. Green in the ring and robotic on the mic and it looks like they're gonna start falling into the same trap that AEW did where they're scared to have Jade lose so they book her like Goldberg. Now they got to figure out what to do with her because at this point all she has going for her is "the look" and an entrance.

Damn, its nothing change about Jade wrestling??...So, it's the same ol same ol?....

That's the problem though. She can't improve if they're scared to have her in long matches.
I have no problem with how Jade has been presented in the WWE.
That's the difference between AEW and WWE.
Jade is being presented in WWE as an attraction that you only get to see every now and then.
They're selling her look and presentation and not whether she can have Meltzer wet dream 5-star matches in the ring.
WWE is not going to rush her into the ring like they did in AEW so she can have half hour 'bangers' against girls half her size.
It was a good move to have her partner with Bianca and Naomi so she can learn from them because she's still hella green right now.
Eventually Jade will probably turn on Bianca and that will lead to a program between them.
 
Pretty disappointed with tonight's episode of Raw. WrestleMania was amazing and tonight's show felt like a normal episode of Raw.

No special or surprise returns or debuts.....kind of a let down tonight.

Yeah it was tough to live up to this last weekend so I expected it to take a hit…..but for me it just didn’t feel like an effort was even put into tonight.
Raw was fine for what it was last night.
I think people had unrealistic expectations following WM and were expecting some kind of 'holy shit' moment like an MJF debut.
Every episode of Raw moving forward doesn't have to be the greatest Raw of all time.
 
If you believe that then you weren't paying attention.

- Cena vs AJ Styles at Money In The Bank (2016)
- Cena vs AJ Styles at Summerslam (2016)
- Cena vs AJ Styles at Royal Rumble (2017)
- Cena vs Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan at Summerslam (2013)
- Cena vs CM Punk at Money In The Bank (2011)
- Cena vs Seth Rollins at Summerslam (2015)
- Cena vs Bray Wyatt at Payback (2014)
- Cena vs Kevin Owens at Elimination Chamber (2015)
- Cena vs Kevin Owens at Money In The Bank (2015)
- Cena vs Brock Lesnar vs Seth Rollins at Royal Rumble (2015)

All were good to great matches. Goldturd barely has two memorable matches in his whole career.
I never cared for Goldberg (still don't) and I think he's the most overrated wrestler of all time.
Yes, he drew money because of his look and presentation but he couldn't work and was shit on the mic.
He was basically a bigger Stone Cold in terms of his look.
Never understood all the Goldberg hype.
 
I have no problem with how Jade has been presented in the WWE.
That's the difference between AEW and WWE.
Jade is being presented in WWE as an attraction that you only get to see every now and then.

Because they HAVE to do it that way. She can't wrestle. It's so she doesn't get exposed.

They're selling her look and presentation and not whether she can have Meltzer wet dream 5-star matches in the ring.

You're ALWAYS with the tired "Meltzer wet dream 5 star match" line. Nobody is saying she has to have 5 star matches just improve to a decent level in the ring.

WWE is not going to rush her into the ring like they did in AEW so she can have half hour 'bangers' against girls half her size.

So instead let's do exactly what AEW did and put her in Goldberg squash matches. Wow, how exciting.

It was a good move to have her partner with Bianca and Naomi so she can learn from them because she's still hella green right now.

The good move would be to keep her off of TV until she's ready to go.

Eventually Jade will probably turn on Bianca and that will lead to a program between them.

Who knows when that will be.
 
I have no problem with how Jade has been presented in the WWE.
That's the difference between AEW and WWE.
Jade is being presented in WWE as an attraction that you only get to see every now and then.
They're selling her look and presentation and not whether she can have Meltzer wet dream 5-star matches in the ring.
WWE is not going to rush her into the ring like they did in AEW so she can have half hour 'bangers' against girls half her size.
It was a good move to have her partner with Bianca and Naomi so she can learn from them because she's still hella green right now.
Eventually Jade will probably turn on Bianca and that will lead to a program between them.
I hear you Brother XXXplosive, But what I'm hearing is that in the 3 matches she had so far and she was in the Performance Center for a while...I heard she didn't got better as a wrestler and you see the same ol same ol Jade!!...You know wrestling fans will get bored and lose interested in a wrestler if they don't preformed good or get better in the ring!!...

Hope she gets better as a westler!!..
 
She's essentially the shiny new sports car on the lot that WWE fans are impressed by until you get into the car and test drive it. Then you realize it has a bad engine and the radio doesn't work.
Sounds like a certain promoter who buys new wrestling figures and collects them all like Pokemon....
I'm for it as long as they don't pull a Vince and start raiding all the talent from other Japanese promotions. Then I'll be pissed.
Lolz isn't that what TK did with NJPW and Stardom?
 
I hear you Brother XXXplosive, But what I'm hearing is that in the 3 matches she had so far and she was in the Performance Center for a while...I heard she didn't got better as a wrestler and you see the same ol same ol Jade!!...You know wrestling fans will get bored and lose interested in a wrestler if they don't preformed good or get better in the ring!!...

Hope she gets better as a westler!!..
LOL, last night was her first one-on-one match in the company and y'all have already declared her run in WWE to be a failure. R-E-L-A-X
A year from now if she hasn't improved in the ring and still having squash matches then we can talk about how badly she's been booked.
 
LOL, last night was her first one-on-one match in the company and y'all have already declared her run in WWE to be a failure. R-E-L-A-X
A year from now if she hasn't improved in the ring and still having squash matches then we can talk about how badly she's been booked.
Cats just want anything related to WWE/NXT performance center to fail.

Jade has already shared screen time with some of the biggest names in pro wrestling. That alone makes her signing a success.

Because she isn't doing to Flippy 25 minute match shit they want to call her WWE run a failure already.... Just like they called the whole Rock/Roman/Cody saga a failure when Rock showed up on Smackdown taking Cody's spot....
 
Sounds like a certain promoter who buys new wrestling figures and collects them all like Pokemon....

Lolz isn't that what TK did with NJPW and Stardom?

Not at all. New Japan doesn't have the money to retain anybody. NEVER HAVE! They've always underpaid their talent. That's why people walk and as far as Stardom is concerned, they have a working relationship with AEW. The only talent that has gone to AEW from Stardom is Mariah May.
 
LOL, last night was her first one-on-one match in the company and y'all have already declared her run in WWE to be a failure. R-E-L-A-X
A year from now if she hasn't improved in the ring and still having squash matches then we can talk about how badly she's been booked.
I never said that...I hope she have good success at WWE..But what I'm hearing about her at WWE so far, It's the same Jade vibe she had at AEW!!... :smh: ....Like I said, I hope she gets better as a wrestler!!..That's all I'm saying!!..
 
She's had exactly one singles match so far. It's way too early to know how much she's improved. How difficult is that to understand???

The fact that she had a singles squash match and been involved in a trios match where the OTHER women do the heavy lifting is evidence that she hasn't improved. There would be no need to do that if she has improved. An improved wrestler doesn't need training wheels.
 
Cats just want anything related to WWE/NXT performance center to fail.

Jade has already shared screen time with some of the biggest names in pro wrestling. That alone makes her signing a success.

Because she isn't doing to Flippy 25 minute match shit they want to call her WWE run a failure already.... Just like they called the whole Rock/Roman/Cody saga a failure when Rock showed up on Smackdown taking Cody's spot....
Like I said before, that's the difference between AEW and WWE.
TK hotshots everything with no long-term plans, hence whey the creative is shit right now in AEW and even their hardcore fans are complaining.
Meanwhile (at least in this new era of WWE) they are thinking of the long-game.

If Jade isn't on TV, they're asking "Why isn't she on TV wrestling every week?"
If Jade is on TV, they're asking "Why is she still doing squash matches (after only one singles match, lol)?"
If Jade is in the performance center, they're asking "Why is she still in the PC?"
If Jade isn't in the performance center, they're asking "Why isn't WWE getting her better in the ring?"
The anti-WWE crowd wants to have their cake and eat it too. LOL
 
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The fact that she had a singles squash match and been involved in a trios match where the OTHER women do the heavy lifting is evidence that she hasn't improved. There would be no need to do that if she has improved. An improved wrestler doesn't need training wheels.
And again, that's the difference between AEW and WWE. Maybe she has improved in the ring, maybe she hasn't.
At this point, it doesn't matter.
If she has improved she doesn't need to show off every new move she's learned in her FIRST singles match.
That's what they do in AEW.
Every new talent in AEW feels like they have to put on a "5-star" classic in their debut match no matter who the opponent is.
 
Cats just want anything related to WWE/NXT performance center to fail.

Who's saying that?


Jade has already shared screen time with some of the biggest names in pro wrestling. That alone makes her signing a success.

:lol:



Because she isn't doing to Flippy 25 minute match shit they want to call her WWE run a failure already....


Who's saying that again?


Just like they called the whole Rock/Roman/Cody saga a failure when Rock showed up on Smackdown taking Cody's spot....

At the time it was until THEY FIXED IT!
 
Dude I'm not saying he's Kenny Omega out there I'm just saying he's not as bad as you think.



Every wrestler has their dud matches. Even the greats but Cena has a more respectable catalog of matches than Goldturd.




There's no history to revise. The facts are right there. Whether YOU choose to believe it is on you.

I never said Cena was bad but you talking about him like he’s Daniel Bryan. He was presentation. He was not sold with his wrestling. And you know that. Jade can’t have a Cena type match? Of course she can. She’s had them.

And you getting off track nobody said Cena and Goldberg were the same wrestler. Cena has never carried a match is my point.

And you for sure are revising history because I’ve seen you knock better wrestlers but now Jade can’t wrestle but Cena can is crazy lol.
 
I have no problem with how Jade has been presented in the WWE.
That's the difference between AEW and WWE.
Jade is being presented in WWE as an attraction that you only get to see every now and then.
They're selling her look and presentation and not whether she can have Meltzer wet dream 5-star matches in the ring.
WWE is not going to rush her into the ring like they did in AEW so she can have half hour 'bangers' against girls half her size.
It was a good move to have her partner with Bianca and Naomi so she can learn from them because she's still hella green right now.
Eventually Jade will probably turn on Bianca and that will lead to a program between them.
Yeah I’m confused WWE brought in Jade for a reason and it ain’t her wrestling. The issue for me with her in AEW was she seemed too big for them. She was always destined to be WWE. If they get AEW Jade that’s an asset.
 
And again, that's the difference between AEW and WWE. Maybe she has improved in the ring, maybe she hasn't.
At this point, it doesn't matter.
If she has improved she doesn't need to show off every new move she's learned in her FIRST singles match.
That's what they do in AEW.
Every new talent in AEW feels like they have to put on a "5-star" classic in their debut match no matter who the opponent is.

Why does THAT bother you? They want to make the fans happy and give them a good performance. When did that become a negative?
 
I hear you Brother XXXplosive, But what I'm hearing is that in the 3 matches she had so far and she was in the Performance Center for a while...I heard she didn't got better as a wrestler and you see the same ol same ol Jade!!...You know wrestling fans will get bored and lose interested in a wrestler if they don't preformed good or get better in the ring!!...

Hope she gets better as a westler!!..
What’s wrong with the same old Jade though? In AEW I get it. But same old Jade is not a problem.
 
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Why does THAT bother you? They want to make the fans happy and give them a good performance. When did that become a negative?
Putting on a good match is subjective. Someone who doesn’t like Japanese wrestling might think that’s trash. Are they wrong? Someone who likes Japanese wrestling may hate WWE…but they’re right?
 
Raw was fine for what it was last night.
I think people had unrealistic expectations following WM and were expecting some kind of 'holy shit' moment like an MJF debut.
Every episode of Raw moving forward doesn't have to be the greatest Raw of all time.
I didn’t care for it but realistically it was gonna be a let down it’s like the NFL having the SB and then the next night having a regular season game. So I get it. I just feel it was a typical raw and that’s kind of disappointing and I feel they about to build their program around this dumb ass draft….
 
Why does THAT bother you? They want to make the fans happy and give them a good performance. When did that become a negative?
LOL, it doesn't bother me.
That's just not the way you debut new talent, which is evidenced by AEW's ratings when it comes to their new signings.
It should bother TK, but he's too deep into the IWC mark booking mindset.
 
I never said Cena was bad but you talking about him like he’s Daniel Bryan.

Only In comparison to Goldberg.


He was presentation. He was not sold with his wrestling. And you know that. Jade can’t have a Cena type match? Of course she can. She’s had them.

Squash matches? That's a Goldberg type of match not a Cena type match.


And you getting off track nobody said Cena and Goldberg were the same wrestler. Cena has never carried a match is my point.

And my point is Cena is better than Goldberg in the ring.


And you for sure are revising history because I’ve seen you knock better wrestlers but now Jade can’t wrestle but Cena can is crazy lol.

I said Cena is better in the ring than Jade. That's not revisionist history that's a fact.
 
Yeah I’m confused WWE brought in Jade for a reason and it ain’t her wrestling. The issue for me with her in AEW was she seemed too big for them. She was always destined to be WWE. If they get AEW Jade that’s an asset.
I get it from the hardcore AEW fans' perspective.
Jade is the first homegrown AEW talent to leave for the WWE so she is basically the test subject for how talent is treated in AEW vs. WWE.
So I can understand why the hardcore AEW fans are so invested in how Jade does in WWE.
However, it's clear to me a lot of these same fans want her to "fail" in WWE so they can say: "See the grass isn't greener on the other side!".
 
Only In comparison to Goldberg.




Squash matches? That's a Goldberg type of match not a Cena type match.




And my point is Cena is better than Goldberg in the ring.




I said Cena is better in the ring than Jade. That's not revisionist history that's a fact.
Cena ain’t never had a squash match? He ain’t never had a match end after 3 moves? :lol:

No revisionist history is you pretending like Cena was some technician in the ring lol.
 
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