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Mastermind2002 said:
I don't think she's anti-WWE I just think she wanted to ...

1. Get paid what she feels she's worth.

2. Work with women outside of WWE. NJPW, Stardom, CMILL, AEW.

WWE doesn't play ball with other companies like that and they weren't gonna give her the bag so the smart move was for her to go to AEW. If WWE gave her what she wanted she would be in WWE
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Mastermind2002 said:
I don't think she's anti-WWE I just think she wanted to ...

1. Get paid what she feels she's worth.

2. Work with women outside of WWE. NJPW, Stardom, CMILL, AEW.

WWE doesn't play ball with other companies like that and they weren't gonna give her the bag so the smart move was for her to go to AEW. If WWE gave her what she wanted she would be in WWE right now.
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As a fan I was looking forward to her return to WWE with the increase in woman talent.
Superstars:
Power and Strength: Bianca, Rhea, Jade, Raquel
Bayley, Becky, Charlotte
Up and coming: Tiffany Stratton, Roxanne, Zoey Starks, Liv Morgan
The best Joshis are in WWE, Io, Asuka and Kairi and incoming Guilia.

Other Notable feuds: Naomi, Nia Jax
Future star: Jaida Parker,

Instead she's wrestling against NXT rejects
Toni Storm
Rubi Soho
Britt Baker
Paige,

It actually makes sense she needs the WWE more than the WWE needs Mone.
 
EPDC said:
You mentioned the other day that you preferred the "realness" of NWA/WCW wrasslin versus the cartoony WWF/WWE style.

Ain't nothing "realistic" about Riho pulling off those moves and if she were to do those on a woman the size of Willow, at least make it look believable.

The art of wrestling revolves around making a fight look realistic to the crowd without hurting your opponent.
Yes, there is some suspension of disbelief the audience should play into, but I'd believe Hulk Hogan "hulking up" using the audience (or steroid and cocaine induced) to power him through to victory, over Riho pulling off those moves on Willow.
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I give Riho a pass because despite her being small she works her ass off to deliver good matches and she's generally a kind hearted person. She doesn't deserve the hate she faces online. Is she my favorite Joshi wrestler? Absolutely not! Wouldn't even be in my top 20 but she goes out there, plays the underdog role well and works hard to win over the crowd and for that I'll give her credit.
 
datboi said:
As a fan I was looking forward to her return to WWE with the increase in woman talent.
Superstars:
Power and Strength: Bianca, Rhea, Jade, Raquel
Bayley, Becky, Charlotte
Up and coming: Tiffany Stratton, Roxanne, Zoey Starks, Liv Morgan
The best Joshis are in WWE, Io, Asuka and Kairi and incoming Guilia.

Other Notable feuds: Naomi, Nia Jax
Future star: Jaida Parker,

Instead she's wrestling against NXT rejects
Toni Storm
Rubi Soho
Britt Baker
Paige,

It actually makes sense she needs the WWE more than the WWE needs Mone.
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Jamie Hayter isn't a NXT Reject. Neither is Thunder Rosa, Mariah May, Deonna Purrazzo, Hikaru Shida, Athena, Kris Statlander, Willow Nightingale, Julia Hart, Serena Deeb, Skye Blue, Riho and then you add the Stardom women like Mayu Iwatani, AZM, Mina Shirakawa, Utami Hayashishita, Syuri and the list goes on. She DOESN'T NEED WWE at all. WWE will be fine and AEW/Mercedes will be fine.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
I give Riho a pass because despite her being small she works her ass off to deliver good matches and she's generally a kind hearted person. She doesn't deserve the hate she faces online. Is she my favorite Joshi wrestler? Absolutely not! Wouldn't even be in my top 20 but she goes out there, plays the underdog role well and works hard to win over the crowd and for that I'll give her credit.
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I really don't get it. Don't understand her appeal.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
And that's perfectly fine. She's not gonna appeal to everybody. There's certain wrestlers that don't appeal to me but I'm never going to be against (not saying you are) them making a living.
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Every time I see her face off and defeat a larger wrestler, it makes me think of how silly it would be to see Marko Stunt defeat a larger wrestler.

Would you buy into Marko Stunt pulling those moves off on Keith Lee? Lolz I wouldn't. Which is why I can't ever buy into Riho doing those moves on Willow or Nyla Rose.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
If Mercedes, Ospreay and Okada can't get you over 800,000 viewers then something is wrong.
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I'm not even talking shit....but I think folks are over estimating the reach, draw and importance of Ospreay/Okada and Mercedes.

If what I saw is true regarding Mercedes contract ($10 million a year) and AEW shows don't start producing ratings numbers and ticket sales, then TK is going to look even more like a fool.

If that contract number is true, I'm happy for Mercedes. 801K though? I can't think that number will grow next week. Edge has already shown he isn't a draw in AEW.
 
EPDC said:
I'm not even talking shit....but I think folks are over estimating the reach, draw and importance of Ospreay/Okada and Mercedes.

If what I saw is true regarding Mercedes contract ($10 million a year) and AEW shows don't start producing ratings numbers and ticket sales, then TK is going to look even more like a fool.

If that contract number is true, I'm happy for Mercedes. 801K though? I can't think that number will grow next week. Edge has already shown he isn't a draw in AEW.
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At this point I'm baffled as to why they can't draw for their TV shows. It's weird too because they can draw for their ppvs but can't do it for the tv shows. You put a World championship match on right after Mercedes's debut and the viewership still drops. People essentially turned the channel when your World Champion is wrestling. That's very telling.
 
datboi said:
As a fan I was looking forward to her return to WWE with the increase in woman talent.
Superstars:
Power and Strength: Bianca, Rhea, Jade, Raquel
Bayley, Becky, Charlotte
Up and coming: Tiffany Stratton, Roxanne, Zoey Starks, Liv Morgan
The best Joshis are in WWE, Io, Asuka and Kairi and incoming Guilia.

Other Notable feuds: Naomi, Nia Jax
Future star: Jaida Parker,

Instead she's wrestling against NXT rejects
Toni Storm
Rubi Soho
Britt Baker
Paige,

It actually makes sense she needs the WWE more than the WWE needs Mone.
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Mercedes is a big fish in a small pond in AEW. I wanted her back in WWE, but the move to AEW makes sense for her, financially and career wise.

Looking at that roster, she very well could have gotten lost in the shuffle.
Rhea, Bianca are going to be running the women's. division for years to come, and Tiffany Stratton looks money.

She's already the best (arguably) woman on the AEW roster. TK just needs to book her right, and from the look of it, already, it looks like she isn't even eyeing the top woman's title in AEW.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
At this point I'm baffled as to why they can't draw for their TV shows. It's weird too because they can draw for their ppvs but can't do it for the tv shows. You put a World championship match on right after Mercedes's debut and the viewership still drops. People essentially turned the channel when your World Champion is wrestling. That's very telling.
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It's the booking and the wrestlers they push.

Why should anyone care about Wardlow and Joe? I love Samoa Joe, but no one in their right mind thought Wardlow had a chance.

And seriously, why the hell would you book your champion as the first match of the show yet book Willow Nightingale and Riho as your main event?
Really?

TK needs to lay off the coke.
 
EPDC said:
Mercedes is a big fish in a small pond in AEW. I wanted her back in WWE, but the move to AEW makes sense for her, financially and career wise.

Looking at that roster, she very well could have gotten lost in the shuffle.
Rhea, Bianca are going to be running the women's. division for years to come, and Tiffany Stratton looks money.

She's already the best (arguably) woman on the AEW roster. TK just needs to book her right, and from the look of it, already, it looks like she isn't even eyeing the top woman's title in AEW.
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They're not gonna have her challenging Toni Storm right out the gate. They have to build to that but we'll see what happens next week.
 
EPDC said:
I'm not even talking shit....but I think folks are over estimating the reach, draw and importance of Ospreay/Okada and Mercedes.

If what I saw is true regarding Mercedes contract ($10 million a year) and AEW shows don't start producing ratings numbers and ticket sales, then TK is going to look even more like a fool.

If that contract number is true, I'm happy for Mercedes. 801K though? I can't think that number will grow next week. Edge has already shown he isn't a draw in AEW.
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No way she is making $10 mil a year in AEW. I would honestly be shocked if she was making even half of that.
I like Mercedes/Sasha, but no way she should be making what she's probably getting from TK, but hey, props to her on getting paid.
She's a good performer, but her promos are meh. Even last night, she seemed to get lost in her speech. She needs to be scripted.
She's also injury-prone and I feel like it's just a matter of time before one of these amateurs injures her in the ring.

Was out of town and didn't get a chance to watch Mercedes' AEW debut live but I have no issue with AEW debuting her at the beginning of the show. They did the same for CM Punk and that segment is still the highest rated ever segment of any AEW TV show.
However, that should have been her last appearance until at least next week. Made no sense to bring her back later in the show.

Regarding AEW TV ratings, I had a strong feeling that these recent signings would not move the needle.
While Okada and Ospreay are great in-ring performers they just don't have the draw here in America that they do in Japan.
The fans looking forward to their debuts are already watching AEW every week. They're not pulling in any new fans.
Putting on "bangers" will not draw in more TV viewers, it will just keep your already loyal fans watching and buying PPVs.
 
EPDC said:
It's the booking and the wrestlers they push.

Why should anyone care about Wardlow and Joe? I love Samoa Joe, but no one in their right mind thought Wardlow had a chance.

And seriously, why the hell would you book your champion as the first match of the show yet book Willow Nightingale and Riho as your main event?
Really?

TK needs to lay off the coke.
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Willow and Riho main evented because that's what Mercedes wanted on her debut show. I wouldn't have done it but I'm not the booker.
 
XXXplosive said:
No way she is making $10 mil a year in AEW. I would honestly be shocked if she was making even half of that.
I like Mercedes/Sasha, but no way she should be making what she's probably getting from TK, but hey, props to her on getting paid.
She's a good performer, but her promos are meh. Even last night, she seemed to get lost in her speech. She needs to be scripted.
She's also injury-prone and I feel like it's just a matter of time before one of these amateurs injures her in the ring.

Was out of town and didn't get a chance to watch Mercedes' AEW debut live but I have no issue with AEW debuting her at the beginning of the show. They did the same for CM Punk and that segment is still the highest rated ever segment of any AEW TV show.
However, that should have been her last appearance until at least next week. Made no sense to bring her back later in the show.

Regarding AEW TV ratings, I had a strong feeling that these recent signings would not move the needle.
While Okada and Ospreay are great in-ring performers they just don't have the draw here in America that they do in Japan.
The fans looking forward to their debuts are already watching AEW every week. They're not pulling in any new fans.
Putting on "bangers" will not draw in more TV viewers, it will just keep your already loyal fans watching and buying PPVs.
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The big question going forward is how do you fix the tv shows and get people watching. They can draw for their ppvs but can't draw for their tv shows.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
The big question going forward is how do you fix the tv shows and get people watching. They can draw for their ppvs but can't draw for their tv shows.
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It all starts with story. WWE may have like 38 minutes of actual wrestling on a two hour episode of Smackdown.

People get invested in the story, not "banger" matches.
If AEW started investing in actual storylines that aren't cringeworthy (looking at you Saraya), then perhaps folks will tune into the weekly shows AND the PPVs.

Honestly, your weekly shows should basically be where the storylines happen to sell your PPVs. TK thinks wrestling fans want to see wrestling matches. Most don't, they want to invest in characters (they like) and storylines that are entertaining....
 
EPDC said:
DIdn't they have Deonna Purrazzo have a face-off with Storm? Lolz Deonna over Mercedes?
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Mercedes is in a larger role than Deonna. She's trying to get the whole division on track and has a bigger responsibility. She can challenge and beat Toni at anytime but right now Toni is having a nice run with the belt so let her run with it until her act gets stale.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
Mercedes is in a larger role than Deonna. She's trying to get the whole division on track and has a bigger responsibility. She can challenge and beat Toni at anytime but right now Toni is having a nice run with the belt so let her run with it until her act gets stale.
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Judging by the ratings of their recent shows, her act is beyond stale at this point. I honestly never found that gimmick entertaining. It was fun when she started but it's been corny for quite a few months now.
 
EPDC said:
It all starts with story. WWE may have like 38 minutes of actual wrestling on a two hour episode of Smackdown.

People get invested in the story, not "banger" matches.
If AEW started investing in actual storylines that aren't cringeworthy (looking at you Saraya), then perhaps folks will tune into the weekly shows AND the PPVs.

Honestly, your weekly shows should basically be where the storylines happen to sell your PPVs. TK thinks wrestling fans want to see wrestling matches. Most don't, they want to invest in characters (they like) and storylines that are entertaining....
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AEW has storylines though. It's definitely not all matches. Perhaps this writer they got from WWE will help with the quality of the stories, but they do have stories.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
They're not gonna have her challenging Toni Storm right out the gate. They have to build to that but we'll see what happens next week.
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Why not, when you are considered one of the best woman wrestlers in the world you jump straight to the top. You let Deanna Purazzo and Toni Storm start are program once again two NXT (Darlings) knowing you have Mercedes coming into the company. Instead you put her in a program with indy stars. I would have preferred to have TK bring Athena into AEW take the belt off of Toni. Have Athena issue an Open challenge have Britt Baker Jaime Hayter and Mercedes.
The ratings sucked because you did not draw in new or any of the WWE or NJPW Stardom fans. Bring in MJF have him confront Osprey on the Jumbotron. Have Kenny Omega or Moxley welcome Okada set up future storylines. Where was Swerve and Toni Storm your hottest acts right now. The story telling is weak. Setup a Jay White vs Osprey feud get out of this silly Bullet Club Scissors gang shit.
 
datboi said:
Why not, when you are considered one of the best woman wrestlers in the world you jump straight to the top. You let Deanna Purazzo and Toni Storm start are program once again two NXT (Darlings) knowing you have Mercedes coming into the company. Instead you put her in a program with indy stars. I would have preferred to have TK bring Athena into AEW take the belt off of Toni. Have Athena issue an Open challenge have Britt Baker Jaime Hayter and Mercedes.
The ratings sucked because you did not draw in new or any of the WWE or NJPW Stardom fans. Bring in MJF have him confront Osprey on the Jumbotron. Have Kenny Omega or Moxley welcome Okada set up future storylines. Where was Swerve and Toni Storm your hottest acts right now. The story telling is weak. Setup a Jay White vs Osprey feud get out of this silly Bullet Club Scissors gang shit.
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Toni & Deanna have history, thus a built-in story/feud. Same with Mercedes & Willow. That doesn't do much for more casual fans but that's the logic.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
Shida vs Athena at ROH Supercard Of Honor! It probably won't happen but I wouldn't be against Shida beating Athena and having a nice ROH World Title reign while Athena returns to the AEW Women's division.

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They know that's wrestlemania weekend in Philly right. How many events do they think people can go to.
Plus all of the meet and greets.

Stardom - ECW Arena Thursday
ROH - Friday
Friday Night Smackdown
Hall of Fame Ceremony
NXT - Saturday
Wrestlemania Night 1 - Saturday
Wrestlemania Night 2 - Sunday
Raw - Monday

Various indy shows - Friday
APRIL 5 - )Battleground Championship Wrestling: Born To Die (2300 Arena

APRIL 5 - Battleground Championship Wrestling: A Tribute To The Extreme 2 (2300 Arena)

APRIL 5 - Wrestling REVOLVER & House Of Glory Wrestling (Trinity Center for Urban Life)
 
NightMare Paint said:
Toni & Deanna have history, thus a built-in story/feud. Same with Mercedes & Willow. That doesn't do much for more casual fans but
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NightMare Paint said:
that's the logic.
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I get the logic it's bad there are certain free agent signings that you usurp into the starting line up or in the case of wrestling insert or tease into the title picture. Look at what WWE did with Cody he immediately started a program with Seth Rollins and Brock Lesner and then onto Roman. Sasha/Mercedes is that type of signing. She should be in their with the "pillars" of the women division. Britt, Jaime, Toni, Shida or Athena .
Can the younger or less experienced talent keep up with her. Is she capable of carrying a lesser wrestler?
 
Mastermind2002 said:
Looks like Mercedes didn't move the needle at all despite it being a good show. Guess it wasn't "Big Business" after all.

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EPDC said:
I'm not even talking shit....but I think folks are over estimating the reach, draw and importance of Ospreay/Okada and Mercedes.

If what I saw is true regarding Mercedes contract ($10 million a year) and AEW shows don't start producing ratings numbers and ticket sales, then TK is going to look even more like a fool.

If that contract number is true, I'm happy for Mercedes. 801K though? I can't think that number will grow next week. Edge has already shown he isn't a draw in AEW.
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Honest question.
WTF are TV ratings in 2024?

I had no intention on Earth of watching Mone' debut on live TV simple because I knew that the 'AEW is the future' posters in this thread would keep me knowledgeable on all Mone'/AEW happenings.

Just FYI, for all the AEW posters in this thread. We have one posters who gives a detailed review of the whole show. Other posters who drop 30 second social media clips of all the relevant points from each show.

What incentive do I have to watch the actual 2hr show? AEW fans will give you all the relevant facts in 2 minutes or less.
 

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