There's no good answer to none of this shit. There is nothing HHH can say that will look good in this situation.
THE WRESTLING THREAD: BROCK LESNAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!
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There's no good answer to none of this shit. There is nothing HHH can say that will look good in this situation.
Yeah there's no good answer to give.
We don't even know yet if there is a "victim". Nothing has been proven yet.
Did TK show any empathy at the press scrum last month for the "victim" of Jericho's alleged predatory behavior?
You can call it "WWE cheerleading" if you want, but someone has to balance out your obvious disdain for anything WWE.
I still don't understand why folks like you watch a product that you can't stand.
That's like me watching NJPW or Stardom and complaining about their product because it's not catering to me.
WWE is not going to magically one day completely change the presentation that has worked for them for over 40 years just to appease to the 1% of the audience that are into everything Japanese and indy.
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Agreed, but all the mark bookers like TK would have preferred to just hurry up and give Cody the belt with no thought out plan on what to do next.
We will see....Good luck to her at WWE!!...I hope she gets the success she been looking for at WWE!!...
I heard a podcast speak on how Hollywood handles their television shows and how nowadays for a show you might have to wait a year or two to get another season. Success, Atlanta....all these hit shows. We bitch about it taking forever to come back but we always come back.
He brought up what if this is WWE's thinking. No rush to put a belt on Cody. We are gonna be there in the end. AS opposed to rushing some shit and us getting disinterested. A good booker knows what's best for his product. Don't listen to them damn marks and shit lol.
Rumble was boring. I ain't even gonna cap. It was some cool moments.....
Jade getting to showcase her shit and got a good pop. She so damn bad.......damn. Saw comments she still green...I don't know how you can tell in these rumble matches. Rumbles are all about chemistry and she doesn't have that with those guys yet.
TNA chic...have no idea who she is.....but it was cool to see a TNA champion come on their brand and and not pretend like that person isn't in another brand. They did right by her to. She had a damn good showing.
Like others have said the KO match finish was just stupid and unnecessary. Thought we were passed shit like that.
Haven't been keeping up with Raw lately but I liked what Nia looked like. Just embrace the boos and negativity. Fuck it at this point.
On a blah night...I gotta say when I heard Naomi as coming back...don't get me wrong she always great to look at and good in ring but its just eh. Hope creative does something with her. That being said.....the pop she got to start the match...I don't even know if she expected it but I didn't and damn that was real cool. Well deserved to.
Punk hitting the pedigree and saying I didn't wait 10 years to lose to Dusty's kid was pretty good lol.
Honestly, I think the mens Rumble match was better but I enjoyed the woman's match more for some reason. I guess because we at least got more "surprises" and debuts.
For a boring show....R Truth sure tried to make it as entertaining as possible. He's their comedy gold. At this point is someone writing this shit or is he doing it himself? Because the other comedy stuff for me doesn't go over as well so either he's just great at selling or he's writing his own shit.
Just all night felt like something was missing. Maybe it was Vince clouding the room. Very well could've been that. Maybe it was anticipating more surprises.
Jade getting to showcase her shit and got a good pop. She so damn bad.......damn. Saw comments she still green...I don't know how you can tell in these rumble matches. Rumbles are all about chemistry and she doesn't have that with those guys yet.
TNA chic...have no idea who she is.....but it was cool to see a TNA champion come on their brand and and not pretend like that person isn't in another brand. They did right by her to. She had a damn good showing.
Like others have said the KO match finish was just stupid and unnecessary. Thought we were passed shit like that.
Haven't been keeping up with Raw lately but I liked what Nia looked like. Just embrace the boos and negativity. Fuck it at this point.
On a blah night...I gotta say when I heard Naomi as coming back...don't get me wrong she always great to look at and good in ring but its just eh. Hope creative does something with her. That being said.....the pop she got to start the match...I don't even know if she expected it but I didn't and damn that was real cool. Well deserved to.
Punk hitting the pedigree and saying I didn't wait 10 years to lose to Dusty's kid was pretty good lol.
Honestly, I think the mens Rumble match was better but I enjoyed the woman's match more for some reason. I guess because we at least got more "surprises" and debuts.
For a boring show....R Truth sure tried to make it as entertaining as possible. He's their comedy gold. At this point is someone writing this shit or is he doing it himself? Because the other comedy stuff for me doesn't go over as well so either he's just great at selling or he's writing his own shit.
Just all night felt like something was missing. Maybe it was Vince clouding the room. Very well could've been that. Maybe it was anticipating more surprises.
WWE has made the mistake in the past of rushing the belt onto wrestlers just because a segment of the fans really wanted it.
Names that come to mind are Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, Liv Morgan, etc.
In life, the chase is often more rewarding than the prize itself.
How many times have fans gotten behind a wrestler that was an underdog chasing for the championship and then once they win the championship those same fans stop caring and move on to someone else they want to get behind?
That's why I was fine with Cody not winning at last year's Mania and why I was fine with Sami Zayn not beating Roman last year.
I think R-Truth is doing his own stuff. I can't imagine anyone else writing this stuff. LOL
And even if someone else is writing it you still need to have the timing and delivery to pull it off and he does so perfectly.
That stadium is a dump (it's where they had the "Thunderdome" during the pandemic with no fans) and a lot of times with stadiums (especially older ones) the acoustics are bad and it's hard to properly mic.
The audience often plays a big part in how a show comes off and yeah, it just felt flat the whole night.
Pat McAfee was also getting annoying through the show on commentary.
I think Brock was supposed to return last night but they likely axed that after the news that broke during the week.
Cody gave a better PR answer. I posted it somewhere. Everyone online has been talking about that answer Hunter gave. PR should have something ready for those questions.
IMO, that will always be an issue. Like you said the chase or the pursuit is what grabs the fans, but once we've seen it, we move on. We've seen it time and time again, no matter what the promotion or who the champ is. I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of risk taken by wrestling creative to come up with unique stories or outcomes.
Reading the comments about the rumble. Wrestling fans are turning into Star Wars fans.
The rumble was good. Wrestling in large is in a good spot now as opposed to 2002-2010 era.
Everyone who is complaining about how bad it was, is just a toxic fan.
The rumble was good. Wrestling in large is in a good spot now as opposed to 2002-2010 era.
Everyone who is complaining about how bad it was, is just a toxic fan.
This morning I went back and watched AEW Collision from Saturday Night!!..It was a good show!!...The fight card they had lineup was good!..I like that Eddie Kingston vs Willie Mack match!!...That Danielson vs Yuji Nagata match was good!!...The last match with FTR and Daniel Garcia vs The House of Black in the Cage match was damn good action packed match!!... 
....Cash Wheeler from FTR and Daniel Garcia stole the show and made that match damn good!!.....
It was a good Collision show!!..
....Cash Wheeler from FTR and Daniel Garcia stole the show and made that match damn good!!.....It was a good Collision show!!..
Brother Mastermind2002, if you have time go back and watch it..That Steel Cage Match was damn good!!...
Y'all have to give Priest some time as champion since obviously he'll be cashing in at Mania..
I think from Hunter its just different. He's Vince's son in law. He's running the company now....there is nothing he can say to fix this shit. People gonna scapegoat him because he's the face and Vince ain't nowhere to be found.
You think so?
You not lying.....them title runs be lackluster. Part of it is you put the title on them at the peak then once they get it damn near everything they do afterwards will fail in comparison. I agree on both Sami and Cody. Kofi and Daniel suffered caving into these damn fans.....same fans that was over it a few nights later.
Yeah like i said earlier man the woman's rumble was just better. Didn't have the better wrestling but it did a far better job of telling a story.
Press conferences right after your big PPV isn't the time to show empathy for a victim. Nevermind you'd be admitting to guilt with Vince...you'd then go down a rabbit hole of who else knew which is probably a bunch of top guys in the WWE.
No because the supposed victim never even came forward. The allegations came from hearsay of an disgruntled podcaster tweet. In Vince's case an actual lawsuit has been filed by the victim backed up by the Wall Street Journal.
I watch and offer criticism because I want the product to improve. That goes for ANY promotion. Also no balance is needed. This thread is dominated by WWE marks. If anything I'm the minority in this thread.
It's not about catering to me. Every promotion has its strengths and weaknesses and no promotion is above ccriticism. Every promotion should be striving to get better.
Formulas change all the time. Is WWE the same as it was in the 80's or 90's? Of course not. There's always room for improvement. Just yesterday we were talking about the change in their presentation from Kevin Dunn's film style to a more sports based. Formulas change.
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Here's my (unpopular) opinions about the rumble and what happens moving forward:
1) They are obviously putting the belt on Cody Rhodes, although I'm not personally a fan of the goody two shoes all American white boi gimmick, he's on the cover of their new video game, and the fanboys who had a hissy fit about him losing last year weren't going to shut up unless WWE "righted that wrong" in their opinion. I think it would be hilarious if Roman retained again, storyline wise, not sure what else there is to do with him and the belt at this point...he doesn't technically need it I guess now that he's broken the 1K threshold
2) Damian Priest is in danger of losing all of that MitB momentum he had built up, all of his cash ins have been thwarted for dumb reasons and he really has no main feud going on, they are building up this Rollins and CM Punk thing on Raw and obviously he wasn't going to cash in on Roman, so what now? The Judgement Day is becoming a joke group with all the R Truth stuff and Rhea has displaced him as the defacto leader. If he doesn't successfully cash in on Corny Rhodes after WM, that would be a huge miss and he would go down the almost can do it but not quite mid card route that Drew McIntyre is on now
3) the belt Seth Rollins has is dumb and his reign is highly forgettable, I'm not even sure what his character is supposed to be, his wife is called The Man, what is he? A fashionista with a song the crowd chants to? Imo Shushinske should have beaten him at least once in their feud to make the reign somewhat credible as this everyman's belt they are selling it as. Corny Rhodes has been on Raw this whole time and not once cared one iota about challenging Rollins for the so called World Heavyweight belt, I guess that don't count towards finishing his little story...
4) Solo has done jackshit since murdering Cena last year, they made him look like an unstoppable Umaga type clone, but all he does is wear hoods and pulls refs outta Roman matches. They basically turned him and Jimmy into Bebop and Rocksteady to Roman's Shredder with Heyman looking overseeing the operation as Krang. I'm sure he will eventually turn on Roman before WM so that they can give Corny Rhodes an easier path to the belt, but he's mostly doing nothing
5) why do they call Jey Uso, Main Event Uso when he hasn't won a single thing as a solo act away from the Bloodline? His entrance and the crowd reaction is the best thing about him at this point, you gotta have him win a singles title at some point I believe
6) CM Punk is obviously going to feud with Rhodes, but I see him winning EC so they can set up him main eventing night 1 of WM against Rollins
7) Gunther's IC title reign is losing steam now that he's broken Honky Tonk's record, his feuds have been mid going against people with no chance of beating him like Miz, Gable, and now Kofi Kingston.
8) Sami Zayn is overrated, at least in the Bloodline he had a storyline with some purpose, now he's just out there running around like what Russell Westbrook said about Pat Beverly
9) Jade Cargill... wow, props. I think she will feud with Nia Jax before they setup the Bianca thing, they will wait a year or 2 before they come back to that because WWE loves to tease things and slow play every single interesting angle now
10) what happens to Roman if he loses at WM? I think he'll still show up every now and again and keep something going on with remnants of the Bloodline angle, but not sure who his next feud would be with
1) They are obviously putting the belt on Cody Rhodes, although I'm not personally a fan of the goody two shoes all American white boi gimmick, he's on the cover of their new video game, and the fanboys who had a hissy fit about him losing last year weren't going to shut up unless WWE "righted that wrong" in their opinion. I think it would be hilarious if Roman retained again, storyline wise, not sure what else there is to do with him and the belt at this point...he doesn't technically need it I guess now that he's broken the 1K threshold
2) Damian Priest is in danger of losing all of that MitB momentum he had built up, all of his cash ins have been thwarted for dumb reasons and he really has no main feud going on, they are building up this Rollins and CM Punk thing on Raw and obviously he wasn't going to cash in on Roman, so what now? The Judgement Day is becoming a joke group with all the R Truth stuff and Rhea has displaced him as the defacto leader. If he doesn't successfully cash in on Corny Rhodes after WM, that would be a huge miss and he would go down the almost can do it but not quite mid card route that Drew McIntyre is on now
3) the belt Seth Rollins has is dumb and his reign is highly forgettable, I'm not even sure what his character is supposed to be, his wife is called The Man, what is he? A fashionista with a song the crowd chants to? Imo Shushinske should have beaten him at least once in their feud to make the reign somewhat credible as this everyman's belt they are selling it as. Corny Rhodes has been on Raw this whole time and not once cared one iota about challenging Rollins for the so called World Heavyweight belt, I guess that don't count towards finishing his little story...
4) Solo has done jackshit since murdering Cena last year, they made him look like an unstoppable Umaga type clone, but all he does is wear hoods and pulls refs outta Roman matches. They basically turned him and Jimmy into Bebop and Rocksteady to Roman's Shredder with Heyman looking overseeing the operation as Krang. I'm sure he will eventually turn on Roman before WM so that they can give Corny Rhodes an easier path to the belt, but he's mostly doing nothing
5) why do they call Jey Uso, Main Event Uso when he hasn't won a single thing as a solo act away from the Bloodline? His entrance and the crowd reaction is the best thing about him at this point, you gotta have him win a singles title at some point I believe
6) CM Punk is obviously going to feud with Rhodes, but I see him winning EC so they can set up him main eventing night 1 of WM against Rollins
7) Gunther's IC title reign is losing steam now that he's broken Honky Tonk's record, his feuds have been mid going against people with no chance of beating him like Miz, Gable, and now Kofi Kingston.
8) Sami Zayn is overrated, at least in the Bloodline he had a storyline with some purpose, now he's just out there running around like what Russell Westbrook said about Pat Beverly
9) Jade Cargill... wow, props. I think she will feud with Nia Jax before they setup the Bianca thing, they will wait a year or 2 before they come back to that because WWE loves to tease things and slow play every single interesting angle now
10) what happens to Roman if he loses at WM? I think he'll still show up every now and again and keep something going on with remnants of the Bloodline angle, but not sure who his next feud would be with
Actually, no. Formulas for successful companies do not "change all the time".
Coke tried to change their formula in the 80s to 'New Coke' and we all know how that went.
WWE has always catered to what you refer to as the "casuals" and a younger demographic.
They did so in the 80s, most of the 90s and for the past 20+ years.
The only time the WWE ever pivoted and catered towards an older demographic was during the Attitude Era (which only lasted about 3-4 years) and that was out of necessity as a result of WCW kicking their ass in the ratings.
While the presentation and style of wrestling may change over time, just like anything else in society, the formula always stays the same.
It made sense to give Cody the belt but they had some plan with what to do next with The Bloodline and Roman needed to be champion for it to happen. Quite frankly it was better than what was likely to happen with Cody as champion.
Whether Cody wins or not we'll see then us "WWE marks" can ponder whether we like it or not and whether his title run is any good as well.
Great takes. I agree with pretty much everything you said. Spot on.
So Solo is essentially cloning Umaga. For all of his dominance Umaga always lost the big match. Did he even have a Cena type dominant win on his resume?
As for Sami he's been injured for the last month or so and since losing the tag belt he's been spinning his heels kind of like every other mid carder in the company from Jey on. Their main eventers are pretty much set and the top of the roster added CM Punk and Randy Orton. Them along with them keeping Drew in the mix and Damien Priest on the outskirts since he has the MITB is going to keep Sami from elevating. And quite frankly he and Kevin Owens reign as tag champs was lackluster.
That's what I was getting at....regardless of if he's doing it himself or not you still gotta do it its all him really I was just curious why their other comedy shit doesn't hit as often as his stuff does if its all the same writer lol.
I've heard others speak on the acoustics of that stadium. Teh reactions didn't match the noise so yeah very well could've been. Shit can kill a show.
R-Truth for the Judgement Day is what Sami was for The Bloodline. The pop R-Truth is getting is insane. Shoot he could bring back “Little Jimmy” gimmick and it would go over better than before. Instead I would make it “Little Damian” (Judgement Day version)
R-Truth is finally getting his shine. I’m just happy for him after all the years he’s been in the game.
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