Mos Def on Drake: “It’s……‘mall’……music”
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Such a fire record
i like that mos def tried to choose his words carefully lol. just listening to the video it took me back to common's "i used to love her" and listening to gansta rappers criticizing regular rappers saying they ain't rappers cause they ain't hard. ....lol. bottom line rap/hip hop is universal and i love the fact that all kinds of artists with different styles can flow on a beat. drake has a bunch of styles. bottom line people can sing and relate to a lot of his songs.
While I agree with Mos, anyone ever notice that Alice Cooper never talks shyt about Green Day? Or Metalica doesn't say that about Cold Play. Linkin Park doesn't talk about how Lynrd Skynrd ain't making money anymore. Talk like this only seems to be saved for rappers.
well Alice is 40 year old stadium rock and GreenDay is studio produced industry "punk" like "Hot Topic" ;Mettallica is 90s Metal who were over 10 to 15 years ahead of Cold Play which is Pop music not rock and certainly not Metal. Lynard Skynard is HIllbilly 70s rock that no one under 60 finds relevant
everyone of those groups you listed has a vastly different audience--- people from a Green Day would never goto a Cold Pay show and none of either of those audiences would be the least bit interested in Lynard or Mettalica ...bruh you picked a bunch of wildly divergent era groups to try to make a point
Man gave his opinon when asked about the path that hip hop is on - and he is right - Drake is industry pap....and not his flavor.
Are you gonna see the same people at a Drake versus Mos Def show? I chose who I chose for a reason. The audiences are different, but they never get pitted against each other, but they'll be consumed in the same spaces. Based on your name I am going to assume that you're old enough to remember CD's in stores. Everyone I mentioned is under Rock, whether it is Alternative, Metal or Classic. Rolling Stone magazine will do a article on Metalica, Green Day, Black Sabbath, Cold Play etc... Source...they MIGHT do an article on Mos due to what was said here, but most of their magazines the artist that they cover will consist of Drakes peers. There isn't a Hip-Hop category with sub-categories of Club/Strip Club Hip-Hop, POP Hip-Hop, Underground Hip-Hop, Classic Hip-Hop or "Industry" Hip-Hop. Why is Mos Def being asked about Drake? You said yourself that the audiences are vastly different, the same can be said here. Forget the age gap between a Drake fan (18-34) and a Mos Def fan (35-40+) they aren't in the same "category". Someone 45 years old ain't watching a DJ Akedemicks so why is he talking about older Rappers? His audience more than likely won't know who he is talking about.
So different "category" of Hip-Hop, different age group of fans, so I will ask again. Why doesn't Alice Cooper ever get asked about Green Day? Or Metalica about Cold Play. Linkin Park doesn't talk about how Lynrd Skynrd ain't making money anymore. A 1:1 comparisons is not what is being done here.
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nah b.
jazz is universal but not blues
certain cultures genres will never be universal
yes rap is universal but not hip hop
RAP is something you do, HIP-HOP is something you live!
Drake and Mos music are much much closer to each other in sub genre and eras than your choices
in any case Mos didn't say Drake isn't hip hop - just very commercial - this is the same critique that was leveled by rock artists against acts like Bon Jovi and other hair bands back in the 80s 90s
outlaw country sent the same shots at country acts that went pop
Metallica caught shit from other bands over songs that are considered smash hits now
btw imo Linkin Park is not metal not rock not hiphop - I classify on a song by song basis - fairest description of the band is a fusion of of the genres
or a way better evolution of Limp Biskit
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Was that fans who had bands or actual bands? I was genuinely ?uestioning if that happens or not.
"Nice for What" turn the mall to a club.
Wait wait wait...
Isn't that EXACTLY what he said?
The woman asked is Drake hip hip.
Yasiin said Drake is pop.
There aren't sub genres, they are all classified as Hip-Hop/Rap
Also I am going based off of classifications that they were put into back in music stores. Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit was Rock/Alternative
Sidebar...
I wonder if Mos Def considers Hammer hip hop?
And Pitbull? And Flo Rida? Nelly?
I wonder if Mos Def considers Hammer hip hop?
And Pitbull? And Flo Rida? Nelly?
True
Grammy nominations were rock and hard rock and alternative
But then Rap for the Jay Z stuff.
Pitbull and Florida are Pop. Nelly is R&B.
I can dig this take.
iirc Metallica was one of the shooters at White Sake or Guns
Motley was shooting too
and fucking David Lee Roth?
oh yeah U2 used to catch strays too
today rap is pop
especially to brooklyn rappers that were in ciphers with boot camp click pre 93
I agree. Most definitely
But Yasiin said its not
Word to Q tip.
But I don't agree with Bey on this one.
I UNDERSTAND his overall point though from HIS PERSPECTIVE. But I just don't agree and waa playing black on both sides just this weekend.
don't get confused by sales charts
just think how many subs r&b covers that weren't individually charted -soul neo-soul funk new jack swing etc
no different than gansta, drill, boom bap, emo , trap, conscience etc
sales charts again
there are a bunch of crips ready to educate Mos if he says no
At one point pitbull and Flo Rida used to rap rap
I performed at the same event as Flo Rida before he was famous
Now he's a millionaire and I'm here on the toilet typing this shit out
They just mad cause Hammer used to get their grannies panties wet!!!
LOL Hammer had niggas pull up on Ice Cube in the Roscoe’s Parking lot after the Stay true to the game video diss and made Cube piss his pants. Literally
WE have sub-genres/categories. The industry not so much. I am also talking about how our music is consumed. Rolling Stone will cover ALL genres of Rock (also the occasional rapper) The Source not so much.
Please Hanmer don't hurt em bars
That's why I mentioned them both specifically
Their hip hop credentials are solid.
But most aren't aware or care.
Are they "not hip hop" because they sell out arenas, go platinum in an Era where that is near impossible and have earned generational wealth and international recognition?
MC Serch and Redman both found out up close and personal not to mess with dem Burrell boys
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