I mean it's based on a true story.
Blacks never were exploited in this way because we weren't given the means (funds) and opportunity to be ....
We were just used as free labor which was exploitative enough.
New Movie: Killers of the Flower Moon dir Martin Scorsese
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I mean it's based on a true story.
Blacks never were exploited in this way because we weren't given the means (funds) and opportunity to be ....
We were just used as free labor which was exploitative enough.
So , who is going to tell it ? Tyler , Winfrey, JZ.. .Will Smith ? I think this is just to spark interest. Then find some true history.
The whole time I was watching it I was imagining what real-life inspired incident they could use to make a similar movie to this about black people. I was thinking maybe bad land contracts, or redlining.
How an Oil Theft Investigation Laid the Groundwork for the Koch Playbook
In the late 1980s, Charles Koch faced a federal probe, rallied all of his resources to fight it off and came away with lessons that would guide the Kochs for decades.
By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD
July 22, 2019
www.politico.com
In the late 1980s, Charles Koch faced a federal probe, rallied all of his resources to fight it off and came away with lessons that would guide the Kochs for decades.
By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD
July 22, 2019
How an Oil Theft Investigation Laid the Groundwork for the Koch Playbook
In the late 1980s, Charles Koch faced a federal probe, rallied all of his resources to fight it off and came away with lessons that would guide the Kochs for decades.
www.politico.com
Until They Killed Them…100 Crucial Seconds of A Story Buried
In the 1920s, after discovery of the massive oil field on the Osage Reservation, the US government took away the Osage’s right to their wealth, instead appointing a white Guardian for each Osage to “protect” their money.
by Greg Palast
September 11, 2023
www.gregpalast.com
In the 1920s, after discovery of the massive oil field on the Osage Reservation, the US government took away the Osage’s right to their wealth, instead appointing a white Guardian for each Osage to “protect” their money.
by Greg Palast
September 11, 2023
The Osage of Oklahoma were the richest people on the planet
Until they killed them. For their oil.
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LONG KNIFE
Osage Oil and the New Trail of Tears
palastinvestigativefund.org
The film Killers of the Flower Moon, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, tells the story of the killing of the Osage for their oil in the 1920s. Palast’s new documentary Long Knife will reveal the untold story of the 100 years since–centering on the billion-dollar theft of oil from the Osage by Charles Koch and Koch Oil.
Long Knife begins with the armed showdown between Koch goons and the FBI and continues through to the poisoning of Osage land by fracking and the Kochs’ new climate-denial dark money machine. Filmed on the Osage Reservation, Oklahoma.
Story by investigative reporter Greg Palast (who first broke the Koch story nearly 3 decades ago)
Osage Oil and the New Trail of Tears
Long Knife - Osage Oil and the New Trail of Tears
Osage leaders want their story told—as part of their current campaign to take back sovereignty over their own land.
palastinvestigativefund.org
The film Killers of the Flower Moon, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, tells the story of the killing of the Osage for their oil in the 1920s. Palast’s new documentary Long Knife will reveal the untold story of the 100 years since–centering on the billion-dollar theft of oil from the Osage by Charles Koch and Koch Oil.
Long Knife begins with the armed showdown between Koch goons and the FBI and continues through to the poisoning of Osage land by fracking and the Kochs’ new climate-denial dark money machine. Filmed on the Osage Reservation, Oklahoma.
Story by investigative reporter Greg Palast (who first broke the Koch story nearly 3 decades ago)
Osage Nation to get settlement share Lawsuit claimed company illegally obtained tribal oil
The Oklahoman
June 21, 2001
TULSA - The Osage Nation is expected to share in a $25 million settlement reached in an oil-buying case between Bill Koch and Wichita, Kan.-based Koch Industries.
The amount has not been determined, but the Osage "quite likely" will receive a portion of the settlement, said Stephanie Hanna, a Department of Interior spokeswoman.
"Ultimately, the Osage Nation can expect to get some distribution," Hanna said.
Koch Industries could have been required to pay as much as $214 million after a federal jury in Tulsa found in 1999 that it deliberately cheated oil producers on federal and Indian lands.
The $25 million settlement was approved last month by the Department of Justice and a federal judge in Tulsa.
About 44 percent of the oil leases involved in the case were on tribal land in Osage County. Osage Nation shareholders receive royalty payments on oil production from tribal lands.
The tribe never joined in the lawsuit filed by Bill Koch on behalf of the federal government. But because the government will get about $17 million of the settlement, the Interior Department plans to issue a "proper allocation" to the tribe, Hanna said.
Bill Koch sued under the federal False Claims Act, which allows him to receive 30 percent of any award. His share is more than $7 million.
Bill Koch is the younger brother of Charles Koch, Koch Industries' chief executive. He has said the settlement marks the end of a long-standing legal battle over the family business.
In the Tulsa case, Koch Industries admitted it received about $170 million in oil it did not pay for. But the company contended that amount represented a fraction of the oil it collected from federal and American Indian lands between 1985 and 1989 and fell within industry standards.
William “Bill” Koch
The Oklahoman
June 21, 2001
Osage Nation to get settlement share Lawsuit claimed company illegally obtained tribal oil
TULSA - The Osage Nation is expected to share in a $25 million settlement reached in an oil-buying case between Bill Koch and Wichita, Kan.-based Koch Industries. The amount has not been determined, …
www.oklahoman.com
TULSA - The Osage Nation is expected to share in a $25 million settlement reached in an oil-buying case between Bill Koch and Wichita, Kan.-based Koch Industries.
The amount has not been determined, but the Osage "quite likely" will receive a portion of the settlement, said Stephanie Hanna, a Department of Interior spokeswoman.
"Ultimately, the Osage Nation can expect to get some distribution," Hanna said.
Koch Industries could have been required to pay as much as $214 million after a federal jury in Tulsa found in 1999 that it deliberately cheated oil producers on federal and Indian lands.
The $25 million settlement was approved last month by the Department of Justice and a federal judge in Tulsa.
About 44 percent of the oil leases involved in the case were on tribal land in Osage County. Osage Nation shareholders receive royalty payments on oil production from tribal lands.
The tribe never joined in the lawsuit filed by Bill Koch on behalf of the federal government. But because the government will get about $17 million of the settlement, the Interior Department plans to issue a "proper allocation" to the tribe, Hanna said.
Bill Koch sued under the federal False Claims Act, which allows him to receive 30 percent of any award. His share is more than $7 million.
Bill Koch is the younger brother of Charles Koch, Koch Industries' chief executive. He has said the settlement marks the end of a long-standing legal battle over the family business.
In the Tulsa case, Koch Industries admitted it received about $170 million in oil it did not pay for. But the company contended that amount represented a fraction of the oil it collected from federal and American Indian lands between 1985 and 1989 and fell within industry standards.
William “Bill” Koch
'Reservation Dogs' star Devery Jacobs slams 'Killers of the Flower Moon'
'Reservation Dogs' star Devery Jacobs slams 'Killers of the Flower Moon' for being 'f---king hellfire' that 'dehumanizes our people.'ew.com
Former Osage Chief and grandson of one of the victims depicted in the book/movie saw the flick in May and gave it rave reviews....so much so, his pinned Xs are still up top today (the entire thread is worth a read)
So yeah people are not a monolith..... but if a former chief and current chief gave it their blessing..........who are I to complain?
‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Intermission Violations: Apple, Paramount Crack Down on Handful of Theaters Breaking Agreement
A handful of theaters have added an intermission to Martin Scorsese's 'Killers of the Flower Moon,' as Apple and Paramount crack down on contract violations.
variety.com
I just saw this movie and a feeling I had is if Black people were given reparations I wonder if they would try that appointing guardians bullshit with us like they did the Osage.
‘Avengers’ Director Joe Russo Touts Box Office Over Oscars in Playful Jab at Martin Scorsese; Film Community Sounds Off: ‘Rich A–hole Hack’
Joe Russo took aim at Martin Scorsese in a playful video that's widely being mocked online.
variety.com
Martin Scorsese defends Brendan Fraser's 'Killers of the Flower Moon' performance: 'It was perfect'
Martin Scorsese is defending 'Killers of the Flower Moon' actor Brendan Fraser, calling his performance 'perfect.'
'Killers of the Flower Moon' author David Grann on the film's message: 'This is still living history'
'Killers of the Flower Moon' author David Grann breaks down the differences between his book and Martin Scorsese's film — and the still lingering effects of the Osage reign of terror.
'Killers of the Flower Moon' star Lily Gladstone shares message of support for Native viewers
'Killers of the Flower Moon' star Lily Gladstone is sharing a message of support for Indigenous audiences, encouraging them to watch the Martin Scorsese epic "when and only if you feel ready."
Leonardo DiCaprio and Lily Gladstone on the 'grand betrayal' in Killers of the Flower Moon
Leonardo DiCaprio and Lily Gladstone break down their 'twisted, bizarre love story' in 'Killers of the Flower Moon' — and the 'almost telepathic shorthand' between Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro.
Inside Robert De Niro’s Gotham Awards Speech Debacle (EXCLUSIVE)
Apple employees removed Trump criticism from Robert De Niro's Gotham speech at request of the 'Killers of the Flower Moon' filmmaking team.
variety.com
New York Film Critics Awards: ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ Wins Best Film, Christopher Nolan Takes Director (Full List)
The New York Film Critics Circle are announcing its awards for best films and performances for 2023.
variety.com
Just saw this, cause it dropped in the usual places.
Didn't even know this story or history existed that the Indians were so oil rich. Learn something new everyday
Good movie about the another evil these devils did on these lands...
Have a feeling many CAC's are not gonna like this, it's not a feel good movie about them saving the day.
Didn't even know this story or history existed that the Indians were so oil rich. Learn something new everyday
Good movie about the another evil these devils did on these lands...
Have a feeling many CAC's are not gonna like this, it's not a feel good movie about them saving the day.
You know this is a true story, right?
‘Killers of the Flower Moon’: Lily Gladstone’s Devastating Scream Scene Came Together in 15 Minutes
Lily Gladstone's devastating scream scene in 'Killers of the Flower Moon' came together in just 15 minutes.
variety.com
this story is intertwined with the story of freed slaves also given land in OK
then oil was discovered
its the precursor to Black Wall St thats usually left out of the story
I read the book years ago... can't watch the movie.
Don't want to go off topic (somewhat on it) but over time, I have read more and more that a vast majority of black people were already here long before slavery. Like this land was originally native to blacks and other natives were Indians. The whole slaves being "all" brought from Africa is one big myth.
So a lot of history is twisted wherein we are originally owed this land. Long before slavery and European settlers.
history gets distorted on purpose by oppressors / colonizers
free and indentured black people came here from Europe and Africa before the slave trade
the Africans that saved Jamestown were freemen
the Africans that taught Europeans how to grow rice in the Carolinas and Georgia were not slaves
much later - freemen were initially given land by the US govt in the Oklahoma territory along with Indians
then after the civil war is when former slaves were also given land in that territory
I was ready to turn it off after about 35 minutes because it was so uninteresting, but I was too intrigued by the film to give up, and I'm fortunate I did.
I always learn something new just when I thought white people could not possibly get any more horrible.
I always learn something new just when I thought white people could not possibly get any more horrible.
Me and everybody who watched this on my Plex had to take a damn intermission break. But it was damn decent.
Yesterday, I was watching Jeopardy with my mother. 2 white males and a white female are contestants. They are hitting the buzzer on every damn answer on every damn category. Then, they show a picture of Bass Reeves. "It is rumored that the Lone Ranger is based off of this Marshal, who had more arrests than any Marshal in history". All 3 of them sit there dead silent. I'm ashamed to say even my mother didn't know. Before he even finished the answer I blurted out " Who is Bass Reeves??? " And he was from our own damn home state.
I remember telling my cousin about the Tulsa massacre, he called me a liar. We were living in Tulsa at the time going to aeronautics and welding school. He really believed if they didn't teach us something in Social Studies or History class, it didn't happen. He didn't know about the Elaine Massacre of 1919 that happened right here, and didn't believe me until I told his 90+ year old grandfather to tell him about it, because he was alive when it happened. I remember having to take History in 12th grade to fill an elective, and getting pissed because they were telling us the same shit they told me in the 7th grade. I quit fucking going to the class, it was a waste of time, and they knew it, they didn't even argue with me about it. I see why my grandmother always drilled in me how to think for myself and teach myself, she knew what was going on down here.
I finally watched it. had to finish the final hour this morning.
My feelings on the film are Like/Hate.
Lilly Gladstone and the other Indigenous Actresses were awesome.
Especially great to see Tattoo Cardinal.
Loved Her since "WHERE THE RIVERS FLOW NORTH".
DiCaprio, DeNiro and the male actors came off way too cartoonish for Me.
Especially DiCaprio.
Coming off like Billy Bob Thorton from "SLING BLADE" and shit.
I found him totally off-putting and even annoying.
And like someone else here stated,
I was initially about to give up on it.
But I found it so enthralling that I stayed with it.
Given that I read books on the story years ago.
Native Brother that worked at an Oregon Radio station hipped Me to it.
So I was interested in seeing how it would be depicted.
The Production and Music (R.I.P. Robbie Robertson) were on point.
But I got that patronizing feeling from the film too.
Like Scorcese and Co. felt they were doing Native Folks a "favor" by telling this story.
WE know how that usually works out for Actors outside of WHITE in Hollywood
And given the violent history,
I just had a hard time believing that The Osage (among other Tribes) were so simple and naive to White Men's evil mentality.
The depiction of the various killings of Osages coming off cartoony at times.
Hence My Mixed Feelings.
My feelings on the film are Like/Hate.
Lilly Gladstone and the other Indigenous Actresses were awesome.
Especially great to see Tattoo Cardinal.
Loved Her since "WHERE THE RIVERS FLOW NORTH".
DiCaprio, DeNiro and the male actors came off way too cartoonish for Me.
Especially DiCaprio.
Coming off like Billy Bob Thorton from "SLING BLADE" and shit.
I found him totally off-putting and even annoying.
And like someone else here stated,
I was initially about to give up on it.
But I found it so enthralling that I stayed with it.
Given that I read books on the story years ago.
Native Brother that worked at an Oregon Radio station hipped Me to it.
So I was interested in seeing how it would be depicted.
The Production and Music (R.I.P. Robbie Robertson) were on point.
But I got that patronizing feeling from the film too.
Like Scorcese and Co. felt they were doing Native Folks a "favor" by telling this story.
WE know how that usually works out for Actors outside of WHITE in Hollywood
And given the violent history,
I just had a hard time believing that The Osage (among other Tribes) were so simple and naive to White Men's evil mentality.
The depiction of the various killings of Osages coming off cartoony at times.
Hence My Mixed Feelings.
Other than the fact that WE were trying our Damnedest to be as far away from White People as possible.
Because WE knew how absolutely sick they were with their Racism.
And they still couldn't leave US alone.
Even in 2023 they won't leave us alone
In the early 20th century, oil was discovered in Tulsa, much of it on land owned by indigenous and Black people. Then, Oklahoma passed a law that allowed white settlers to seize control of the land by appointing white “guardians” to children whose land struck oil. “We’re talking about millions and millions of dollars,” says Raven Majia Williams, a descendant of survivor AJ Smitherman. “And not in today’s money; in THAT day’s money.”
Scorcese truly suffers from white man's disease
felt like an attempt to brush past how barbaric and inept those crackers were
'Killers of the Flower Moon' star Lily Gladstone says using she/they pronouns is 'a way of decolonizing gender'
'Killers of the Flower Moon' star Lily Gladstone says that using she/they pronouns is partly 'a way of decolonizing gender for myself.'
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