Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks. UPDATE: Israel Ends Ceasefire, Begins Bombing Gaza
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Man this is interesting….. so many moving parts….
It’s like everyone have a little say so in this matter
"Israel, the West owes you a lot, and Turkey does not," Erdogan
Turkish President and Chairman of the AK Party, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, made this announcement during a meeting of his party's group in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey.
Key points on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict:
Visits by high-ranking Turkish officials to Israel have been canceled.
Turkey protests against Israel's policies in the Gaza sector.
"Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is a group of mujahideen fighting for the protection of their land!" - Turkish President.
The USA, together with Israel, will lose because they stand against the establishment of justice, and justifying attacks is a legacy of the West's bloody history.
Turkey intends to continue sending humanitarian aid to the Gaza sector, which is under attack by Israel, and the border crossing at "Rafah" should be opened.
It’s like everyone have a little say so in this matter
"Israel, the West owes you a lot, and Turkey does not," Erdogan
Turkish President and Chairman of the AK Party, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, made this announcement during a meeting of his party's group in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey.
Key points on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict:
Visits by high-ranking Turkish officials to Israel have been canceled.Turkey protests against Israel's policies in the Gaza sector."Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is a group of mujahideen fighting for the protection of their land!" - Turkish President.
The USA, together with Israel, will lose because they stand against the establishment of justice, and justifying attacks is a legacy of the West's bloody history. Turkey intends to continue sending humanitarian aid to the Gaza sector, which is under attack by Israel, and the border crossing at "Rafah" should be opened.
"Israel, the West owes you a lot, and Turkey does not," Erdogan
"Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is a group of mujahideen fighting for the protection of their land!" - Turkish President.
Strong words from the Turkish President. Someone has to say it.
Same old shit, one side calls them freedom fighters and the other side calls them terrorists.
At the end of the day Hamas is part of the problem the same way Bibi is part of the problem. They both want to exterminate the other side. Peace will never be achieved with either of them still at the table. They both need to go.
When did Hamas say they wanted to exterminate Israelis?
So you mean to tell me these Hamas fools is actually from that land.
They’re not foreigners from another planet.
It’s not a case of going there, to cause trouble like folks making them out to be
I didn't say exterminate Israelis. Just like I'm not saying Bibi wants to exterminate all Palestinians. I said the other side. Meaning politically. It is in their charter. They do not want one secular country. They do not want 2 states. They do not want to negotiate borders. It's all or nothing with Islamic state and all Palestinian land. There is no peace possible with this outlook.
If you see a way to peace with Hamas pls let me know. To me they got to go.
These folks don’t miss a chance to throw shots at each other
Maria Zakharova shares her thoughts on Antony Blinken begging the the Qatari government over Al-Jazeera:
"Blinken asked the Qatari prime minister to influence the Al-Jazeera TV channel so that it would “soften the rhetoric” about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, Axios writes, citing sources. The American Secretary of State asked to “reduce the volume of the reports,” since they are allegedly full of incitement against Israel, the publication notes."
"And after this, Blinken will say that Gershkovich could not work for American intelligence agencies because it is prohibited by US law? Censorship is also prohibited by law, but this does not bother Blinken, as we see.
When, I wonder, will Blinken turn to the US President with a request to influence CNN and “lower the volume of reporting,” for example, on Ukraine?"
Corey Gil-Schuster is an American Jew who travels through Israel, speaking with Israeli’s & Palestinians and asks them questions submitted by subscribers.
Here’s a video where he asks a question submitted by Abdi, in the UK on whether Palestinians would marry or allow their children to marry someone Black.
And raw for the last chick in this video:
Here’s a video where he asks a question submitted by Abdi, in the UK on whether Palestinians would marry or allow their children to marry someone Black.
And raw for the last chick in this video:
Raw that mouf
Hopefully, they unite and get leadership that wants peace. I do believe both people want to be able to love in peace. But they gotta start somewhere. Both sides have to change their leadership.
I don't think Hamas is particularly the answer, but there's no comparison to Bibi and his crew calling Palestinians animals and targeting civilians in hospitals and churches. He's literally exterminating them. Telling civilians "leave in 24 hours or I'll kill you". If Hamas leaves, apartheid against the Palestinians would still continue with or without Hamas being there.
There is no comparison to scale, but to say there no comparison to targeting civilians in hospitals and churches vs going door to door and exterminating them in their homes is disingenius.
I mean throwing a grenade in a shelter so you can shoot the civilian when he runs out is the same level of brutality.
This was my next question, How long have Hamas been around vs how long the conflict between Jews and Muslims been going on(I’m trying to see something)?
You use the the word disingenuous in the same sentence that you are making a disingenuous comment. I'm not going to bother responding to this.
Bruh Hamas just did target civilians everywhere they found them in that attack. That's literally all they targeted and shot them on sight. Shot people trying to run away from them. Didn't you see the videos? Except for the ones they took hostage, which by the way how do you end up with 80 year old hostages? They kidnapped the most vulnerable and weak while they shot all the able bodied.
Arguing the moral high ground here is endless and useless.
Bibi and Hamas both were never going to bring peace to their people.
Well that answered that one question
My next question is how many folks been killed in each side before October…
This answer will likely put me in a better spot understanding the issues…
The above answer did a lot
He's blinded by his own politics.
In his eyes, everything Hamas has done is justified because he believes in their cause.
That's literally all they targeted? Yeah ok. Your source must be the Israel Times. That "both sides" bs you guys try to pull would be believable if you didn't have to lie for it. And just so you know many able-bodied men were taken as hostages too. Several of them were soldiers.
Fam you can't be serious.
It's on video man. They ran up in neighborhoods and shot up everything in sight.
Listen, there is no arguing the plight of the Palestinian people. There is no arguing that this plight is what led groups like Hamas doing what they do.
But let's not play blind just because we understand and sympathize with it.
Hamas targeted civilians. Nothing else. You cannot name me a single government building they attacked on that day. How else do you think they ended up with 80 year old grandmas as hostages? Come on man.
From 2021:
The Israel-Palestine conflict has claimed 14,000 lives since 1987
Despite the latest fighting in Gaza, the endless occupation is tolerable to many Israelis
May 18th 2021
EIGHT DAYS have passed since the simmering conflict between Israelis and Palestinians boiled over once more. According to data from OCHA, a UN organisation, by May 17th it had claimed the lives of 230 people—mostly Palestinians but also nine Israelis and one Indian. The deaths of two Thai factory workers in Israel was announced on May 18th.
The spark for the latest fighting came in Jerusalem, after Palestinians in the city objected to the erection of metal barriers near the Damascus gate of the old walled city—the main thoroughfare to the al-Aqsa mosque, the third holiest place in Islam—during the month of Ramadan. As unrest escalated in Jerusalem, Hamas—a militant Islamist organisation that runs the impoverished enclave of Gaza—began to fire rockets into Israeli territory. Israel’s armed forces responded by bombarding Gaza. The fighting is reminiscent of three previous rounds of war. One difference this time is that violence has spread to Arabs and Jews in Israel’s mixed cities.
America has repeatedly vetoed UN Security Council statements on the fighting, but on May 17th, in a call with the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, President Joe Biden expressed support for a ceasefire. America is working with Egypt and other regional partners to secure one. It cannot come soon enough. The Palestinian dead include 96 women and children. With the exception of one soldier, all of the Israeli dead are civilians, too.
The victims in this latest bout join a tragic toll from the decades-old conflict. According to data gathered by B’Tselem, an Israeli human-rights organisation, between December 9th 1987 and April 30th 2021, the conflict claimed 13,969 lives. Fully 87% of the dead were Palestinian. The recent violence brings the total to over 14,000.
The bloodshed has come in different phases. The first Palestinian intifada, or “shaking off” of 1987 was a shock to Israel at the time and was the backdrop for the Oslo peace accords of 1994. They pointed the way to a two-state solution: the creation of a Palestinian state in territories occupied by Israel in 1967. But instead of peace came more violence. Extremists on both sides sought to destroy the compromise; Hamas and another radical faction, Islamic Jihad, in particular, embarked on a campaign of suicide-bombings; Israel responded with harsher security measures, including ever greater restrictions on the Gaza Strip.
The failure of the Camp David talks in 2000 sparked the second, and far more violent intifada, which shifted from stone-throwing to the use of weapons, not least by the Palestinian Authority established under the Oslo accords, and more suicide-bombings. It prompted Israel to build a security barrier in the West Bank and to withdraw from Gaza in 2005. And since Hamas seized power in the enclave, there have been repeated rounds of fighting—the deadliest of which erupted in 2014.
Settlement-building on occupied land has continued relentlessly. Latterly, though, the intensity of the conflict has diminished. The data from B’Tselem show that in the 15 years between the second intifada, which began in September 2000, and the end of the second Gaza war in August 2014, 800 people died each year, on average. Since then, victims have numbered 175 a year. In the same period, Israeli deaths fell from 85 a year to 14.
Israel’s military might, its erection of security barriers and its deployment of anti-missile defences mean that, for most Israelis, most of the time, the conflict is out of sight and out of mind. Relations with Palestinians barely featured as an issue in the four elections Israel has held in the past two years. The international outcry over the plight of Palestinians is unlikely to change this mindset. The latest fighting may show how the unjust treatment of the Palestinians stores up trouble. But even now, the endless occupation seems tolerable to many Israelis who have lost faith in peace.
And she immediately proved her point with the next question.
