DeSantis Doubles down and says Some Blacks Benefited from Slavery. BOTH FUCKING SIDES!!!!

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I was going to do this later, and I've said most of this elsewhere in the past, but now lets go over non voting as a strategy vs a wing and a prayer, and why just general not voting would not be effective. Also keep in mind, voting is not the be all and end all of everything. There's not one single entity running all things, though the GOP tends to mimic the worst policies they can come up with every place they can. Each city and state has different laws and cultures. Voting dem doesn't mean everything is rosy. It doesn't mean everyone is 100% in agreement. You still have people within the party who are anti Black, anti woman, anti gay, anti immigrant, pro police over citizens. Not everyone is of one like mind or a hive. However, in general, dem policies will be more beneficial to black people and ALL Americans, than GOP policies. I can understand if people don't see voting dem as progress, but the important thing is that we don't lose any progress. You can still vote dem to keep the worst of the GOP at bay AND still organize or do black specific out reach/upliftment via third party/non government outlets.


Regarding non voting: For starters, even though black folks are second in the percentage of us who vote, above Hispanic and Asian and behind white folks, the PERCEPTION is that we don't vote. Obama years 2008 is the first year our voting number was on par with white folks and I think in 2012 we surpassed them percentage wise. Then it dropped again. So the rhetoric is that there is voter apathy or that you can't get black voters to come out on a consistent basis without a black candidate (Which BGOL don't vote crew says is pandering or white libs in blackface). Sitting out is seen as apathy, not punishment, and people will assume black folks are unreliable instead of strategic. So we may get courted, but most likely we just get written off and others sought to replace us as a reliable voting block. Secondly, it's what the GOP wants. Not voting helps white supremacy achieve their goals. They are passing laws to stop black folks from voting. Not Asians. Only Hispanics in the sense that they are using them as a boogeyman to say dems have illegals voting for them, but they are just collateral damage, not the primary target. Not voting helps racists achieve THEIR goals.

Not voting is not strategic. Voting for a third party who can't win is not strategic. Voting is currency. In order to get something, you have to spend/invest it in a candidate. It can't be banked to grow interest. Holding it does nothing but leave it for the moths to eat. To send a message, you don't SIT OUT, you spend your money elsewhere (cast your vote for another or back your own candidate.) Now don't get happy and say that is what you are suggesting, so I just agreed with you. The problem is, the non voting/third party voting as strategy advocates aren't following the concept fully or at the right times.

We are past the days when sane republicans existed, so WHEN you do this matters, so as not to concede power to the GOP. The Tea Party gave us the blue print for this years ago, and they still have members in congress making headaches for the GOP and the rest of us under the name of the Freedom Caucus, but we aren't as engaged/committed or organized as they are. When they had a candidate that they wanted to put pressure on, they gave them notice. (Giving notice is telling the candidate directly, not fussing and moaning on twitter and other social media.) Then if they didn't comply with whatever demand they had, the Tea Party primaried them with their own candidate to make them work for it, BUT IF THEIR CANDIDATE LOST, THEY STILL VOTED FOR THE GOP CANDIDATE IN THE GENERAL. They didn't sit out or let a dem gain power. Many times they won and unseated the establishment candidate. AND THEY HAD THE GROUND GAME/ORGANIZATION/CONSENSUS OF OTHER VOTERS ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SO IT WASN'T AN EMPTY THREAT.

So vet the nominee, get their promises and commitments. Monitor for progress, keep the pressure on, and if they don't keep their commitments or show no evidence of trying to bring them to pass, then primary them and pull support. Set an example so the next candidate doesn't make the same mistake. But, if they win the primary anyway, vote for them to maintain dems in power and primary them again next cycle. We stop at the first step and then complain. It has to start EARLY and we have to get qualified candidates ready to primary EARLY. I've said before, candidates don't have to be our friends to work our agenda. They don't have to like us or we them. If they won't do the right thing because it is right, then they can be forced to do the right thing, because it is in their interest and benefits them to do so. (Keeping their job). You should know by the end of the first year whether or not someone is trying to keep their promises. Sitting out, especially midterms when all the racists vote, isn't the answer. That's how all the crazy candidates get elected.

Now the above scenario is how it would work, AS STRATEGY, in an ideal world. The REALITY is we don't PRESENTLY have the organization to pull this off to where the candidate is getting the message and able to notice and measure the effects (votes going for the other candidate in great numbers, having a candidate to primary them to begin with). So just telling people to sit out and not vote isn't going to have the intended effect that you want it to have. Ideally, we would also be able to get white voters or other PoC on board, as black folks are a subset of dem voters, and unless they are in an area with a significant black population, even an organized campaign of non voting or third party would not necessarily be NOTICED.

IF IT'S NOT NOTICED, RECOGNIZED BY OTHERS/THE INTENDED TARGET AS STRATEGY IN AN ORGANIZED EFFORT, AND MEASURABLE, IT WON'T HAVE THE INTENDED EFFECT.



Furthermore, everyone wants to complain about what other groups get, but we don't act and organize like other groups. Other groups court both dems and GOP. THEY GIVE MONEY to candidates and superpacs. They apply pressure year round, not only during campaign season. They have publicized scorecards for how they vote on their issues. They write letters to candidates and show up at town halls. They lobby year round. But they don't give up voting because that gives up power. Voting is just a step in the process, not the only step or action taken. I've shared before that I was looking for a black superpac and couldn't find one to give to. I found one mention of one and couldn't figure out how to donate. The closest thing to one is color of change, but they aren't really a superpac and deal with various issues. Someone gave me black Americas political action comittee, but that is for black conservatives. bampac.org.

In the current political atmosphere, we don't have the luxury of sitting out like we did before. With the gutting of the voting rights act, when the GOP gets in power, they craft and execute ways to diminish our vote, gerrymander areas, and will pay little to no penalty for it. If we sit out and the GOP gains control, by the time people decide to get back in the game, then they have to have 3-4x the dem vote to equal the political power of 1x the GOP vote. We saw this with Obama and the midterms. Dems lost and it took until Trump to get a majority in congress again and that didn't last long. A DECADE of progress lost because (primarily white) dems sat out.

IN GA 50,000 majority black registrations were held by Kemp. If you mom named you De'Asia and someone entered the name as De Asia or DeAsia on some public record at some time, you were SOL, and the GOP SoS Kemp had carte blanche to do what he wanted. All the legal actions came too late. HOWEVER, had we voted dem and kept power in states instead of losing governorship's, then our vote wouldn't be diluted or suppressed. Medicaid would be expanded. We wouldn't have had a lawsuit trying to end protections for preexisting conditions and the ACA. We'd have liberals on the Supreme Court so likely still have Roe vs Wade and affirmative action. We wouldn't have had the GOP doing like they did in Ohio exempting white areas from work requirements to get food stamps, while black area's even with higher unemployment rates, still had to be subject to them. Who is in power determines how much we get fucked over. If nothing else, letting them win is letting the racist rhetoric that Trump has popularized win and influence others because they see there are no consequences for it. Why help white supremacy spread? DeSantis is following his racist playbook and trying to expand it, because it worked for Trump. Why shouldn't other white folks be emboldened to do exactly what he did?

Alabama was ordered to redo their maps and they said eff the SCOTUS.



It's being reported that this is planned to get the case back to the SCOTUS to further erode black rights, and we have three justices appointed by Trump instead of Hillary because the no vote/third party votes couldn't discern the danger Trump posed and failed to heed the warnings of those who did.




White folks are playing the long game, actually crafting and passing shady legislation designed to make it to the SCOTUS to erode our rights, pass their agenda, and keep their power consolidated, yet we have folks who just want to punish dems because they aren't moving fast enough on reparations or some ONLY black agenda, when they can't even get main stream agendas like voting rights passed, which would help save their own jobs because THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES. Also I'm in a red state, but I'm in the midwest. The don't vote message is probably only going to resonate with black folks in safe blue areas or with people who don't understand how government works. If you get a chance, check out this space, at least the five minutes from about the 58 min mark until Nikki Barnes finishes speaking around 1:03. She lit a user named Koala Masala up.



It's not about a white savior. I vote partly to keep the GOP out of my business and so we don't have a party in power actively putting obstacles in front of black folks. Many don't vote advocates are making a conflict where there doesn't have to be one. Why are the don't vote crew so investing in what someone ELSE has to physically do? Many don't believe in supporting dems or the GOP, but they can't stay out of political threads or stop shitting on dems to save their own lives. If you think all the parties are trash and work needs to be done without them, what is stopping the work from still getting done? Work as though they don't exist. It doesn't have to be either/or, it can be both/and. Black folks have always worked outside the system as it sought to change and influence the existing one. No one is stopping you or anyone else. Why waste time focusing on stopping people from voting?They can vote and still seek solutions that don't involve government entities. Voting is one or two days out of a year. There are still over 360 days for other actions. What plans and actionable steps are you taking during the rest of the year? Check out Sandy Darity's twitter page to see people taking actual steps toward reparations. https://twitter.com/SandyDarity


@sammyjax seriously listen to that same five minutes if not the entire space. I'm convinced some of the speakers were BGOL members. :colin: :colin::colin::colin::colin:.

Please make your talking points down to two or three paragraphs. thanks
 
Please make your talking points down to two or three paragraphs. thanks
Sorry, but no.

If folks around here could grasp direct concepts in short paragraphs or bullet points, that long post wouldn't have been required in the first place.
 
Okay so I know I said I was done, but you said: "No. Black people need to get together to plan, execute, and combine our thoughts so we can have leverage." You have done nothing but disagree with the majority of everybody in this thread. ANY plan that people came up with, it wasn't like yours so you not only shytted on the plan, but the person as well. So coming together, planning and combining thoughts are impossible with you. Is my plan the say all and be all? Of course not! But I can admit a better plan when presented and follow that plan. I at least have a credible plan that works in todays society. You just have slogans: 'white daddy isn't gonna help you', 'break free from the chains'. You say you said it, but still have yet to say it. But I got your ass to admit you haven't a clue of what to do.
Bruh, you aint trying to leave the Dem plantation. I'm not going to answer to disingenious questions meant to poke holes so you can run back to master. You aren't even considering leaving your white daddy. My plan is for people that actually want black people to succeed as a whole. You want to waste your vote. I do know what to do but I'm not going to say more to people that have no intention of ever leaving. Go support trannies and get nothing for your vote. Don't bother me. Be the bitch for the white man and I will fight on my own.
 
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Yes, you proved my point. you want a savior and the black man has to have everything perfect to be right while you suck the white man dry and not get shit. definition of a sambo house nigga
 
Sorry, but no.

If folks around here could grasp direct concepts in short paragraphs or bullet points, that long post wouldn't have been required in the first place.
nope. anything can be reduced to a few paragraphs, especially your basic points. any book can be limited to that as well. Stop ranting and give me the bullet points.
 
Finally. Admission that you don't have a plan just a general idea of what you think will work. It took several pages, and I'm sure it wasn't on purpose, but thank God we finally got here.
Nope. I have a plan. I don't have every detail. A complete misrepresentation so that you don't have to consider it. You dem cowards look for anything to continue sucking off the white man with your house mentality.

What day will it happen on? You don't know! AHA! See, he doesn't have a plan! Let's go back to master so he can shit on our hands and not give us shit.
 
They do spaces all the time, but I don't have 3-5 hours to listen to them on a regular basis. Nikki has one going now but its not being recorded.


All these folks usually do regular political spaces. Follow them so you get the notices with trending topics. You will hear a lot of good speakers who end up being good follows also.

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Chris. (Trigger warning: He's gay)


Uncle Luke

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Appreciate it!
 
Nope. I have a plan. I don't have every detail. A complete misrepresentation so that you don't have to consider it. You dem cowards look for anything to continue sucking off the white man with your house mentality.

What day will it happen on? You don't know! AHA! See, he doesn't have a plan! Let's go back to master so he can shit on our hands and not give us shit.

I have considered it. If you'd read the post you've asked me to shorten, you'd realize that.

I explain why, IMO, not voting doesn't work. What strategic voting looks like. How and why it works. When it should be applied. What happened when we sat out in the past and the consequences of it. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think. Or even read it. So do or don't, but you can't say you were never told and you can't credibly keep promoting non voting as a strategy when it has been spelled out IN DETAIL why it is not a sensible strategy and why it fails to serve us or meet your stated goals.
 
Sorry, but no.

If folks around here could grasp direct concepts in short paragraphs or bullet points, that long post wouldn't have been required in the first place.
All of that was theory and not based in any fact. You declared voting is not a strategy but it is and has worked in the past. Leverage is needed to get what you want. Holding out is a strategy that has worked out throughout history. You saying otherwise is a complete lie.

You mentioned a bunch of things that had no relevance to the argument.

On the flip side, your strategy of just voting with blind hope has proven to be a disaster. Black wealth is near an all time low, the respect for our community is at an all time low, and blacks are voting for things they are conservatively against because they are locked in a party that does nothing for them. With women in our community that have evaded marriage and raised kids on their own and not respect their men, their children are subjugated to thinking like females, following a party and believing in a white savior, and continuing to degrade black respect in all regards. The black community as a whole is not taken seriously at all because they are reduced to cowardly men and women that seek validation from whites.
 
Let me ask you this sista, are you married to a black man that thinks like you?
I'm not married or currently dating. No children. Not gay, bi or bi curious. I came from a two parent household, my parents were married for 52 years before my dad passed. The only stereotype I meet is I'm a big gurl. Any other boxes you want to put me in?
 
Biden's approval rating is one of the lowest since Jimmy Carter. What are we going to do with a majority run Repub congress on your plan, laz?

The shit is going to happen regardless. Now is the time to get something out of it.
 
I'm not married or currently dating. No children. Not gay, bi or bi curious. I came from a two parent household, my parents were married for 52 years before my dad passed. The only stereotype I meet is I'm a big gurl. Any other boxes you want to put me in?
Yes, why didn't you do your part and get married like your parents and build a black family you claim you are in support of? Seems like you have a lot of passion for keeping a white man in power more so than building a black family to sustain on their own.
 
Yes, why didn't you do your part and get married like your parents and build a black family you claim you are in support of? Seems like you have a lot of passion for keeping a white man in power more so than building a black family to sustain on their own.

I have pcos. My doc told me when I was 14 if I wanted to have kids I would need to do so by the time I was 25 with the aid of fertility pills. I was neither married or financially able to support a child at age 25, and I believe in traditional families so I wasn't going to do the single mother route. At my age now, it doesn't matter.

Dems are not just white men, they are diverse and pro family and therefore pro black family.

They support a living wage to be able to afford a family so you don't have to work 4 jobs and never see them to raise them.

They want affordable healthcare so you can afford to have the child and have quality medical care to care for them.

They want you to have paid family leave so you can tend to them if a crisis should arise.

They want you to have workplace protections so women can return to work after giving birth and affordable childcare so your child is watched in a safe environment while you work.

They want women to have affordable contraceptives so they can decide when to start their family

The want quality public schools and affordable college so people can have a better education leading to better jobs leading to more pay to support the family.
They want you to have a safety net such as unemployment to be able to support your family in the event of a job loss.

They want people who have worked hard all their lives to have a safety net with medicare, medicaid, social security so they can live their last days with dignity.

Most dem policies support the family while GOP polices do the opposite. So voting dem is voting to benefit black folk and black families.
 
Bruh, you aint trying to leave the Dem plantation. I'm not going to answer to disingenious questions meant to poke holes so you can run back to master. You aren't even considering leaving your white daddy. My plan is for people that actually want black people to succeed as a whole. You want to waste your vote. I do know what to do but I'm not going to say more to people that have no intention of ever leaving. Go support trannies and get nothing for your vote. Don't bother me. Be the bitch for the white man and I will fight on my own.
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I have pcos. My doc told me when I was 14 if I wanted to have kids I would need to do so by the time I was 25 with the aid of fertility pills. I was neither married or financially able to support a child at age 25, and I believe in traditional families so I wasn't going to do the single mother route. At my age now, it doesn't matter.

Dems are not just white men, they are diverse and pro family and therefore pro black family.

They support a living wage to be able to afford a family so you don't have to work 4 jobs and never see them to raise them.
They want affordable healthcare so you can afford to have the child and have quality medical care to care for them.
They want you to have paid family leave so you can tend to them if a crisis should arise.
They want you to have workplace protections so women can return to work after giving birth and affordable childcare so your child is watched in a safe environment while you work.
They want women to have affordable contraceptives so they can decide when to start their family
The want quality public schools and affordable college so people can have a better education leading to better jobs leading to more pay to support the family.
They want you to have a safety net such as unemployment to be able to support your family in the event of a job loss.
They want people who have worked hard all their lives to have a safety net with medicare, medicaid, social security so they can live their last days with dignity.

Most dem policies support the family while GOP polices do the opposite. So voting dem is voting to benefit black folk and black families.
you said all the nice things without mentioning all the things they also support which is in not alignment with black values. LOL

are you going to adopt?
 
That's what I kept asking. If we aren't in office, how do you get your demands met? *crickets*

If I read that right, he's saying we will get something out of it NOW, before the GOP is on charge of everything. We don't have the votes now, definitely won't if they hold POTUS and both chambers.

They think dems will lose and kiss ass to get back in power, but things don't stay constant. If there is a vacuum left by back voters sitting out, someone else takes our spot. No one is holding our seat at the table. The GOP will make it harder for for dems to get power and usually the first priority when dems are back in charge is fixing what the GOP has broken. By the time they get momentum, dems are antsy again and let the GOP win and roll us back.

Roe has women and young folks fired up, so I'm hoping the cycle breaks and dems pick-up seats.
 
That's what I kept asking. If we aren't in office, how do you get your demands met? *crickets*
you think you're going to win this election? LMAO. You are losing anyway.

Let's say you lose and you went out and vote, what power do you have?

What's the smart play? Continue to vote and not get anything? I want to know if this is your genius plan. Wait another 4 and one day, miraculously, the white man will see the error in his ways and do things for us!

That's not how power works for any other minority group.
 
you said all the nice things without mentioning all the things they also support which is in not alignment with black values. LOL

are you going to adopt?


What things are not in alignment that affect me or you?

No, I'm not going to adopt. You keep looking for something personal as a pretext to reject me, and therefore my argument, instead of just addressing the points I've made.
 
What things are not in alignment that affect me or you?

No, I'm not going to adopt. You keep looking for something personal as a pretext to reject me, and therefore my argument, instead of just addressing the points I've made.
Because you are very passionate for a white man to stay in power and I think you view him as your savior instead of a man by your side to respect. The government is your father and husband in the interim.

I don't think selfishly when it comes to my vote. I think of my people as a whole because that is more important than my individualism. But this also proves my point on your thinking process.

Historically, blacks have never been aligned with any promotion of gay rights, marriage, trannies, competing in sports, men thinking they have periods, and they pronouns. You can look at Africa and see this. You have adopted the ways of your colonizer.

Historically, we don't promote our women to be independent with empowerment and running households. It ruins families, relationships, potential suitors, and women need to be the backbone of families, not on the frontline. Ever since the 70s, the black community has been separated, without strong leadership, and minimalized - all by design. When men were in charge, we had more black wealth.

Black wealth hasn't increased in 70 years. We are not pleased with the lack of progress.

We deserve reparations like all other groups. We get the can pushed down the street and not even agreement with said reparations, let alone a bill. They won't even verbally say it.

Black men see the obvious promotion of black women and safe negroes to not let strong leadership in key positions. They want the black community to be a matriarchy which ruins black families and relies on their assistance to survive with social programs.

We want white supremacy declared a national threat.

We want gun control and the WH has remained quiet but only saying we dont like gun violence.

Locally, our governor is doing way better than this president who uses black people for votes.
 
you think you're going to win this election? LMAO. You are losing anyway.

Let's say you lose and you went out and vote, what power do you have?

What's the smart play? Continue to vote and not get anything? I want to know if this is your genius plan. Wait another 4 and one day, miraculously, the white man will see the error in his ways and do things for us!

That's not how power works for any other minority group.

I've gotten what I wanted for my vote. And I've already said mutiple times on here that Dem policies got me to where I am now.

So yea, they got my vote.
 
I've gotten what I wanted for my vote. And I've already said mutiple times on here that Dem policies got me to where I am now.

So yea, they got my vote.
so you like the direction of the black community is going and you like their focus on gay issues instead of black issues.

your response focuses on you and not the community as a whole. there is the problem right there and why we will never progress.
 
Because you are very passionate for a white man to stay in power and I think you view him as your savior instead of a man by your side to respect. The government is your father and husband in the interim.

I don't think selfishly when it comes to my vote. I think of my people as a whole because that is more important than my individualism. But this also proves my point on your thinking process.

Historically, blacks have never been aligned with any promotion of gay rights, marriage, trannies, competing in sports, men thinking they have periods, and they pronouns. You can look at Africa and see this. You have adopted the ways of your colonizer.

Historically, we don't promote our women to be independent with empowerment and running households. It ruins families, relationships, potential suitors, and women need to be the backbone of families, not on the frontline. Ever since the 70s, the black community has been separated, without strong leadership, and minimalized - all by design. When men were in charge, we had more black wealth.

Black wealth hasn't increased in 70 years. We are not pleased with the lack of progress.

We deserve reparations like all other groups. We get the can pushed down the street and not even agreement with said reparations, let alone a bill. They won't even verbally say it.

Black men see the obvious promotion of black women and safe negroes to not let strong leadership in key positions. They want the black community to be a matriarchy which ruins black families and relies on their assistance to survive with social programs.

We want white supremacy declared a national threat.

We want gun control and the WH has remained quiet but only saying we dont like gun violence.

Locally, our governor is doing way better than this president who uses black people for votes.

LMAO. Now I get the reasons for the questions. I don't have kids and have never been on welfare, but the government being my provider and protector is still the psychological nonsense you are trying to project on me? :lol: I had a father and five brothers. There was no lack of male leadership in my life growing up or now. I knew you were trying to stereotype me in to some box, I never imagined it would be something so ridiculous. Lol. Freaking hilarious.

Someone elsewhere recently pointed out that folks do not get much on welfare. No sane woman is going to put a man with an income out the house for benefits a fraction of his pay. So what were black men doing or not doing or providing to be able to be "replaced", if one even holds with that.

I'll deal with the rest of this nonsense tomorrow.
 
COLIN SITCHOAZZ DOWN. That applies twice for you @Dr. Truth

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I was going to do this later, and I've said most of this elsewhere in the past, but now lets go over non voting as a strategy vs a wing and a prayer, and why just general not voting would not be effective. Also keep in mind, voting is not the be all and end all of everything. There's not one single entity running all things, though the GOP tends to mimic the worst policies they can come up with every place they can. Each city and state has different laws and cultures. Voting dem doesn't mean everything is rosy. It doesn't mean everyone is 100% in agreement. You still have people within the party who are anti Black, anti woman, anti gay, anti immigrant, pro police over citizens. Not everyone is of one like mind or a hive. However, in general, dem policies will be more beneficial to black people and ALL Americans, than GOP policies. I can understand if people don't see voting dem as progress, but the important thing is that we don't lose any progress. You can still vote dem to keep the worst of the GOP at bay AND still organize or do black specific out reach/upliftment via third party/non government outlets.


Regarding non voting: For starters, even though black folks are second in the percentage of us who vote, above Hispanic and Asian and behind white folks, the PERCEPTION is that we don't vote. Obama years 2008 is the first year our voting number was on par with white folks and I think in 2012 we surpassed them percentage wise. Then it dropped again. So the rhetoric is that there is voter apathy or that you can't get black voters to come out on a consistent basis without a black candidate (Which BGOL don't vote crew says is pandering or white libs in blackface). Sitting out is seen as apathy, not punishment, and people will assume black folks are unreliable instead of strategic. So we may get courted, but most likely we just get written off and others sought to replace us as a reliable voting block. Secondly, it's what the GOP wants. Not voting helps white supremacy achieve their goals. They are passing laws to stop black folks from voting. Not Asians. Only Hispanics in the sense that they are using them as a boogeyman to say dems have illegals voting for them, but they are just collateral damage, not the primary target. Not voting helps racists achieve THEIR goals.

Not voting is not strategic. Voting for a third party who can't win is not strategic. Voting is currency. In order to get something, you have to spend/invest it in a candidate. It can't be banked to grow interest. Holding it does nothing but leave it for the moths to eat. To send a message, you don't SIT OUT, you spend your money elsewhere (cast your vote for another or back your own candidate.) Now don't get happy and say that is what you are suggesting, so I just agreed with you. The problem is, the non voting/third party voting as strategy advocates aren't following the concept fully or at the right times.

We are past the days when sane republicans existed, so WHEN you do this matters, so as not to concede power to the GOP. The Tea Party gave us the blue print for this years ago, and they still have members in congress making headaches for the GOP and the rest of us under the name of the Freedom Caucus, but we aren't as engaged/committed or organized as they are. When they had a candidate that they wanted to put pressure on, they gave them notice. (Giving notice is telling the candidate directly, not fussing and moaning on twitter and other social media.) Then if they didn't comply with whatever demand they had, the Tea Party primaried them with their own candidate to make them work for it, BUT IF THEIR CANDIDATE LOST, THEY STILL VOTED FOR THE GOP CANDIDATE IN THE GENERAL. They didn't sit out or let a dem gain power. Many times they won and unseated the establishment candidate. AND THEY HAD THE GROUND GAME/ORGANIZATION/CONSENSUS OF OTHER VOTERS ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SO IT WASN'T AN EMPTY THREAT.

So vet the nominee, get their promises and commitments. Monitor for progress, keep the pressure on, and if they don't keep their commitments or show no evidence of trying to bring them to pass, then primary them and pull support. Set an example so the next candidate doesn't make the same mistake. But, if they win the primary anyway, vote for them to maintain dems in power and primary them again next cycle. We stop at the first step and then complain. It has to start EARLY and we have to get qualified candidates ready to primary EARLY. I've said before, candidates don't have to be our friends to work our agenda. They don't have to like us or we them. If they won't do the right thing because it is right, then they can be forced to do the right thing, because it is in their interest and benefits them to do so. (Keeping their job). You should know by the end of the first year whether or not someone is trying to keep their promises. Sitting out, especially midterms when all the racists vote, isn't the answer. That's how all the crazy candidates get elected.

Now the above scenario is how it would work, AS STRATEGY, in an ideal world. The REALITY is we don't PRESENTLY have the organization to pull this off to where the candidate is getting the message and able to notice and measure the effects (votes going for the other candidate in great numbers, having a candidate to primary them to begin with). So just telling people to sit out and not vote isn't going to have the intended effect that you want it to have. Ideally, we would also be able to get white voters or other PoC on board, as black folks are a subset of dem voters, and unless they are in an area with a significant black population, even an organized campaign of non voting or third party would not necessarily be NOTICED.

IF IT'S NOT NOTICED, RECOGNIZED BY OTHERS/THE INTENDED TARGET AS STRATEGY IN AN ORGANIZED EFFORT, AND MEASURABLE, IT WON'T HAVE THE INTENDED EFFECT.



Furthermore, everyone wants to complain about what other groups get, but we don't act and organize like other groups. Other groups court both dems and GOP. THEY GIVE MONEY to candidates and superpacs. They apply pressure year round, not only during campaign season. They have publicized scorecards for how they vote on their issues. They write letters to candidates and show up at town halls. They lobby year round. But they don't give up voting because that gives up power. Voting is just a step in the process, not the only step or action taken. I've shared before that I was looking for a black superpac and couldn't find one to give to. I found one mention of one and couldn't figure out how to donate. The closest thing to one is color of change, but they aren't really a superpac and deal with various issues. Someone gave me black Americas political action comittee, but that is for black conservatives. bampac.org.

In the current political atmosphere, we don't have the luxury of sitting out like we did before. With the gutting of the voting rights act, when the GOP gets in power, they craft and execute ways to diminish our vote, gerrymander areas, and will pay little to no penalty for it. If we sit out and the GOP gains control, by the time people decide to get back in the game, then they have to have 3-4x the dem vote to equal the political power of 1x the GOP vote. We saw this with Obama and the midterms. Dems lost and it took until Trump to get a majority in congress again and that didn't last long. A DECADE of progress lost because (primarily white) dems sat out.

IN GA 50,000 majority black registrations were held by Kemp. If you mom named you De'Asia and someone entered the name as De Asia or DeAsia on some public record at some time, you were SOL, and the GOP SoS Kemp had carte blanche to do what he wanted. All the legal actions came too late. HOWEVER, had we voted dem and kept power in states instead of losing governorship's, then our vote wouldn't be diluted or suppressed. Medicaid would be expanded. We wouldn't have had a lawsuit trying to end protections for preexisting conditions and the ACA. We'd have liberals on the Supreme Court so likely still have Roe vs Wade and affirmative action. We wouldn't have had the GOP doing like they did in Ohio exempting white areas from work requirements to get food stamps, while black area's even with higher unemployment rates, still had to be subject to them. Who is in power determines how much we get fucked over. If nothing else, letting them win is letting the racist rhetoric that Trump has popularized win and influence others because they see there are no consequences for it. Why help white supremacy spread? DeSantis is following his racist playbook and trying to expand it, because it worked for Trump. Why shouldn't other white folks be emboldened to do exactly what he did?

Alabama was ordered to redo their maps and they said eff the SCOTUS.



It's being reported that this is planned to get the case back to the SCOTUS to further erode black rights, and we have three justices appointed by Trump instead of Hillary because the no vote/third party votes couldn't discern the danger Trump posed and failed to heed the warnings of those who did.




White folks are playing the long game, actually crafting and passing shady legislation designed to make it to the SCOTUS to erode our rights, pass their agenda, and keep their power consolidated, yet we have folks who just want to punish dems because they aren't moving fast enough on reparations or some ONLY black agenda, when they can't even get main stream agendas like voting rights passed, which would help save their own jobs because THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES. Also I'm in a red state, but I'm in the midwest. The don't vote message is probably only going to resonate with black folks in safe blue areas or with people who don't understand how government works. If you get a chance, check out this space, at least the five minutes from about the 58 min mark until Nikki Barnes finishes speaking around 1:03. She lit a user named Koala Masala up.



It's not about a white savior. I vote partly to keep the GOP out of my business and so we don't have a party in power actively putting obstacles in front of black folks. Many don't vote advocates are making a conflict where there doesn't have to be one. Why are the don't vote crew so investing in what someone ELSE has to physically do? Many don't believe in supporting dems or the GOP, but they can't stay out of political threads or stop shitting on dems to save their own lives. If you think all the parties are trash and work needs to be done without them, what is stopping the work from still getting done? Work as though they don't exist. It doesn't have to be either/or, it can be both/and. Black folks have always worked outside the system as it sought to change and influence the existing one. No one is stopping you or anyone else. Why waste time focusing on stopping people from voting?They can vote and still seek solutions that don't involve government entities. Voting is one or two days out of a year. There are still over 360 days for other actions. What plans and actionable steps are you taking during the rest of the year? Check out Sandy Darity's twitter page to see people taking actual steps toward reparations. https://twitter.com/SandyDarity


@sammyjax seriously listen to that same five minutes if not the entire space. I'm convinced some of the speakers were BGOL members. :colin: :colin::colin::colin::colin:.

Yeah she dug in old girl ass. And true to form, she wasn't tryna hear it. Rigid stupidity is such an ill ass modern phenomenon.

Very well stated points too Camille.
 
I can at least take solace in the fact that when you get down to it there aren't very many of these idiots in the grand scheme of things and, by the numbers, they don't really move shit that much.

It's wild to watch in action though.
 
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so you like the direction of the black community is going and you like their focus on gay issues instead of black issues.

your response focuses on you and not the community as a whole. there is the problem right there and why we will never progress.

My business put many black folks in my community through school, paid rents, put food on the table, put young black folks in leadership positions.

What have you done that's equal to that?
 
LMAO. Now I get the reasons for the questions. I don't have kids and have never been on welfare, but the government being my provider and protector is still the psychological nonsense you are trying to project on me? :lol: I had a father and five brothers. There was no lack of male leadership in my life growing up or now. I knew you were trying to stereotype me in to some box, I never imagined it would be something so ridiculous. Lol. Freaking hilarious.

Someone elsewhere recently pointed out that folks do not get much on welfare. No sane woman is going to put a man with an income out the house for benefits a fraction of his pay. So what were black men doing or not doing or providing to be able to be "replaced", if one even holds with that.

I'll deal with the rest of this nonsense tomorrow.
Never did I mention you were on welfare. That is your own insecurities speaking on your behalf. I never said that the government takes care of you financially. It's much deeper than that. Your father and five brothers don't lay in bed with you. A woman without a husband seeks instruction from her job or her government. That is why so many women follow orders from their political party and boss, and don't respect their men at home.

Do you like Joe Biden?
 
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If you run into an asshole during your day, you met one asshole.

If you run into 8 assholes during your day, you're the asshole.
sounds like a gay prophet told you that after a tryst and nose tickling each other.
 
My business put many black folks in my community through school, paid rents, put food on the table, put young black folks in leadership positions.

What have you done that's equal to that?
You put blacks in debt so they can be worker bees, didn't teach them to make money to pay their rent and food but made them spoiled by doing it for them, and putting them in leadership positions that do nothing for the black community as a whole. These positions - who owns them? Let me guess - white men, putting more money in their pockets.

This your accomplishments?
 
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